Are you a selective naturalist?

[PeanutButterandHoney]

This is something that is starting to bother me because I do not understand it at all. I have seen some women shun alcohols, silicones, petroleum and/or mineral oil yet they are BKT'ing and perming the mess out of their heads.

I have also seen women who are BKT'd/relaxed/colored say that they will only use "natural" products on their hair because it's better. I am left to think where was that attitude when you were slapping the chemicals on your heads?

What's with this? I am relaxed (still transitioning) to natural and even though I have almost 4 inches of natural hair, I won't stop using what works for me because it is considered "bad" to some. Some people say that drinking wine (my fav) and eating McDonalds is bad for me. So if this means my Queen helene's is in normal rotation, then so be it. I just don't care about not using things because other people say they are bad for me.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

Well, this should get interesting!!!

Incidentally.... I am not selective ......

 

[vkb247]

This is something that is starting to bother me because I do not understand it at all. I have seen some women shun alcohols, silicones, petroleum and/or mineral oil yet they are BKT'ing and perming the mess out of their heads.

I have also seen women who are BKT'd/relaxed/colored say that they will only use "natural" products on their hair because it's better. I am left to think where was that attitude when you were slapping the chemicals on your heads?

What's with this? I am relaxed (still transitioning) to natural and even though I have almost 4 inches of natural hair, I won't stop using what works for me because it is considered "bad" to some. Some people say that drinking wine (my fav) and eating McDonalds is bad for me. So if this means my Queen helene's is in normal rotation, then so be it. I just don't care about not using things because other people say they are bad for me.

I don't think that you should assume that people aren't using certain items because they are naturalists. I stay away from cones and mineral oil because my hair hates shampoo and I prefer not to use it.

I am relaxed and I only use natural products on my hair because that is what works best for my hair, fits my lifestyle, and is the path I have currently chosen to reach my hair goals.

Generally speaking, we all agree that people should do what works for their own hair. What is good for me, natural or not, is not necessarily good for you.

 

[PeanutButterandHoney]

I don't think that you should assume that people aren't using certain items because they are naturalists. I stay away from cones and mineral oil because my hair hates shampoo and I prefer not to use it.

I am relaxed and I only use natural products on my hair because that is what works best for my hair, fits my lifestyle, and is the path I have currently chosen to reach my hair goals.

Generally speaking, we all agree that people should do what works for their own hair. What is good for me, natural or not, is not necessarily good for you.

I agree we all use what is good for us, but that doesn't stop us from being able to discuss it-tactfully ofcourse. The use of "naturalist" was due to having nother words words to use.

OT: How often do you relax your hair? There are shampoos without silicones and mineral oil. I say this because I don't think I have ever read about a relaxed lady who doesn't shampoo (or atleast do a baking soda rinse or an ACV). What is your method of cleansing your scalp? Especially after you do a touch up.

Back on topic: I can understand people using natural products because they work well on their hair, but it seems almost hypocritical to me to be relaxing and or BKT'ing and saying "petroleum/mineral oil/cones are bad for my hair" because hypothetically speaking, the PBandC's (perms, BKTs and Colors) are considered "bad" but it's all in how and when you use them. There is no sure fire product in and of itself that will break off hair.

 

[Ronnieaj]

I agree we all use what is good for us, but that doesn't stop us from being able to discuss it-tactfully ofcourse. The use of "naturalist" was due to having nother words words to use.

OT: How often do you relax your hair? There are shampoos without silicones and mineral oil. I say this because I don't think I have ever read about a relaxed lady who doesn't shampoo (or atleast do a baking soda rinse or an ACV). What is your method of cleansing your scalp? Especially after you do a touch up.

Back on topic: I can understand people using natural products because they work well on their hair, but it seems almost hypocritical to me to be relaxing and or BKT'ing and saying "petroleum/mineral oil/cones are bad for my hair" because hypothetically speaking, the PBandC's (perms, BKTs and Colors) are considered "bad" but it's all in how and when you use them. There is no sure fire product in and of itself that will break off hair.

I think what she was saying is that she needs shampoo to remove items with silicones and mineral oil, and her hair hates that. It's easier to avoid them altogether.

The key word in your last paragraph was "bad for my hair." Sure, there are products that many people here avoid, like the petroleum, mineral oil, and silicones, but it's all based on what does and doesn't work for one person's hair. It doesn't, IMO, make someone hypocritical to be permed and say that they avoid mineral oil, because a person can keep her hair healthy while it's relaxed and know that certain ingredients are damaging to her own head of hair. Just because someone does something "damaging" to her hair with one product doesn't mean she has to compound the aggravation with other products.

For me, I know that I can do mineral oil in wash out conditioners, but not in leave-ins. I'm natural and use cassia to make my hair shine, because I stopped coloring over 10 years ago. I rarely flat iron, but I'm breakin out the Runway at the end of the month !! I know that I can use shampoo without issue, and that my hair doesn't hate cones (doesn't love, but doesn't hate). I think because hair is ultimately very personal, it's almost impossible to be hypocritical about what does and doesn't work on one's own head. JMO.

 

[vkb247]

How often do you relax your hair? There are shampoos without silicones and mineral oil. I say this because I don't think I have ever read about a relaxed lady who doesn't shampoo (or at least do a baking soda rinse or an ACV). What is your method of cleansing your scalp? Especially after you do a touch up.

Back on topic: I can understand people using natural products because they work well on their hair, but it seems almost hypocritical to me to be relaxing and or BKT'ing and saying "petroleum/mineral oil/cones are bad for my hair" because hypothetically speaking, the PBandC's (perms, BKTs and Colors) are considered "bad" but it's all in how and when you use them. There is no sure fire product in and of itself that will break off hair.

I haven't relaxed my hair since March but I used to touch up irregularly as I felt it was necessary and believe it or not I am contemplating transitioning because I am what you would probably call a selective naturalist except I use cones and mineral oil occasionally when I want to try a product but I generally advocate against them and prefer natural dc's, henna, etc.

I know that there are shampoos without silicone and mineral oil. The issue with shampoo is that you have to use it to get some of this stuff out and shampoo is so drying to me hair so I hate the work that goes into getting my moisture back afterward. I prefer natural not only because it works better for me but because overall I understand that the human body structure, chemistry, etc. is many thousands of years older then much of what is in our currently environments and while much of it is helpful, much of it is harmful as well and I believe that many can find happiness and success by simplifying some part, if not all, of their lives. It is something that I am working on.

I have baking soda and ACV rinsed. I use shampoo when I neutralize after a relaxer and I will also use a moisturizing soap bar if I feel like I have product that I need to be completely sure I get all out. But 98% of the time I cowash only. I don't really know how many other texlaxed/relaxed ladies do the same but never thought I was the only one.

Yeah I don't think that mineral oil is the debil or cones (obviously because I use them sometimes) but I think that many ladies IRL don't know how to use them properly and I often see newbies who have/had issues with products that had these ingredients because they didn't know how to use them properly. And I'm not surprised that they don't because there are some crap products out there parading as moisturizers. But as for me and my hair, if Hello Hydrations makes my hair feel like crap after it dries and I struggle to retain moisture when I use it than I have the right to say I don't like this product and suggest to someone who uses it that they might try to live without it if they are have issues with their hair. We are all here to learn and we often do that by sharing opinions such as this.

 

[Neith]

This is something that is starting to bother me because I do not understand it at all. I have seen some women shun alcohols, silicones, petroleum and/or mineral oil yet they are BKT'ing and perming the mess out of their heads.

I have also seen women who are BKT'd/relaxed/colored say that they will only use "natural" products on their hair because it's better. I am left to think where was that attitude when you were slapping the chemicals on your heads?

What's with this? I am relaxed (still transitioning) to natural and even though I have almost 4 inches of natural hair, I won't stop using what works for me because it is considered "bad" to some. Some people say that drinking wine (my fav) and eating McDonalds is bad for me. So if this means my Queen helene's is in normal rotation, then so be it. I just don't care about not using things because other people say they are bad for me.

Even if they aren't 100% excluding chemicals... maybe they just want to at least LIMIT the chemicals.

Nothing wrong with taking even little steps to take care of yourself.

Everyone is entitled to use what they want for whatever reason they want. Using natural products doesn't automatically lump you in with the "supergreen" crowd. It's a choice that is made for many different reasons.

 

[PeanutButterandHoney]

I think a few of you are missing the point.

I am definitely not knocking down one's choice. I just don't understand the nose in the air attitude that people are having with silicones, mineral oils, etc. Whenever there is a new person asking for tips, I always see people say DONT USE MINERAL OIL OR SILICONES, but I have never (or rarely) seen a person say don't get a PB or C. All of the above can be misused/mistreated and can increase the chances of breakage.

There is no denying that everyone is "entitled" to use what they want, especially since we live in a Free country and I don't buy no one else's products but my own. I hardly give hair advice anymore on my other boards, because on one end you have people saying " I do what I want and your opinion doesn't matter", but pay 6.50-100 annually to read, research and ask questions on hair topics.

I think it boils down to a hypocritical stance of I PB or C but I HATE mineral oil/cones because they are synthetic or fake and they are bad for all people's hair. I am not speaking of people who say these products don't work for their hair, but let's be honest and talk about the many people who don't recommend them for anyone, yet they are chemically altered. I say we all pick our poison. Like I saw a few people in another thread talking about mineral oil and petroleum being too bad to get in their skin, like a relaxer doesn't. A couple of people were relaxed too!That's the stuff I am saying.

I think we just need to be honest for one second and be able to discuss some things without trying to always be politically correct-tactful, yes.

 

[Nonie]

What is PB or C?

 

[dlewis]

This is something that is starting to bother me because I do not understand it at all. I have seen some women shun alcohols, silicones, petroleum and/or mineral oil yet they are BKT'ing and perming the mess out of their heads.

I have also seen women who are BKT'd/relaxed/colored say that they will only use "natural" products on their hair because it's better. I am left to think where was that attitude when you were slapping the chemicals on your heads?

What's with this? I am relaxed (still transitioning) to natural and even though I have almost 4 inches of natural hair, I won't stop using what works for me because it is considered "bad" to some. Some people say that drinking wine (my fav) and eating McDonalds is bad for me. So if this means my Queen helene's is in normal rotation, then so be it. I just don't care about not using things because other people say they are bad for me.

I understand your point.

Well, this should get interesting!!!

Incidentally.... I am not selective ......

very very interesting. share please

 

[PeanutButterandHoney]

What is PB or C?

Perm BKT or Color

 

[Neith]

I think a few of you are missing the point.

I am definitely not knocking down one's choice. I just don't understand the nose in the air attitude that people are having with silicones, mineral oils, etc. Whenever there is a new person asking for tips, I always see people say DONT USE MINERAL OIL OR SILICONES, but I have never (or rarely) seen a person say don't get a PB or C. All of the above can be misused/mistreated and can increase the chances of breakage.

There is no denying that everyone is "entitled" to use what they want, especially since we live in a Free country and I don't buy no one else's products but my own. I hardly give hair advice anymore on my other boards, because on one end you have people saying " I do what I want and your opinion doesn't matter", but pay 6.50-100 annually to read, research and ask questions on hair topics.

I think it boils down to a hypocritical stance of I PB or C but I HATE mineral oil/cones because they are synthetic or fake and they are bad for all people's hair. I am not speaking of people who say these products don't work for their hair, but let's be honest and talk about the many people who don't recommend them for anyone, yet they are chemically altered. I say we all pick our poison. Like I saw a few people in another thread talking about mineral oil and petroleum being too bad to get in their skin, like a relaxer doesn't. A couple of people were relaxed too!That's the stuff I am saying.

I think we just need to be honest for one second and be able to discuss some things without trying to always be politically correct-tactful, yes.

I don't think that's right. Doesn't the member with the longest hair here use vaseline?

No one should be knocking anyone else's regimen, on either side. We do what works for us individually.

Like I said in my other post... maybe people like that want to limit certain chemicals. They might relax every couple of months, but on a daily or weekly basis do not want to use chemicals.

It's reasonable to me. I wouldn't go as far as to call them hypocrites.

I'm not being politically correct I'm not a very PC person. Just my view on things.

 

[dlewis]

I don't think that's right. Doesn't the member with the longest hair here use vaseline?

No one should be knocking anyone else's regimen, on either side. We do what works for us individually.

Like I said in my other post... maybe people like that want to limit certain chemicals. They might relax every couple of months, but on a daily or weekly basis do not want to use chemicals.

It's reasonable to me. I wouldn't go as far as to call them hypocrites.

I'm not being politically correct I'm not a very PC person. Just my view on things.

I use vaseline.

 

[peachfuzzz]

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I'm still learning!

 

[Nightingale]

I agree we all use what is good for us, but that doesn't stop us from being able to discuss it-tactfully ofcourse. The use of "naturalist" was due to having nother words words to use.

OT: How often do you relax your hair? There are shampoos without silicones and mineral oil. I say this because I don't think I have ever read about a relaxed lady who doesn't shampoo (or atleast do a baking soda rinse or an ACV). What is your method of cleansing your scalp? Especially after you do a touch up.

Back on topic: I can understand people using natural products because they work well on their hair, but it seems almost hypocritical to me to be relaxing and or BKT'ing and saying "petroleum/mineral oil/cones are bad for my hair" because hypothetically speaking, the PBandC's (perms, BKTs and Colors) are considered "bad" but it's all in how and when you use them. There is no sure fire product in and of itself that will break off hair.

Maybe you are interpreting this the wrong way. Dare I say, "selectively"?

Petroleum/mineral oil do nothing for my hair but coat it and make it feel tacky. So I would say that they are "bad for my hair". I don't use cones very often because I use natural shampoos that wont be able to lift them from my hair.

For myself, I try to use more natural products because they are not as drying. For a relaxed head you don't want to strip away more moisture than you already have.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

I understand your point.



very very interesting. share please

Well.... .............

I am not a selective naturalist. I am a naturalist. There are some products out there that may do a great job...but........ natural products....less expensive alternatives... and making my own products - have been very successful for me. I don't sell anything... and I won't.... Only because I want people to do what is best for THEM.

I think that there is always a combo of application and techniques....

As most folks know here.... I don't wear relaxers, and have no desire to , for personal reasons...I am a naturalist, because EVERY time I attempt to use any commercial product, the results are disasterous.

So.... I know my hair. It is soft, smooth, and calm - due to natural and organic stuff. I have done this long enough to know... they work. They are cheap. And I don't need too many pricey things out there.

That is all.... Carry on.........

I am also BROKE... and cannot afford all that CRAP.

 

[dlewis]

LM, I meant share the popcorn.

 

[Neith]

LM, I meant share the popcorn.

You're funny.

How do you use the vaseline? To seal like an oil?

 

[Lucky's Mom]

LM, I meant share the popcorn.

Hilarious!!!!!



I hollered out!!!!

 

[dlewis]

You're funny.

How do you use the vaseline? To seal like an oil?

Yes that's how I use it.

 

[dlewis]

Hilarious!!!!!



I hollered out!!!!

 

[Still Sexy Stewardess]

I know this is the hair forum, but I've also wondered ...

Are people as natural about what they put into their bodies as they are about what they put onto their hair?

 

[Eluv]

I should be working right now, but this topic is too interesting.

Hey, pass me some of that popcorn.

BTW, I agree with the notion of picking our own poison, mine is junk food.

 

[Eluv]

I know this is the hair forum, but I've also wondered ...

Are people as natural about what they put into their bodies as they are about what they put onto their hair?

Some embrace the whole natural thang and become raw foodist or vegans. I tried it, but I couldn't hang.

 

[Neith]

I know this is the hair forum, but I've also wondered ...

Are people as natural about what they put into their bodies as they are about what they put onto their hair?

I get your point, but my feeling is... just because someone wants to use natural hair products doesn't automatically mean that they are all green all the time and health nuts.

Not saying that it's bad to be a health nut. but many people aren't, and that's how the real world is.

I don't think anyone should be discouraged for doing something good for their body, even little things.

Even the healthiest, greenest, physical powerhouses STILL have many toxins in their bodies just from the environment.

You can't block out everything. Some people don't try to avoid everything, some do. Why does anyone have to have a problem with it? You're not responsible for anyone else but you and yours.

 

[peachfuzzz]

I know this is the hair forum, but I've also wondered ...

Are people as natural about what they put into their bodies as they are about what they put onto their hair?

This will be interesting to know too! I know convienience foods are packed with preservatives, additives and and gunk! I guess the more you know, the more accountable we are for our health?

Ok, back to observing comments

 

[PeanutButterandHoney]

I know this is the hair forum, but I've also wondered ...

Are people as natural about what they put into their bodies as they are about what they put onto their hair?

Back to picking our poison I guess.
I see a lot of beautiful heads and of those heads are people who say they don't have time to cook a meal or workout, yet they have time to sit under the dryer for an hour plus, pre-poo, post poo, etc, etc.
IMO, that's not my call to make. Doesn't mean I won't question it.
People make time (and obviously selectons) for what they feel is most important.
Reminds me of when I saw this couple at the Whole Foods store buying over 300 of food and herbs but smoking a cigarette on the way home..O.k.

 

[jennboo]

I think a few of you are missing the point.

I am definitely not knocking down one's choice. I just don't understand the nose in the air attitude that people are having with silicones, mineral oils, etc. Whenever there is a new person asking for tips, I always see people say DONT USE MINERAL OIL OR SILICONES, but I have never (or rarely) seen a person say don't get a PB or C. All of the above can be misused/mistreated and can increase the chances of breakage.

There is no denying that everyone is "entitled" to use what they want, especially since we live in a Free country and I don't buy no one else's products but my own. I hardly give hair advice anymore on my other boards, because on one end you have people saying " I do what I want and your opinion doesn't matter", but pay 6.50-100 annually to read, research and ask questions on hair topics.

I think it boils down to a hypocritical stance of I PB or C but I HATE mineral oil/cones because they are synthetic or fake and they are bad for all people's hair. I am not speaking of people who say these products don't work for their hair, but let's be honest and talk about the many people who don't recommend them for anyone, yet they are chemically altered. I say we all pick our poison. Like I saw a few people in another thread talking about mineral oil and petroleum being too bad to get in their skin, like a relaxer doesn't. A couple of people were relaxed too!That's the stuff I am saying.

I think we just need to be honest for one second and be able to discuss some things without trying to always be politically correct-tactful, yes.

People are missing your point because you are making sense .

JK. But seriously, I understand your view, and i agree.

In regards to haircare, folks want to be pure, organic-y, and stay away from sulfates, mineral oil/petroleum, cones, parabens, synthetic dyes yet they douse their heads in relaxer every 2 months

Doesn't make sense to me, well, it does on some level, i understand why the contradiction is taking place, but still.

 

[PeanutButterandHoney]

People are missing your point because you are making sense .

JK. But seriously, I understand your view, and i agree.

In regards to haircare, folks want to be pure, organic-y, and stay away from sulfates, mineral oil/petroleum, cones, parabens, synthetic dyes yet they douse their heads in relaxer every 2 months

Doesn't make sense to me, well, it does on some level, i understand why the contradiction is taking place, but still.

Makes me feel good that someone gets it.
It's kind of like people wh BKT, but consider themselves natural.
Someone please xplain to me how this process is considered natural?

 

[Lucky's Mom]

I know this is the hair forum, but I've also wondered ...

Are people as natural about what they put into their bodies as they are about what they put onto their hair?

As for me and my house hold - yes.......

I don't eat trash constantly.