Faith Healers: Real or False?

[Shimmie]

To the bolded. That is coming from Genesis 3:15, the Seed is Christ. And the bruised heal speaks of Christ’s heel that was bruised when his feet were pierced and nailed to the cross. The enemity is that Christ would come and destroy the works of the devil and the bruising of His heal is His death on the Cross.

Mary was a blessed woman but she needed a Savior. as she declared in Luke 1:47 “. . . and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. . .”Mary recognized that she needed a Savior. We were never instructed to look to Mary. "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 2 Timothy 2:15

Also, Mary did not die a virgin. She was able to come together with her husband Joseph after the birth of Christ. She went on to have children with her husband.

This is a very important point, that Mary did not remain a virgin. She was joined to her husband Joseph.

 

[BostonMaria]

If anyone is interested in attending a faith healing ministry in Mass, please PM me.

We have the power of Christ inside us to heal ourselves and also to cast out demons, we just have to have faith. I pray over headaches and colds before I grab medicine LOL I've been frustrated at the fact that I haven't been able to conceive a child. I know the power is in me. I just need to have more faith.


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[Shimmie]

If anyone is interested in attending a faith healing ministry in Mass, please PM me.

We have the power of Christ inside us to heal ourselves and also to cast out demons, we just have to have faith. I pray over headaches and colds before I grab medicine LOL I've been frustrated at the fact that I haven't been able to conceive a child. I know the power is in me. I just need to have more faith.


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Sarah, Rachel, Hannah and Elizabeth . . .

God opened their wombs.

 

[Laela]

Don't want to speak for her, but @ the bolded, I believe that's what BostonMaria is saying... someone who has received the Holy Spirit can lay hands on themselves and pray for themselves and be healed of physical infirmity. No music needed...

But I will say God dwells/inhabits in the praises of His People. He is present where He is welcome...

On that note, when that woman with the issue of blood pushed through a heavy crowd, she literally applied Faith (activated her belief) and was made whole. Now, remember, this woman had spent all her money, going to doctors for help but they couldn't do anything for her. I'm not advocating not going to doctors, who have gift of healing, esp if the Holy Spirit guides us to. But why couldn't those doctors help this woman. Were they just taking her money, knowing they can't do anything for her? Could it be they didn't help her because she had to get to that place on that day where she met Jesus? hmmm..

I believe there are times God allows miracles to let it be clear Who is healer! Like he did with Gideon and his army.... the Medianites had to know it was God they were fighting when He cut Gideon's army to size. Not to prove He is God but to let those giants know it was not the Israelites they were fighting, despite their skillfulness. They were wearing the Armor of God.

With this woman with the issue of blood, God did the healing but it was her faith that allowed Him to heal. As intercessors, like you did for your children, we exercise our faith, through prayer. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, vested in us, we have authority to command demons (aka spiritual bullies). It is not US the demons see, but the Holy Spirit in us, that causes them to tremble. So we ought not think highly of ourselves when gifted with the power of the Holy Spirit. It is not us! On healers,

Jesus told the disciples in Mark 9:

38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

40 For he that is not against us is on our part


Later on in this same chapter, He says:

42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

He goes on to instruct believers on how to maintain their own faith, through sacrifice (repentance, or turn away from):

43 And if your hand puts a stumbling block before you and causes you to sin, cut it off! It is more profitable and wholesome for you to go into life [that is really worthwhile] maimed than with two hands to go to hell (Gehenna), into the fire that cannot be put out.[t]

45 And if your foot is a cause of stumbling and sin to you, cut it off! It is more profitable and wholesome for you to enter into life [that is really worthwhile] crippled than, having two feet, to be cast into hell (Gehenna).

47 And if your eye causes you to stumble and sin, pluck it out! It is more profitable and wholesome for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell (Gehenna),

48 Where their worm [[v]which preys on the inhabitants and is a symbol of the wounds inflicted on the man himself by his sins] does not die, and the fire is not put out.

49 For everyone shall be salted with fire.

50 Salt is good (beneficial), but if salt has lost its saltness, how will you restore [the saltness to] it? Have salt within yourselves, and be at peace and live in harmony with one another.

I say all that to say, ITA with your post.. lol

Jesus plainly said that we would lay hands and the sick and they would recover.

To this day, my children and grandbabies rarely get sick and when they do... Ummm, yeah, we break out the oil and pray over one another.

I'll never forget the first time i prayed for my son when he was a child.

He was shivering and couldn't stop. He was lying on his bed and he told me that his body ached all over. I felt his head for a temperature and it was quite warm.

I laid hands on my baby, and prayed for his healing and I commanded the devil to take his hands off of my son who is God's property.

I went to get some soup for my son and when I went back into his room, he was sitting up in his bed as if nothing was ever wrong. There was no fever and the shaking had stopped. He said that his body didn't hurt anymore.

We gave the glory to God and praised Him for healing my son.

NOW, had my son's symptoms had not ceased, I would have taken him to the hospital. That's utilizing God's wisdom and not my humanity. I would still be in faith, because I always seek God for what action I should take. During prayer, I'm 'listening' to His wisdom and direction.

This may seem 'counter-faith', but it's not, it's using God's wisdom.

 

[Shimmie]

Don't want to speak for her, but @ the bolded, I believe that's what BostonMaria is saying... someone who has received the Holy Spirit can lay hands on themselves and pray for themselves and be healed of physical infirmity. No music needed...

But I will say God dwells/inhabits in the praises of His People. He is present where He is welcome...

On that note, when that woman with the issue of blood pushed through a heavy crowd, she literally applied Faith (activated her belief) and was made whole. Now, remember, this woman had spent all her money, going to doctors for help but they couldn't do anything for her. I'm not advocating not going to doctors, who have gift of healing, esp if the Holy Spirit guides us to. But why couldn't those doctors help this woman. Were they just taking her money, knowing they can't do anything for her? Could it be they didn't help her because she had to get to that place on that day where she met Jesus? hmmm..

I believe there are times God allows miracles to let it be clear Who is healer! Like he did with Gideon and his army.... the Medianites had to know it was God they were fighting when He cut Gideon's army to size. Not to prove He is God but to let those giants know it was not the Israelites they were fighting, despite their skillfulness. They were wearing the Armor of God.

With this woman with the issue of blood, God did the healing but it was her faith that allowed Him to heal. As intercessors, like you did for your children, we exercise our faith, through prayer. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, vested in us, we have authority to command demons (aka spiritual bullies). It is not US the demons see, but the Holy Spirit in us, that causes them to tremble. So we ought not think highly of ourselves when gifted with the power of the Holy Spirit. It is not us! On healers,

Jesus told the disciples in Mark 9:

38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

40 For he that is not against us is on our part


Later on in this same chapter, He says:

42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

He goes on to instruct believers on how to maintain their own faith, through sacrifice (repentance, or turn away from):

43 And if your hand puts a stumbling block before you and causes you to sin, cut it off! It is more profitable and wholesome for you to go into life [that is really worthwhile] maimed than with two hands to go to hell (Gehenna), into the fire that cannot be put out.[t]

45 And if your foot is a cause of stumbling and sin to you, cut it off! It is more profitable and wholesome for you to enter into life [that is really worthwhile] crippled than, having two feet, to be cast into hell (Gehenna).

47 And if your eye causes you to stumble and sin, pluck it out! It is more profitable and wholesome for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell (Gehenna),

48 Where their worm [[v]which preys on the inhabitants and is a symbol of the wounds inflicted on the man himself by his sins] does not die, and the fire is not put out.

49 For everyone shall be salted with fire.

50 Salt is good (beneficial), but if salt has lost its saltness, how will you restore [the saltness to] it? Have salt within yourselves, and be at peace and live in harmony with one another.

I say all that to say, ITA with your post.. lol

Laela Rose :Rose:

Thanks Love...

Question: I don't get the Boston Maria nor the 'music' reference in your first paragraph.

I'll re-read it later in the morning. It's after 1:00 a.m. I need to lay back down Right now, I'm not making / seeing the connection to my post.

:blowkiss:

 

[Guitarhero]

I guess the distinction should have been made betwee those who claim to be faith healers but were found out to have been false and those who are obedient to the Church/Bible. He certainly does perform miracles!!! If you notice, most of those people who have been healed get checked by their physicians. I didn't want to leave the impression that I believe they do not exist.

 

[Guitarhero]

To the bolded. That is coming from Genesis 3:15, the Seed is Christ. And the bruised heal speaks of Christ’s heel that was bruised when his feet were pierced and nailed to the cross. The enemity is that Christ would come and destroy the works of the devil and the bruising of His heal is His death on the Cross.

Mary was a blessed woman but she needed a Savior. as she declared in Luke 1:47 “. . . and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. . .”Mary recognized that she needed a Savior. We were never instructed to look to Mary. "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 2 Timothy 2:15

Also, Mary did not die a virgin. She was able to come together with her husband Joseph after the birth of Christ. She went on to have children with her husband.

"When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, 'Woman, behold, your son!'. Then he said to the disciple, 'Behold, your mother!’" (Jn 19:26-27).

We disagree on that one, about her perpetual virginity and dedication of her womb solely to Jesus, as well as the mission Christ gave her as mother of all. She had no other natural children. But we're not from the same church. Please know, Laela, I'm just explaining this so it's not an attempt to force you. I'm so sorry I'm putting everything in this one post..I know it's incredibly long. But I feel I must explain it. I realize you do not believe. You don't have to at all and I respect that. For us, the significance of the blessed apparition in Mexico and her image...reads many things. One Bread had a reading recently during Advent which easily condenses it:

Rv 11:19a; 12:1-6a, 10ab
God's temple in heaven was opened,
and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple.

A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun,
with the moon under her feet,
and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.
Then another sign appeared in the sky;
it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns,
and on its heads were seven diadems.
Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky
and hurled them down to the earth.
Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth,
to devour her child when she gave birth.
She gave birth to a son, a male child,
destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.
Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
The woman herself fled into the desert
where she had a place prepared by God.

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
"Now have salvation and power come,
and the Kingdom of our God
and the authority of his Anointed."



Zechariah 2:14-17
View Readings Judith 13:18-19 Luke 1:39-47
Similar Reflections

THE CONQUERING QUEEN-MOTHER

"Blest are you among women and blest is the Fruit of your womb. But who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" —Luke 1:42-43


The title "Guadalupe" is probably a misunderstanding of the Indian word, "Tecoatlaxope," meaning: "she will crush the serpent of stone." This is a prophetic revelation that Mary is "a great sign...a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars" (Rv 12:1). Mary leads all Christians in accepting her Son's power to quickly crush Satan (Rm 16:20; Gn 3:15).

The writer of Song of Songs prophesied and questioned: "Who is this that comes forth like the dawn, as beautiful as the moon, as resplendent as the sun, as awe-inspiring as bannered troops?" (Sg 6:10) Mary is the answer to that mysterious question. Mary is a great sign of victory because she is the mother of Jesus, Who is the Commander-in-Chief of the armies of heaven (Rv 19:14). She is the mother of the One called "The Faithful and True" (Rv 19:11), Whose name is the Word of God (Rv 19:13) and the "King of kings and Lord of lords" (Rv 19:16). She is the conquering queen-mother of the all-conquering King, and she is the adoptive mother of followers of this King, who are more than conquerors in Him (Rm 8:37).

Believe and conquer! Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us.

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I truly hope I don't cause harm or fear nor worry for anybody. I just have to explain since the question was brought up. It's fully scriptural and likewise refers to the body of Christ...but we disagree on those points.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

"When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, 'Woman, behold, your son!'. Then he said to the disciple, 'Behold, your mother!’" (Jn 19:26-27).

We disagree on that one, about her perpetual virginity and dedication of her womb solely to Jesus, as well as the mission Christ gave her as mother of all. She had no other natural children. But we're not from the same church. Please know, Laela, I'm just explaining this so it's not an attempt to force you. I'm so sorry I'm putting everything in this one post..I know it's incredibly long. But I feel I must explain it. I realize you do not believe. You don't have to at all and I respect that. For us, the significance of the blessed apparition in Mexico and her image...reads many things. One Bread had a reading recently during Advent which easily condenses it:

Rv 11:19a; 12:1-6a, 10ab
God's temple in heaven was opened,
and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple.

A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun,
with the moon under her feet,
and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.
Then another sign appeared in the sky;
it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns,
and on its heads were seven diadems.
Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky
and hurled them down to the earth.
Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth,
to devour her child when she gave birth.
She gave birth to a son, a male child,
destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.
Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
The woman herself fled into the desert
where she had a place prepared by God.

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
"Now have salvation and power come,
and the Kingdom of our God
and the authority of his Anointed."




Zechariah 2:14-17
View Readings Judith 13:18-19 Luke 1:39-47
Similar Reflections

THE CONQUERING QUEEN-MOTHER

"Blest are you among women and blest is the Fruit of your womb. But who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" —Luke 1:42-43


The title "Guadalupe" is probably a misunderstanding of the Indian word, "Tecoatlaxope," meaning: "she will crush the serpent of stone." This is a prophetic revelation that Mary is "a great sign...a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars" (Rv 12:1). Mary leads all Christians in accepting her Son's power to quickly crush Satan (Rm 16:20; Gn 3:15).

The writer of Song of Songs prophesied and questioned: "Who is this that comes forth like the dawn, as beautiful as the moon, as resplendent as the sun, as awe-inspiring as bannered troops?" (Sg 6:10) Mary is the answer to that mysterious question. Mary is a great sign of victory because she is the mother of Jesus, Who is the Commander-in-Chief of the armies of heaven (Rv 19:14). She is the mother of the One called "The Faithful and True" (Rv 19:11), Whose name is the Word of God (Rv 19:13) and the "King of kings and Lord of lords" (Rv 19:16). She is the conquering queen-mother of the all-conquering King, and she is the adoptive mother of followers of this King, who are more than conquerors in Him (Rm 8:37).

Believe and conquer! Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us.

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I truly hope I don't cause harm or fear nor worry for anybody. I just have to explain since the question was brought up. It's fully scriptural and likewise refers to the body of Christ...but we disagree on those points.

Guitarhero

I have never heard anyone say that Mary led them to Jesus. Where is that in scripture?

You have to look at the Word and not man-made doctrine. Now lets examine the Word.

The Father draws us to Christ. That is to incline the mind to believe. There is no mention of Mary.

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44

He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him." John 6:65

But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." John 12:32

- It is the Seed, which is CHRIST not Mary. It shall bruise thy head and thou shalt bruise His Heel.

Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."


-Also Mary gave birth to other children.

"Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?" Matthew 13:55


She did not die virgin. This is talking about Joseph not 'knowing' her until after the birth of Christ.

"And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." Matthew 1:25


-John 19:26-27- Jesus told his disciples to take his mother and take care of her. Look at verse 27.

"When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!" 27' Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own [home]."
　

- Also, the Woman in Revelation 12 is not believed to be Mary but it represents Israel or the Church. While it is true that Mary gave birth to Jesus, it is also true that Jesus, the son of David from the tribe of Judah, came from Israel.
The woman, representing Israel or the Church. The dragon, representing Satan. The man-child, referring to Jesus. Scripturally, this woman clothed with the sun should be identified with Israel, according to Joseph’s dream (Genesis 37:9-11). In that dream, the sun represents Jacob, the moon represents Joseph’s mother Rachel, and the eleven stars are the sons of Israel which bow down to Joseph. In this sign with twelve stars, Joseph is now "among" the other tribes of Israel.