Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[Dak]

My next BKT will be with DreamHair, but I haven't geared myself up to do it yet. It takes sooooo long. I *think* QOD does have formaldehyde, just a low enough amount that they don't have to list it. Better to just do the treatment in the best ventilated part of your house, or even better, outside.

 

[*fabulosity*]

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=430116

Please read and if you've purchased a liter lately... post how much you paid.

No justice..No peace.

 

[sheba1]

Well guys, I did my flat iron, and it was not good. http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=430150

 

[Br*nzeb*mbsh~ll]

Sheba, see my post.

 

[anhdds2011]

Hi Ladies! I just recently joined LHCF, I've ben stalking a while, particularly this post, and will be BKT-ing for the first time in January. I'll be using the Rejuvenol brand. Any advice? I'm pretty exciting about really getting this hair journey started!

 

[Muse]

Does OK keratin have their own website? I couldn't find one when I googled. Also does anyone know the ingredients? I figure I'd better start researching a replacement now because I doubt Ana will budge on the prices.

 

[Muse]

Hi Ladies! I just recently joined LHCF, I've ben stalking a while, particularly this post, and will be BKT-ing for the first time in January. I'll be using the Rejuvenol brand. Any advice? I'm pretty exciting about really getting this hair journey started!

Welcome! Hopefully Naturaltobe chimes in. She uses that brand.

 

[sheba1]

Does OK keratin have their own website? I couldn't find one when I googled. Also does anyone know the ingredients? I figure I'd better start researching a replacement now because I doubt Ana will budge on the prices.

Here you go, Muse
http://ok-original-keratin.com/

You can also find it on ebay. They have a new one day formula, so make sure you get that one.

ETA: You might want to get in touch with AtlantaJJ, Muse, as she was speaking to a seller on ebay that has both the dreamhair and the OK brand and said she likes the OK brand 1 day formula result better than Dreamhair. Add to that that it's cheaper and.. well

 

[Muse]

Here you go, Muse
http://ok-original-keratin.com/

You can also find it on ebay. They have a new one day formula, so make sure you get that one.

ETA: You might want to get in touch with AtlantaJJ, Muse, as she was speaking to a seller on ebay that has both the dreamhair and the OK brand and said she likes the OK brand 1 day formula result better than Dreamhair. Add to that that it's cheaper and.. well

Thank you! Thank you! Yay off to research OK. Hard to imagine better results than DH but I will try it and hopefully like it because the price is great!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

^^I have the OK One day, I'm going to use it my next BKT. I'm doing a roots BKT with Global 4% right now because the color I did stripped away all my BKT on the roots it seems. I needed a "touch up" LOL

My hair likes Global better. It leaves body in my hair. I still get straight and have the swing, but i keep body and my strands seem thicker. I'm a Global application pro now. I little to no smoke when I hit my roots.

I'll try Dream hair on my roots again. I'll do a lower temp and see if that helps...

My color came out good, grays are covered. I am not sure I can do the color and the BKT on the same day. The color made my hair so smooth. I'm not sure if the BKT would get into the cuticle after the color. I used the Global shampoo today to rough up the cuticle so the BKT would stick.

 

[sheba1]

^^^ Cool! Thanks, AtlantaJJ! Hey, which seller was it, do you remember? that said she liked the OK Keratin better than the Dreamhair?

Oh, and come check out my update! http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=430258

It was sad at first cuz I had a minor set back. But God blessed me with a speedy plan to recovery!

 

[Muse]

Here is what one ebay seller gave me on the ingredients:

Hello
a quick list...
distelled water, propylene glycol, cetearyl alcohol, keratin, cetrimoinium chloride, cyclopentasiloxone, dimeticone,, formaldeyhde, hydrolyze silk. amodimethicone, vit e, imidazoiyhiml urea fragacnce

I asked her specifically about the collagen yet I don't see it. She said it was a "quick" list so I don't think she wants to give me all the ingredients.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

has anyone tried Qod gold?

PinkSkates used it and got good results. It's concentrated so you want to make sure not to use too much. Global is the same way. The QOD has the 3 -4 day before you wash, wet, or sweat, etc period same as Global.

 

[Natural Glow]

Here is what one ebay seller gave me on the ingredients:

Hello
a quick list...
distelled water, propylene glycol, cetearyl alcohol, keratin, cetrimoinium chloride, cyclopentasiloxone, dimeticone,, formaldeyhde, hydrolyze silk. amodimethicone, vit e, imidazoiyhiml urea fragacnce

I asked her specifically about the collagen yet I don't see it. She said it was a "quick" list so I don't think she wants to give me all the ingredients.

I don't know why they act funny about giving the ingredients like you gonna sit in your living room manufacturing BKT

 

[Ganjababy]

I don't know why they act funny about giving the ingredients like you gonna sit in your living room manufacturing BKT

With all the mixologist on here, I would not put it past some of the ladies on here

 

[Muse]

I don't know why they act funny about giving the ingredients like you gonna sit in your living room manufacturing BKT

I know!

With all the mixologist on here, I would not put it past some of the ladies on here

Lol, too funny!

Anyway with that much propylene glycol in it I think I'll pass. I read that stuff breaks down protein. Which to me defeats the purpose of the treatment if it's included in such a large quantity. Bummer! Off to research other brands.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I wish I knew what Global's list of ingredients were. It would probably scare me though I'm just amazed at how much body my hair has after a treatment with Global vs Dreamhair. My hair was limp and was flopping all over the place with Dreamhair. (remember I have fine cotton candy hair) I'm always searching for things to give my hair weight and increased strand diameter. That's why I loved henna and Cellophanes.

 

[mstar]

I wish I knew what Global's list of ingredients were. It would probably scare me though I'm just amazed at how much body my hair has after a treatment with Global vs Dreamhair. My hair was limp and was flopping all over the place with Dreamhair. (remember I have fine cotton candy hair) I'm always searching for things to give my hair weight and increased strand diameter. That's why I loved henna and Cellophanes.

That's good to know, since we are hair twins.

 

[precious-olivia]

You don't have to, Lilikoi, you can wash immediately after application with Softliss, Dreamhair and the new OK Keratin formula.

Here's a vid of the regular salon app with Softliss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHu3p9Gva8E

I've been washing same day, if I want with Global with no problems and it's not even a same day wash formula. No biggie.

What's the new OK Keratin formula, sheba? I bought the OK treatment from a ebay seller -> http://cgi.ebay.ca/Brazilian-kerati...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3358a9af87http://cgi.ebay.ca/Brazilian-keratin-treatment-Ok-Chocolate-4oz-FDA_W0QQitemZ220530847623QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3358a9af87 and I want to know if this is the new formula. If it is not may you direct me to a ebay seller who carries the new formula? PM me please.

 

[sheba1]

What's the new OK Keratin formula, sheba? I bought the OK treatment from a ebay seller -> http://cgi.ebay.ca/Brazilian-kerati...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3358a9af87http://cgi.ebay.ca/Brazilian-kerati...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3358a9af87 and I want to know if this is the new formula. If it is not may you direct me to a ebay seller who carries the new formula? PM me please.

Hey Lady

It says in the advertisement that that is the new version with "next day results". I don't think any of us have used it yet but the original OK version (the one that had to cure over a few days) was used and well received by Cutenss. It got a thumbs up that it (the original formula) was very much like DH. And then AtlantaJJ heard from a seller that sold both DH and OK that she liked the new version of OK better than DH. So I'm excited about it! I think it may be my replacement, after while.

 

[precious-olivia]

Excellent! I tried the QOD sample in October and I loved it, although, the cost for the regular size bottle I did not love. So, I want to give OK sample a try, and if I love it I'll buy the regular size bottle and use it every 4 months (when I take down my weave install).

 

[NorthernCalGal]

Okay, question ladies. Did my 1st DH BKT treatment about 2 weeks ago. My stylist used too much of my sample and I didn't have enough for the back. About 3/4 of my head is great, but my nape aka the mini afro in the back needs some BKT love also. How soon must I wait to do the back? Or should I wait a couple of months and just do the whole head. I just don't know how much longer I can deal with this nape. I'm about 25 weeks post relaxer. I'd also like to color my greys, which I should have done pre BKT, but whoa is me. Any insight is appreciated.

 

[sheba1]

Hey there, NorthernCalGal, I don't see why you can't do the back only, where no BKT has been applied immediately. I did my second treatment only a week after my first. I wouldn't recommend redoing your whole head, though, since you're happy with the rest of your hair.

Man, you know I'm still on the sample that Fab sent me. I did a huge chunk of leave out hair and I've done my whole head and I haven't even reached the half way mark on my 2 oz sample. I highly recommend squirting only a quarter size amount at a time and applying with your gloved fingers. You'll be much more frugal than she

 

[naturalmanenyc]

You can do the back of your head only right away. It's not like a relaxer.

You can also overlap with no worries. I had my first treatment done on/around April 6 and my second treatment was done on April 23.

Okay, question ladies. Did my 1st DH BKT treatment about 2 weeks ago. My stylist used too much of my sample and I didn't have enough for the back. About 3/4 of my head is great, but my nape aka the mini afro in the back needs some BKT love also. How soon must I wait to do the back? Or should I wait a couple of months and just do the whole head. I just don't know how much longer I can deal with this nape. I'm about 25 weeks post relaxer. I'd also like to color my greys, which I should have done pre BKT, but whoa is me. Any insight is appreciated.

 

[BlackHairDiva]

Thanks for the information,

Which soft liss product did you use? The chocolate? strawberry? or marine?

I've tried QOD gold and Soft Liss. I like both. I think that Soft Liss is a better product for someone like me. It only takes an hour to do its magic instead of 2 to 4 days. The QOD gold smells pleasant and does not burn your eyes. When I straightened my hair it felt producty and weird like the strand were sticking together. Once it was washed out 2 or 3 days later if felt really good. The soft liss smells good at first then begins to smell chemically. During the waiting period everyone kept commenting on the smell. This product can make you feel like you have to cough and slightly burn the eyes. So I've been doing it outside on the deck because even with the fans(both portable and bath room exhaust fan) and windows open it was still getting to me. The difference in out come is that the Soft-Liss hair felt less producty afterwards, was straighter and actually hung down. The Gold Max gave my hair too much volume and it would not hang down even though it was straight.


Right now my hair is an experimental battle ground for testing BKT products. I texlaxed the front portion of my head and the back is natural. When I tried the QOD the first time I used a regular clarifying shampoo from the drugstore and it went okay. This was done on a section in the front. When I tried the QOD again after using the Soft-Liss deep cleansing shampoo in another section of my head my hair went to silk and was super straight after washing. I dont know what it is but there is something in those clarifying/deep cleansing shampoos that these companies offer.

About a week ago I went ahead and decided to do my whole head with the Soft-Liss treatment. My textlaxed hair that looked like it was never touched with a chemical is now completely straight after two treatments of the Soft Liss. I mean it air dries pretty straight with hardly any frizz. I put some KCCC in the front section and it dried silky straight and smooth with no frizz what so ever. The back which is natural with remnants of color on the ends was only given the Soft Liss Treatment once. The areas where there is no color on the ends (I've been trying to trim off the color gradually) are super defined and about the size of 4a/3C curls. I naturally have 4a/b type hair that doesn't respond well to products like Miss Jessie's curly pudding. It usually looks white on my hair, but now it melts into it making soft defined curls. The parts with the colored ends looks a bit strange. Reminds me of when I was transitioning. The roots look loose and wavy yet kinky with 3A/2B curls on the ends. The ends still curl up but are silkier and look thinner. I think that the weight from the looser hair is pulling down the curls making them look wavy. My hair is super soft. It really revived my hair is the way it looks and feels. I'd also like to mention that the blow drying process was super easy after letting the product sit in my hair for 20 minutes. I was really able to blow dry my own natural kinky hair straight with a round brush.

Im going to do the back again and see if I can catch it up to the texlaxed hair. Im plan to put a straight weave in sometime soon. I've really missed hair that could stay straight for longer than a few hour or days. Right now I've been using suave shampoos because they dont contain sodium but I fear that the chloride might do something to it. I know for a fact that the Elucence Moisture Balance strips some of the treatment off. The section where I washed the hair with it started to look frizzy and the curl was coming back. This was after the first treatment though. I've been sticking with the suave coconut one and the daily clarifying with no problem so far.

If you're thinking about texlaxing or texturizing your hair you might want to try a BKT first. I think that 2 times or so should give you what you are looking for. This may not give good curly results if you have any chemical processes in your hair. For those texlaxed already, it will definitely give you straight hair. It really zaps out the curls on chemically processed hair. At first the texlaxed portioned looked like relaxed hair when air dried. You know what air dried relaxed hair looks like. After the second time, it now drys pretty straight. Also when straight is doesn't seem to recognize humidity. I splashed it with water and it didn't frizz or wave up. Once I shampooed my hair it showed signs of being hit by water.



Im going to use the what I have left on my Aunt's fully relaxed hair. I have little over a half of bottle left. After i do this I will show you guys the results of her hair and find the pictures of my own.

 

[NorthernCalGal]

Hey there, NorthernCalGal, I don't see why you can't do the back only, where no BKT has been applied immediately. I did my second treatment only a week after my first. I wouldn't recommend redoing your whole head, though, since you're happy with the rest of your hair.

Man, you know I'm still on the sample that Fab sent me. I did a huge chunk of leave out hair and I've done my whole head and I haven't even reached the half way mark on my 2 oz sample. I highly recommend squirting only a quarter size amount at a time and applying with your gloved fingers. You'll be much more frugal than she

Thanks for the reply Sheba. I'm thinking the gloved method will work best. Girl you can work the heck out of a 2oz sample.

You can do the back of your head only right away. It's not like a relaxer.

You can also overlap with no worries. I had my first treatment done on/around April 6 and my second treatment was done on April 23.

It's good to know if I overlap, which I surely will that all will not be lost. Now to decide which brand to use. Decisions...Decisions...:scratchch

 

[Ganjababy]

I made the plunge! I did my first Keratin treatment yesterday.

I was trying to detangle but my hair was a matted mess and I lost a fistful of hair. I was so annoyed. I swear, if it was not winter and if my head was not so big I would have done a Britney. I have lost a lot of my hair due to various reasons.

Anyway, over Christmas I had my hair in a really nice bun and gelled up for a couple days. When I tried to take it down I had dread locks!

So, enough! I said to myself. After reading somewhere on here that it is much easier to detangle, I went ahead and used the HD sample I have had sitting down for several weeks.

After application, drying and flat ironing, I was just horrified at the see-through thinness of my hair! It is extremely thin. It is collarbone length though so that is some progress

I did not take any pics as I am too embarrassed.

This morning I did my first wash. I air dried. My hair is so soft and easy to comb. I cannot keep my hands out of my hair.

If the shedding continues I will have to cut it all off and start over. Garlic treatments have slowed it down and I have incorporated coffee back in my regi. However I cannot take the garlic smell so I have been slacking and the shedding came back with a vengeance.

Anyways I just love BKT. Thanks everyone for all the info you guys have posted- especially AtlantaJJ, Sheba, Cutenz, Fabulosity, myangeleyes and Naturaltobe.

This is a great treatment. I was one of the naysayers but I am a convert now. I don't expect it to save my hair, but I hope that I will lose less hair while detangling because as my hair gets longer it seems to knot/lock more.

 

[BlackHairDiva]

Where can I purchase dream Hair?

Do the BKT treatments with (Fermodyl),...whatever that chemical is called, offer the same results as the one Fermodyl free?

I want my hair to be straight. I did my last relaxer touch up November 1 2008. I have 4a hair...I did a cassia treatment about 2 months ago.

Which kit will give me the best results? I don't want to use the ones with masks etc...I want something easy to use. I saw the rejevenol and OK seems to be easy to use. Which one should I try?

After doing the BKT, can I still use my WEN products in my hair like I usually do? Cleansing conditioner, oil and re-moist cream?

 

[Muse]

Where can I purchase dream Hair?

Do the BKT treatments with (Fermodyl),...whatever that chemical is called, offer the same results as the one Fermodyl free?

I want my hair to be straight. I did my last relaxer touch up November 1 2008. I have 4a hair...I did a cassia treatment about 2 months ago.

Which kit will give me the best results? I don't want to use the ones with masks etc...I want something easy to use. I saw the rejevenol and OK seems to be easy to use. Which one should I try?

After doing the BKT, can I still use my WEN products in my hair like I usually do? Cleansing conditioner, oil and re-moist cream?

Hi,

Ones with formaldehyde usually give the most dramatic and long lasting results. Most of us have gone on a Dream Hair keratin strike until the owner gives us a reasonable price (she was price gouging) but if you really want to buy it still samples can be purchased on ebay. I heard the OK brand is comparable to DH but I have yet to try it.

I use Wen exclusively to wash and condition now and I BKT monthly. IMO this combination is the best! BKT and Wen both make my hair so soft and supple. Also there is nothing in Wen products that will strip the BKT.

 

[texasqt]

Hey ladies! If you've used BKT, please tell us about your results on the BKT DAMAGE OR SATISFIED thread. Trying to compile just the outcomes to see if there is a trend in certain brands, temperatures, processes, etc. that are the culprits behind potential damage.
TIA and Happy Growing!