Keratin Treatment Support Thread

belle_reveuse28 said:
Regarding the issue Steph is having, I was thinking... I had been concerned before about getting this treatment because my hair does not like protein in products. It gets very brittle and snaps quite easily, and so as a natural, it is of dire importance that I have the proper protein moisture balance, with moisture always being my real concern.

I see how this treatment works, and those who may be protein sensitive may do well with this. But with that, I've also seen the suggestions that one should use conditioners and poos that have keratin to fill in the holes where the treatment wears off. Isn't that the same as using protein products, and if your hair is protein sensitive, wouldn't you therefore get protein overload.

In addition, I use ayurvedic regimen. Most of the powders are strengthening and so is henna. Basically, isn't this treatment subsituting the strengthening part of those powders? Seriously, how much strength does one need, and if the BKT makes the hair strong, then there you go, what else do you need? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I do know that the powders do have a stimulating effect as well to increase growth, and in that case, I would probably use the oil infusions rather than doing a rinse with the powder itself. When I use these powders, my hair feels so strong its ropey and feels like I could pull a truck with it. So I know for sure they really make the hair strong.

Hopefully, the BKT would substitute for all of those things in a way, but it seems to me that one could surely get protein/strengthening overload with using all of this in conjunction with a BKT. For some reason, I'd advise against it. I'd see how my hair did without the powders for awhile if BKT is what I'm going to do to my hair. I think the process itself and the application is sufficient in keeping the hair strong for a period of time, and therefore, would concentrate on maintaining moisture... So I believe this may be the reason why the hair is snapping and breaking all over the place...

What do you ladies think?
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I hear what you're saying. From researching everyone (and still I'm not a BKTER yet), it seems that that answer varies as much as products for each person. As our hair is different and varies from other members, we have to find what works for us.

I know for me IF I do BKT I won't be getting keratin shampoos...I'll be using MOISTURIZING. But that's because my hair is protein sensitive. I would not use indian powders or anything like that with it, but that's just me. I wouldn't have any extra "strengthening". If I had one extra, like henna for instance (which I wouldn't but for arguments sake), I would be a dc queen! Just my thoughts.

So I think that we have to assess what's best for our hair as individuals. Those who thrive on protein might thrive on the whole additional keratin thing....in theory.

Either way we should all consider strand tests anyways if we have concerns like this.
 
belle_reveuse28 said:
Regarding the issue Steph is having, I was thinking... I had been concerned before about getting this treatment because my hair does not like protein in products. It gets very brittle and snaps quite easily, and so as a natural, it is of dire importance that I have the proper protein moisture balance, with moisture always being my real concern.

I see how this treatment works, and those who may be protein sensitive may do well with this. But with that, I've also seen the suggestions that one should use conditioners and poos that have keratin to fill in the holes where the treatment wears off. Isn't that the same as using protein products, and if your hair is protein sensitive, wouldn't you therefore get protein overload.

In addition, I use ayurvedic regimen. Most of the powders are strengthening and so is henna. Basically, isn't this treatment subsituting the strengthening part of those powders? Seriously, how much strength does one need, and if the BKT makes the hair strong, then there you go, what else do you need? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I do know that the powders do have a stimulating effect as well to increase growth, and in that case, I would probably use the oil infusions rather than doing a rinse with the powder itself. When I use these powders, my hair feels so strong its ropey and feels like I could pull a truck with it. So I know for sure they really make the hair strong.

Hopefully, the BKT would substitute for all of those things in a way, but it seems to me that one could surely get protein/strengthening overload with using all of this in conjunction with a BKT. For some reason, I'd advise against it. I'd see how my hair did without the powders for awhile if BKT is what I'm going to do to my hair. I think the process itself and the application is sufficient in keeping the hair strong for a period of time, and therefore, would concentrate on maintaining moisture... So I believe this may be the reason why the hair is snapping and breaking all over the place...

What do you ladies think?
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I tend to agree with the bolded.

I would use the infused oils on my scalp only for growth stimulation I am using essential oils on my scalp with no problems. I don't know enough about the BKT to recommend any ayurvedic powders for the hair itself. I am trying to figure out if I should henna or not to be honest. I'm leaning towards doing a strand test with a glossing before I do the entire henna. I am concerned about the henna and the BKT competing since they both bond to the keratin fibers of the hair. I'm going to have to sleep on this one for a while.

My hair is strong it has minimal breakage. I do seem to shed more when I wet comb, but they are long hairs not broken hairs so I'm working on manipulating less while wet. That just may be me getting used to wearing my hair out and washing often due to my workouts and being textlaxed.

I don't feel as though my hair is overly strong, like stiff like it can be after a strong protein treatment, but I know its strong because my ends are holding up very well after the treatment. I was concerned about them.

I would say for a person who is really into ayurveda and it's working for you to pass for a while on the BKT. There are too many unknowns in my opinion.
 
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belle_reveuse28 said:
Regarding the issue Steph is having, I was thinking... I had been concerned before about getting this treatment because my hair does not like protein in products. It gets very brittle and snaps quite easily, and so as a natural, it is of dire importance that I have the proper protein moisture balance, with moisture always being my real concern.

I see how this treatment works, and those who may be protein sensitive may do well with this. But with that, I've also seen the suggestions that one should use conditioners and poos that have keratin to fill in the holes where the treatment wears off. Isn't that the same as using protein products, and if your hair is protein sensitive, wouldn't you therefore get protein overload.

In addition, I use ayurvedic regimen. Most of the powders are strengthening and so is henna. Basically, isn't this treatment subsituting the strengthening part of those powders? Seriously, how much strength does one need, and if the BKT makes the hair strong, then there you go, what else do you need? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I do know that the powders do have a stimulating effect as well to increase growth, and in that case, I would probably use the oil infusions rather than doing a rinse with the powder itself. When I use these powders, my hair feels so strong its ropey and feels like I could pull a truck with it. So I know for sure they really make the hair strong.

Hopefully, the BKT would substitute for all of those things in a way, but it seems to me that one could surely get protein/strengthening overload with using all of this in conjunction with a BKT. For some reason, I'd advise against it. I'd see how my hair did without the powders for awhile if BKT is what I'm going to do to my hair. I think the process itself and the application is sufficient in keeping the hair strong for a period of time, and therefore, would concentrate on maintaining moisture... So I believe this may be the reason why the hair is snapping and breaking all over the place...

What do you ladies think?
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This is a very interesting take. I plan to implement keratin shampoos, but moisturizing conditioners and leave ins. But does anyone know what kind of flat iron Stepiphanie used and at what temp? I am wondering if that makes the diff too? TIA
 
Today I touched up my texlax and I used ACV during my neutralizing process. It made my hair really rough? I'm trying to figure out if it was reacting to the BKT. Has anyone had that experience?
 
Also, the point of doing a clarifying shampoo before BKT is to open up the cuticle. So would a baking soda rinse before BKT also improve the BKT results?
 
Reyna21 said:
This is a very interesting take. I plan to implement keratin shampoos, but moisturizing conditioners and leave ins. But does anyone know what kind of flat iron Stepiphanie used and at what temp? I am wondering if that makes the diff too? TIA
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Im not sure. It says the BKT protects the hair from heat and so 450 degrees is safe. If htat be true, then it must be the henna and stuff.. That'as what I'm guessing... When I use henna, or do ayurvedic rinses, even if the powders are moisturizing, they all lift my cuticle like crazy and I MUST deep condition after overnight, otherwise, my hair will be like wool and hard. That was people's main complaints with these products before they learned how to use them properly is people weren't deep conditioning after and their hair was triple hard and crisp. Many have complained that henna fries their hair. And so this stuff is strong, and then putting a heavy protein treatment on after all that, for me, that's a recipe for disaster...
 
Atlanta, what temps did you use when you flatironed your hair? I see that you got it really straight. My BKT will probably be here tomorrow, so I will do it tomorrow or Thursday..... Also, I see that you are going to use henna to get your grays colored after you stretch your BKT... I am using Jazzing semi-permanent in blueblack and it covers my hair really well, and no type of damage. It's not a henna, but I will use it to be on the safe side cause the whole henna thing and this BKT is quite a risky thing.. What do you think?

Also, for all of you ladies.. Let me run this idea past you..
I'm thinking that when I BKT my hair, I may not use that much heat, maybe at 400. My hair hates heat and yes, I am really afraid to use that much, but I will edge it up and see what happens. The thing is, how can you tell if its too hot for your hair? What I was thinking is I should use the heat at 400 and see how that does, do a few passes, like 5. Wait the 4 days and then go get a blowout at hte dominicans and a flat iron and let them get it even straighter. That way, I paid 35 for the BKT, 25 for the blowout, and still get my straightness... What do you think?
 
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belle_reveuse28 said:
Atlanta, what temps did you use when you flatironed your hair? I see that you got it really straight. My BKT will probably be here tomorrow, so I will do it tomorrow or Thursday..... Also, I see that you are going to use henna to get your grays colored after you stretch your BKT... I am using Jazzing semi-permanent in blueblack and it covers my hair really well, and no type of damage. It's not a henna, but I will use it to be on the safe side cause the whole henna thing and this BKT is quite a risky thing.. What do you think?

Also, for all of you ladies.. Let me run this idea past you..
I'm thinking that when I BKT my hair, I may not use that much heat, maybe at 400. My hair hates heat and yes, I am really afraid to use that much, but I will edge it up and see what happens. The thing is, how can you tell if its too hot for your hair? What I was thinking is I should use the heat at 400 and see how that does, do a few passes, like 5. Wait the 4 days and then go get a blowout at hte dominicans and a flat iron and let them get it even straighter. That way, I paid 35 for the BKT, 25 for the blowout, and still get my straightness... What do you think?
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You know...that heat thing is a tricky subject. All the stylists I talked to while doing my research insisted that I had to use 450, only one said he goes lower on bleached hair. I think it would be safe to start out at 400 and see if you can get the hair silky and shinny.

That's how I knew the treatment "took". There was a marked difference in the way my hair felt after I did the passes with the flat iron. It went from dull, rough and sticky feeing to light, silky and shinny looking. I think if you don't get that reaction, the BKT is not fully "taking".

Regarding henna, I want to be on the safe side. I'm starting to think henna it will be over kill if the application is not perfectly timed with the BKT treament. I have no idea what that timing is..BTW :confused:

I can do Sebastian's Cellophanes to cover my gray. FYI - Cellophanes have Sodium Chloride in the ingredients, but that's okay, I'll do it right before my next BKT treatment.

(I think I'm going to have a henna sale soon) :scratchch

I started off doing my BKT at 410. Then decided to try 450 and noticed that the hair got silky faster and my hair didn't fall out :lol: so kept doing on going at 450.
 
addaboutmyhair said:
Today I touched up my texlax and I used ACV during my neutralizing process. It made my hair really rough? I'm trying to figure out if it was reacting to the BKT. Has anyone had that experience?
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Hi addaboutmyhair,

I haven't done an ACV rinse since I did the treatment. Maybe some of the other ladies can shime in and answer your question.

I also don't know about the baking soda.

I hope that you were able o moisturize your hair and get it back soft.....
 
Im not sure. It says the BKT protects the hair from heat and so 450 degrees is safe. If htat be true, then it must be the henna and stuff.. That'as what I'm guessing... When I use henna, or do ayurvedic rinses, even if the powders are moisturizing, they all lift my cuticle like crazy and I MUST deep condition after overnight, otherwise, my hair will be like wool and hard. That was people's main complaints with these products before they learned how to use them properly is people weren't deep conditioning after and their hair was triple hard and crisp. Many have complained that henna fries their hair. And so this stuff is strong, and then putting a heavy protein treatment on after all that, for me, that's a recipe for disaster...[/quote]

Thanks for the response. Hmmm. I was about to do a henna for the color BUT like you said, maybe it's best to keep it simple!:yep:
 
Okay BTK'ers. The time has finally come for me to buy the BKT. The problem is that I can't decide whether to get softliss or QOD Strawberry (the gold may be out my financial range). Soooooo. I've read two Softliss reviews on LHCF, but that's all I could find. In fact I can hardly find ANY Softliss reviews anywhere. BUT the last I saw on Softliss news made it sound so scrumptious for the hair--fatty acids, humectants etc. Plus you don't have to wait 4 days, a bonus, but does anyone know why? Is it less potent?

On the other hand, theres the QOD. Many here seem to be using the gold, but WOW the price, even if over long term is more economical, for the moment that is just too much for me. So I was looking at the QOD Max strawberry.

I just want this to be a positive experience. I have had to regrow my hair so many times. I just want to be able to enjoy healthy hair! So what do you ladies think? I've got everything but the BKT. TIA!
 
ladies, I saw this ad on craigslist: Does it look legit. I saw that naturaltobe paid less than $100 in a salon for hers... Is this possible?


What is a Keratin Blow-Out Treatment? - If you want healthy hair this is the perfect solution for you. It has Keratin Conditioning Treament in it, (chemical FREE) which makes it one of the best ways to straighten your hair.

It is completly natural conditioning BLOW-Out.

You hair is wash with a protein base shampoo to infuse the hair cuticle and help nourish/rebuild healthy texture, then keratin conditioning Treatment is apply, coating the hairshaft to rebuild hair structure and stop breakage. After conditioning keratin green tea reconstructurizer is apply --- hair is then Blow dry straight and Style leaving it with instant body.

The reason why the Keratin Blow-OUT is a better option than ******* A Chemical Application********* is that it is COMPLETLY NATURAL*** CHEMICALS have the potential to harm the structure of your hair.
This Keratin works wonders on curly and wavy hair. How ever, there is no hassle about hair breakage because this product is *chemical free. It does not affect the internal construct of your hair. It only works on the cuticle and does not get into the cortex, thereby enabling great action by the keratin.
If you are still wondering whether to try the treatment or not, CALL US SO WE CAN ASISST YOU. $75.00
 
covergirl01 said:
ladies, I saw this ad on craigslist: Does it look legit. I saw that naturaltobe paid less than $100 in a salon for hers... Is this possible?


What is a Keratin Blow-Out Treatment? - If you want healthy hair this is the perfect solution for you. It has Keratin Conditioning Treament in it, (chemical FREE) which makes it one of the best ways to straighten your hair.

It is completly natural conditioning BLOW-Out.

You hair is wash with a protein base shampoo to infuse the hair cuticle and help nourish/rebuild healthy texture, then keratin conditioning Treatment is apply, coating the hairshaft to rebuild hair structure and stop breakage. After conditioning keratin green tea reconstructurizer is apply --- hair is then Blow dry straight and Style leaving it with instant body.

The reason why the Keratin Blow-OUT is a better option than ******* A Chemical Application********* is that it is COMPLETLY NATURAL*** CHEMICALS have the potential to harm the structure of your hair.
This Keratin works wonders on curly and wavy hair. How ever, there is no hassle about hair breakage because this product is *chemical free. It does not affect the internal construct of your hair. It only works on the cuticle and does not get into the cortex, thereby enabling great action by the keratin.
If you are still wondering whether to try the treatment or not, CALL US SO WE CAN ASISST YOU. $75.00
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Maybe some of the other ladies will chime in. I would call them and ask if it's the actual BKT? Orrrr if it's some derivative...
 
Ladies, I need help as well. I got my treatment in the mail today BUT I am going to be working out today and tomorrow, off for the weekend, and back again on Monday. I bought Original Keratin in Chocolate from Ebay. It says you have to wait 4 days and also not wash the hair or wet it. I do sweat really bad in my head. Should I wait then to apply it or would it be okay for me to workout. Is the sweat going to hurt this process? TIA
 
belle_reveuse28 said:
Ladies, I need help as well. I got my treatment in the mail today BUT I am going to be working out today and tomorrow, off for the weekend, and back again on Monday. I bought Original Keratin in Chocolate from Ebay. It says you have to wait 4 days and also not wash the hair or wet it. I do sweat really bad in my head. Should I wait then to apply it or would it be okay for me to workout. Is the sweat going to hurt this process? TIA
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No you should NOT workout during those first 4 days after the application. The sodium your body produces from sweating will ruin your BKT results. And all that work and flat ironing will be for nothing. Follow the directions!
 
PinkSkates said:
No you should NOT workout during those first 4 days after the application. The sodium your body produces from sweating will ruin your BKT results. And all that work and flat ironing will be for nothing. Follow the directions!
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Thanks so much, Pink! for puttin it to me like that. I sure got the message! LMAO!! Thanks sooo much!
 
belle_reveuse28 said:
Thanks so much, Pink! for puttin it to me like that. I sure got the message! LMAO!! Thanks sooo much!
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You're welcome chica!....girl I just had to give it to you straight...:grin: I would hate to see you go through all that work and have it stripped from your hair in one day. Good luck and let us know how it turns out!
 
Reyna21 said:
Okay BTK'ers. The time has finally come for me to buy the BKT. The problem is that I can't decide whether to get softliss or QOD Strawberry (the gold may be out my financial range). Soooooo. I've read two Softliss reviews on LHCF, but that's all I could find. In fact I can hardly find ANY Softliss reviews anywhere. BUT the last I saw on Softliss news made it sound so scrumptious for the hair--fatty acids, humectants etc. Plus you don't have to wait 4 days, a bonus, but does anyone know why? Is it less potent?

On the other hand, theres the QOD. Many here seem to be using the gold, but WOW the price, even if over long term is more economical, for the moment that is just too much for me. So I was looking at the QOD Max strawberry.

I just want this to be a positive experience. I have had to regrow my hair so many times. I just want to be able to enjoy healthy hair! So what do you ladies think? I've got everything but the BKT. TIA!
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Anyone??!!
 
Reyna21 said:
Anyone??!!
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Sorry, Reyna, I just don't know. I've only used Global and most folks on lhcf that have tried the bkt have only tried one kind; not several, ya know? I know several folks share your interest in Softliss. I say, if you're sure you want to try the bkt and you're just trying to choose; try the Softliss. If you don't love that particular brand, you can always switcheroo later.
 
Thank you Sheba! I had given up and went to take a nap with my daughter! I want to decide tonight so...You are right about most using only one kind. I guess I was hoping to hear from more Softliss users to see if they were happy with the results since you only leave it in for an hour as opposed to four days.
 
Couple of questions has anyone noticed increased shedding? I flat ironed yesterday after pretty much just leaving it clipped up for about 5 days and I had all this hair shed/ break (only a lfew very short pieces). Maybe like the size of a quarter tightly packed together. Is that normal to have all that hair coming out after 5 days of not combing or wearing down? Also what is everyone using for a leave in moisturizer?
 
Reyna21 said:
Thank you Sheba! I had given up and went to take a nap with my daughter! I want to decide tonight so...You are right about most using only one kind. I guess I was hoping to hear from more Softliss users to see if they were happy with the results since you only leave it in for an hour as opposed to four days.
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I saw some Softliss youtube vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neUY0AAopvE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHu3p9Gva8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSRzZMK1q4A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDFaoCfhANE

And these slide shows are from the softliss site:
http://cmd.shutterfly.com/commands/pictures/slideshow?site=softliss&page=softliss&album=23
http://cmd.shutterfly.com/commands/pictures/slideshow?site=softliss&page=softliss&album=78


girlyprincess23 said:
Couple of questions has anyone noticed increased shedding? I flat ironed yesterday after pretty much just leaving it clipped up for about 5 days and I had all this hair shed/ break (only a lfew very short pieces). Maybe like the size of a quarter tightly packed together. Is that normal to have all that hair coming out after 5 days of not combing or wearing down? Also what is everyone using for a leave in moisturizer?
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Oh no, Girlyprincess. No, I haven't had any increased shedding, at all. And breakage? Forget about it. You had more shedding than is normal? We shed an average of 50 to 100 hairs per day.
 
I'm back! The first video I'd seen but didn't realize it was the Softliss. The second wow. The others had me drooling. I hava a confession to make. Last night I ordered the strawberry Softliss. Now thanks to you Sheba, I have lots of videos to memorize, and maybe another tool to get--I like that brush that opens like a flat iron. I think I saw one like that at Walgreens or Sally's. Thanks again!
 
Reyna21 said:
I'm back! The first video I'd seen but didn't realize it was the Softliss. The second wow. The others had me drooling. I hava a confession to make. Last night I ordered the strawberry Softliss. Now thanks to you Sheba, I have lots of videos to memorize, and maybe another tool to get--I like that brush that opens like a flat iron. I think I saw one like that at Walgreens or Sally's. Thanks again!
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Good for you on your order, Reyna. Good luck to you :yep:
 
WAAH! I just checked my email and no response from paypal!! In my excitement and fatigue last nite I must not have clicked the final PAY button. AAAGGH! I just ordered again, but for real this time, paypal confirmation and all. Now I have to wait longer. Oh well, I guess it's a sign I should not race to do it, although I wanted to have it done in time for my job summer picnic. That's okay. I'll showcase at the club. More time to practice--ha ha
 
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