Jess a.k.a Mahogany Curls responds to Curlynikki drama

[Mz.MoMo5235]

This is what I'm going off of. Sundial is the parent company.

By the second year, their hard work came to fruition when they formed Sundial Creations and Nubian Heritage, with Richelieu acting as Founder and CEO, and Nyema, as President and COO. The company has grown and bloomed, and now Nubian Heritage products are sold all over the world.

Sundial Creations makes SM!!!!!!

So it is black owned?

 

[oneastrocurlie]

Go to Sundial Facebook page. Also Google Sundial and Shea Moisture in the same search.

Sundial is the parent company, who is owned by....

And all of the Sundial founders are black. Therefore.....

 

[Froreal3]

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[Mz.MoMo5235]

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I'm just as lost man

 

[Zedster]

According to Hoover's*, Sundial Group LLC is listed as "minority owned/women owned". President is Nyema S Tubman, V Pres is Richard Gallucci, Plant Manager Nicola Chung. Marry Dennis and Martha Dennis are listed as "members", which I presume means board members. I have posted screenshots of the company page. If you want, yo can check out each of the above-mentioned LinkedIn profiles. Fighting misinformation is my specialty

*Hoover's is a subscription-based database on 100s of millions of companies worldwide, so you won't find it through simple Google search. You need subscription access.

 

[Muse]

I'm just as lost man

I'm with you!

 

[Muse]

This is what I'm going off of. Sundial is the parent company.

By the second year, their hard work came to fruition when they formed Sundial Creations and Nubian Heritage, with Richelieu acting as Founder and CEO, and Nyema, as President and COO. The company has grown and bloomed, and now Nubian Heritage products are sold all over the world.

Sundial Creations makes SM!!!!!!

I think people are confused because from reading your post above you are proving our point that the owners are black but still saying they are white. It says "...they formed Sundial Creations..." isn't the "they" referring to Richelieu and Nyema who are black?

 

[Mz.MoMo5235]

So they are black?

Man! We need a better way to identify our own peoples businesses! I bet $3 Koreans, Indians, and other groups dont have this hard of a time verifying each other's businesses. Ijs

 

[Zedster]

So they are black?

I did find some free info on the company through CorporationWiki, which gets its info from a U.S. crediting agency (Dun & Bradstreet). However, it lists the company name as "Sundial Fragrances & Flavors Inc." This may be a holdover name from when it was first created, since the company seems to go by Sundial Brands LLC. Here's what I found:

http://www.corporationwiki.com/New-York/Amityville/sundial-fragrances-flavors-inc/61718110.aspx

Nyema S. Tubman
Chief Financial Officer, Owner

Michael Tobin
Chief Technology Officer, Chief Information Officer

Richelieu Dennis
President, Chief Executive Officer

Mary Dennis
Treasurer, Accountant

Nyema, is listed as the owner. Here's a link to their pictures:
http://sundialbrands.com/founders.html

You can make your own conclusions about whether they are Black.

Hopefully this will end all the confusion. It's been rather silly and disappointing.

 

[Mz.MoMo5235]

I did find some free info on the company through CorporationWiki, which gets its info from a U.S. crediting agency (Dun & Bradstreet). However, it lists the company name as "Sundial Fragrances & Flavors Inc." This may be a holdover name from when it was first created, since the company seems to go by Sundial Brands LLC. Here's what I found:

http://www.corporationwiki.com/New-York/Amityville/sundial-fragrances-flavors-inc/61718110.aspx

Nyema S. Tubman
Chief Financial Officer, Owner

Michael Tobin
Chief Technology Officer, Chief Information Officer

Richelieu Dennis
President, Chief Executive Officer

Mary Dennis
Treasurer, Accountant

Nyema, is listed as the owner. Here's a link to their pictures:
http://sundialbrands.com/founders.html

You can make your own conclusions about whether they are Black.

Hopefully this will end all the confusion. It's been rather silly and disappointing.

It has gotten silly hasnt it?

 

[oneastrocurlie]

So they are black?

Man! We need a better way to identify our own peoples businesses! I bet $3 Koreans, Indians, and other groups dont have this hard of a time verifying each other's businesses. Ijs

In this case, I didn't think it was hard to confirm. The first result in Google tells us who the founders and CEO is/are. All were black.

I'm not sure why that particular poster wasn't convinced. The very article she posted named two black men.

 

[Zedster]

In this case, I didn't think it was hard to confirm. The first result in Google tells us who the founders and CEO is/are. All were black.

I'm not sure why that particular poster wasn't convinced. The very article she posted named two black men.

Some people thrive off drama and if they can't find any...they make it up!

 

[Lia3257]

Some of y'all sound super ignorant.

Lots of white people use Shea Moisture's/ Nubian Heritage's soaps. I had to school one white lady about what "real" black soap was and wasn't.

White people shop at health food stores and Shea Moisture/NH is right there on the skin care, Bath & Body aisle.

 

[JerriBlank]

I follow Nubian Heritage and Sheamoisture on Instagram.

I dont think they are getting rid of NH because they are coming out with new products left and right. It seems SM is the more popular one so that website went up first but NH should be getting a website as well.

You can even call Sundial yourself and order older products. I do , for the SM leave in conditioner. All products that I get from the BSS are still being made with updated lot numbers, expiration dates , etc...

Hey! Do you have the Sundial phone number? I used to be obsessed with a Nubian Heritage moisture spray for hair, and getting it off of the internet is a ******! I would really appreciate the number that you call to order directly.
Thank you!

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Wow. I guess I totallly missed the point of this blog post ( I saw it too).....
*shrug*

Curly hair - don't care

 

[andromeda]

I'm not hating on no white people with my thoughts or feelings when I say...they need to stay in their lane. That girl Water Lily has nice curls and all, but she had no business thinking that she was like those previously featured on Curly Nikki. And like so many before her, Nikki simply sold out. Call it business, call it whatever but damn near all the bloggers that threw their hat in on the subject, sold out too. White people have plenty of magazines, websites, groups and the like to discuss their hair woes. In my not so humble opinion, it was a calculated move. Their is an unprecedented movement in the hair care industry where black business is edging out white corporate conglomerates...you better believe they don't like it. They don't want to fight small black companies for shelf space. So you get white people in the mix with the " a curl is a curl" mantra and all the "hair is hair" sayings and soon everyone will be buying all the Loreal and Alberto Culver products again the way they want it.

if the bloggers want to be inclusive with white women, then let them but we BLACK people should unite and leave them behind and let them learn how much white women are willing to support them. This kind of crap will go on and on and on until ALL blacks stand together on the principle that blacks need to own and have something of our own. When we are a strong united front, then at that point anybody else can be let in, but for now black MUST COME FIRST!!!!

this, particularly the bolded, needed to be posted again. I haven't been in the hair section probably but 2x this year, but this incident is extremely concerning to me and brought me back over here.

We may be at a tipping point towards a larger, insidious trend of our space being co-opted, compromised and capitalized on by white people with an abundance of entitlement and a lack of respect. The parallels to gentrification are alarming.

 

[divya]

Guess I've missed plenty. Would someone point me to the origin of all of this? What happened?

 

[Mz.MoMo5235]

Guess I've missed plenty. Would someone point me to the origin of all of this? What happened?

Cn featured a "natural" white girl on her page, some folk are ok with it, others arent. The ones who arent expressed why the natural hair movement and curly hair movement are two separate things. People started caping for becky. More people got mad... Then I dont know what happened but we got on black owned businesses. Then went back and forth about who owned shea moisture.

And now its just a bunch of confused people (including my self) posting.

Thats it o_o

 

[Foxglove]

Cn featured a "natural" white girl on her page, some folk are ok with it, others arent. The ones who arent expressed why the natural hair movement and curly hair movement are two separate things. People started caping for becky. More people got mad... Then I dont know what happened but we got on black owned businesses. Then went back and forth about who owned shea moisture. And now its just a bunch of confused people (including my self) posting. Thats it o_o

Things didn't get bad until Becky started insulting BW and admitted she was trolling for clicks and CN defended her instead of her core readers who got her where she is in the first place

 

[Mz.MoMo5235]

Things didn't get bad until Becky started insulting BW and admitted she was trolling for clicks and CN defended her instead of her core readers who got her where she is in the first place

Oh I know. I was anti-becky from page one.

But then the thread got ridiculous and kind of lost its meaning after all a bit.

 

[Lia3257]

So, do we have any updates? I joined the FB group but, it's dead in there.