Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[Napp]

Does anyone know if nunaat has formaheldahyde ?

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Nunaat is formaldehyde free


I just couldn't wait to try out my new product so I gave myself a keratin treatment. I used cadiveu glamour plus. I took pics but since I was in a rush I didn't really take good ones. My hair is ever so slightly loosened and frizz free. I love the way it looks. Its like my natural optimized for manageability and its less bulky. My ends feel a bit dry though so I am in need of a trim.

I think since I was really light with the heat in the process I(only 340 degrees to seal it in) its why so much of my curl remained. I do have a feeling that if I raised the temp and did more passes I could get more of a dramatic result. I will be doing another one when my graduation rolls around. I plan on having perfect wash n go hair this summer!

 

[Napp]

update on the cadiveu. i like it but it seems a bit too weak for my hair. i want more dramatic results. the only downside to this product is the smell. It smells sweet in the bottle but once heat is applied my hair has this funny smell to it that i dont like. I will keep the product for cool BKT treatments and use something else.

I just purchased Saylon apple keratin treatment for a great price so im excited to use that when graduation rolls around. saylon is the salon version of Vitale's products and I loved those products when i was relaxed. i hope this BKT is the one! If not i will be going back to QOD. so far it worked the best in terms of silkening and loosening the hair. i will probably try the qod white version though.

 

[Napp]

here are my first impressions of the saylon keratin treatment in apple

I LOVE THIS STUFF.

it finally gives me what i want in a BKT: smooth silky shiny while straight and smooth and silky feeling frizz free curls after wetting. since it is a thick liquid it was very easy to apply. i only did a test section though.I am going to monitor how it does for the next few weeks.

The only sucky part is that although this formula is marketed as formaldehyde free it does contain an aldehyde. So when i do it to my full head i would have to take some precautions. This product was specifically made for silkening afro textured hair AND washing out of the hair in a few weeks time. it actually works well unlike so many of the amino acid smoothing systems ive tried.

 

[NOEChic]

here are my first impressions of the saylon keratin treatment in apple

I LOVE THIS STUFF.

it finally gives me what i want in a BKT: smooth silky shiny while straight and smooth and silky feeling frizz free curls after wetting. since it is a thick liquid it was very easy to apply. i only did a test section though.I am going to monitor how it does for the next few weeks.

The only sucky part is that although this formula is marketed as formaldehyde free it does contain an aldehyde. So when i do it to my full head i would have to take some precautions. This product was specifically made for silkening afro textured hair AND washing out of the hair in a few weeks time. it actually works well unlike so many of the amino acid smoothing systems ive tried.

where can this be purchased?

 

[sgold04]

I am thinking of getting a keratin treatment to add shine to my curls and reduce frizz, but I have a few concerns.
1. I use henna in my hair, can I still do a keratin treatment?
2. Some parts of my hair are heat damaged and are frizzy/wavy instead of curly, I am afraid it will straighten those parts completely, even when I want to wear it curly. Has anyone had a problem with this?
I am not really trying to change my curl pattern, I just want shiny, frizz free hair, with more defined curls (with less shrinkage, if thats possible), and I definitely don't want it to be permanent!!! Is Keratin right for me?

 

[sgold04]

Bump...........

 

[naturalmanenyc]

I tried the new Beautiful Textures Naturally Straight Textures Manageability System and it's basically a Keratin treatment with an altered chemical formulation. I wrote a review about it and filmed the application. I'm not sure why they are not being honest about the formulation but it smells, performs and feels like a keratin treatment. I've used a few brands and am all too familiar with how they work and I immediately realized TMS was yet another BKT product.

Details are on my blog here:
http://goingnaturaltransitioningtonaturalhair.com/beautiful-textures-texture-manageability-system/

video is here: http://youtu.be/JHFz0ZgoF7E

 

[Napp]

I am thinking of getting a keratin treatment to add shine to my curls and reduce frizz, but I have a few concerns.
1. I use henna in my hair, can I still do a keratin treatment?
2. Some parts of my hair are heat damaged and are frizzy/wavy instead of curly, I am afraid it will straighten those parts completely, even when I want to wear it curly. Has anyone had a problem with this?
I am not really trying to change my curl pattern, I just want shiny, frizz free hair, with more defined curls (with less shrinkage, if thats possible), and I definitely don't want it to be permanent!!! Is Keratin right for me?

Ceemarie82

I dont use or know much about henna so i cant help you there. BKT is usually safe for color treated hair but the color might lift once you seal the treatment in.

i also have some heat loosen strands from when i went to the salon. I am just leaving that area alone, i dont do many swipes of the flat iron (2-3 max) when i do bkt. so far all of the bkts i have done my hair reverted to its natural state after a while. an issue that can arise is that if you do too many bkt back to back(especially if it contains formaldehyde) your hair will get permanently straightened over time. so its best IMO if you do decide to go the BKT route wait for the bkt to wear off before getting another one(if you want to keep your curls)

I bkt for manageability but im pretty much fine with my curl pattern (except my edges!) I dont want my hair to end up straight over time. so i keep the control in my hands by doing the BKTs myself. I just love the results after a fresh bkt. your hair actually looks and feels like silk. its something that cant be captured in relaxed or texturized hair which is why i am one of the few BKT lovers on this board

hth

 

[Dove56]

Ceemarie82

I dont use or know much about henna so i cant help you there. BKT is usually safe for color treated hair but the color might lift once you seal the treatment in.

i also have some heat loosen strands from when i went to the salon. I am just leaving that area alone, i dont do many swipes of the flat iron (2-3 max) when i do bkt. so far all of the bkts i have done my hair reverted to its natural state after a while. an issue that can arise is that if you do too many bkt back to back(especially if it contains formaldehyde) your hair will get permanently straightened over time. so its best IMO if you do decide to go the BKT route wait for the bkt to wear off before getting another one(if you want to keep your curls)

I bkt for manageability but im pretty much fine with my curl pattern (except my edges!) I dont want my hair to end up straight over time. so i keep the control in my hands by doing the BKTs myself. I just love the results after a fresh bkt. your hair actually looks and feels like silk. its something that cant be captured in relaxed or texturized hair which is why i am one of the few BKT lovers on this board

hth

Napp I love them too. I have learned so much from your posts. When you do your treatments what temperature do you use? Also where can I order the Saylon?

 

[Dove56]

When you guys get your keratin treatment done---especially at the salon...do NOT let the stylist reapply it to hair that has already been treated.

I unfortunately was not aware of that--and now my hair is straight even after washing it. I've washed it at least 15 times since I've had the keratin done and my curl pattern is SLLLOOOWWWWLLLYY returning. erplexed

I had a stylist tell me to only apply the treatments to new growth to keep my curls.

 

[Dove56]

What's the longest everyone has had their keratin treatment? Have you noticed any breakage/thinning?

I've had mine since 2013 --- my hair has definitely grown but I have noticed thinning.

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I have done them since 2009. My hair really thrives with them and I have never had any damage. The treatments remove bulk but I have very, very thick hair so I dont complain lol.

 

[Napp]

Napp I love them too. I have learned so much from your posts. When you do your treatments what temperature do you use? Also where can I order the Saylon?

Dove56

There is only a handful of people on this board who bkt and like it. (including you!) the others barley post though. Sometimes it feels like im the only one

I bought the saylon off of ebay and i was able to pay less than the listing price. I dont know how the aldehyde will effect my hair though. i know in the past that the formaldehyde made your hair straight. the apple is specifically made just to silken the hair while the other flavors are for straightening.

I promised myself that i wouldnt use a bkt with "hydes" again but good golly after using the saylon had the best results ive seen in a long time. I still dont know how i feel about that because i am scared of the fumes. when i do my treatments i use 370 and only do 2-3 passes of the flat iron. so far this modification has been working for me for quite some time. my hair curls back up every time. the only time it didn't was when i went to the salon for a blowout and ended up with heat damage.

im still watching my test section and will be doing a detailed review once i do my whole head. so far so good! the curls didn't really change in size but the hair texture feels smooth and is easy to slick back. i was bored and just did my edges and now they look straight when slicked back. if anything i might use the cysteine treatments for the length and use the saylon for controlling my edges.

 

[sharifeh]

I'm interested in keratin treatments for when I'm fully natural but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to DYI so I'll use a salon

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[caliscurls]

I am thinking of getting a keratin treatment to add shine to my curls and reduce frizz, but I have a few concerns. 1. I use henna in my hair, can I still do a keratin treatment? 2. Some parts of my hair are heat damaged and are frizzy/wavy instead of curly, I am afraid it will straighten those parts completely, even when I want to wear it curly. Has anyone had a problem with this? I am not really trying to change my curl pattern, I just want shiny, frizz free hair, with more defined curls (with less shrinkage, if thats possible), and I definitely don't want it to be permanent!!! Is Keratin right for me?

Ceemarie82 here's what I can tell you from my experience 1. Although I've stopped using henna, previously when used with a BKT I didn't have an issue 2. It depends on which brand and the level of heat you use as to how straight it gets and stays. I don't use the usual 425-450, normally it's in the 350-380 range for me and I have plenty of curl 3. On the frizz yes it does help me at least there Hope this helps. HHG!

 

[caliscurls]

Dove56 There is only a handful of people on this board who bkt and like it. (including you!) the others barley post though. Sometimes it feels like im the only one

For some reason it seems like doing BKTs is taboo because there are only a few of us that post. That's said. There are several that post and acknowledge they use BKTs in other non-BKT threads. It's just hard to catch sometimes.

 

[Amethyst85]

Im one of those people! I love the effect of BKT on my hair as it makes it so much easier to blow dry and straighten, and totally reduces frizz. Ive been using QOD Gold Organiq for around one year (3-4 treatments) and haven't had any problems which are specifically related to using BKT. The only problem i have is the formaldehyde.

 

[Napp]

Im one of those people! I love the effect of BKT on my hair as it makes it so much easier to blow dry and straighten, and totally reduces frizz. Ive been using QOD Gold Organiq for around one year (3-4 treatments) and haven't had any problems which are specifically related to using BKT. The only problem i have is the formaldehyde.

Amethyst85 does the qod gold organiq have formaldehyde?

How do you protect yourself from the fumes?

 

[Amethyst85]

Yeah when i bought it the website said that its formaldehyde free but when i checked the site a few months later there was a disclaimer. Ive just been to check again and i cant find it now but im sure it was there.
There aren't much fumes when i use heat but the smell is overwhelming so i open all the windows.

 

[Amethyst85]

The site was a UK distributor's website so i think our regulations are a bit different to the USA. Anyway ive found some information on the QOD USA site:

There are a number of keratin formulas on the market claiming to be “formaldehyde free.” Technically, this may be correct. Many of these “formaldehyde free” products, however, are likely to contain other “aldehydes,” urea, or similar mixes which share the potent characteristics of formaldehyde. Often these compounds convert into a form of raw, unrefined formaldehyde when heated.

Even though QOD Brazilian Keratin formulas do not contain industrially manufactured raw formaldehyde, we choose not to advertise them as “formaldehyde free.” We find this to be a disingenuous marketing gimmick. More importantly, it is potentially harmful. If stylists are comforted with a false sense of confidence, believing that a product is “formaldehyde free,” they may not follow the same stringent safety protocols they would with other powerful salon products. That would be a mistake.

The bottom line is this:
Any formulation that produces a significant volume-reduction in the hair lasting several weeks is a potent salon product. It should always be treated with healthy respect, and handled in compliance with salon safety protocols by licensed hair professionals only.

There are no exceptions to this, and there are no short cuts to achieving the remarkable, long-lasting effects of a Brazilian Keratin treatment. If a product is truly without formaldehyde or any derivatives, its effects will most likely last only until the next washing. A beautiful flat-iron and blow-out with some nice keratin-based conditioner might last for several days and make a client happy - but this service is not a Brazilian Keratin treatment.

http://www.qodusa.com/notes-formaldehyde.shtml

The do have FDA approval so i will still use it until something better comes along.

 

[Dove56]

Dove56

There is only a handful of people on this board who bkt and like it. (including you!) the others barley post though. Sometimes it feels like im the only one

I bought the saylon off of ebay and i was able to pay less than the listing price. I dont know how the aldehyde will effect my hair though. i know in the past that the formaldehyde made your hair straight. the apple is specifically made just to silken the hair while the other flavors are for straightening.

I promised myself that i wouldnt use a bkt with "hydes" again but good golly after using the saylon had the best results ive seen in a long time. I still dont know how i feel about that because i am scared of the fumes. when i do my treatments i use 370 and only do 2-3 passes of the flat iron. so far this modification has been working for me for quite some time. my hair curls back up every time. the only time it didn't was when i went to the salon for a blowout and ended up with heat damage.

im still watching my test section and will be doing a detailed review once i do my whole head. so far so good! the curls didn't really change in size but the hair texture feels smooth and is easy to slick back. i was bored and just did my edges and now they look straight when slicked back. if anything i might use the cysteine treatments for the length and use the saylon for controlling my edges.

Napp, I will wait for your final review! What do think of cyestine treatments? I like QOD Organiq because there's no formaldehyde. I always use 1-2 passes and about 375°.

I have used Peter Coppola keratin treatment before and it contains aldehydes. I used it back when I did 7-10 passes with 450° so my hair got bone straight. I will only do 2-3 passes max with any treatment now and no more than 2 treatments in a year.

 

[caliscurls]

For those thinking abt doing a BKT the biggest perks for me are:
- cuts down in drying time (substantially)
- cuts down on frizz
- reduces the amount of time it takes to do my hair bcz it's easier to manage
- makes it easier to straighten
- makes it easier to detangle

That said people tend to be scared of the heat. Use it responsibly and you'll be okay.

 

[Napp]

@Napp, I will wait for your final review! What do think of cyestine treatments? I like QOD Organiq because there's no formaldehyde. I always use 1-2 passes and about 375°.

I have used Peter Coppola keratin treatment before and it contains aldehydes. I used it back when I did 7-10 passes with 450° so my hair got bone straight. I will only do 2-3 passes max with any treatment now and no more than 2 treatments in a year.

I like the idea of not doing the bkt just a few times a year. The cysteine treatments i have used so far are just too weak for my tastes and they wash out quickly. I like that they are safer but I find myself needed to do them more frequently. Overall qod max organiq worked the best when it comes to cysteine based treatments. for a regular bkt the best ive used was ok keratin. It made my hair exactly the way i wanted it and it wore off after some time. If i just had a little more money I would have not relaxed and bkt instead.

 

[Napp]

For those thinking abt doing a BKT the biggest perks for me are:
- cuts down in drying time (substantially)
- cuts down on frizz
- reduces the amount of time it takes to do my hair bcz it's easier to manage
- makes it easier to straighten
- makes it easier to detangle

That said people tend to be scared of the heat. Use it responsibly and you'll be okay.

PREACH!

 

[caliscurls]

I am due for a QOD Max organiq treatment. Originally the intent was to do them every 3 months but based on your posts Dove56 and Napp I'm not alone in doing them less frequently. If I do the treatment this weekend as planned it will have been 6 months since my last treatment.

 

[ljones4521]

I don't post often, but wanted to share a recent experience with my keratin treatment. In December 2013 I had my first treatment applied. In mid March 2014 I had my second treatment applied. Before the treatment I noticed my hair was incredibly sticky and breaking like crazy. After the treatment I hair continued to be sticky and shedding like crazy. I ca't begin to tell you how concerned I was because my grew a lot with the first keratin treatment. Well I finally decided to do a deep oil treatment GHE. I used avocado oil. The shedding and breakage stopped immediately. The stickiness has been reduced by 90%. So, if you are experiencing something similar give it a try and I would love to hear of others remedies to address excessive breakage and stickiness.

 

[caliscurls]

Just finished a fresh QOD MAX Organiq treatment. It's been 6 months since the last one. Seems like I'm getting through the process faster and faster each time.

 

[Dove56]

Just finished a fresh QOD MAX Organiq treatment. It's been 6 months since the last one. Seems like I'm getting through the process faster and faster each time.

caliscurls do you apply from root to tip each time?

 

[caliscurls]

Dove56 yes, I use the technique I think biancalyse (sp?) posted in the QOD thread - a dab at the root, a dab in the middle, a dab towards the end, then comb through starting at the ends. Seems like you wouldn't get good coverage but it works every time.

 

[krissyc39]

I have a question for all you fine haired ladies... What has your result been from the BKT? Do you think it made your hair more succeptable to heat damage/thin ends/breakage than someone with thicker strands?

 

[Whit]

I have a question for all you fine haired ladies... What has your result been from the BKT? Do you think it made your hair more succeptable to heat damage/thin ends/breakage than someone with thicker strands?

I don't know about all brands but Dreamhair is the DEBIL!!!!!! It makes your hair luxurious at first but then it turns to mush and poop on the ends. I have been growing my treatment out for over two years. It never "washed out" or reverted.