Catholics: March 12, 2013 Cardinals Will Start Voting for New Pope

Galadriel

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Conclave starts tomorrow! (Tuesday 3/13)

I've been so busy lately, and things can get pretty hectic, so I signed up for popealarm (they email and/or text you as soon as the white smoke emerges from the Sistine Chapel's chimney). :grin:

I REALLY would like to see Cardinal Francis Arinze emerge as Pope, but he is 80 years old, which puts a huge (though not insurmountable) dent in his papability.

I think the cardinals will most likely choose someone in the range of 60-70, probably mid-sixties, with the physical and mental strength to do the job for at least the next 15 years.

Hence, I'll go ahead and project my second (hopeful) pick, and bear with me...

Cardinal Raymond Burke (age 64).

Why him?

Despite him being American and everyone swearing an American will never be elected Pope, Cardinal Burke is quite awesome.

-He currently resides in Italy at the Vatican and already deals with the ins-and-outs of the Curia, in fact he's the head of the Church's supreme court.

-He's orthodox, he says Tridentine Masses and very reverent Novus Ordo masses, and he has a special devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and to Our Lady. And, he is a HUGE advocate of reminding us of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

-He has the governance experience, administrative-know-how, and strong hand to clean house, both at the Vatican and in the larger Church.

-Playtime will be OVER for "Catholic" pro-abortion, pro-sodomite politicians.

--He speaks English, French, Italian, and Latin, so he'll be just fine in Rome :yep:

--He is not afraid. He will publicly stand for Christian values, for the truth, no matter the cost.

With that said, keep all the cardinals in your prayers, and ultimately, may God's will be done.

*ETA: Cardinal Burke is 64, not 67
 
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Didn't know Arinze was 80! Gosh. And Jean-Marie Lustiger passed in 2007. Well, the choice isn't mine anyway. Thing about Cardinal Ratzinger, we'd heard of him and he was well-published. I'm not saying others aren't equally published, but you feel rather comfortable with those you've heard of before. Plus, all this corruption dealing with those who were desperate to push him out in the first place. :nono: It's in the hands of the H-ly Spirit.
 
Why not an American pope? From the Americas or just U.S. pope? Because I'd actually love to see a Latino pope since they make up a huge bulk of faithful catholics. We've had African popes, albeit, in the past. But as a new people, I wouldn't mind at all to see a Latino.
 
Why not an American pope? From the Americas or just U.S. pope? Because I'd actually love to see a Latino pope since they make up a huge bulk of faithful catholics. We've had African popes, albeit, in the past. But as a new people, I wouldn't mind at all to see a Latino.

No, I meant North America. I wouldn't mind a Latino or African or even an Asian pope. Although I do like Donald Cardinal Wuerl from DC. I'm not sure if he is too old though?
 
I heard that said before on CNN or some program....why are people worried if the new pope is a U.S. citizen? Because of the scandals?
 
Conclave starts tomorrow! (Tuesday 3/13)

I've been so busy lately, and things can get pretty hectic, so I signed up for popealarm (they email and/or text you as soon as the white smoke emerges from the Sistine Chapel's chimney). :grin:

I REALLY would like to see Cardinal Francis Arinze emerge as Pope, but he is 80 years old, which puts a huge (though not insurmountable) dent in his papability.

I think the cardinals will most likely choose someone in the range of 60-70, probably mid-sixties, with the physical and mental strength to do the job for at least the next 15 years.

Hence, I'll go ahead and project my second (hopeful) pick, and bear with me...

Cardinal Raymond Burke (age 67).

Why him?

Despite him being American and everyone swearing an American will never be elected Pope, Cardinal Burke is quite awesome.

-He currently resides in Italy at the Vatican and already deals with the ins-and-outs of the Curia, in fact he's the head of the Church's supreme court.

-He's orthodox, he says Tridentine Masses and very reverent Novus Ordo masses, and he has a special devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and to Our Lady. And, he is a HUGE advocate of reminding us of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

-He has the governance experience, administrative-know-how, and strong hand to clean house, both at the Vatican and in the larger Church.

-Playtime will be OVER for "Catholic" pro-abortion, pro-sodomite politicians.

--He speaks English, French, Italian, and Latin, so he'll be just fine in Rome :yep:

--He is not afraid. He will publicly stand for Christian values, for the truth, no matter the cost.

With that said, keep all the cardinals in your prayers, and ultimately, may God's will be done.

To my Catholic Sisters...

I may not be Catholic, however it doesn't stop the love that I have for you, nor does it keep me from praying with and for you.

I celebrate this historic moment with you.

Love,
Shimmie... :love2:
 
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I think I saw about 5-7 chocolate drops and canela amongst the cardinals. Arinze is very easy to spot...but I saw a few others. If they'll get a shot or not, just the fact they are there is wonderful for me. In fact, my son is named after a Pope lol. I'm proud to tell them the history of the Church and revel in the present. G-d is with us. Amen.
 
Drum Roll please......


Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, from Buenos Aires, Argentina, Jesuit, elected Pope, who has taken the name of :


Pope Francesco l



Viva il Papa!!!!!
 
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Drum Roll please......


Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, from Buenos Aires, Argentina, Jesuit, elected Pope, who has taken the name of :


Pope Francesco



Viva il Papa!!!!!


My manager has asked a great question that I'd like to know as well - how does the new pope select his name?
 
My manager has asked a great question that I'd like to know as well - how does the new pope select his name?

I believe they are inspired by God an it's a name that moves them. They feel connected to. Not sure if there is more to it.
 
My manager has asked a great question that I'd like to know as well - how does the new pope select his name?


By a saint that represents what they'd like to achieve. It's much like the saint we choose for First Communion and Confirmation, as well as the Priesthood and religious life.
 
My manager has asked a great question that I'd like to know as well - how does the new pope select his name?

Many popes take the name of one of their predecessors to signal what they want their papacy to stand for, or that they will continue the legacy of their predecessor.

John Paul I was only Pope for 33 days and sadly, died. So when John Paul II was elected, it was out of respect for JPI and also mean that JP2 wanted to continue what his predecessor started.

Benedict XVI chose his name because Benedict XV was pope during World War I, a tumultuous time in history, and so he wanted to attempt peace and reconciliation.

I think it's very telling that Pope Francis (and apparently he's the first Francis) chose this name. He is known for his humility, dedication, and poverty--just like Saint Francis of Assisi.

But I'll tell you what--if we ever get a Pius XIII, that means the Sheriff has come to town and playtime is over.:lol:
 
I might be wrong, though....as a Jesuit, wouldn't he have chosen St. Francis Xavier???

Ignatius of Loyola is the Jesuit founder. Pope Francis is well known for his advocacy for the poor and helpess, just like Francis of Assisi.

Many popes take the name of one of their predecessors to signal what they want their papacy to stand for, or that they will continue the legacy of their predecessor.

John Paul I was only Pope for 33 days and sadly, died. So when John Paul II was elected, it was out of respect for JPI and also mean that JP2 wanted to continue what his predecessor started.

Benedict XVI chose his name because Benedict XV was pope during World War I, a tumultuous time in history, and so he wanted to attempt peace and reconciliation.

I think it's very telling that Pope Francis (and apparently he's the first Francis) chose this name. He is known for his humility, dedication, and poverty--just like Saint Francis of Assisi.

But I'll tell you what--if we ever get a Pius XIII, that means the Sheriff has come to town and playtime is over.:lol:

I teared up when he asked the people to bless him before he blessed them. You should have seen us, when he bowed, we all had our hands streched out to the tv, loudly praying for him. His humily and devotion to Mother Mary had me convinced that the Holy Spirit was with the cardinals during the process
 
Ignatius of Loyola is the Jesuit founder. Pope Francis is well known for his advocacy for the poor and helpess, just like Francis of Assisi.



I teared up when he asked the people to bless him before he blessed them. You should have seen us, when he bowed, we all had our hands streched out to the tv, loudly praying for him. His humily and devotion to Mother Mary had me convinced that the Holy Spirit was with the cardinals during the process



Yes, but what I got confused about based upon the news, did he choose his name from St. Francis of Assisi or Francis Xavier...cuz Xavier was a Jesuit? I spoke to my son and they were all thinking of Xavier. He's at a catholic university. I had thought of Assisi as speculated, then I guess, retracted because we don't quite know yet. I didn't mean to spread misinformation. It's confusing...but it would seem plausible for either.
 
I trust the Holy Sprit was all over this, but my first thoughts were "hmmm, a Jesuit." They tend to be a little liberal, no? Here's to hoping no crazy reforms LOL.
 
THIS WILL BE A HISTORIC MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF LITURGICAL CHRISTIANITY.

Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople has announced that he plans to attend the inaugural Mass of Pope Frances on March 19.

The appearance by the Ecumenical Patriarch--the "first among equals" of all the world's Orthodox leaders--is an unprecedented gesture. The Patriarch of Constantinople has not attended a papal installation since 1054, when Constantinople split from Rome.


http://www.thesacredpage.com/2013/03/eastern-orthodox-patriarch-of.html

Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople to Attend Papal Installation Mass, the Fruit of Pope Benedict's Historic Ecumenical Work!


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YuuutyUQD..._ujXKvC4TM/s1600/Benedict+and+Bartholomew.jpgTuesday will be a landmark day in the history of Christianity and ecumenical relations: the Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople will attend Pope Francis' installation Mass, celebrating the Eucharist with him.

As if that wasn't enough, three other Orthodox bishops are coming with him!

I cannot stress enough what a hugely significant moment this is in Christian history! It is the first time that such a thing has happened since the Great Western Schism in 1054.

This is almost impossible to believe!!!

Here's the report that is rocking the Christian world (with some emphases added by me in bold italics). As the story notes, this epic gesture of unity is the fruit of the incredible ecumenical work of Pope Benedict, which was a top priority of his papacy. Indeed, in his statement upon Benedict's retirement the Patriarch spoke in glowing terms of the Benedict.

Here's the story about Tuesday:
Istanbul (AsiaNews) - The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople Bartholomew I will attend Pope Francis's inaugural Mass. The Ecumenical Patriarchate Press Office informed AsiaNews about the decision, noting that this is the first time such an event occurs since the Catholic-Orthodox split in 1054, an important sign for Christian unity.
The ecumenical patriarch will be accompanied by Ioannis Zizioulas, metropolitan of Pergamon and co-president of the Joint International Commission for Theological Dialogue between the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox Church, as well as Tarassios, Orthodox Metropolitan of Argentina, and Gennadios, Orthodox Metropolitan of Italy.​
Relations between Catholics and Orthodox have been improving since the Second Vatican Council through mutual visits, acts of friendship and theological dialogue.​
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ks2hzQUi7...q1k5pY414/s1600/Benedict+and+Bartholomew+.jpgUnder Benedict XVI, the dialogue picked up in earnest after a lull. In trying to promote it, the pope suggested ways to express the primacy of Peter's successor that could be acceptable to the Orthodox, finding his inspiration from the undivided Church of the first millennium.​
Catholic ecumenism has met however with great resistance from the Russian Orthodox Church and the Moscow Patriarchate, seat of the 'Third Rome'.​
The head of the Russian Orthodox Church's Department for External Relations, Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk, said on Thursday that a meeting between the pope and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow was "possible but the place and timing will depend on how quickly we will overcome the consequences of the conflicts from the turn of 1980s and 1990s".​
The issue of the Ukrainian Catholic Church is at the core of the "conflicts" to which Hilarion was referring. Although it was unbanned following the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was left without its original churches, which had been seized by the Communists under Soviet rule and later transferred to the Orthodox Church.​
Still, "on several occasions, Pope Francis has shown spiritual sympathy towards the Orthodox Church and a desire for closer contacts," Hilarion said. It is his hope that under the new pontificate "relations of alliance will develop and that our ties will be strengthened." [Source]​
Here was the Patriarch's appreciative statement on hearing of Benedict's resignation:
It is with regret that we have learned of the decision by His Holiness Pope Benedict to retire from his Throne, because with his wisdom and experience he could have provided much more to the Church and the world.
Pope Benedict leaves an indelible mark on the life and history of the Roman Catholic Church, sealed not only by his brief papacy, but also by his broad and longstanding contribution as a theologian and hierarch of his Church, as well as his universally acknowledged prestige.
His writings will long speak of his deep theological understanding, through his knowledge of the Fathers of the undivided Church, his familiarity with contemporary reality, and his keen interest in the problems of humankind.​
We Orthodox will always honor him as a friend of our Church and a faithful servant of the sacred proposition for the union of all. Moreover, we shall rejoice upon learning of his sound health and the productivity of his theological work.​
Personally, we remember with emotion his visit to the See of the Ecumenical Patriarchate over six years ago, together with the numerous encounters and excellent cooperation, which we enjoyed throughout the duration of his primatial ministry.
From the Phanar, we pray that the Lord will manifest his worthy successor as the head of the sister Church of Rome, and that we may also continue with this successor on our common journey toward the unity of all unto the glory of God.​
 
The more I learn about Pope Francis, the more I like him. He seems like a very simple, humble man. His episcopal motto (and now papal motto) was: "Lowly but chosen."
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/18/us-pope-argentina-falklands-idUSBRE92H0VL20130318


Argentina's Fernandez asks Pope to intervene over Falklands
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Pope receives gift ahead of inaugural mass
1:20pm EDT
Newly elected Pope Francis, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, holds a mate given to him as a present from Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner at the Vatican City in this handout picture provided by the Argentine Presidency March 18, 2013. REUTERS/Argentine Presidency/Handout

Fernandez had lunch with the former Buenos Aires Archbishop Jorge Bergoglio in the Vatican shortly after arriving in Rome to attend his inaugural papal mass on Tuesday.

"I asked for his intervention on the question of the Malvinas," she told reporters afterwards, using the Argentinian name for the islands.

Fernandez added that she hoped that Francis could help "to avoid problems that might emerge from the militarization of Great Britain in the south Atlantic".

A Vatican spokesman said he would make no comment on Fernandez's remarks on Monday, but the Holy See may be irritated by an attempt so early in the papacy to draw Francis into a political dispute - which popes traditionally avoid.

Fernandez, who has led Argentina for six years, has mounted an increasingly vocal campaign to renegotiate the sovereignty of the archipelago, which Britain has resisted, causing a series of diplomatic rows.

British Prime Minister David Cameron said last week that Pope Francis, the first Latin American pontiff, had been wrong to say in 2012 when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires that Britain had "usurped" the disputed islands from Argentina.

The year before Bergoglio said that the islands were "ours", a view which most Argentinians share.

FALKLANDS REFERENDUM

Cameron said the people of the islands had made their view clear in a referendum last week in which they overwhelmingly voted in favor of remaining British.

Argentina is 300 miles to the west of the islands, which it has claimed for almost 200 years. In 1982 Argentina invaded but was repelled after a 74-day war with Britain.

The left-leaning Fernandez, and her late husband and predecessor as president, Nestor Kirchner have had a frosty relationship with Bergoglio, whom they have accused of taking sides with the opposition against them.

Some analysts say that Bergoglio's surprise election as pope last week at a conclave where he was not even mentioned on media lists of the favorites, had wrong-footed Fernandez, who would now want to patch up ties with the Roman Catholic Church before mid-term elections in October.

Bergoglio's election caused mass emotional rejoicing in Argentina.

Fernandez wore a black suit, white pearls and a brimmed hat with a matching bow for the meeting with Francis. They exchanged several gifts and kissed each other on the cheeks.

The Fernandez gifts included a metal cup and straw for drinking mate, a traditional Argentinian tea that the pope is known to like. He gave her a 17th century mosaic of St. Peter's Basilica.

"I have never been kissed by a pope before," she told journalists.

Fernandez said she hoped Francis could emulate Pope John Paul II, who helped to resolve a territorial dispute between Argentina and Chile, when they were both ruled by military governments.

"There was a very difficult situation in 1978 when Argentina and Chile were almost at war and then John Paul II intervened and helped bring the two countries closer," she told reporters.

"Now the situation is different because Britain and Argentina are two democratic countries with governments elected by the people. The only thing we ask is that we can sit down and negotiate."

(Reporting by Gavin Jones; writing by Barry Moody; editing by Giles Elgood)
 
Homily of Mass of Inauguration for Pope Francis

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

I thank the Lord that I can celebrate this Holy Mass for the Inauguration of my Pet...rine ministry on the solemnity of Saint Joseph, the spouse of the Virgin Mary and the patron of the universal Church. It is a significant coincidence, and it is also the name-day of my venerable predecessor: we are close to him with our prayers, full of affection and gratitude.

I offer a warm greeting to my brother cardinals and bishops, the priests, deacons, men and women religious, and all the lay faithful. I thank the representatives of the other Churches and ecclesial Communities, as well as the representatives of the Jewish community and the other religious communities, for their presence. My cordial greetings go to the Heads of State and Government, the members of the official Delegations from many countries throughout the world, and the Diplomatic Corps.

In the Gospel, we heard that “Joseph did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took Mary as his wife” (Mt 1:24). These words already point to the mission which God entrusts to Joseph: he is to be the custos, the protector. The protector of whom? Of Mary and Jesus; but this protection is then extended to the Church, as Blessed John Paul II pointed out: “Just as Saint Joseph took loving care of Mary and gladly dedicated himself to Jesus Christ’s upbringing, he likewise watches over and protects Christ’s Mystical Body, the Church, of which the Virgin Mary is the exemplar and model” (Redemptoris Custos, 1).

How does Joseph exercise his role as protector? Discreetly, humbly and silently, but with an unfailing presence and utter fidelity, even when he finds it hard to understand. From the time of his betrothal to Mary until the finding of the twelve-year-old Jesus in the Temple of Jerusalem, he is there at every moment with loving care. As the spouse of Mary, he is at her side in good times and bad, on the journey to Bethlehem for the census and in the anxious and joyful hours when she gave birth; amid the drama of the flight into Egypt and during the frantic search for their child in the Temple; and later in the day-to-day life of the home of Nazareth, in the workshop where he taught his trade to Jesus.

How does Joseph respond to his calling to be the protector of Mary, Jesus and the Church? By being constantly attentive to God, open to the signs of God’s presence and receptive to God’s plans, and not simply to his own. This is what God asked of David, as we heard in the first reading. God does not want a house built by men, but faithfulness to his word, to his plan. It is God himself who builds the house, but from living stones sealed by his Spirit. Joseph is a “protector” because he is able to hear God’s voice and be guided by his will; and for this reason he is all the more sensitive to the persons entrusted to his safekeeping. He can look at things realistically, he is in touch with his surroundings, he can make truly wise decisions. In him, dear friends, we learn how to respond to God’s call, readily and willingly, but we also see the core of the Christian vocation, which is Christ! Let us protect Christ in our lives, so that we can protect others, so that we can protect creation!

The vocation of being a “protector”, however, is not just something involving us Christians alone; it also has a prior dimension which is simply human, involving everyone. It means protecting all creation, the beauty of the created world, as the Book of Genesis tells us and as Saint Francis of Assisi showed us. It means respecting each of God’s creatures and respecting the environment in which we live. It means protecting people, showing loving concern for each and every person, especially children, the elderly, those in need, who are often the last we think about. It means caring for one another in our families: husbands and wives first protect one another, and then, as parents, they care for their children, and children themselves, in time, protect their parents. It means building sincere friendships in which we protect one another in trust, respect, and goodness. In the end, everything has been entrusted to our protection, and all of us are responsible for it. Be protectors of God’s gifts!

Whenever human beings fail to live up to this responsibility, whenever we fail to care for creation and for our brothers and sisters, the way is opened to destruction and hearts are hardened. Tragically, in every period of history there are “Herods” who plot death, wreak havoc, and mar the countenance of men and women.

Please, I would like to ask all those who have positions of responsibility in economic, political and social life, and all men and women of goodwill: let us be “protectors” of creation, protectors of God’s plan inscribed in nature, protectors of one another and of the environment. Let us not allow omens of destruction and death to accompany the advance of this world! But to be “protectors”, we also have to keep watch over ourselves! Let us not forget that hatred, envy and pride defile our lives! Being protectors, then, also means keeping watch over our emotions, over our hearts, because they are the seat of good and evil intentions: intentions that build up and tear down! We must not be afraid of goodness or even tenderness!

Here I would add one more thing: caring, protecting, demands goodness, it calls for a certain tenderness. In the Gospels, Saint Joseph appears as a strong and courageous man, a working man, yet in his heart we see great tenderness, which is not the virtue of the weak but rather a sign of strength of spirit and a capacity for concern, for compassion, for genuine openness to others, for love. We must not be afraid of goodness, of tenderness!

Today, together with the feast of Saint Joseph, we are celebrating the beginning of the ministry of the new Bishop of Rome, the Successor of Peter, which also involves a certain power. Certainly, Jesus Christ conferred power upon Peter, but what sort of power was it? Jesus’ three questions to Peter about love are followed by three commands: feed my lambs, feed my sheep. Let us never forget that authentic power is service, and that the Pope too, when exercising power, must enter ever more fully into that service which has its radiant culmination on the Cross. He must be inspired by the lowly, concrete and faithful service which marked Saint Joseph and, like him, he must open his arms to protect all of God’s people and embrace with tender affection the whole of humanity, especially the poorest, the weakest, the least important, those whom Matthew lists in the final judgment on love: the hungry, the thirsty, the stranger, the naked, the sick and those in prison (cf. Mt 25:31-46). Only those who serve with love are able to protect!

In the second reading, Saint Paul speaks of Abraham, who, “hoping against hope, believed” (Rom 4:18). Hoping against hope! Today too, amid so much darkness, we need to see the light of hope and to be men and women who bring hope to others. To protect creation, to protect every man and every woman, to look upon them with tenderness and love, is to open up a horizon of hope; it is to let a shaft of light break through the heavy clouds; it is to bring the warmth of hope! For believers, for us Christians, like Abraham, like Saint Joseph, the hope that we bring is set against the horizon of God, which has opened up before us in Christ. It is a hope built on the rock which is God.

To protect Jesus with Mary, to protect the whole of creation, to protect each person, especially the poorest, to protect ourselves: this is a service that the Bishop of Rome is called to carry out, yet one to which all of us are called, so that the star of hope will shine brightly. Let us protect with love all that God has given us!

I implore the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Saint Joseph, Saints Peter and Paul, and Saint Francis, that the Holy Spirit may accompany my ministry, and I ask all of you to pray for me! Amen.
 
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