guess this hair type.....BEWARE, serious slobbing may occur

[EllePixie]

And just to add to what I was saying before.

When someone comes in here and starts complaining about how a certain curl defining product didn't work for them and didn't define, people are always quick to say things like, "It will only define what's already there," and "It doesn't CREATE curls, just enhances them." and stuff like that.

But when someone shows a picture of their hair with a curl defining product in it and asks to be typed it's like, "Oh, you have to take a pic of your hair freshly washed with no product." and "We can't accurately type you if you've got product in your hair."

Lol... so... which is it?

And, in fact, I think (and hair typing to me, like I said in the other thread, is only useful when it comes to styling so this is not that serious) that it is EASIER to type someone when their curl pattern is defined with product, because when without product, a lot of people's curl pattern's are frizzy, and the curl pattern is hidden in the frizz, therefore making it harder to see.

And in regards to what @iri9109 and @Kurlee were saying, I agree with both of your points. With @iri9109 I agree that dry hair should be the most accurate way to type hair, but I also agree with @Kurlee that the problem with dry hair typing is it's harder to see the curl pattern.

So, the solution to both of these?

Type hair dry, and WITH curl defining products! The hair will be dry so it is not being weighed down by water, and the hair will retain the curl pattern that shows up when it's wet. win/win

(sorry for the long post )

Sheena I agree with this and this is another reason why I think hair typing is stupid as heck, for the most part. I believe the "dry, no product" (except maybe condish) guideline was either given by Andre or NaturallyCurly - and I said the same thing you did when we were talking about hair types once - I was like, who cares what "type" I have with no product in my hair when I ALWAYS use some kind of product (a leave-in at least).

I really do think that some people believe that one hair type is better than another - I have seen people say things along the lines of, "Well I don't need [insert curl definer here] to have curls..." almost implying that if you use gel/curl cremes your hair is still not good enough. There was one poster on NC that would make the argument that type 3 hair was the only "true" curly hair, and it bothered her when people referred to type 2 or type 4 hair as curly, and she said that her hair dry was a type 3 but when wet it was a 2, so she believed that you needed dry hair no product...some thought that she was so adamant about this because she wanted to keep her title as a "true" curly...lol...too messy.

 

[Nonie]

Type hair dry, and WITH curl defining products! The hair will be dry so it is not being weighed down by water, and the hair will retain the curl pattern that shows up when it's wet. win/win

(sorry for the long post )

@Sheena284 I say that's not enough even. I say show your hair in many more forms. I personally think I showcase my hair well in this post. I don't think anyone has any doubt from looking at those pics that I am 4B. (Too many people try to create a certain look, so believing that dry and with products is the way to go isn't exactly true, because it take away the fact that the product used could be a heavy gel that still does what water could do if water does stretch your hair. Water doesn't stretch my hair unless it's twisted (the pics of how my hair looks after being washed show wet hair and there's no hanging/stretching involved )... So again, not all hair reacts the same to products or regimens, which is why you have to see it in as many states as possible to be able to even begin guessing the type. But what do I know.

I think tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT should create a questionnaire of about 20 questions with pics requested which will be fool-proof in detemining what type people are. My suggestion would be specifics like: What does it look like if you apply X gel to dripping wet hair and not comb? What about if you brush it back as if trying to create a bun or puff? What if you shampoo with Y and then rinse and do nothing else? ...Please enclose a pic for each response. THEN you might get an accurate picture.

There's that girl on YT who creates clumps by twirling and stretching her hair for hours. If she were the one posting a photo of her hair with product, we'd not really know she had hair as kinky as mine or close. We'd think she had 4A hair or 3C/4A...just because with a little help, our hair can be made to do things it doesn't do on its own.

 

[Livysmiles]

Where's @Nonie and @BlackMasterPiece?

Have either of them weighed in yet?

It's funny you mentioned BMP because when I saw her hair I thought it looks similar to BMP. I think she's definitely in the 4 category. I don't see 3 anywhere.

 

[Cherokee-n-Black]

So the winner is "gorgeous!" lol as if this thread will end that easily. I'm waiting on an audit, so i have time to sit here and be philosophical. Hair typing is a normal natural thing that humans do. We like to categorize things so we can understand them. We look for commonalities and try to put things in subsets on the basis of those common traits. Think Animal Kingdom-phylum-genus-species. Yet the jury is still out on the platypus and sharks give birth. It will always be the case that despite our best efforts to categorize naturally occurring phenomena, our system will continually be challenged by things like Chime's hair. All we can do is marvel at nature.

Now a more interesting question is the underlying social/racial implications of this discussion about Chime's hair along with all the others. Those issues that even LCHF are too polite to just "put it out there." Now, I like to "put stuff out there" but I don't want to get banned for starting a war.

 

[Nonie]

davisbr88 and @iri9109 not all hair stretches when wet.

This is my full SL hair when it was dripping wet:

In fact if my hair was stretched and then made wet, it'd shrink up to a TWA even if I had the shower head spraying through it.

Hence the reason I say, it's not just wet or dry or w/ products or w/o or manipulated or unmanipulated...but all of the above and details of products used that can help determine type.

This is what my hair looks like out of braids:

So if that's all you ever saw, you'd never know it can shrink back up.

I saw the images of the lady y'all talking about with her hair a bit shrunken. It's too far to tell the size of her coils but she no doubt has some type 4 kinkiness in there. Now whether she also has 3C is @tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT's task to confirm but that glorious head of hair looks like it'd make an awesome classic afro if it were shorter and were combed out.

 

[SheenaVee]

@Sheena284 I say that's not enough even. I say show your hair in many more forms. I personally think I showcase my hair well in this post. I don't think anyone has any doubt from looking at those pics that I am 4B. (Too many people try to create a certain look, so believing that dry and with products is the way to go isn't exactly true, because it take away the fact that the product used could be a heavy gel that still does what water could do if water does stretch your hair. Water doesn't stretch my hair unless it's twisted (the pics of how my hair looks after being washed show wet hair and there's no hanging/stretching involved )... So again, not all hair reacts the same to products or regimens, which is why you have to see it in as many states as possible to be able to even begin guessing the type. But what do I know.

I think @thenaturalproject should create a questionnaire of about 20 questions with pics requested which will be fool-proof in detemining what type people are. My suggestion would be specifics like: What does it look like if you apply X gel to dripping wet hair and not comb? What about if you brush it back as if trying to create a bun or puff? What if you shampoo with Y and then rinse and do nothing else? ...Please enclose a pic for each response. THEN you might get an accurate picture.

There's that girl on YT who creates clumps by twirling and stretching her hair for hours. If she were the one posting a photo of her hair with product, we'd not really know she had hair as kinky as mine or close. We'd think she had 4A hair or 3C/4A...just because with a little help, our hair can be made to do things it doesn't do on its own.

Completely agree with what you're saying, but even with 'creating' curls by twirling and stretching, you cannot change the SIZE of the curl. The 3a, 3c, 4a, 4b clumped curls will still look 3a, 3c, 4a, 4b. The ONLY way you can change the size of your curls is by doing braidouts, twistouts, and using rollers, and curling tongs. Twirling it is still just another way of defining it IMO.

Also, yeah, that's true that products can still weigh the hair down, but when the product has dried, I really don't think it makes THAT much of a difference.

 

[Nonie]

Completely agree with what you're saying, but even with 'creating' curls by twirling and stretching, you cannot change the SIZE of the curl. The 3a, 3c, 4a, 4b clumped curls will still look 3a, 3c, 4a, 4b. The ONLY way you can change the size of your curls is by doing braidouts, twistouts, and using rollers, and curling tongs. Twirling it is still just another way of defining it IMO.

Also, yeah, that's true that products can still weigh the hair down, but when the product has dried, I really don't think it makes THAT much of a difference.

I agree with curl size not changing when you add product but do you know how many people jump in between the types simply because curls are stretched out and hair looks wavy? Hence the rumor that 3B is wavy. The bigger curls have more hang but they are still clearly curls to me...yet folks will start calling 3C hair that is stretched out due to length/weight or product 3B coz it looks wavy. Clearly paying no mind to curl size which in my mind is one of the big type determinant.

@ the bold, depends on what product we're talking about. When people shingle, they use a gel and set the hair in the stretched form so even when dry it has more hang than before they shingled. (The first three images on this page show you how different the hair looks shingled) So trust, you can fake hanging with products.

 

[serendipity]

Her hair is gorgeous!
I'd say her hair's texture is kinky-straight akin to kanekalon fibre for twisting. The wave pattern in her hair is not tight enough to place her squarely in the 4b category. This combined with the high sheen and lack of shrinkage tells me she's a 2c mostly. The front of her hair has the tighter 4b texture. Her hair looks kinkier because of it's coarseness yet it doesn't curl so it can't be type 3 or 4a. I'd class it as kinky 2c/4b. A huge advantage of that hair type is that it's less susceptible to knotting and tangling.

 

[empressri]

if her hair was to her ears, would there be such a discussion like so?

nope. just a random though.

 

[Wildchild453]

If she is a 4a/b, would she have shrinkage? It did not seem like she had shrinkage therefore I believe or feel she is somewhere in the 3 category.

Other categories aren't immune to shrinking, I've seen both 2s and 3s with shrinkage and in the video you can see that her hair shrinks through out the process.

I put her in the 4a/4b category but what do I know.

 

[greenandchic]

if her hair was to her ears, would there be such a discussion like so?

nope. just a random though.

Doubt it. You know, 4 type hair cant be long!

With that said, her hair is so enviable! Here's hoping my hair would ever get that long in my lifetime.

 

[serendipity]

if her hair was to her ears, would there be such a discussion like so?

nope. just a random though.

Doubt it. You know, 4 type hair cant be long!

With that said, her hair is so enviable! Here's hoping my hair would ever get that long in my lifetime.

Actually the fascination is that it appears kinky yet has a wave rather than curl pattern and hangs rather than puffs out. It's not that serious.

 

[tomnikids3]

A M A Z I N G! I guessed 4a but no matter what her hair is beautiful and long and healthy, im green with envy.

 

[omegachick31]

There needs to be an Ask Andre sticky thread and any moderator named Andre should man it and whatever thou who goes by the name Andre says it is the truth and then ye shall all go forth and be free....Amen

 

[Arian]

:scratchch If she is 3c/4a/4b, then I have something to look forward to....thank goodness!

 

[Kurlee]

And just to add to what I was saying before.

When someone comes in here and starts complaining about how a certain curl defining product didn't work for them and didn't define, people are always quick to say things like, "It will only define what's already there," and "It doesn't CREATE curls, just enhances them." and stuff like that.

But when someone shows a picture of their hair with a curl defining product in it and asks to be typed it's like, "Oh, you have to take a pic of your hair freshly washed with no product." and "We can't accurately type you if you've got product in your hair."

Lol... so... which is it?

And, in fact, I think (and hair typing to me, like I said in the other thread, is only useful when it comes to styling so this is not that serious) that it is EASIER to type someone when their curl pattern is defined with product, because when without product, a lot of people's curl pattern's are frizzy, and the curl pattern is hidden in the frizz, therefore making it harder to see.

And in regards to what @iri9109 and @Kurlee were saying, I agree with both of your points. With @iri9109 I agree that dry hair should be the most accurate way to type hair, but I also agree with @Kurlee that the problem with dry hair typing is it's harder to see the curl pattern.

So, the solution to both of these?

Type hair dry, and WITH curl defining products! The hair will be dry so it is not being weighed down by water, and the hair will retain the curl pattern that shows up when it's wet. win/win

(sorry for the long post )

@ your hair

 

[helixhoney]

I actually said 4b. Unless she brushes the heck out of it in the shower, it doesn't look like her hair has a spiral/coily pattern to it, which might account for why it doesn't shrink that much....in addition the twistouts, too.

 

[Kurlee]

Sheena I agree with this and this is another reason why I think hair typing is stupid as heck, for the most part. I believe the "dry, no product" (except maybe condish) guideline was either given by Andre or NaturallyCurly - and I said the same thing you did when we were talking about hair types once - I was like, who cares what "type" I have with no product in my hair when I ALWAYS use some kind of product (a leave-in at least).

I really do think that some people believe that one hair type is better than another - I have seen people say things along the lines of, "Well I don't need [insert curl definer here] to have curls..." almost implying that if you use gel/curl cremes your hair is still not good enough. There was one poster on NC that would make the argument that type 3 hair was the only "true" curly hair, and it bothered her when people referred to type 2 or type 4 hair as curly, and she said that her hair dry was a type 3 but when wet it was a 2, so she believed that you needed dry hair no product...some thought that she was so adamant about this because she wanted to keep her title as a "true" curly...lol...too messy.

@ the black, girl yes! You;re so frank, I love it. @ the red, that is the undertone I see in many threads and it's stupid as hell.

 

[Kurlee]

Now a more interesting question is the underlying social/racial implications of this discussion about Chime's hair along with all the others. Those issues that even LCHF are too polite to just "put it out there." Now, I like to "put stuff out there" but I don't want to get banned for starting a war.

everyone is puzzyfooting around it

 

[Samoneisthebest]

Her hair reminds me of a courser version of kimmaytubes hair. Her hair is 3c/4a right? Her hair texture is hard to figure out because it is so long, weighted down and stretched out. If it did have a curl pattern, it doesn't anymore because of the weight. We will probably never know her hair type unless she cuts it shorter or post picture of it when it was shorter.

 

[greenandchic]

Actually the fascination is that it appears kinky yet has a wave rather than curl pattern and hangs rather than puffs out. It's not that serious.

I've seen that many times with shorter hair - no hoopla. I know its not that serious, its just hair, but I cant help but to think length has something to do with it. That's just me.

 

[Cherokee-n-Black]

if her hair was to her ears, would there be such a discussion like so?

nope. just a random though.

Wellllll...according to some, her hair isn't shrinking because "it's so long and heavy" but I guess I'm in the minority that actually did see waves in her hair (look at the part where she says "it's not wavy or anything" and proceeds to toss up a weft of wavy hair in the back) and I disagree with the shrinkage theory b/c some of her hair in the front is shorter and it doesn't shrink either. So if I saw those two things on ear-length hair I would still wonder about type. I get what you're saying though.

 

[nappystorm]

I vote 1A

 

[ms-gg]

I guess when she starts growing back that patch in the front we can see how her hair would have looked like in a TWA.....

 

[kblc06]

That other thread blew to smithereens so fast that I really didn't have a chance to comment, but I'm going back to my previous responses on this topic:

Based on this info, she appears to be a loose type 3/4 hybrid w/ very coarse, thready, high density hair

It actually reminds me alot of Polynesians' hair

I think Andre's misconception lies within the fact that according to his system, curl size correlates very closely with actual texture, i.e. 1a-3a=silky hair. This is hardly the case. There are many Polynesians who have 1a-2a hair with very little wave or curl that is highly textured, almost to the point where it resembles afro hair. Likewise, I have seen individuals like my mother and other members who have silky 4a hair that is very easily manipulated to the point that it can even resemble type 2c/3ab hair

Actually, this tends not to be the case, hence the reason why so many 4a/b hair types suffer from breakage. I have seen very few 4a/bs with coarse, thick stranded hair. Most of the time, they are fine or medium but with densely packed strands (which implies that they have more hair follicles). Likewise, there are type 3s like Lynnieb and EmpressRi who have very thick individuals strands of hair with high density, making their hair appear even thicker than average. This breakdown may help to explain things a bit:

1.) Hair Texture: Silky, thready, cottony. This actually measures how the hair feels to the touch and can give you more information about how the hair behaves and the potential porosity of the hair. Silky strands of hair typically feel very smooth along the hair strand with lower porosity. Thready and cottony are a little harder to distinguish. Typically, thready hair may have a slightly larger diameter and feels uneven but still smooth along the hair strand. Sometimes, it even has a halo-y appearance, much like a strand of thread. This type of hair generally has a lower porosity and can "feel" coarse even though the strands may be fine. Cottony hair usually feels soft to touch and feels uneven along the hair shaft due to kinks along the hair strand- this hair texture is generally associated with type 4 hair, but this is not always the case. Some type 3s can have cottony hair and some type 4s can have silky or thready hair.

2.) Strand size: Fine, Medium, or Coarse. Fine hair generally has very small diameters. Coarse strands are generally very thick, almost like thread, and very durable. Medium hair strands are in between these two

3.) Curl Diameter: Type 1, 2,3 or 4. The only thing hair typing measures is curl size, NOT hair texture. It is based on the assumptions that people with a certain curl size have a certain type of texture, i.e. type 1 hair is silky. This simply not true- you can have any curl size and have hair that varies along any texture dimension or strand size dimension.

4.) Density: The amount of hair follicles/strands per square inch. Hair that appears very thick may mislead one to think that it's coarse. This is not true. Many people have fine or medium strands but with a high density, making their hair appear thicker than if they have a lower density.

It is important to note that these factors can influence how hair is appears and behaves. Someone with fine, silky 4a medium density hair can appear and behave like someone with a much looser texture and curl size. My mother is an example of this. TaraDyan (a member here) is also an example of how smaller curls can appear much looser due to the texture and strand size. My hair on the other hand is mostly fine-medium, thready type 3b/c highly dense and can appear to be a tighter 3c/4a due to the texture and density. Some of my curls are as loose as 2c/3a but appear very frizzy and highly textured, even though they are barely waves. It's an interesting paradox because may products that work for type 4a hair can weigh my hair down and make it look stringy. But products for silkier type 3s can leave my hair thirsty and dry.

 

[kblc06]

I completely agree with this. Sometimes I'm on the cuff as to whether I'm a type 3 mix or just 4a/b/3c because in a completely dry state, I have a ton of shrinkage and frizz and my hair most definitely looks like type 4 hair. But when I use a lot of the staples that most type 4s use, my hair looks a stringy mess with barely any wave. The individual strands don't actually coil into anything appearing like ringlets unless I manipulate them that way, they're just elongated or shrunken S-waves that can easily look as loose as 2c hair or as tight as 4a/b hair

And just to add to what I was saying before.

When someone comes in here and starts complaining about how a certain curl defining product didn't work for them and didn't define, people are always quick to say things like, "It will only define what's already there," and "It doesn't CREATE curls, just enhances them." and stuff like that.

But when someone shows a picture of their hair with a curl defining product in it and asks to be typed it's like, "Oh, you have to take a pic of your hair freshly washed with no product." and "We can't accurately type you if you've got product in your hair."

Lol... so... which is it?

And, in fact, I think (and hair typing to me, like I said in the other thread, is only useful when it comes to styling so this is not that serious) that it is EASIER to type someone when their curl pattern is defined with product, because when without product, a lot of people's curl pattern's are frizzy, and the curl pattern is hidden in the frizz, therefore making it harder to see.

And in regards to what @iri9109 and @Kurlee were saying, I agree with both of your points. With @iri9109 I agree that dry hair should be the most accurate way to type hair, but I also agree with @Kurlee that the problem with dry hair typing is it's harder to see the curl pattern.

So, the solution to both of these?

Type hair dry, and WITH curl defining products! The hair will be dry so it is not being weighed down by water, and the hair will retain the curl pattern that shows up when it's wet. win/win

(sorry for the long post )

 

[empressri]

^^

best explanation ever. this is why i dont even like putting my hair in one category cause it might look 3 something to one person and act like 4 something if that makes sense. cause my hair might not be as tight as a 4b BUT I have a 50% if not greater shrinkage factor and I can use the most moisturizing and heavy things on my hair cause it's thirsty.

 

[greenandchic]

I guess when she starts growing back that patch in the front we can see how her hair would have looked like in a TWA.....

That woman got some much hair, I almost forgot a portion is shaved off!

 

[CurlsBazillion]

Re: guess this hair type.....:-0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTJBfe6lzDo

since we understand Andre's typing system is subjective.... in the video above please select (in the poll ONLY) which hair type YOU see

(poll attached


pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez please voting only in this thread
pretty please with 2 cherries & a booger on top

lol @ all these pages of dead debate, we are all so strong minded that none of us will be swayed to think differently about this subject. When it comes to hair typing IMO its pretty much completely irrelevant. I believe HairCrush is 4a and you (the reader) believes she isn't and I agree to disagree

 

[chebaby]

i voted 4a but now i think shes a 4b. i think if her hair was much shorter it would stick straight up and it would look as if her hair grows out and up instead of down. however since her hair has so much weight to it it hangs which stretches the curls.

also a few more points. if i typed my hair while it was wet and naked i would be a 3b. my wet hair hangs down in big waves.
when my hair is dry and naked it is a 3c 4a.
when dry with product it is still a 3c 4a except there is less frizz and a tiny bit more shine.

and also i wear my hair naked almost every single weekend. infact the only reason why i use products at all is because during the work week i do braid outs and i only moisturize the day i set the braid out. so during the week i dont moisturize at all and am not sure how my hair will hold up for a whole week without a moisturizer.