Faith Healers: Real or False?
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SummerSolstice
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This is a good topic which brings 'awareness' to the surface.
The term 'faith healer' is suspect as it tends to give glory and the focus of healing upon the 'human being' and not upon the true Healer who is God.
Right I think this and other "ministries" like it are self-righteous acts. There is a "look what I can do" air about these faith healers.
SummerSolstice, thank you. What's scarey is that it has too many 'broken' people looking to one person who can 'heal them'.
No matter who prays, it's still God who does the healing.
BostonMaria
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We all have the ability to heal ourselves with the Word of God. By His stripes we are healed. My church has a healing ministry and I've seen people get delivered from diseases.
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SummerSolstice
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its even better when they do the vacuums and blenders
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3xCVzScmSg
watch how the lady in the beginning spoke about the healer instead of the TRUE HEALER. interesting video as a whole.
I think that prayer does indeed do powerful things but prayer can also lead you to a REAL doctor to give you REAL medicine. God does give us tools.
ktykaty
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Guitarhero
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ktykaty
Pastors whose ministry involves services focused upon supernatural healings. There are those who are not pastors as well. It takes on a negative connotation because many of the television evangelists have been exposed as fake in that, there were no supernatural healings. Guerir une personne selon la foi en Jesus ou en Dieu. Moi, je crois dans les guerisons a Lourdes et Medugorje.
Pastors whose ministry involves services focused upon supernatural healings. There are those who are not pastors as well. It takes on a negative connotation because many of the television evangelists have been exposed as fake in that, there were no supernatural healings. Guerir une personne selon la foi en Jesus ou en Dieu. Moi, je crois dans les guerisons a Lourdes et Medugorje.
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ktykaty
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OK. Thanks.I used to go to a "healing service" in a Parisian parish. It's a healing ministry, and it's clear that the one and only healer is Jesus. It doesn't look like what you describe.
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Guitarhero
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There are absolute healings...however, some of these people are using it for financial gain and they string folks along who need a healing (they pay to attend some of these services). Benny Hinn ...check out his info.
I know of a healing that took place (well, let's say "miraculous and spontaneous healing" cuz if we overcome a cold, that's a healing) of the Virgin Mary. A married woman of children, devout catholic, suffered from breast cancer and was sure she would die. I can't remember exactly the time-frame of her prayers...but one night, Jesus had sent his mother to cut out her cancer. She was aware of it and endured the pain of it. Our Lady cut it out and by the next morning, when she awakened, she wasn't sure if it had been a dream, but there was no lump, a surgical scar of sorts, and a white cloth stained with blood in the shape of a cross on it. I think it had been lain over her chest. This lady went to her physician was treating her and her cancer had been removed and healed.
We've had the services of faith healing at our church but they take no money. It's just another mass. Whether the offering goes to help that other ministry, I'm not sure (I think they dedicate a second offering). Our church believes very much in healing and pray, unction for the sick and intentions/mass offerings, alms etc. I just become sad that people are abusing this. There have been many people, protestant and universal church (catholic, orthodox etc.) who have been gifted with healing. Some of these on television are STEALING from the children of G-d.
I know of a healing that took place (well, let's say "miraculous and spontaneous healing" cuz if we overcome a cold, that's a healing) of the Virgin Mary. A married woman of children, devout catholic, suffered from breast cancer and was sure she would die. I can't remember exactly the time-frame of her prayers...but one night, Jesus had sent his mother to cut out her cancer. She was aware of it and endured the pain of it. Our Lady cut it out and by the next morning, when she awakened, she wasn't sure if it had been a dream, but there was no lump, a surgical scar of sorts, and a white cloth stained with blood in the shape of a cross on it. I think it had been lain over her chest. This lady went to her physician was treating her and her cancer had been removed and healed.
We've had the services of faith healing at our church but they take no money. It's just another mass. Whether the offering goes to help that other ministry, I'm not sure (I think they dedicate a second offering). Our church believes very much in healing and pray, unction for the sick and intentions/mass offerings, alms etc. I just become sad that people are abusing this. There have been many people, protestant and universal church (catholic, orthodox etc.) who have been gifted with healing. Some of these on television are STEALING from the children of G-d.
makeupgirl
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There are absolute healings...however, some of these people are using it for financial gain and they string folks along who need a healing (they pay to attend some of these services). Benny Hinn ...check out his info.
I know of a healing that took place (well, let's say "miraculous and spontaneous healing" cuz if we overcome a cold, that's a healing) of the Virgin Mary. A married woman of children, devout catholic, suffered from breast cancer and was sure she would die. I can't remember exactly the time-frame of her prayers...but one night, Jesus had sent his mother to cut out her cancer. She was aware of it and endured the pain of it. Our Lady cut it out and by the next morning, when she awakened, she wasn't sure if it had been a dream, but there was no lump, a surgical scar of sorts, and a white cloth stained with blood in the shape of a cross on it. I think it had been lain over her chest. This lady went to her physician was treating her and her cancer had been removed and healed.
We've had the services of faith healing at our church but they take no money. It's just another mass. Whether the offering goes to help that other ministry, I'm not sure (I think they dedicate a second offering). Our church believes very much in healing and pray, unction for the sick and intentions/mass offerings, alms etc. I just become sad that people are abusing this. There have been many people, protestant and universal church (catholic, orthodox etc.) who have been gifted with healing. Some of these on television are STEALING from the children of G-d.
Why would Jesus send his mother? If the woman was healed, it was by God himself but also because she had faith that God will heal her. It's with Jesus' stripes that we are healed, even when our infirmities are not healed when we want it to be.
There are absolute healings...however, some of these people are using it for financial gain and they string folks along who need a healing (they pay to attend some of these services). Benny Hinn ...check out his info.
I know of a healing that took place (well, let's say "miraculous and spontaneous healing" cuz if we overcome a cold, that's a healing) of the Virgin Mary. A married woman of children, devout catholic, suffered from breast cancer and was sure she would die. I can't remember exactly the time-frame of her prayers...but one night, Jesus had sent his mother to cut out her cancer. She was aware of it and endured the pain of it. Our Lady cut it out and by the next morning, when she awakened, she wasn't sure if it had been a dream, but there was no lump, a surgical scar of sorts, and a white cloth stained with blood in the shape of a cross on it. I think it had been lain over her chest. This lady went to her physician was treating her and her cancer had been removed and healed.
We've had the services of faith healing at our church but they take no money. It's just another mass. Whether the offering goes to help that other ministry, I'm not sure (I think they dedicate a second offering). Our church believes very much in healing and pray, unction for the sick and intentions/mass offerings, alms etc. I just become sad that people are abusing this. There have been many people, protestant and universal church (catholic, orthodox etc.) who have been gifted with healing. Some of these on television are STEALING from the children of G-d.
I can't tell you how many times I've witnessed as well as experienced God's healing in the lives of me, my family, my friends and those whom I've prayed with and for. God gets all of the glory.
Two years ago, my cousins husband had a cancerous growth on the side of his nose which affected his left eye. After numerous exams, it was determined by the doctors at Johns Hopkins Hospital that his eye would have to be removed to save his life.
Our Church and family prayed and fasted for two weeks; no one wanted him to lose his eye, let alone his life.
One morning, he was in the bathroom and the growth on his face fell off and into the sink.
YES ... that's exactly what happened. The cancerous growth on his face fell off and into the bathroom sink.
We have medical evidence from several doctors from different hospitals during the months of his illness that all said that he would have to have his eye removed and still undergo radiation treatment.
God answered prayer. God healed my cousin's husband from cancer and saved his eye and to this day, we ALL still stand amazed at what God did and how He did it.
Any healing that takes place in our lives comes from God and God alone. It's God's Word and it's not changing. No other source or human can take credit for what God has designed.
ktykaty
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The very term "faith healers" bother me. Do those people think they are like God ? Do they compare themselves to the Holy Spirit ? Don't they know they are only the vessel the Power of God use ? Don't they know how powerless they truly are ? What about humility ?
It's a sad day when so called minister do not recognize that it's God who gives the gift of healing (cf 1Co 12). Supernatural healings are biblical, but it's must always be clear for the person who is healed and for the witnesses that it's the Power of God who does the healing. All miracles and charisma are given for the edification of the Church. If the Church is not edified, there's a huge problem.
This whole " faith healers" thing does not sit well with my spiriterplexed.
It's a sad day when so called minister do not recognize that it's God who gives the gift of healing (cf 1Co 12)
. Supernatural healings are biblical, but it's must always be clear for the person who is healed and for the witnesses that it's the Power of God who does the healing. All miracles and charisma are given for the edification of the Church. If the Church is not edified, there's a huge problem.This whole " faith healers" thing does not sit well with my spirit
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ktykaty
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God delegates his power.
Whether it's a doctor, a healing service, so and so prayer, a priest, a pastor, the Virgin Mary, or ..., they are only vessel of the Holy Spirit. It's the Power of God who heals. All the glory still goes to Him.
its even better when they do the vacuums and blenders
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3xCVzScmSg
watch how the lady in the beginning spoke about the healer instead of the TRUE HEALER. interesting video as a whole.
I think that prayer does indeed do powerful things but prayer can also lead you to a REAL doctor to give you REAL medicine. God does give us tools.
I believe also that prayer can lead one to a doctor that God wants to use in the healing process. Doctors can be used to explain to a patient what they are doing or not doing to cause a certain illness or symptom.
While I prefer the 'Natural Health Route', I will not rule out doctors and certain medications. Depending on where I am or what I'm doing, if I have to take a Tylenol or Advil, so be it rather than 'suffer' through the discomfort. But I'm still praying.
More times than not, taking Lycopene (supplement) prevents / eliminates headaches. I often eat tomato soup for the Lycopene effect and it works; especially when work is hectic.
Even more often, prayer and a glass of water takes care of a headache.
makeupgirl
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God delegates his power.
Whether it's a doctor, a healing service, so and so prayer, a priest, a pastor, the Virgin Mary, or ..., they are only vessel of the Holy Spirit. It's the Power of God who heals. All the glory still goes to Him.
I understand that and yep that's my point, all glory goes to God and comes from God. I just don't understand and maybe it was the wording in the post about Jesus sending Mary to heal the woman. How did she know? Did Mary reveal herself? Did Jesus tell her "hey look here is my mama"? I mean I'm not trying to be difficult, I just don't understand. And I guess I'm not understanding because I always thought it was by faith in God's regarding his healing power that we're healed, according to his purpose. Even when he doesn't heal at that moment, we're still to have faith that he will and that we are already healed through his stripes. But also that sometimes, someone may be sick or has some type of illness or infirmities for reasons beyond our own understanding; whether it's to be a blessing to someone, whether it's humbling, but whatever the reason, utimately God is going to be glorified because he's the only one that can heal. Everything that is done is according to his time, which includes our healing.
Again, not trying to be difficult or saying that I don't believe. Just need help in understanding this a little bit more, if I have missed something in my studies.
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No, she did what God moved her to do. Jesus plainly said that we would lay hands and the sick and they would recover.
To this day, my children and grandbabies rarely get sick and when they do... Ummm, yeah, we break out the oil and pray over one another.
I'll never forget the first time i prayed for my son when he was a child.
He was shivering and couldn't stop. He was lying on his bed and he told me that his body ached all over. I felt his head for a temperature and it was quite warm.
I laid hands on my baby, and prayed for his healing and I commanded the devil to take his hands off of my son who is God's property.
I went to get some soup for my son and when I went back into his room, he was sitting up in his bed as if nothing was ever wrong. There was no fever and the shaking had stopped. He said that his body didn't hurt anymore.
We gave the glory to God and praised Him for healing my son.
NOW, had my son's symptoms had not ceased, I would have taken him to the hospital. That's utilizing God's wisdom and not my humanity. I would still be in faith, because I always seek God for what action I should take. During prayer, I'm 'listening' to His wisdom and direction.
This may seem 'counter-faith', but it's not, it's using God's wisdom.
Rainbow Dash
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At the bolded....this happened to a friend's grandmother. She a had a growth on her leg. They prayed and fasted.
While she was taking a bath IT FELL OFF!! God is soo good.
At the bolded....this happened to a friend's grandmother. She a had a growth on her leg. They prayed and fasted.
God is awesome, indeed.
I call that the 'Jesus 'fig tree' annointing; where 'growths/cysts', etc., dry up like the fig tree when Jesus cursed it and wither and die.
Rainbow Dash
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I think you have to look at who is receiving the glory. Is God being glorfied as the healer or is the person being glorified. Does their teaching line up with the Word of God? Or do they have a different doctrine?
Many 'faith healers' that are false find themselves getting the glory as though they are on the same level as God. This is why we have to be careful. Some may have gifts of healing (from God) but be tainted by pride, self seeking, and the devil.
“.....to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,” 1 Corinthians 12:9
Also, the enemy raisies up his false, heretical people to cause people to stray and fall into deception.
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Matthew 7
Many 'faith healers' that are false find themselves getting the glory as though they are on the same level as God. This is why we have to be careful. Some may have gifts of healing (from God) but be tainted by pride, self seeking, and the devil.
“.....to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,” 1 Corinthians 12:9
Also, the enemy raisies up his false, heretical people to cause people to stray and fall into deception.
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Matthew 7
Thank you for posting this, as it gives clarity and understanding to what happened in the case posted upwards regarding the Mother Mary who came and healed the woman in her sleep.
Too often Mary, the mother of Jesus has been given diety when in truth she is a human being whom God was pleased to bring forth the birth of Jesus.
This is not to mimimize her great 'gift' as being the mother of Jesus, however she is still not to be worshipped as God.
Guitarhero
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Oh, that message for was a fellow catholic who comprehends the fullness of the church and its gifts. She is certainly not a deity. When we get to heaven, we're not going to be sitting down and waiting at the table for the angels to bring out the Leviathan meal, we're going to be active until all is done...and probably thereafter. We work for the kingdom so others will receive salvation as well. Jesus loved his motherd. He honored her. Everything she does is to crush the serpent and lead men to her Son. She is spoken of through scripture, pre-figured and in the Gospels. What is her role? Queen mother of the Great King. So, whether one believes this as its in scripture is dependent upon their understanding. Mary, Our Lady, is not G-d and has never been proclaimed by G-d by us. You don't have to believe that...you don't have to even entertain the idea. For us, we respect her and honor her, not worship her.
You know, my father, who passed away a year or so beforehand, appeared to us in a car accident, avoiding a collision in what would have taken all our lives. Is he worshipped as G-d? No. But he was sent by Jesus to do this work for his daughter still in this life. G-d uses whom He will and these relationships are what we refer to as the communion of the saints. It does not mean that once the soul leaves the body, that it doesn't face the judgement. So, in my response to Katytv, a fellow catholic, we're touching base concerning those who whose messages are tested and approved regarding the healing gift G-d has given. Yes, G-d does work the miraculous vis those of us in this life and those beyond. I didn't comprehend the Virgin Mary until I myself had several encounter with her and she led me to Jesus in person. That is not Satan.
Disclaimer: I am not ashamed to be a catholic. I give catholic responses particularly when there are other catholics in the same thread. I won't change that as you are not expected to change your own denominational point of theological view. We're used to being told we're "deceived" but we understand...I understand and am not angry.
You know, my father, who passed away a year or so beforehand, appeared to us in a car accident, avoiding a collision in what would have taken all our lives. Is he worshipped as G-d? No. But he was sent by Jesus to do this work for his daughter still in this life. G-d uses whom He will and these relationships are what we refer to as the communion of the saints. It does not mean that once the soul leaves the body, that it doesn't face the judgement. So, in my response to Katytv, a fellow catholic, we're touching base concerning those who whose messages are tested and approved regarding the healing gift G-d has given. Yes, G-d does work the miraculous vis those of us in this life and those beyond. I didn't comprehend the Virgin Mary until I myself had several encounter with her and she led me to Jesus in person. That is not Satan.
Disclaimer: I am not ashamed to be a catholic. I give catholic responses particularly when there are other catholics in the same thread. I won't change that as you are not expected to change your own denominational point of theological view. We're used to being told we're "deceived" but we understand...I understand and am not angry.
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Guitarhero
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Why would Jesus send you or someone from India or Rhode Island? Same reasons.
This was just that lady's experience related to what Katytv and I comprehend to be very active healing phenomena concerning the Church at various places like Lourdes where healings are still happening. But those people go to the doctors as evidence.
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Rainbow Dash
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To the bolded. That is coming from Genesis 3:15, the Seed is Christ. And the bruised heal speaks of Christ’s heel that was bruised when his feet were pierced and nailed to the cross. The enemity is that Christ would come and destroy the works of the devil and the bruising of His heal is His death on the Cross.
Mary was a blessed woman but she needed a Savior. as she declared in Luke 1:47 “. . . and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. . .”Mary recognized that she needed a Savior. We were never instructed to look to Mary. "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 2 Timothy 2:15
Also, Mary did not die a virgin. She was able to come together with her husband Joseph after the birth of Christ. She went on to have children with her husband.
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ktykaty
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That's usually true for the believers. but sometimes, the Lord operates miracles or supernatural healing just to prove that He is God. The miracle is a big old unmissable sign that God is real and almighty. It's a way to trigger or strengthen faith.
As far as Mary is concerned, I don't know this particular case. But, most of the times, she reveals herself and she leads you to Jesus. A sure sign to test the spirit and verify if it's really Her or any other saint is that they points clearly to Jesus. Mary is all about Jesus.
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makeupgirl
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ktykaty
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Shimmie,
Thanks for the kind words.
Mary is not a deity, she is a saint. We Catholics do believe in the communion of the saints differently from the protestant. It's OK. But I cannot let anyone believe that we deify the saints.
A saint, in heaven or on this earth is basically a vessel of the Lord. A tool that He can use to do His Perfect Will. To be a member of the Body of Christ means being the hands, the feet or the mouth of the Lord.
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Ga 2:20
PS: We do test the spirit to make sure that we deal with a member of the body of Christ and not a counterfeit.
Have a blessed day.
Bonne et heureuse année 2012.
Thank you for correcting me. I also apologize for making that assumption.
AND I'm glad you received my loving greetings in French. It still blows me away that we are actually communicating across the world.
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