Miss Kane
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Jonathan.... David and Jonathan were very close. Jonathan was the one who warned David about his father's plan to kill him.
I think....
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Jonathan.... David and Jonathan were very close. Jonathan was the one who warned David about his father's plan to kill him.
I think....
Iwanthealthyhair67
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I'm going to say that Saul had no more sons left however, Mephibosheth(sp?) Jonathan's son Saul's grandson was alive and because of David and Jonathan's relationship David vowed to take care of Mephibosheth for the rest if his life, Mephobsheth would have a place a the Kings table.
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Iwanthealthyhair67 is correct.
Iwanthealthyhair67
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Aaron had 4 sons, name them...which 2 died and why?
HairNinja
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I don't understand how? Mephobesheph was my first answer but he is a grandson. After further research I found that after Saul and his 3 sons all died Isphosheth became the King cause he was the only one of Sauls sons still alive.
His name was originally Eshbaal (1 Chronicles 8:33;*9:39). He was about forty years of age when his father and three brothers fell at the battle of Gilboa. And David cut off the head of his murderers out of respect for Saul and his household.
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HairNinja
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Maybe she didn't know Saul had a son survive. Cause I sure didn't you learn something new everyday.
I should have worded the question differently. I was focused on Mephibosheth and how King David honored him.
I looked at 2 Samuel Chapter 9:
And David said, Is there yet any that is left of the house of Saul, that I may shew him kindness for Jonathan's sake?
2 And there was of the house of Saul a servant whose name was Ziba. And when they had called him unto David, the king said unto him, Art thou Ziba? And he said, Thy servant is he.
3 And the king said, Is there not yet any of the house of Saul, that I may shew the kindness of God unto him? And Ziba said unto the king, Jonathan hath yet a son, which is lame on his feet.
4 And the king said unto him, Where is he? And Ziba said unto the king, Behold, he is in the house of Machir, the son of Ammiel, in Lodebar.
5 Then king David sent, and fetched him out of the house of Machir, the son of Ammiel, from Lodebar.
6 Now when Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, was come unto David, he fell on his face, and did reverence. And David said, Mephibosheth. And he answered, Behold thy servant!
7 And David said unto him, Fear not: for I will surely shew thee kindness for Jonathan thy father's sake, and will restore thee all the land of Saul thy father; and thou shalt eat bread at my table continually.
8 And he bowed himself, and said, What is thy servant, that thou shouldest look upon such a dead dog as I am?
9 Then the king called to Ziba, Saul's servant, and said unto him, I have given unto thy master's son all that pertained to Saul and to all his house.
10 Thou therefore, and thy sons, and thy servants, shall till the land for him, and thou shalt bring in the fruits, that thy master's son may have food to eat: but Mephibosheth thy master's son shall eat bread alway at my table. Now Ziba had fifteen sons and twenty servants.
11 Then said Ziba unto the king, According to all that my lord the king hath commanded his servant, so shall thy servant do. As for Mephibosheth, said the king, he shall eat at my table, as one of the king's sons.
12 And Mephibosheth had a young son, whose name was Micha. And all that dwelt in the house of Ziba were servants unto Mephibosheth.
13 So Mephibosheth dwelt in Jerusalem: for he did eat continually at the king's table; and was lame on both his feet.
I looked at 2 Samuel Chapter 9:
And David said, Is there yet any that is left of the house of Saul, that I may shew him kindness for Jonathan's sake?
2 And there was of the house of Saul a servant whose name was Ziba. And when they had called him unto David, the king said unto him, Art thou Ziba? And he said, Thy servant is he.
3 And the king said, Is there not yet any of the house of Saul, that I may shew the kindness of God unto him? And Ziba said unto the king, Jonathan hath yet a son, which is lame on his feet.
4 And the king said unto him, Where is he? And Ziba said unto the king, Behold, he is in the house of Machir, the son of Ammiel, in Lodebar.
5 Then king David sent, and fetched him out of the house of Machir, the son of Ammiel, from Lodebar.
6 Now when Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, was come unto David, he fell on his face, and did reverence. And David said, Mephibosheth. And he answered, Behold thy servant!
7 And David said unto him, Fear not: for I will surely shew thee kindness for Jonathan thy father's sake, and will restore thee all the land of Saul thy father; and thou shalt eat bread at my table continually.
8 And he bowed himself, and said, What is thy servant, that thou shouldest look upon such a dead dog as I am?
9 Then the king called to Ziba, Saul's servant, and said unto him, I have given unto thy master's son all that pertained to Saul and to all his house.
10 Thou therefore, and thy sons, and thy servants, shall till the land for him, and thou shalt bring in the fruits, that thy master's son may have food to eat: but Mephibosheth thy master's son shall eat bread alway at my table. Now Ziba had fifteen sons and twenty servants.
11 Then said Ziba unto the king, According to all that my lord the king hath commanded his servant, so shall thy servant do. As for Mephibosheth, said the king, he shall eat at my table, as one of the king's sons.
12 And Mephibosheth had a young son, whose name was Micha. And all that dwelt in the house of Ziba were servants unto Mephibosheth.
13 So Mephibosheth dwelt in Jerusalem: for he did eat continually at the king's table; and was lame on both his feet.
Iwanthealthyhair67
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Laela
Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
Aaron's sons were Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar
God struck down the first two, the older ones, because they disobeyed His commands. Flagrant irreverence by going into the Temple dressed inappropriately and being intoxicated, overly righteous, defiant and arrogant. I believe their deaths was also punishment for the sin of their father, for the Golden Calf.
Reference: Leviticus 10 and 16
Iwanthealthyhair67
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Thank you Laela
but they were disobedient to the Lords commands how, the reasons you listed are correct but you didn't mention all they did/why they were they killed, sorry if I wasn't more clear before.
but they were disobedient to the Lords commands how, the reasons you listed are correct but you didn't mention all they did/why they were they killed, sorry if I wasn't more clear before.
Lucia
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Yes...they didn't like Moses wife because she was black. Racism ain't nuthin new....
Exodus 4:6,7
Then the Lord said, “Put your hand inside your cloak.” So Moses put his hand into his cloak, and when he took it out, the skin was leprous[a]—it had become as white as snow.
7 “Now put it back into your cloak,” he said. So Moses put his hand back into his cloak, and when he took it out, it was restored, like the rest of his flesh.
Laela
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Sorry for the overview of the story itself...
God's strict commands for the priesthood (and all of the Law) were strict and not to be taken lightly but to be followed as prescribed. Specifically the eldest sons both offered "strange fire" by not keeping God's law for incense offering (Ex. 30) and instead offered incense that was not authorized or prescribed by God. So their offering was unholy and unclean. God admonished Aaron and prescribed to Moses what to do for Atonement (Lev 16)
Lev 10: 1-2
God's strict commands for the priesthood (and all of the Law) were strict and not to be taken lightly but to be followed as prescribed. Specifically the eldest sons both offered "strange fire" by not keeping God's law for incense offering (Ex. 30) and instead offered incense that was not authorized or prescribed by God. So their offering was unholy and unclean. God admonished Aaron and prescribed to Moses what to do for Atonement (Lev 16)
Lev 10: 1-2
Lev 10: 8-11
Iwanthealthyhair67
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@Laela
no worries, you are correct, please ask the next question.
I wonder if they were messed up on the incense because they were drunk either way they didn't follow instructions ...there's a way to enter into the presence of God that hasn't changed ...
no worries, you are correct, please ask the next question.
I wonder if they were messed up on the incense because they were drunk either way they didn't follow instructions ...there's a way to enter into the presence of God that hasn't changed ...
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NICOLETHENUMBERONE
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Aaron
Numbers 16
47And Aaron took as Moses commanded, and ran into the midst of the congregation; and, behold, the plague was begun among the people: and he put on incense, and made an atonement for the people.
naturalfinally
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Happy New Year EveryoneWho said 'Silver and Gold have I none, but such be it unto you... and to whom was it said and why?' With an added note, the rest of this quoted scripture, be it unto you... God's Total Healing in Jesus' Name, Amen.
In Acts 3. Peter said the quote "silver and gold have I none...".
Peter said it to the lame man who was lame from his mother's womb.
It was said because the man was asking for alms from those that came to the temple
At this point everyone of those those that were filled and converted in chapter 2 (added 3000) had sold all of their possessions and split it among all to meet everyone's needs. So it doesn't say that there was a lot of extra money left over to give alms.
naturalfinally... Amen
From verse 16 ...
“Jesus’ name has healed this man—and you know how lame he was before. Faith in Jesus’ name—faith given us from God—has caused this perfect healing.
momi
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Laela
Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
@naturalfinally, looks like you got Next! 
Laela
Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
You're right, HWAY... He was running from Jezebel and sought solace in Father God.
oh, I esp. love this part of the story:
All at once, a strong wind shook the mountain and shattered the rocks. But the Lord was not in the wind. Next, there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 Then there was a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire.
Finally, there was a gentle breeze,[b] 13 and when Elijah heard it, he covered his face with his coat. He went out and stood at the entrance to the cave.
There are times we tend to look for a mighty, great noise from God when He chooses to come in a gentle breeze instead.
Abba, Father!
He was running from Jezebel and sought solace in Father God.oh, I esp. love this part of the story:
All at once, a strong wind shook the mountain and shattered the rocks. But the Lord was not in the wind. Next, there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 Then there was a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire.
Finally, there was a gentle breeze,[b] 13 and when Elijah heard it, he covered his face with his coat. He went out and stood at the entrance to the cave.
There are times we tend to look for a mighty, great noise from God when He chooses to come in a gentle breeze instead.
Abba, Father!
Iwanthealthyhair67
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Judah said this of Tamar, long story short Tamar was married to one of Judah's sons he died, as was custom (so that Er would have an heir) the second son then wedded Tamar and he died then the third son was promised to Tamar, when he became of age Judah did not allow him to wed Tamar.
She then deceived her father in law by pretending to be a prostitute and slept with him, she became pregnant with his (her fil) child. When he realized the deception and its result his response was; She is more righteous than I ...
Gen 38
6And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. 8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. 11Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.
12And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite. 13And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep. 14And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. 15When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. 16And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? 17And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? 18And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. 19And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood.
20And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not. 21Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place. 22And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place. 23And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.
24And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. 25When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff. 26And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.
She then deceived her father in law by pretending to be a prostitute and slept with him, she became pregnant with his (her fil) child. When he realized the deception and its result his response was; She is more righteous than I ...
Gen 38
6And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. 8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. 11Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.
12And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite. 13And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep. 14And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. 15When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. 16And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? 17And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? 18And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. 19And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood.
20And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not. 21Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place. 22And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place. 23And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.
24And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. 25When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff. 26And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.
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