Does the Black Church Keep Black Women Single? (Please Share Your Heart on This)

Is the Black Church Keeping Black Women Single? Multiple Choice Answers

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 27.5%
  • No

    Votes: 14 35.0%
  • Say What ? ! ?

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • Be it yea or nay, I'm still God's Child...

    Votes: 14 35.0%

  • Total voters
    40
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Shimmie

"God is the Only Truth -- Period"
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:heart2: Precious Ladies: I miss all of you so much. Before I print this article I want each of you to know that I thank God for each and everyone of you here. You are in my heart as my sisters, my friends, my family...beyond words.

There is not a 'cyber' one among you, as you are very real to me beyond the walls and divisions of technology. I'm still very much involved with 'family' matters, but I'll be here as often as I can. Please forgive me for the delays in responding to your PM's and loving messages. I receive them all with love and prayers for each of you. :love2:

This article below has me thinking... Hmmmmmmmm ? ? ?

If you can, please read, then pick it apart and share your heart about this. No one's thoughts about this can be considered as wrong... only honest.

I'll try to come back later to respond, but keep your thoughts and hearts flowing, because I think we have an answer here that's been hidden behind the 'pews'.

Maybe.... :look: :look: Hmmmmm.... "Maybe" ... al little maybe? :rolleyes:

Here's the article precious loves and Oh... Let there be none among you without your heart's desire to be happily and joyfully married, be unknown in this life.; you SHALL have your dreams fulfilled,

In Jesus' Name, Amen and Amen.

"We' are not statistics, we are 'Daughters of the Most High God'.
 
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Okay.... NOW here it 'tis'. .. (but it is not 'tis all') :grin:

(CNN) -- Legs covered in skin-toned stockings, her skirt crisp to the knee, Patty Davis slips on the black heels she has shined for the day.
"Got to look good in the Lord's house," she says as she spritzes her neck with White Diamonds perfume and exits her black Lincoln Town Car.

Davis, 46, of Union City, Georgia, has attended African Methodist Episcopal churches since before she could crawl. She sits proudly in the pew every Sunday for service and is among the first to arrive for bible study each Wednesday.

She moves swiftly, with confidence, a weathered Bible clutched in her right hand, the day's passages dog-eared and highlighted. She's the type of woman who can recite scriptures with ease, her love of faith evident in her speech.

"Every day is a blessed day for me," she says. "Jesus is the No. 1 man in my life and any man who wants me must seek me through Him."

The unmarried Georgia native is a committed follower of the Christian faith, striving to live and breathe the gospel in her daily life. Yet, according to relationship advice columnist Deborrah Cooper, it is this devout style of belief and attachment to the black church that is keeping black women like Davis -- single and lonely.

Clinging to the gospel

Cooper, a writer for the San Francisco Examiner, recently made claims on her blog SurvivingDating.com that predominantly black protestant churches, such as African Methodists, Pentecostal, and certain denominations of Evangelical and Baptist churches are the main reason black women are single. Cooper, who is black and says she is not strictly religious, argues that rigid beliefs constructed by the black church are blinding black women in their search for love.

In raising the issue, Cooper ignited a public conversation about a topic that is increasingly getting attention in the black community and beyond. Oprah Winfrey, among others, recently hosted a show about single black women and relationships after a Yale University study found that 42 percent of African-American women in the United States were unmarried.

Big Miller Grove Missionary Baptist Church, a predominately African-American Baptist church in Atlanta, is holding a seminar on the question of faith's role in marital status on August 20.

"Black women are interpreting the scriptures too literally. They want a man to which they are 'equally yoked' -- a man that goes to church five times a week and every Sunday just like they do," Cooper said in a recent interview.

"If they meet a black man that is not in church, they are automatically eliminated as a potential suitor. This is just limiting their dating pool."

The traditional structure and dynamics of black churches, mostly led by black men, convey submissive attitudes to women, Cooper says, encouraging them to be patient -- instead of getting up and going after what they want.

Nearly ninety percent of African-Americans express "certain belief in God" and 55 percent say they "interpret scripture literally," according to the 2009 Pew Research Center study "A Religious Portrait of African-Americans."

Dr. Boyce Watkins, a professor at Syracuse University and advocate for African-American issues, responded to Cooper's article online. Though he applauded Cooper's courage to voice her opinion , he agreed -- and disagreed -- with her.

"I don't think the church keeps black women single," Watkins says. "But I do agree that some black churches teach women that they must only date a man that goes to church regularly."

Watkins, who is African-American and whose father is a Southern Baptist minister, described his interactions with southern women who are devout churchgoers. "I am a male and I know that I will treat a woman well, but I have been rejected many times because I don't thump a bible with me everywhere that I go."

All in the numbers

One of biggest reasons black women are single, Cooper says, is because of a lack of black men in the church. According to the PEW study, "African-American men are significantly more likely than women to be unaffiliated with any religion (16 percent vs. 9 percent). Nearly one-in-five men say they have no formal religious affiliation."

Watkins believes the social structure of the church keeps black men from attending. "Those appealing, high-testosterone guys have a hard time getting into the 'Follow the leader, give me your money, and listen to what I have to say' attitude."

"Many of us have a difficult time submitting to the pastor who is just another man."

The male pastor, Cooper says, is the "alpha male" for many black women. Over-reverence for the pastor - or any religious figure for that matter - creates barriers for the black man, she says, because he feels like he must compete for the No. 1 spot in a black woman's heart.

"It doesn't make you more attractive if your life is filled with these 'other' men," Cooper says. "If they feel like they have to compete, you are not going to be interesting because you're not feeding his ego in the way it needs to be fed."

Mark K. Forston, son of a black preacher in Forest Park, Georgia, says some black women "put their pastor on this pedestal and have a large amount of faith in him because he is a living source of salvation."

Sometimes women even focus their romantic feelings on the pastor, says Forston. "Regardless if he's married or not, sometimes human desires will transcend beyond certain parameters and that's dangerous territory. Pastors are humans just like anybody else."

The Rev. Renita J. Weems, a bible scholar who holds a degree in theology from Princeton, strongly disagrees with Cooper about why many black women remain single and says she is reinforcing one message: "It's the black woman's fault."

"To claim that women are sitting in their chair getting heated about watching their preacher strut across the pulpit is illogical," Weems says. "The black church is not a Sunday morning sex drama."

Weems, who is African-American and has written several books on women's spirituality, has her own criticisms of the black church. The literal interpretation of certain scriptures can lead to subjugating women, Weems says. However, positive scripture messages, about love and justice, do exist and can be used to empower women rather than keep them "single and lonely."

Weems says Cooper fails to examine deeper threads. "What the black church does and what religion does is helps you create core values for your life and allows you to see what you appreciate in others.

"The reason why black women who go to black churches are not married is because they are looking for certain values in a man," Weems says. "It is not the church that keeps them single, but the simple fact that good values are lacking in some of our men."

Choose or lose the church

Cooper says her goal is to empower black women. If their strategy for meeting men is failing, Cooper offers two suggestions: Find another church or leave-and go where the boys go: tailgates, bars and clubs.

"Black women need to open their eyes. You want to know the reason why the black man isn't in church? Because he left church to go to the Sunday football game," Cooper says. "Going to these sites is discouraged in the black church because these places are seen as places where 'sin dwells.' But if women are compassionate, as the bible preaches they should be, then they need to be more open about the men they choose to date and where they might meet them."

"I'm not against religion, or against the church, I'm against women limiting their choices and putting themselves in a box because they do what their church tells them to do," Cooper says.

Weems disagrees. "Telling black women that they should spend their two hours on Sunday elsewhere and drive them away to go to the bar to find a date is not helpful to our communities."

"Black women are the backbones of their community and without them a lot of charitable work would not get done, social justice on the ground would be diminished and outreach to poor people would be severed."

Patty Davis, the long time churchgoer in Georgia, says all the arguments over what the church preaches miss the point. What truly matters, she says, are women's motives.

"The real question is: What are you coming to church for?" she says. "To feed your spirit? Or your carnal desires?"

The church's effect on the romantic lives of black women cannot be gleaned from a mathematical equation or a select bible passage, Davis says.

"It is a woman's own actions and decisions that will determine the outcome of her love life, not the church's," Davis says. "Because the last time I checked, the church ain't no dating service."

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Shimmie has about 10 thoughts in my head about now.... :scratchch: Cause in some kinda'... Kinda', I think some of this is true.

So, Angels, pick this apart, pray, and speak your heart about this. And remember, no one is wrong by speaking their heart about this. :kiss:

I just don't like that it's coming from CNN ... :rolleyes:

Ooooops.... Need a link?

Oh well, okay, if I have to ... :rolleyes: :blush:
Here it tis'....

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/08/10/black.church.women.single/index.html?hpt=C2

I'll be back as soon as I can.

Once again, "I love you.... all of you." :grouphug2:
 
"Every day is a blessed day for me," she says. "Jesus is the No. 1 man in my life and any man who wants me must seek me through Him."

I feel the same way.

Cooper, a writer for the San Francisco Examiner, recently made claims on her blog SurvivingDating.com that predominantly black protestant churches, such as African Methodists, Pentecostal, and certain denominations of Evangelical and Baptist churches are the main reason black women are single. Cooper, who is black and says she is not strictly religious, argues that rigid beliefs constructed by the black church are blinding black women in their search for love.

People who usually say that are the ones that like to pick and choose which laws to follow; if they should or should not obey God.

"Black women are interpreting the scriptures too literally. They want a man to which they are 'equally yoked' -- a man that goes to church five times a week and every Sunday just like they do," Cooper said in a recent interview.

"If they meet a black man that is not in church, they are automatically eliminated as a potential suitor. This is just limiting their dating pool."

We are suppose to only date people who we are equally yoked with. This is not a "strictly religious" thing, it is a Christian. How can we say that we are of God but we are not obeying His words. For me, if I meet a man that doesn't have a relationship with the Most High, then he is out of my dating pool. I think she is forgetting (or doesn't know) that the devil goes to church too. Just because a man is in church that doesn't make him a Christian.

The traditional structure and dynamics of black churches, mostly led by black men, convey submissive attitudes to women, Cooper says, encouraging them to be patient -- instead of getting up and going after what they want.

I read a Christian article that says it is ok for women to purse guys. I don't see anything wrong with this, just as long as he is a man of God. I personally like men to approach me. :grin:

"I don't think the church keeps black women single," Watkins says. "But I do agree that some black churches teach women that they must only date a man that goes to church regularly."

Watkins, who is African-American and whose father is a Southern Baptist minister, described his interactions with southern women who are devout churchgoers. "I am a male and I know that I will treat a woman well, but I have been rejected many times because I don't thump a bible with me everywhere that I go."

I don't know what to make of this.

All in the numbers

One of biggest reasons black women are single, Cooper says, is because of a lack of black men in the church.

Speaking in general I have noticed this is the black community. I don't understand why some parents would make their daughters go to church but if their sons don't want to go they don't have to. Things like this hurts me so much. I rather have my child hate me because I want to him succeed in life and be a great man of God, than for me to be his best friend and watch him self-destruct in front of my eyes.

The male pastor, Cooper says, is the "alpha male" for many black women. Over-reverence for the pastor - or any religious figure for that matter - creates barriers for the black man, she says, because he feels like he must compete for the No. 1 spot in a black woman's heart.

"It doesn't make you more attractive if your life is filled with these 'other' men," Cooper says. "If they feel like they have to compete, you are not going to be interesting because you're not feeding his ego in the way it needs to be fed."


Mark K. Forston, son of a black preacher in Forest Park, Georgia, says some black women "put their pastor on this pedestal and have a large amount of faith in him because he is a living source of salvation."

First of all Jesus is the ONLY source of salvation. A man shouldn't have to compete for the number 1 position because that position is not open to competition (at least for me). That spot belongs to God and if anyone is placed before Him they are considered to be idols.

If a man needs me to worship the ground he walks on in order to feel like a man than he is not the one for me, this just displays selfish behavior. I have no problem making a man feel like a man, but he is not my god.

"The reason why black women who go to black churches are not married is because they are looking for certain values in a man," Weems says. "It is not the church that keeps them single, but the simple fact that good values are lacking in some of our men."

Thank you
 
WELCOME BACK, Shimmie!!!​

I'm on the fence on this issue. I'll be back to comment. This should be good.. :yep:
 
I am kind of torn on this one...

:kiss: I'm 'torn' as well, Precious "Do-Si-Dos'.

You know what? When I saw this title, it hit me so strongly. I have a strong conviction in my heart, because I know that a lot of what wasn't written in this article, yet still related to the subject, is true.

My daughter's Pastor has been teaching a message series entitled, "Losing Your Religion". Losing the weights of religiousness, which is of man and not of the heart of God our Father. The Pharisees, Scribes who opposed Jesus are some of our examples. Their religious 'closed' mindset and rigidness blocked the flow of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide them into all Truth and mostly into compassion and in love.

This message is breaking me. God tells us in His word to not be so spiritually minded that we are no earthly good. We are God's women, yet we are still women. How many men are 'afraid' to come near to one so high?

I am so convicted, because I know that I've hurt someone; someone who was only reaching out because he felt the presence of God's peace in me. Yet, I sent him away, because he wasn't 'strong' enough ------ according to my perception which stemmed from religion; religion which is so alienated from the nurturing relationship with Jesus.

There's so much more of this subject of which there is conviction for not yielding to the loving presence of God's wisdom to open our hearts and minds to the truth and to not be entrapped within the walls of "don't come near me, unless you have a throne and a cross.

You know, it's not about the article; its more about knowing when it's God and not we ourselves... not religion, but Jesus.

How do we measure a man? With religion, it's like measuring a mountain with a 12 inch tape measure, it cannot stand up to the task. A man is measured by the heart of God which lives within him and no other standard matters.

It's not about the Black Church; it's about religion not of God's character.

Spiritual Balance Seals the Broken Paths to Love and Marriage. :love2:
 
:grouphug::bighug: We love you sis, take all the time you need, we carry you in our hearts.





As far as the article. I dunno. I don't think the church is keeping women from marriage. I think that a person keeps themselves from marriage IF they don't EVER EVER EVER open themselves up to it.

It's one thing to say you want to get married BUT you spend 6 days a week in the church working with women ministries or ministries that only involve married people(men of which you are HANDS OFF)

Just like with all aspects of life, there needs to be a balance in the spiritual life as well. Christians have fun too and I think if anything, its the stereotype that we can't have fun that is keeping these women from marriage.

Christian women can go out together in groups and have lunch, dinner, movies, concerts, etc. and those are places that you meet men. All the good men aren't just at church. You know why? Because they know they are good men and that they don't have to feel chained to the church in a desperate search for a wife.

God doesn't only hook folk up in church. The ONE who says he WILL make me his wife was working outside my house when we met. I wasn't at church, it was a weekday early in the afternoon. lol

When I hear stories like this, it makes me joyful for where God has placed me during this season. My church is very much pro-marriage. My pastor is married and is one of those who speaks honestly. He'll tell you quick that you don't need to be coming to church trying to tempt anyone, BUT that you don't HAVE to come to church looking like you just rolled out of bed. There have been several inter-church marriages since I've been a member.

As far as the argument on being equally yoked, I do think people get it twisted. When I use to read that I though it meant that you needed someone on the same spiritual level as yourself. That, for me, is partially correct. After praying on it, it was revealed to ME that it is intended to say that your mate should be yoked to Jesus just as you are. EQUALLY
No one is perfect, we all fall, and if I overlook a man who is a Christian, but who doesn't attend both services on Sunday or who doesn't follow the pastor around or what have you, then does that mean he isn't good enough? NOPE! We are all works in progress.

My ONE was going through some things when I met him, BUT he was still Christian, off the path a bit, but still a Christian. We parted ways and you know what. When I called one day out of the blue, He was still waiting for me. He said God showed me I was His wife and that He would wait as long as it takes for me to do what I need to do until I am ready(not that I would wait forever just to test him out, cuz sometimes we fail tests. lol)
 
Not all churches. My current church promotes marriage a great deal. There's actually a huge emphasis on it and a very active marriage ministry. My home church on the other hand, encourages the singles to be "wed to God" sort to speak and really doesn't do anything to promote marriage. Most of my home church is wed, however. There are a few singles but they have been single, practically forever. Marriage is a good thing and should always be encouraged by the church. When ever I visit though, there is always atleast three women trying to hook me up with their son, nephew though lol so I know atleast the women are on top of things! I don't really agree with the position my home church takes on it, but I understand the need for individuals to know that one can be fulfilled without marriage, i mean....it's not the end of the world if you don't get married. As for your question, I don't think the church is intentionally trying to keep singles unwed, but there seems to be an inability to navigate the issue well, so they resolve to merely tell people to be "wed to God" if it doesn't happen by a certain point.
 
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I feel the same way.



People who usually say that are the ones that like to pick and choose which laws to follow; if they should or should not obey God.



We are suppose to only date people who we are equally yoked with. This is not a "strictly religious" thing, it is a Christian. How can we say that we are of God but we are not obeying His words. For me, if I meet a man that doesn't have a relationship with the Most High, then he is out of my dating pool. I think she is forgetting (or doesn't know) that the devil goes to church too. Just because a man is in church that doesn't make him a Christian.



I read a Christian article that says it is ok for women to purse guys. I don't see anything wrong with this, just as long as he is a man of God. I personally like men to approach me. :grin:



I don't know what to make of this.



Speaking in general I have noticed this is the black community. I don't understand why some parents would make their daughters go to church but if their sons don't want to go they don't have to. Things like this hurts me so much. I rather have my child hate me because I want to him succeed in life and be a great man of God, than for me to be his best friend and watch him self-destruct in front of my eyes.



First of all Jesus is the ONLY source of salvation. A man shouldn't have to compete for the number 1 position because that position is not open to competition (at least for me). That spot belongs to God and if anyone is placed before Him they are considered to be idols.

If a man needs me to worship the ground he walks on in order to feel like a man than he is not the one for me, this just displays selfish behavior. I have no problem making a man feel like a man, but he is not my god.



Thank you

:up: Good message 'Ab' :yep:
 
:grouphug::bighug: We love you sis, take all the time you need, we carry you in our hearts.





As far as the article. I dunno. I don't think the church is keeping women from marriage. I think that a person keeps themselves from marriage IF they don't EVER EVER EVER open themselves up to it.

It's one thing to say you want to get married BUT you spend 6 days a week in the church working with women ministries or ministries that only involve married people(men of which you are HANDS OFF)

Just like with all aspects of life, there needs to be a balance in the spiritual life as well. Christians have fun too and I think if anything, its the stereotype that we can't have fun that is keeping these women from marriage.

Christian women can go out together in groups and have lunch, dinner, movies, concerts, etc. and those are places that you meet men. All the good men aren't just at church. You know why? Because they know they are good men and that they don't have to feel chained to the church in a desperate search for a wife.

God doesn't only hook folk up in church. The ONE who says he WILL make me his wife was working outside my house when we met. I wasn't at church, it was a weekday early in the afternoon. lol

When I hear stories like this, it makes me joyful for where God has placed me during this season. My church is very much pro-marriage. My pastor is married and is one of those who speaks honestly. He'll tell you quick that you don't need to be coming to church trying to tempt anyone, BUT that you don't HAVE to come to church looking like you just rolled out of bed. There have been several inter-church marriages since I've been a member.

As far as the argument on being equally yoked, I do think people get it twisted. When I use to read that I though it meant that you needed someone on the same spiritual level as yourself. That, for me, is partially correct. After praying on it, it was revealed to ME that it is intended to say that your mate should be yoked to Jesus just as you are. EQUALLY
No one is perfect, we all fall, and if I overlook a man who is a Christian, but who doesn't attend both services on Sunday or who doesn't follow the pastor around or what have you, then does that mean he isn't good enough? NOPE! We are all works in progress.

My ONE was going through some things when I met him, BUT he was still Christian, off the path a bit, but still a Christian. We parted ways and you know what. When I called one day out of the blue, He was still waiting for me. He said God showed me I was His wife and that He would wait as long as it takes for me to do what I need to do until I am ready(not that I would wait forever just to test him out, cuz sometimes we fail tests. lol)

Thanks Precious Lady... :love2:


And ummmm, "You" speaking the truth up in here. :clapping:

What a precious heart your 'Special One' is. I praise God for both of you to be happily as "One", eternally. :Rose:
 
Not all churches, my current church promotes marriage a great deal. There's actually a huge emphasis on it and an very active marriage ministry. My home church on the other hand, encourages the singles to be "wed to God" sort to speak and really doesn't do anything to promote marriage. Most of my home church is wed, however and there are a few singles who have been single, practically forever. Marriage is a good thing and should always be encouraged by the church. When ever I visit though, there is always atleast three women trying to hook me up with their son, nephew though LOL! I don't really agree with the position my home church takes on it, but I understand the need for individuals to know that one can be fulfilled without marriage, i mean....it's not the end of the world if you don't get married. As for your question, I don't think the church is intentionally trying to keep singles unwed, but there seems to be an inability to navigate the issue well, so they resolve to merely tell people to be "wed to God" if it doesn't happen by a certain point.

True, people can be fulfilled singly. But each person knows in their heart of hearts whether they are called to marriage or not. Just like those of us that are saved know the call of salvation, teachers know the call of teaching, people meant to be married, know the call for marriage.

I love the married people in my church, they might not be perfect and I don't know everyone's business but it says something to me that all the married couples don't sit together paired up. They come to church together, to worship and often don't sit together. The ladies sit with their friends, the men are very active in the church and have duties. There are some familes who sit coupled up with their children. It's like, for me, when I see that, THAT is how it is suppose to be. Marriage's most important aspect imho is worshipping together.
 
:heart2: Precious Ladies: I miss all of you so much. Before I print this article I want each of you to know that I thank God for each and everyone of you here. You are in my heart as my sisters, my friends, my family...beyond words.

There is not a 'cyber' one among you, as you are very real to me beyond the walls and divisions of technology. I'm still very much involved with 'family' matters, but I'll be here as often as I can. Please forgive me for the delays in responding to your PM's and loving messages. I receive them all with love and prayers for each of you. :love2:

This article below has me thinking... Hmmmmmmmm ? ? ?

If you can, please read, then pick it apart and share your heart about this. No one's thoughts about this can be considered as wrong... only honest.

I'll try to come back later to respond, but keep your thoughts and hearts flowing, because I think we have an answer here that's been hidden behind the 'pews'.

Maybe.... :look: :look: Hmmmmm.... "Maybe" ... al little maybe? :rolleyes:

Here's the article precious loves and Oh... Let there be none among you without your heart's desire to be happily and joyfully married, be unknown in this life.; you SHALL have your dreams fulfilled,

In Jesus' Name, Amen and Amen.

"We' are not statics, we are 'Daughters of the Most High God'.

-forgive my fowardnesss Shimmie, but I screamed in Joy for your return. I realize you don't know me from Eve but I feel like I am seeing a long lost sister again. Welcome home Shimmie,welcome home
 
SN: know what the sermon was about Valentines day? lol It wasn't even about married couples, it was from Ruth I think, and the message related to how a man is a visual creature. How if he doesn't see you as attractive, he may overlook you all together. There was a special shoutout to all the single ladies in the house. We were advised by our pastor to STOP going to walmart with flip flops, pajamas and ashy feet with a doo rag on our head talking about "I'm gonna find Mr. Right" lol
tehehehehehe. He said Mr. Right wants his women to look like something just like we want a man to look like something.

He spoke about how Ruth was to annoint herself in preperation for lying at Boaz feet. He also made reference to Esther's preperation before going to the king.

The modern day church would have women walking around cloaked head to toe, washed in ivory soap and modest to the point of looking downright homely.

There is a difference between trying to look sexy, and trying to look like a woman
 
True, people can be fulfilled singly. But each person knows in their heart of hearts whether they are called to marriage or not. Just like those of us that are saved know the call of salvation, teachers know the call of teaching, people meant to be married, know the call for marriage.

I love the married people in my church, they might not be perfect and I don't know everyone's business but it says something to me that all the married couples don't sit together paired up. They come to church together, to worship and often don't sit together. The ladies sit with their friends, the men are very active in the church and have duties. There are some familes who sit coupled up with their children. It's like, for me, when I see that, THAT is how it is suppose to be. Marriage's most important aspect imho is worshipping together.

That is so true, so the church should not encourage people to be single if these individuals know they have a desire to marry. All great posts HCMN, I enjoyed both posts.
 
Not all churches, my current church promotes marriage a great deal. There's actually a huge emphasis on it and an very active marriage ministry. My home church on the other hand, encourages the singles to be "wed to God" sort to speak and really doesn't do anything to promote marriage. Most of my home church is wed, however and there are a few singles who have been single, practically forever.

Marriage is a good thing and should always be encouraged by the church. When ever I visit though, there is always atleast three women trying to hook me up with their son, nephew though LOL! I don't really agree with the position my home church takes on it, but I understand the need for individuals to know that one can be fulfilled without marriage, i mean....it's not the end of the world if you don't get married. As for your question, I don't think the church is intentionally trying to keep singles unwed, but there seems to be an inability to navigate the issue well, so they resolve to merely tell people to be "wed to God" if it doesn't happen by a certain point.
:yep::yep::yep::yep::yep::yep::yep: This is good Sidney and I agree that most Churches encourage marriage.

As for the women trying to 'hook you up' with their son, nephew, etc.....

Wow! What a compliment for how well they think of you. :yep: :Rose: They love you enough to embrace you as a part of them; to bring more of you into their lives with their son (or nephew) and the children who will share the same bloodline. They know good when they see it and they see the good in you. :Rose:

Cause if they were anything like me, no woman was ever good enough for my son. :rolleyes: I was always chasing them away... Well, I was... for a 'minute'. I wore Galatians 4:30 out. It always worked too. :grin:

Blessings Sweet Sidney... :kiss:
 
SN: know what the sermon was about Valentines day? lol It wasn't even about married couples, it was from Ruth I think, and the message related to how a man is a visual creature. How if he doesn't see you as attractive, he may overlook you all together. There was a special shoutout to all the single ladies in the house. We were advised by our pastor to STOP going to walmart with flip flops, pajamas and ashy feet with a doo rag on our head talking about "I'm gonna find Mr. Right" lol
tehehehehehe. He said Mr. Right wants his women to look like something just like we want a man to look like something.

He spoke about how Ruth was to annoint herself in preperation for lying at Boaz feet. He also made reference to Esther's preperation before going to the king.

The modern day church would have women walking around cloaked head to toe, washed in ivory soap and modest to the point of looking downright homely.

There is a difference between trying to look sexy, and trying to look like a woman

AMEN!

The roof is on fire! Cause you sure are heating it up with the Truth in your posts. PREACH It! :clapping:

All of you, Angels in here are speaking some GOOD WORD up in here. :yep::yep::yep::yep::yep:
 
-forgive my fowardnesss Shimmie, but I screamed in Joy for your return. I realize you don't know me from Eve but I feel like I am seeing a long lost sister again. Welcome home Shimmie,welcome home

:kiss: Well Hello Lovely One. Thank you and God bless you. I mean it with all of my heart. :Rose:
 
Great discussion and Sidney. . . .honey, I was praying for someone to WANT to hook me up with somebody. LOLLLLLL I guess the desperation seeped through my well groomed look. I had to fallll wayyyy back. And get it together. I was severely desperate for a boo at one point. I mean it pained me sometimes to not be married. And that is when God told me that I couldn't get married until I could handle being a wife to a man AND being his wife too.

talk about my heart dropped, the tears fell and I threw a serious hissy fit. But God knew best. If I had gotten married any time in the past. . .ain't no telling where I'd be now. It wouldn't be good.
 
Thank you Shimmie :rose:
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My contribution is this: Yes I strongly desire marriage. To have it as a ministry. To love :). However as G-d has been working on me I realize I need to go of a worldly view of relationships. Do I feel Ill find My Mr Godly Chocolate in church? Only God knows. Outside? Only God knows. I'm open, but I do have standards. Many people say they have a hard timing finding men in church. But what if people are bringing ALLL the wrong men? I admit I dream of him often so I wonder WHEN. Forgive me if I veered wayyy off
 
I may be wrong in my assumption but I don't believe the church is holding anyone back.I think to a degree there isn't any encouragement however the church isn't changing therefore men will not be there..when I say men those who are firm in the word and that aren't whores or gays.

Black women are holding ourselves back by not stepping out and going forward.I'm speaking about me in this instance that at times we use God as a hindrance.When your really in God your not scared of stepping out boldly in places you know men of God will be.For if I can ever lose weight,get a good job and get my persona to be more likable I would start going out to places men will be and ask the hard questions.

The church is a building to me since the body of Christ has lost it's power.So many go to church and are going through the motions.Now there are some churches that pimp the young saved and holy and make them give all their time and money to the church so it can grow.Without the black woman in the church there would be no church.We pay the bills while the over glorified pastors get the glory from them. rant over..
 
Great discussion and Sidney. . . .honey, I was praying for someone to WANT to hook me up with somebody. LOLLLLLL I guess the desperation seeped through my well groomed look. I had to fallll wayyyy back. And get it together. I was severely desperate for a boo at one point. I mean it pained me sometimes to not be married. And that is when God told me that I couldn't get married until I could handle being a wife to a man AND being his wife too.

talk about my heart dropped, the tears fell and I threw a serious hissy fit. But God knew best. If I had gotten married any time in the past. . .ain't no telling where I'd be now. It wouldn't be good.

That is why God is so great. He knows all things.

I agree with your post. With everything we do there must be a balance. I like the idea of meeting someone when you are out and handling your life. It just shows that great Christian guys (or people) can be anywhere.
 
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