Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[AtlantaJJ]

Does anyone have the list of ingredients to the Joico Liquid Reconstructor? I'm thinking that would be an excellent before flat iron treatment as long as it doesn't have Sodium Cloride in the list, which all their K-Pak conditoners do I might be having a sale soon...

 

[Chameleonchick]

Argh so the mill creek keratin shampoo is a no go? I just ordered it.

Atlanta JJ the intense hydrator and liquid recon does not have sodium chloride but my other joico stuff does.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Argh so the mill creek keratin shampoo is a no go? I just ordered it.

Atlanta JJ the intense hydrator and liquid recon does not have sodium chloride but my other joico stuff does.

As far as I know, Mill Creek Keratin is okay... I'll check my bottle again...

Did someone say its not good?

 

[Chameleonchick]

As far as I know, Mill Creek Keratin is okay... I'll check my bottle again...

Did someone say its not good?

I'm only saying that because it was listed somewhere above that it had Sodium Lauryl Sulfate. I thought it would have been sulfate free.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I'm only saying that because it was listed somewhere above that it had Sodium Lauryl Sulfate. I thought it would have been sulfate free.

It has Sodium Myreth Sulfate down about 12th on the ingredients list..

That's pretty low I wonder what's the difference between that and the SLSs

ETA:

It also has Sodium Caseinate, and Sodium Bezoate way down the lable as well. I wonder what those are...

Shampoo Ingredients:

Deionized water, hydrolyzed keratin, panthenol (provitamin B5), henna extract, chamomile extract, nettle extract, rosemary extract, comfrey extract, quillaja extract, barley extract, sodium myreth sulfate, cocamidropopyl betaine (coconut oil), cocamphoacetate lauramide, balsam peru, apple pectin, allantoin, sodium caseinate, magnesium citrate, disodium EDTA, tocopherol (vitamin E), organic aloe vera gel, octyl dimethyl PABA, citric acid, organic essential oil, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, botanical fragrance.

MillCreek Keratin Conditioner Ingredients:

Deionized water, stearalkonium chloride, glyceryl stearate, glycerin, cetyl alcohol, cottonseed oil, hydrolyzed keratin, panthenol (provitamin B5), balsam peru, olive oil, retinyl palmitate (vitamin A) cholecalciferol (vitamin D3), tocopherol (vitamin E), rosemary extract, barley extract, hydrolyzed RNA, hydrolyzed stearate, sodium caseinate, sodium proplyparaben, diazolidinyl urea, fragrance, carmine, caramel.Deionized water, hydrolyzed kerain, cottonseed oil, panthenol (provitamin B5), balsam peru, olive oil, retinyl palmitate (vitamin A), tocopherol (vitamin E), rosemary extract, barley extract, stearalkonium chloride (fiber base content), glyceryl stearate, glycerin, cetyl alcohol, octyl dimethyl PABA, PEG- 100 stearate, sodium caseinate, sodium hydroxide, corn oil, organic aloe vera gel, citric acid, organic essential oil, caramel, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, botanical fragrance.

ETAA:

Sodium myreth sulfate, or sodium myristyl ether sulfate (SMES), is a detergent and surfactant found in many personal care products (soaps, shampoos, toothpaste etc.). It is a cheap and very effective foaming agent. Its CAS registry number is [025446-80-4].
Chemical structure of sodium myreth sulfate

Sodium myreth sulfate is very similar to sodium laureth sulfate; the only difference is two more carbons in the fatty alcohol molecule on the hydrophobic tail. Both detergents are manufactured by ethoxylation which 1,4-dioxane may be produced.

Its chemical formula is CH3(CH2)12CH2(OCH2CH2)nOSO3Na. Sometimes the number represented by "n" is specified in the name, as laureth-n sulfate (unsubscripted), for example laureth-2 sulfate.

 

[winterinatl]

I think you'll be fine. At most, you may want to touch it up again with the flat iron in places but overall it will be fine.

I did the treatment on Thursday night, Saturday & Sunday I did a yoga workshop and no way was I letting all this hair go free. I twisted it up on top of my head, no problems with dents or frizz.

Are you graduating? Congratulations!!!

The faculty at the high school I work at are dressing in full regalia for the HS graduates . I never walked in college so am excited to wear the regalia of my alma matter (Clark Atlanta Univ.)!

 

[Chameleonchick]

It has Sodium Myreth Sulfate down about 12th on the ingredients list..

That's pretty low I wonder what's the difference between that and the SLSs

ETA:

It also has Sodium Caseinate, and Sodium Bezoate way down the lable as well. I wonder what those are...

Shampoo Ingredients:



MillCreek Keratin Conditioner Ingredients:


ETAA:

Thanks!

How long should I wait to do the BKT after taking my twists down? I am so excited about it. I took them down last night and used my joico this morning. My hair did really well this set.

 

[Dak]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between Sodium myreth sulfate and sodium myreth solfate (coconut oil-derived) Elucence MB Shampoo? Are they just spelling it creatively?

 

[Stella B.]

Does anyone know if there is a difference between Sodium myreth sulfate and sodium myreth solfate (coconut oil-derived) Elucence MB Shampoo? Are they just spelling it creatively?

Dak, I just googled sodium myreth solfate and sodium myreth sulfate came up. So I'm thinking the solfate word is creative spelling, or a printing error. When I BKT (later this year) I will try to stay away from any shampoos or conditioning products that have the word sodium ________ on the ingredient label!!

 

[sunshinne368]

So I purchased the Organic Thermo BKT on ebay for $45! I will be trying this as soon as it comes! I henna this week! Any one else try this product?

 

[Kacie]

So....I took the plunge this past Friday and today was my first wash. I'm a fine stranded relaxed 4b (18 weeks post). The results post wash are great. I washed with CON green, conditioned with AO Island Naturals,then sprayed with Chi Keratin Mist (thanks Marshalls) and applied a little NTM silk touch.
It looks and feels as if I'm 5 weeks post and not 18.

Likes:
More manageable
Smooth Feeling

Dislikes
The fumes from applying/blowdrying
Not being able to wash for 48 hours

Next time I will use either Sofliss or Organic Thermo Fusion so I can wash same day. I will also invest in a fume extractor.

ETA: I used QOD gold.

 

[ROZELIDA_80]

Is there such a thing as a detangling clarifying shampoo?

I am afraid of trying to detangle wet hair with no product. I am relaxed but have several under processed areas as well as new growth. I already wash in sections but still use conditioner to detangle.

How did everyone else get through this step?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

So I purchased the Organic Thermo BKT on ebay for $45! I will be trying this as soon as it comes! I henna this week! Any one else try this product?

It looks like you already have a BKT!! Pretty hair!!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Thanks!

How long should I wait to do the BKT after taking my twists down? I am so excited about it. I took them down last night and used my joico this morning. My hair did really well this set.

I would wash condition and DC really good before the BKT and if you color, you want to color during this time as well. Other than that you are good to go!

So....I took the plunge this past Friday and today was my first wash. I'm a fine stranded relaxed 4b (18 weeks post). The results post wash are great. I washed with CON green, conditioned with AO Island Naturals,then sprayed with Chi Keratin Mist (thanks Marshalls) and applied a little NTM silk touch.
It looks and feels as if I'm 5 weeks post and not 18.

Likes:
More manageable
Smooth Feeling

Dislikes
The fumes from applying/blowdrying
Not being able to wash for 48 hours

Next time I will use either Sofliss or Organic Thermo Fusion so I can wash same day. I will also invest in a fume extractor.

ETA: I used QOD gold.

I haven't done my first wash yet but ditto on the fumes. I am definitely going to look into a fume extractor myself. Does Home Depot sell those I wonder :scratchch

Is there such a thing as a detangling clarifying shampoo?

I am afraid of trying to detangle wet hair with no product. I am relaxed but have several under processed areas as well as new growth. I already wash in sections but still use conditioner to detangle.

How did everyone else get through this step?

This was one of the scariest parts for me and to be quite frank, I punked out and opted for a texturizer just to reduce my shrinkage. I was so worried about pulling my hair out by doing a comb out with no product. I am very glad I did it that way because it made that whole process a breeze compared to a nightmare.

I don't think you will have problems. The BKT is perfect if you are under processed or have areas that a processed different than others, ect. It makes your hair uniform.

I detangled under running water and combed it down in the shower after washing out the clarifiying shampoo and I dried that way under a hooded dryer before putting on the BKT soluton. This should keep you fairly tangle free. I then put the BKT solution on in sections making sure to comb through first with a big tooth comb and then with a medium tooth to evenly distribute the product.

Then I blow dried as instructed and I only lost like 3-5 strands which is way better than normal for me. Me and the blow drier never got along when I was natural.

 

[cutenss]

HOT stuff AJJ! Loving the instense shine your hair has. Are you loving the BKT? Will you do it again? I didn't have the fume problem that others have. Or maybe I didn't notice. I do work at a hospital, and have smelled it all. Nice job AJJ!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

HOT stuff AJJ! Loving the instense shine your hair has. Are you loving the BKT? Will you do it again? I didn't have the fume problem that others have. Or maybe I didn't notice. I do work at a hospital, and have smelled it all. Nice job AJJ!

Thank you and will I do it again.. Oh yes!! No doubt about it. I haven't had my hair this straight since the 1980s when I used to get the Cali silky presses before they called them that in Los Angeles. Back then they used to call them dry presses because they didn't use any oils and your hair had swing when they finished. That's what the BKT reminds me of.

The smell to me was a little stronger than the typical press & curl smell as well (from what I can remember) Those combs used to be smokin. But my hair was never damaged. I'm not sure how they used to do that.

 

[PinkSkates]

Congratulations AJJ!Your hair is BEAUTIFUL! Welcome to the SWBKTH Club! BKT may become a staple for me!

 

[naturalmanenyc]

Great job!!! The naked blow out is also what scares me about doing BKT on my own. When I had it done at the salon the second time, the stylist did a rollerset to dry my hair instead of a naked blowout.

This was one of the scariest parts for me and to be quite frank, I punked out and opted for a texturizer just to reduce my shrinkage. I was so worried about pulling my hair out by doing a comb out with no product. I am very glad I did it that way because it made that whole process a breeze compared to a nightmare.

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

Atlanta, your hair is blindin' me, enuf already!! *where is my postman?*

 

[Blessed2bless]

Oh My AJJ! Your results are great!

 

[tnorenberg]

Since my BKTs I bounce back and forth between cowashing and Mill Creek Biotin Shampoo:

Deionized water, biotin, hydrolyzed keratin, peppermint oil, hydrolyzed elastin, niacin, folic acid, panthenol (provitamin B5), organic aloe vera gel, organic essential oil, jojoba oil, inositol, barley extract, sodium myreth sulfate, cocamidopropyl betaine (coconut oil), octyl dimethyl PABA, styrene / acrylates copolymer, citric acid, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, botanical fragrance.

As you can see it does have sodium myreth sulfate, but it's lower on the list of ingredients. It doesn't sud much and I'm thinking of pouring it into a bottle with added oil to make it even more gentle. So far I haven't had any issue.

If you look for products that say "safe for colored hair" and "natural" it will lead you closer to the products that you want for bkt'd hair.

Maybe that's the one I should have gotten. I didn't realize that one had Keratin so high up on the list too. Thanks

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Congratulations AJJ!Your hair is BEAUTIFUL! Welcome to the SWBKTH Club! BKT may become a staple for me!

I kept thinking of you while flat ironing my BKT and the fact that you did yours on about 10 times more hair length and thickness than I have and realized how much work you did :notworthy

I'm excited about my prospects for length retention. I'm growing out all uneven from my big chop. I had to trim an inch due to knotted ends and I could have easily trimmed an inch more but I couldn't just yet.

 

[PinkSkates]

I kept thinking of you while flat ironing my BKT and the fact that you did yours on about 10 times more hair length and thickness than I have and realized how much work you did :notworthy

I'm excited about my prospects for length retention. I'm growing out all uneven from my big chop. I had to trim an inch due to knotted ends and I could have easily trimmed an inch more but I couldn't just yet.

You're welcome chica! I ain't gonna lie it was a lot of work...6 hours worth! But it was so worth it.
My hair is loving BKT so far. And the most amazing part is my hair feels so moisturized days later without me having to manually add moisture to my hair. I have friends and family members begging me to BKT their hair. I may have to open my own BKT home hair salon!

 

[me-T]

how much safer are the ether("formaldehyde-free) versions than the formaldehyde ones?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

You're welcome chica! I ain't gonna lie it was a lot of work...6 hours worth! But it was so worth it.
My hair is loving BKT so far. And the most amazing part is my hair feels so moisturized days later without me having to manually add moisture to my hair. I have friends and family members begging me to BKT their hair. I may have to open my own BKT home hair salon!

PinkSkates you could open a BKT salon, you are a walking talking hair advertisement!! You would have the place packed with customers in no time.

I mean how many hair stylists do you see with really long healthy hair?

They are an endangered species!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

how much safer are the ether("formaldehyde-free) versions than the formaldehyde ones?

I don't know the answer to your question but boy your siggy picture is FUNNY! :ha:

 

[Blessed2bless]

Does anyone know if you can do a perm. hair color right before the the BKT?

 

[Kacie]

Is there such a thing as a detangling clarifying shampoo?

I am afraid of trying to detangle wet hair with no product. I am relaxed but have several under processed areas as well as new growth. I already wash in sections but still use conditioner to detangle.

How did everyone else get through this step?

I was scared of this step too, but after drying my hair it was so shiny and soft. I detangled on dry hair before washing. I washed in two sections with Kenra clarifying poo. I then sat under my Pibbs for about 20 minutes. I detangled after my hair was dry.

 

[Dak]

So how are people liking their hair after their first wash? I've got to fine tune a better shampoo, I used Elasta QP, which a great detangling shampoo, but leaves my hair rather "coated" feeling, so after washing, conditioning, roller setting & flat ironing, my first wash felt rather product-y. I've been wearing my hair twisted in a bun on the top of my head with some pieces down along the back & sides, I'm liking the shine & the way my texture is staying the same, though I'm still touching up my bangs & smoothing with a scarf in the morning.

 

[sheba1]

Just had my first wash of my third treatment yesterday morning. Still in love; my hair is still curly; just bigger and looser curls. I hit the gym yesterday morning. After, I cowashed and wet bunned. By the end of the day I had this adorable looking wash n go. I really like this bkt thing. My hair is still curly but so much more tamed. Can't wait to see where my hair is in a year.

Sorry to hear about your hair feeling product-y. hmmm Not sure what shampoo you might want to try next. My favorite wash has been with my Vo5 clarifying conditioner. I love the way it makes my hair feel so clean without feeling stripped. This worked out for me even when I roller set one time. I remember I used too much black n sassy cream set that time, though, so I think my curls came out a little frizzy as I separated them.