Yall are putting to many things in your hair.

[Neith]

OP, it's ok to give unsolicited advice about a new product that grew your hair 5 inches in one month etc..but as you can see it's not ok if said advice is unpopular.

Um. Yes.

If someone walked up to you in the street and said, "You need to do so and so to your hair" You'd be like ESPECIALLY if you have healthy, well taken care of hair.

but if someone said "Did you hear about this new product that makes your hair grow?" I would at least listen.

Also... sharing info is different than telling people what they "should" be doing with their hair.

but that's just how I look at it.

There are always two sides to every hair debate.

 

[Junebug D]

A smell a spin-off: 2 shampoos vs. 2 conditioners, which is too much?

 

[msa]

Honestly, it doesn't have to make sense to you, which IMO was the underlying tone in the responses to this tread. It works for hair, so she does it. If it hasn't damaged her hair, then what's the big issue?

I think you're missing the intent behind why I asked the question. Like I said before, I didn't ask because I was trying to get people to justify why they do something to their hair. I didn't mean to come across that way because that's really not why I asked. I asked because I truly didn't understand why someone would do it and what benefit, if any, it has. I don't have to understand it, but I want to.

It's not an issue at all. It's just like when people ask why members might dc with heat or what's the purpose of moisturizing and sealing. I'm interested in hair care and I wanted to understand this particular point. I'm happy that so many members took the time to explain it to me and are willing to discuss it. That's how we all learn.

 

[Neith]

Thanks for explaining. I really hope everyone doesn't think I'm being difficult, I'm just interested in figuring this out. I'm thinking of a thread where Gymfreak talked a lot about clarifying and other stuff that affects the cuticle and how it affects the cuticle.

You said using a moisturizing shampoo after clarifying corrects the ph of the hair, which closes the cuticle. But I don't think that's true. Here's what Gym said (this thread was about using baking soda to clarify but she really talked about the issue of clarifying/conditioning in general):





So, the cuticle opens some just from getting wet, and then the physical act of massaging the shampoo in also opens the cuticle. When she said a low ph shampoo won't damage your hair "as much" that leads me to believe that even if it's moisturizing/lower ph than the clarifier, it's still contributing to opening the cuticle, not closing it. She later goes on to say the second quote, which seems to me to make it clear that shampoo does open the cuticles, but not completely.

Either way, it doesn't seem to make sense to use regular shampoo after clarifying to close the cuticles. I could see how the lower ph of a regular shampoo may "lower" them (if that makes sense), but it's wouldn't close them completely.

***Disclaimer: I'm not trying to twist around Gymfreak's words or anything like that. I'm just using the information as I understand it.***

Now, I'm not sure about whether leaving the cuticles open will allow the moisture to escape just as quickly as you put it in. I think that in the case of dc ingredients that are supposed to have long lasting effects in and on the cuticle that's not going to happen. Those types of ingredients are usually formulated in a way that they don't rinse away so easily, so even if the cuticle were still open they wouldn't just rinse away when you rinse the conditioner out. But that's just my theory.

I don't believe that the second conditioning shampoo corrects pH. It just gives a little slip.

The point is to clarify the hair anyway. Is a second lather really that big of an issue?

It's not like it's unheard of to do a second lather! Especially when clarifying (which we mostly do ONLY once in a while).

My gentle shampoo also doesn't strip my hair at all. Maybe gentle shampoos don't work for you... but they work for me and don't leave my hair dry. They leave less moisture than a co wash, but do not strip anything out of my hair. I can feel a BIG difference between even normal shampoo and a really gentle shampoo.

It's not going to damage the hair in any case.

 

[Vshanell]

I've ALWAYS wondered why people clarify and then wash with shampoo afterward. I've even asked before and never got an answer. I've decided people just like to wash their hair a lot.

I think some clarify then use a moisturizing poo after that. There was a thread on here about it a long time ago about the right way to clarify or something, I can't remember.

I did it a few times after reading it but now I can't be bothered.

 

[msa]

I don't believe that the second conditioning shampoo corrects pH. It just gives a little slip.

That was just the reason GG gave, I was responding specifically to that.

The point is to clarify the hair anyway. Is a second lather really that big of an issue?

It's not like it's unheard of to do a second lather! Especially when clarifying (which we mostly do ONLY once in a while).

My gentle shampoo also doesn't strip my hair at all. Maybe gentle shampoos don't work for you... but they work for me and don't leave my hair dry. They leave less moisture than a co wash, but do not strip anything out of my hair. I can feel a BIG difference between even normal shampoo and a really gentle shampoo.

It's not going to damage the hair in any case.

No, it's not a big issue at all. I just wanted to know about it. I know it's not "damaging" the hair but I do wonder what it is doing and whether it's contributing to chipping away the cuticle little by little. Either way, I've enjoyed the discussion.

I don't use shampoo at all and haven't for a long time since I don't use anything that really needs to be shampooed out. But just like I read about relaxers, color, and flat ironing, I wanted to learn about this just to have the information even though it doesn't pertain to my regimen.

I think some clarify then use a moisturizing poo after that. There was a thread on here about it a long time ago about the right way to clarify or something, I can't remember.

I did it a few times after reading it but now I can't be bothered.

I think I'll try looking for that thread.

 

[Neith]

That was just the reason GG gave, I was responding specifically to that.



No, it's not a big issue at all. I just wanted to know about it. I know it's not "damaging" the hair but I do wonder what it is doing and whether it's contributing to chipping away the cuticle little by little. Either way, I've enjoyed the discussion.

I don't use shampoo at all and haven't for a long time since I don't use anything that really needs to be shampooed out. But just like I read about relaxers, color, and flat ironing, I wanted to learn about this just to have the information even though it doesn't pertain to my regimen.



I think I'll try looking for that thread.

No, no... I understand. but I do think people are getting slightly peeved off cause you're asking too many questions.

I know the feeling

Every swipe of the comb, brush, fingers, hair clip, ponytail holder, headband, etc... contributes to the chipping away of cuticles. We all do our hair anyway though.

I couldn't imagine a gentle shampoo is much more damaging than most other things we do to our hair. The damage is negligible. Can't avoid every source of damage.

The second lather takes 10 seconds, a tiny bit of product and makes my life a little easier when it comes to applying the DC. It's worth a teeny bit of damage on the microscopic level to me

 

[GabbanaGirl]

Thanks for explaining. I really hope everyone doesn't think I'm being difficult, I'm just interested in figuring this out. I'm thinking of a thread where Gymfreak talked a lot about clarifying and other stuff that affects the cuticle and how it affects the cuticle.

You said using a moisturizing shampoo after clarifying corrects the ph of the hair, which closes the cuticle. But I don't think that's true. Here's what Gym said (this thread was about using baking soda to clarify but she really talked about the issue of clarifying/conditioning in general):





So, the cuticle opens some just from getting wet, and then the physical act of massaging the shampoo in also opens the cuticle. When she said a low ph shampoo won't damage your hair "as much" that leads me to believe that even if it's moisturizing/lower ph than the clarifier, it's still contributing to opening the cuticle, not closing it. She later goes on to say the second quote, which seems to me to make it clear that shampoo does open the cuticles, but not completely.

Either way, it doesn't seem to make sense to use regular shampoo after clarifying to close the cuticles. I could see how the lower ph of a regular shampoo may "lower" them (if that makes sense), but it's wouldn't close them completely.

***Disclaimer: I'm not trying to twist around Gymfreak's words or anything like that. I'm just using the information as I understand it.***

Now, I'm not sure about whether leaving the cuticles open will allow the moisture to escape just as quickly as you put it in. I think that in the case of dc ingredients that are supposed to have long lasting effects in and on the cuticle that's not going to happen. Those types of ingredients are usually formulated in a way that they don't rinse away so easily, so even if the cuticle were still open they wouldn't just rinse away when you rinse the conditioner out. But that's just my theory.

I don't think you are being difficult at all. My explanation below is more or less from anyone I may have confused during my late night post...hell I confused myself...lol

The "ideal" Ph balance of the hair is between 4.5 - 5.5 - Anything with a Ph of 4.5 and under, your cuticles constrict. (moisturizing poos are between 4.5 - 5.5)

If the Ph balance of the hair goes over 5.5, the cuticle starts to open (this is how people are able to color, and relax hair, by bringing the PH balance over the 5.5 threshold, thus opening up the cuticle and allowing the chemical to pass freely throughout the cortex).

There are many clarifying poos out there that have a PH balance of 6.0, which means after using it, your cuticles will be open (the severity depends on the condition of your hair).

If you have clarified with one of those 6.0 shampoos, you are left with an open cuticle (again, the severity depends on the condition of your hair). So something is needed, to bring the hair back to it's ideal ph balance.

Hair with open cuticles, or cuticles that aren't properly intact (porosity issues) tends to lose moisture. This is why people who have issues with damaged/open cuticles use products like Porosity Control (which is 4.5 - 5.5 on the ph scale).

Your hair is beautiful by the way...I see you use bentonite clay to cleanse, I may have to try that and see how it works for me.

 

[msa]

No, no... I understand. but I do think people are getting slightly peeved off cause you're asking too many questions.

I know the feeling

Every swipe of the comb, brush, fingers, hair clip, ponytail holder, headband, etc... contributes to the chipping away of cuticles. We all do our hair anyway though.

I couldn't imagine a gentle shampoo is much more damaging than most other things we do to our hair. The damage is negligible. Can't avoid every source of damage.

The second lather takes 10 seconds, a tiny bit of product and makes my life a little easier when it comes to applying the DC. It's worth a teeny bit of damage on the microscopic level to me

Yes I see that asking too many questions bothers folks. I'll refrain in the future.

I know what you mean about everything damaging the hair and you're right, the shampoo isn't really going to do that much more damage than anything else. I guess I was just thinking about the cumulative effects. I don't know why though because for my own hair I'm not really worried about the science of it all. I guess I was just intrigued by it.

Anyway, it makes much more sense to me now so thank you for being patient with me.

 

[msa]

I don't think you are being difficult at all. My explanation below is more or less from anyone I may have confused during my late night post...hell I confused myself...lol

.........

Your hair is beautiful by the way...I see you use bentonite clay to cleanse, I may have to try that and see how it works for me.

Ah, I see. I understand you perfectly. I think I confused myself in there as well. But I've come out the other side with a much clearer picture of the whole clarify/shampoo routine. Your explanation is much appreciated and thank you for the compliment.

Bentonite clay is great! I'm sure I'll get lazy and not use it like I should but it works really well, I never get that stripped feeling, and my hair is clean. It's definitely a keeper.

 

[GabbanaGirl]

Ah, I see. I understand you perfectly. I think I confused myself in there as well. But I've come out the other side with a much clearer picture of the whole clarify/shampoo routine. Your explanation is much appreciated and thank you for the compliment.

Bentonite clay is great! I'm sure I'll get lazy and not use it like I should but it works really well, I never get that stripped feeling, and my hair is clean. It's definitely a keeper.

Off to buy Bentonite clay....LOL

 

[anon123]

I'm surprised y'all haven't seen what the OP is talking about. I have. Well, not 10 leave-ins, but multiple leave-ins. It all sounds so reasonable when people say it, though. It goes like this: put the 1st leave-in, then put a 2nd because for whatever reason it has something the first lacks, put an oil to seal the majority of the hair, put a heavier oil/leave-in on the ends of the hair, put a different product on the edges to help smooth them down, maybe do a spritz for sheen or scent or to give some hold. That's 5 or 6 things to put on after washing. Combine that with at least 1 shampoo, 1 conditioner, and 1 pre-poo, it means your average washing session has 8-9 products involved!

But I think it's mostly harmless. The worst thing that ever happened to me is that my hair felt sticky and hard or tangled. If their hair isn't feeling like that, guess it must not be so bad for them. That's a tad too much for me, though. Still, I can use up to 6 products like this:

1 shampoo
1 deep conditioner (Aveda for strength)
1 regular conditioner (for slip during detangling)
1 leave-in
2 oils, one for the length of the hair and a different one for the ends

 

[Vshanell]

I think I'll try looking for that thread.

I didn't think I would find it but i found it quite easy.

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=93610&highlight=

 

[anon123]

I don't think you are being difficult at all. My explanation below is more or less from anyone I may have confused during my late night post...hell I confused myself...lol

The "ideal" Ph balance of the hair is between 4.5 - 5.5 - Anything with a Ph of 4.5 and under, your cuticles constrict. (moisturizing poos are between 4.5 - 5.5)

If the Ph balance of the hair goes over 5.5, the cuticle starts to open (this is how people are able to color, and relax hair, by bringing the PH balance over the 5.5 threshold, thus opening up the cuticle and allowing the chemical to pass freely throughout the cortex).

There are many clarifying poos out there that have a PH balance of 6.0, which means after using it, your cuticles will be open (the severity depends on the condition of your hair).

If you have clarified with one of those 6.0 shampoos, you are left with an open cuticle (again, the severity depends on the condition of your hair). So something is needed, to bring the hair back to it's ideal ph balance.

Hair with open cuticles, or cuticles that aren't properly intact (porosity issues) tends to lose moisture. This is why people who have issues with damaged/open cuticles use products like Porosity Control (which is 4.5 - 5.5 on the ph scale).

Your hair is beautiful by the way...I see you use bentonite clay to cleanse, I may have to try that and see how it works for me.

Okay, I am coming close to understanding. So your clarifying shampoo is above 6.0 ph. You need to get your hair back to within the 4.5-5.5 range. Are you saying that only a gentle shampoo can do this? So just using a conditioner after the clarifying shampoo wouldn't do this?

 

[msa]

I didn't think I would find it but i found it quite easy.

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=93610&highlight=

Thanks!

I would never have thought to look in that thread, even though it did come up when I searched.

 

[msa]

Okay, I am coming close to understanding. So your clarifying shampoo is above 6.0 ph. You need to get your hair back to within the 4.5-5.5 range. Are you saying that only a gentle shampoo can do this? So just using a conditioner after the clarifying shampoo wouldn't do this?

I don't think she's saying a conditioner can't do it. From what I've read, a conditioner definitely can. Here's another quote from Gym:

Conditioners by nature have lower pHs than most shampoos and some brands in particular have lots of options for conditioning products with pH's of 4 or lower. This really is enough to close a cuticle, especially if you don't open it up as much as you possibly can during the cleansing process and you are maintaining a PROPER moisture and protein balance.

 

[Neith]

I'm surprised y'all haven't seen what the OP is talking about. I have. Well, not 10 leave-ins, but multiple leave-ins. It all sounds so reasonable when people say it, though. It goes like this: put the 1st leave-in, then put a 2nd because for whatever reason it has something the first lacks, put an oil to seal the majority of the hair, put a heavier oil/leave-in on the ends of the hair, put a different product on the edges to help smooth them down, maybe do a spritz for sheen or scent or to give some hold. That's 5 or 6 things to put on after washing. Combine that with at least 1 shampoo, 1 conditioner, and 1 pre-poo, it means your average washing session has 8-9 products involved!

But I think it's mostly harmless. The worst thing that ever happened to me is that my hair felt sticky and hard or tangled. If their hair isn't feeling like that, guess it must not be so bad for them. That's a tad too much for me, though. Still, I can use up to 6 products like this:

1 shampoo
1 deep conditioner (Aveda for strength)
1 regular conditioner (for slip during detangling)
1 leave-in
2 oils, one for the length of the hair and a different one for the ends

Dang. Maybe I just don't pay attention because I rarely see anyone pile on product like that.

Except the curlisto videos on youtube. Anyone watch them?

I still say if the hair is healthy, do you.

 

[Computer Blue]

I totally understand your post but it's just the way it was worded that threw me off. It's kind of accusatory when you start off saying "yall" do this or that. People tend to get defensive if they feel like they're being accused of something, even if they know it's something they're guilty of (or not). And saying "yall" kinda groups everyone together and means that you're accusing everyone but yourself. Believe me, your post is helpful but I can bet that if your title were different you would have received a different tone for your responses.

ITA Although I understand what OP tried to say,at first I was like How does she figure that I do that? It reminded me of LHCF bashing I have seen online where they say we all ______, like we are a cult.

The funny thing is a "seasoned and well known" Avlon Technician's rigid professional opinion is what led me to LHCF. She told me to layer on all these products that were too much for my fine hair and ineffective other than giving the "appearance." When I tried to get help from her because it didn't work, she got defensive and offended. All she knew was her script, but any professional worth their salt knows thath haircare isn't one size fits all.

I don't bash others for their regimens, I only know my hair and I know it better than anyone other than someone who is dead now. Even my wonderful current stylist who prefers healthy long hair agrees.

Also, there are those of us on here who do our research, and there is definitely a method to our "madness".Anything I use is because I have gotten an understanding of what it does for me. Some of us don't try to use our "stash" all at once. I alternate products as I need to. i.e.,I can't use a protein treatment and my usual silk protein leave in.


This Avlon technician also told me to use keracare first lather and follow it up with the hydrating detangling shampoo twice. I tried it once and my hair was overstripped.

 

[GabbanaGirl]

Okay, I am coming close to understanding. So your clarifying shampoo is above 6.0 ph. You need to get your hair back to within the 4.5-5.5 range. Are you saying that only a gentle shampoo can do this? So just using a conditioner after the clarifying shampoo wouldn't do this?

There are various methods one could use to lower the PH balance of the hair...such as a vinegar rinse, and lemon juice just to name a few. Alot of people that swear by ACV rinses, claim that it makes the detangling process easier. This is because the acidity in the vinegar closes and smooths the cuticle.

Everyone can employ their own methods, but I like to make sure that my hair is much more manageable prior to sectioning off my hair and applying conditioner. If I just clarified, and went on to section off my hair, tried to comb conditioner through etc...I would lose a lot more hair than I should, vs if I started with hair that was more manageable. - There is definitely more than one way to get there. But after trial and error, I would much rather work with my hair (in it's most fragile state mind you) when it is easier and better for me to manage. Every head is different though.

Closed/Smooth cuticle = Hair that is more manageable, and strands that are positively charged. Thus preventing tangles, and strands that stick together (negatively charged). Closed/Smooth cuticles also create shiny hair because the cuticles are closed, thus allowing light to reflect from the strands.

Another important factor would be people who DC with heat. That can also open up the cuticle (the heat). So rinsing out condish with cold water, and using a rinse after washing out (like acv) would help close the cuticle....which would allow all those moisturizing properties to stick around longer.

HTH

 

[JustKiya]

As a proud mixologist and user of multiple things on my head at once after I wash it, I just shrugged at her 'advice'. She clearly wasn't talking to me, because I know what I'm doing to my hair, and I know exactly why I use each and every product that I do.

Now, there are people who seem to experiment with 50-11 products at once - and I think that is a natural part of learning your hair. Most of us women here, keeping it real, are here not just for long hair, but to learn how to optimally take care of our hair. If one size fits all advice actually worked for most women, we wouldn't be here.

So, we go through a lot of products, and a lot of combinations of products, trying to find the single (or combo) of things that gives us the results we want.

Sometimes those results come with the use of 3 products. Sometimes those results come with the use of 13 products. Sometimes two women with almost identical hair want two very different outcomes, and thus they use very different products and routines.

As long as it works for them, their schedule, their hair, and their pocketbooks - 'professional opinion' or not, using multiple products is right, for them.

And trying to tell someone to stop doing what they are doing - and that works for them - with a snarky and/or superior attitude is the fastest way to insure that your 'advice' will be ignored.

 

[isabella09]

There are various methods one could use to lower the PH balance of the hair...such as a vinegar rinse, and lemon juice just to name a few. Alot of people that swear by ACV rinses, claim that it makes the detangling process easier. This is because the acidity in the vinegar closes and smooths the cuticle.

Everyone can employ their own methods, but I like to make sure that my hair is much more manageable prior to sectioning off my hair and applying conditioner. If I just clarified, and went on to section off my hair, tried to comb conditioner through etc...I would lose a lot more hair than I should, vs if I started with hair that was more manageable. - There is definitely more than one way to get there. But after trial and error, I would much rather work with my hair (in it's most fragile state mind you) when it is easier and better for me to manage. Every head is different though.

Closed/Smooth cuticle = Hair that is more manageable, and strands that are positively charged. Thus preventing tangles, and strands that stick together (negatively charged). Closed/Smooth cuticles also create shiny hair because the cuticles are closed, thus allowing light to reflect from the strands.

Another important factor would be people who DC with heat. That can also open up the cuticle (the heat). So rinsing out condish with cold water, and using a rinse after washing out (like acv) would help close the cuticle....which would allow all those moisturizing properties to stick around longer.

HTH

Hi GabbanaGirl, Thanks for this, very informative. Would you mind if I were to ask and also just clarity (pardon the pun) this with you; if I were to use an all natural shampoo (which has ACV inside), rinse, do a steam DC with HSR, rinse with cold water, would I need to do a further rinse with ACV or would the cold water be enough to close the cuticles?
Thanks very much

 

[BlackMasterPiece]

I think if its working for you, then keep doin whatcha doin peep miss Traycee's Regimen I seen that and I was like but ya know what? It's workin for her because her hair is almost to her butt now so I can't knock it. just because i prefer simpler reggie's doens't mean imma knock her for her complex reggie.

What might be too many products for a natural woman like me might be just enough for a relaxed woman. Our hair are at different stages of health damage thickness and strength and they need different things.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, if 50-leven products back to back get you the result you want then god-bless. Thats what I say.

 

[GabbanaGirl]

Hi GabbanaGirl, Thanks for this, very informative. Would you mind if I were to ask and also just clarity (pardon the pun) this with you; if I were to use an all natural shampoo (which has ACV inside), rinse, do a steam DC with HSR, rinse with cold water, would I need to do a further rinse with ACV or would the cold water be enough to close the cuticles?
Thanks very much

Well, it would be hard for me to say. Depends on what shape your cuticles are in to begin with. For instance, on hair that is damaged (whether it be heat damaged, or chemical damage) it may need intensive care. Hair that is damaged tends to break easily etc..so I would definitely take extra measures (such as acv rinse after rinsing out condish), to make the detangling process as easy and swift as possible.

When I am on top of my hair regimen, and my hair is in good shape, I am often able to skip doing any kind of rinse after the dc. Cold water will do, and my hair is manageable and virtually tangle free after the condish has been rinsed out.

For those times when I am lazy, and neglecting my hair, I take the extra steps needed to nurse it back to health. What you do to your hair depends on what your hair needs, and the condition of your hair to begin with.

When I had hard water, I used a vinegar rinse EVERYTIME. Hard water deposits minerals creating build-up, and dull hair.

 

[isabella09]

Well, it would be hard for me to say. Depends on what shape your cuticles are in to begin with. For instance, on hair that is damaged (whether it be heat damaged, or chemical damage) it may need intensive care. Hair that is damaged tends to break easily etc..so I would definitely take extra measures (such as acv rinse after rinsing out condish), to make the detangling process as easy and swift as possible.

When I am on top of my hair regimen, and my hair is in good shape, I am often able to skip doing any kind of rinse after the dc. Cold water will do, and my hair is manageable and virtually tangle free after the condish has been rinsed out.

For those times when I am lazy, and neglecting my hair, I take the extra steps needed to nurse it back to health. What you do to your hair depends on what your hair needs, and the condition of your hair to begin with.

If you have hard water, I would suggest using a vinegar rinse EVERYTIME. Hard water deposits minerals creating build-up, and dull hair.

Awesome, thanks very much. My hair is fairly healthy but I’m in a hard water area so will definitely be buying some now. Last question if I may, what ratio of ACV to water would I need for the final rinse? thanks again

 

[GabbanaGirl]

Awesome, thanks very much. My hair is fairly healthy but I’m in a hard water area so will definitely be buying some now. Last question if I may, what ratio of ACV to water would I need for the final rinse? thanks again

No problem , I use anywhere between 1-3 tablespoons per cup of water for an ACV rinse. Sometimes I use a little more, if I over pour, but it never hurt...

 

[isabella09]

No problem , I use anywhere between 1-3 tablespoons per cup of water for an ACV rinse. Sometimes I use a little more, if I over pour, but it never hurt...

Thanks very much.....I've just bought some online

 

[JustKiya]

I love LHCF - in the same thread that someone started solely to tell folks they are putting too much in their hair, folks are figuring out how to put more stuff on their hair.

We rock.

 

[Neith]

ITA Although I understand what OP tried to say,at first I was like How does she figure that I do that? It reminded me of LHCF bashing I have seen online where they say we all ______, like we are a cult.

The funny thing is a "seasoned and well known" Avlon Technician's rigid professional opinion is what led me to LHCF. She told me to layer on all these products that were too much for my fine hair and ineffective other than giving the "appearance." When I tried to get help from her because it didn't work, she got defensive and offended. All she knew was her script, but any professional worth their salt knows thath haircare isn't one size fits all.

I don't bash others for their regimens, I only know my hair and I know it better than anyone other than someone who is dead now. Even my wonderful current stylist who prefers healthy long hair agrees.

Also, there are those of us on here who do our research, and there is definitely a method to our "madness".Anything I use is because I have gotten an understanding of what it does for me. Some of us don't try to use our "stash" all at once. I alternate products as I need to. i.e.,I can't use a protein treatment and my usual silk protein leave in.


This Avlon technician also told me to use keracare first lather and follow it up with the hydrating detangling shampoo twice. I tried it once and my hair was overstripped.

Good that you brought that up. They are both ALS based. I never understood how you can have ALS in a hydrating detangling poo... but people seem to love the stuff.

 

[Traycee]

I think if its working for you, then keep doin whatcha doin peep miss Traycee's Regimen I seen that and I was like but ya know what? It's workin for her because her hair is almost to her butt now so I can't knock it. just because i prefer simpler reggie's doens't mean imma knock her for her complex reggie.

What might be too many products for a natural woman like me might be just enough for a relaxed woman. Our hair are at different stages of health damage thickness and strength and they need different things.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, if 50-leven products back to back get you the result you want then god-bless. Thats what I say.

hahahaha...PDJ yes...But I don't use all those products at one time..I thought that was obivious....Those are products that were in rotation .Hahahaha...Most of them are sent to me free to do reviews..

 

[sharifeh]

Yes I see that asking too many questions bothers folks. I'll refrain in the future.

I know what you mean about everything damaging the hair and you're right, the shampoo isn't really going to do that much more damage than anything else. I guess I was just thinking about the cumulative effects. I don't know why though because for my own hair I'm not really worried about the science of it all. I guess I was just intrigued by it.

Anyway, it makes much more sense to me now so thank you for being patient with me.

Can I just say that msa answers so many questions around here, and she doesn't seem to mind answering the same questions over and over, and searching the boards for people...if she has questions for once, why are people getting impatient?
sheesh

anyway I don't have an answer for the clarifying then moisturizing shampoo afterwards question.

But I did read something on this board about trying to use a clarifying shampoo in your scalp only and not the length of your hair and then using one of those moisturizing shampoos more on the length of your hair than on your scalp, so your scalp won't build up and so that you could use the shampoo to detangle.