Etae Carmelux Ingredients..........NO Longer 'NATURAL'

[Lucky's Mom]

I hope this helps someone.

Sixty dollars is pretty steep for products that are well, IMO, using stuff that anyone can buy at Whole Foods...

So - Etae goes in the direction of others like Carol's Daughter.

Everything was working well with Carmel and the other organic conditioners ( according to the ETAE salon and stylists there, their former products were giving great results.....)

But - now.....
They are no longer 100% natural.

There was no shampoo marketed by the company before... now - they have one.
I thought something was sort of fishy when I saw SOOO MUCH SUDSING on her videos....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjPwbJiu7bw

Anyway.......

Carmelux Shampoo
Cocomidpropyl Betaine, Cocomide MEA, water, Ceteral Alcohol, Apple Cider Vinegar, Milk and egg protien, olive oil, honey, molasses, Aloe Vera, Citric Acid, coconut oil, Flaxseed oil, jojoba oil, glycerin, Essential oils of: Ginger, tea tree, rosemary, bergamot, extracts of sage, basil, oregano, Burdock Root

Carmelux Conditioner
Aloe Vera, Ceteral Alcohol, Propelyne Glycol perplexed), Wheat Germ Oil, coconut oil, Rosemary, Lavendar and Bergamot oils.

Why???????

There was no need to add petrochems ( PEG) to the mix!!!!
Just my opinion....

Hope this helps someone.

Nature's gate Shampoos, and many others out there - are comparable....For less.

 

[cluelezz]

They had a shampoo bar before, but... I think they changed everything to increase profits

 

[BostonMaria]

Cocomidpropyl Betaine, Cocomide MEA,

Can you please tell me what's wrong with those two ingredients you posted? I'm still learning. I have no idea what they are.

 

[msa]

Can you please tell me what's wrong with those two ingredients you posted? I'm still learning. I have no idea what they are.

If you google them you'll get lots of information. I think the point is not so much that they're harmful but that they're not "natural" so if you're someone who's a stickler for that, then it something you should pay attention to.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Those two detergents aren't soo bad... however... Decyl Glucoside is much gentler, and - my beef is that the claim of all natural is now dead.

Charging 30 bucks for 12 oz of shampoo is totally outrageous, as well.

 

[bettybubble]

I hope this helps someone.

Sixty dollars is pretty steep for products that are well, IMO, using stuff that anyone can buy at Whole Foods...

So - Etae goes in the direction of others like Carol's Daughter.

Everything was working well with Carmel and the other organic conditioners ( according to the ETAE salon and stylists there, their former products were giving great results.....)

But - now.....
They are no longer 100% natural.

There was no shampoo marketed by the company before... now - they have one.
I thought something was sort of fishy when I saw SOOO MUCH SUDSING on her videos....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjPwbJiu7bw

Anyway.......

Carmelux Shampoo
Cocomidpropyl Betaine, Cocomide MEA, water, Ceteral Alcohol, Apple Cider Vinegar, Milk and egg protien, olive oil, honey, molasses, Aloe Vera, Citric Acid, coconut oil, Flaxseed oil, jojoba oil, glycerin, Essential oils of: Ginger, tea tree, rosemary, bergamot, extracts of sage, basil, oregano, Burdock Root

Carmelux Conditioner
Aloe Vera, Ceteral Alcohol, Propelyne Glycol perplexed), Wheat Germ Oil, coconut oil, Rosemary, Lavendar and Bergamot oils.

Why???????

There was no need to add petrochems ( PEG) to the mix!!!!
Just my opinion....

Hope this helps someone.

Nature's gate Shampoos, and many others out there - are comparable....For less.

HI THERE Cocomidpropyl Betaine, Cocomide MEA, Propelyne Glycol ARE MADE FROM FATTY ACIDS FROM COCONUT OIL. I CALLED THE COMPANY (1-800-768-3823) AND THEY WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL OF MY QUESTIONS... I HOPE THIS HELPED

 

[Miamori]

HI THERE Cocomidpropyl Betaine, Cocomide MEA, Propelyne Glycol ARE MADE FROM FATTY ACIDS FROM COCONUT OIL. I CALLED THE COMPANY (1-800-768-3823) AND THEY WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL OF MY QUESTIONS... I HOPE THIS HELPED

- sideye -

But, thanks for the response nevertheless.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

HI THERE Cocomidpropyl Betaine, Cocomide MEA, Propelyne Glycol ARE MADE FROM FATTY ACIDS FROM COCONUT OIL. I CALLED THE COMPANY (1-800-768-3823) AND THEY WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL OF MY QUESTIONS... I HOPE THIS HELPED

Ok - one post person..... I know exactly what the these products do... and there Petroleum derived manipulation...

That was not the point of my post - But WHATEVER.

 

[Miamori]

Ok - one post person..... I know exactly what the these products do... and there Petroleum derived manipulation...

That was not the point of my post - But WHATEVER.

I peeped that too. Hopefully, I can put the side eye away now.

 

[msa]

HI THERE Cocomidpropyl Betaine, Cocomide MEA, Propelyne Glycol ARE MADE FROM FATTY ACIDS FROM COCONUT OIL. I CALLED THE COMPANY (1-800-768-3823) AND THEY WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL OF MY QUESTIONS... I HOPE THIS HELPED

Hi Betty,

While it is true that those three ingredients have components that can be extracted from coconut oil, they must be reacted with other chemicals in order to become the finished ingredient you see in the list.

Companies, especially ones that like to use the "natural" label, do not have to be completely forthcoming with information and they usually aren't if they think it will increase their profits. A quick google search found the following information. (Yes, it's from Wikipedia but the information is repeated elsewhere).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocamide

Cocomidpropyl Betaine is made from coconut oil reacted with chemicals...Cocamidopropyl betaine is a derivate of cocamide and glycine betaine (a form of betaine).


Cocamide MEA It can be made from fatty acids in coconut oils, reacted with ethanolamine.

Propelyne Glycol is an organic compound (a diol alcohol)...Propylene glycol can also be converted from glycerol, a biodiesel byproduct.

I think whomever you talked to told you only part of the truth. Most of these ingredients have to be mixed with chemicals that are commonly petrochemicals or biodiesel byproducts. And, companies usually use those which are least natural because they are the cheapest. Since the cosmetic industry isn't regulated, they can pretty much say and write whatever they want and omit whatever they don't want you to see.

IMO, you should never just take their word for it if it's important for you to avoid certain things.

 

[Your Cheeziness]

If you google them you'll get lots of information. I think the point is not so much that they're harmful but that they're not "natural" so if you're someone who's a stickler for that, then it something you should pay attention to.

Those two detergents aren't soo bad... however... Decyl Glucoside is much gentler, and - my beef is that the claim of all natural is now dead.

Charging 30 bucks for 12 oz of shampoo is totally outrageous, as well.

*Thanks* Since the Thanks button is MIA

 

[jerseygurl]

HI THERE Cocomidpropyl Betaine, Cocomide MEA, Propelyne Glycol ARE MADE FROM FATTY ACIDS FROM COCONUT OIL. I CALLED THE COMPANY (1-800-768-3823) AND THEY WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL OF MY QUESTIONS... I HOPE THIS HELPED

Riiiiiigghhttt

 

[that_1_grrrl]

No. Someone did not just pay $6.50 to post that. Man, I could buy some Giovanni's or olive oil with that!

And $30-60 for Etae Carmelux?! Haha, I could buy so much from the store for my hair with that money. I would be on cloud 9.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Betty Bubbles ain't fooling the sisters here at LHCF.

Exposure and knowledge is everything.

 

[IrrationalThoughts]

I thought the same doggone thing...Why in the Sam Hill...there are products that could be bought...AND no one is going to take you seriously.

No. Someone did not just pay $6.50 to post that. Man, I could buy some Giovanni's or olive oil with that!

And $30-60 for Etae Carmelux?! Haha, I could buy so much from the store for my hair with that money. I would be on cloud 9.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

WARNING: I am not looking for an argument. I am a stickler for ingredient disclosure and truth in advertizing.
Please do not stone me or close the post.... It is about information.....

OK... one more - this is not a debate about anything... this is information for my peeps that like knowing what is in the product they purchase......

I have been walking away from thses kinds of products for years now... and since ETAE touted this "all Natural" stance.... I am appalled that they would - like CD products - change their mind.

All they need to say is 'mostly natural'.... They are using cheap fillers now. PEG is the cheapest 'humectent' on the market.

Cocomide MEA, and the pther surfactant is not that gentle.... so - It is not for my hair.
I could use Dawn, and add eggwhites and oil.... however, DAWN is too strong for my hair.


So - since ETAE - when they first came out - touted ALLL ORGANIC products, and they claim an improvement, there is no way there should be now synthetic ingredients...
that is my BEEF.
They have only had this stuff out for 6 months. They might see some changes in clients' hair shortly.

Ten Synthetic Cosmetic Ingredients to Avoid
By Aubrey Hampton

If you want natural products, you have to be willing to search them out. Learn to read labels, and refuse to settle for half-natural hair and skin care. Below I've listed and described my "ten most wanted" I most want to see off the labels of so-called natural hair and skin care products.

1. imidazolidinyl Urea and Diazolidinyl Urea — These are the most commonly used preservatives after the parabens. They are well established as a primary cause of contact dermatitis (American Academy of Dermatology). Two trade names for these chemicals are Germall II and Germall 115. Neither of the Germall chemicals have a good antifungal, and must be combined with other preservatives. Germall 115 releases formaldehyde at just over 10°. These chemicals are toxic.

2. Methyl and Propyl and Butyl and Ethyl Paraben — Used as inhibitors of microbial growth and to extend shelf life of products. Widely used even though they are known to be toxic. Have caused many allergic reactions and skin rashes. Methyl paraben combines benzoic acid with the methyl group of chemicals. Highly toxic.

3. Petrolatum — I see this on lip products from time to time, which is humorous to me because they're usually advertised as protecting the lips from sunburn, chapping and so forth. Petrolatum is mineral oil jelly, and mineral oil causes a lot of problems when used on the skin photosensitivity (i.e., promotes sun damage), and it tends to interfere with the body's own natural moisturizing mechanism, leading to dry skin and chapping. You are being sold a product that creates the very conditions it claims to alleviate. Manufacturers use petrolatum because it is unbelievably cheap.

4. Propylene Glycol — Ideally this is a vegetable glycerin mixed with grain alcohol, both of which are natural. Usually it is a synthetic petrochemical mix used as a humectant. Has been known to cause allergic and toxic reactions.

5. PVP/VA Copolymer — A petroleum-derived chemical used in hairsprays, wavesets and other cosmetics. It can be considered toxic, since particles may contribute to foreign bodies in the lungs of sensitive persons.

6. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate — This synthetic substance is used in shampoos for its detergent and foam-building abilities. It causes eye irritations, skin rashes, hair loss, scalp scurf similar to dandruff, and allergic reactions. It is frequently disguised in pseudo-natural cosmetics with the parenthetic explanation "comes from coconut."

7. Stearalkonium Chloride — A chemical used in hair conditioners and creams. Causes allergic reactions. Stearalkonium chloride was developed by the fabric industry as a fabric softener, and is a lot cheaper and easier to use in hair conditioning formulas than proteins or herbals, which do help hair health. Toxic.

8. Synthetic Colors — The synthetic colors used to supposedly make a cosmetic "pretty" should be avoided at all costs, along with hair dyes. They will be labeled as FD&C or D&C, followed by a color and a number. Example: FD&C Red No. 6 / D&C Green No. 6. Synthetic colors are believed to be cancer-causing agents. If a cosmetic contains them, don't use it.

9. Synthetic Fragrances — The synthetic fragrances used in cosmetics can have as many as 200 ingredients. There is no way to know what the chemicals are, since on the label it will simply say "Fragrance." Some of the problems caused by these chemicals are headaches, dizziness, rash, hyperpigmentation, violent coughing, vomiting, skin irritation by a cosmetic that has the word "Fragrance" on the ingredients label.

10. Triethanolamine — Often used in cosmetics to adjust the pH, and used with many fatty acids to convert acid to salt (stearate), which then becomes the base for a cleanser. TEA causes allergic reactions including eye problems, dryness of hair and skin, and could be toxic if absorbed into the body over a long period of time.

To Summarize: Look for natural ingredients in the products you buy. Do not use cosmetics that are artificially colored. Is the shampoo bright green or blue? Very likely it contains a coal tar color. Does the product contain synthetic fragrances? Don't buy it. You may find that some of your allergy problems will suddenly disappear when you no longer use cosmetics formulated with petrochemicals and other synthetics.