Lucky's Mom
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http://thebeautybrains.com/2006/06/...n-regular-stores-the-same-as-those-in-salons/
This is what I thought.....
This is what I thought.....
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Salon vs Target?????? According to this article - it is all the same
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MizzBrown
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Went to Target the other day and saw Mizani...I WILL be purchasing it from there one day.
Neither the salon nor Target or BSS's have expiration dates on their products so i dont see how folks can say that Salon products are fresher. I've been in Salons where their products had dust on them as well.
It's called healthy competition.
Neither the salon nor Target or BSS's have expiration dates on their products so i dont see how folks can say that Salon products are fresher. I've been in Salons where their products had dust on them as well.
It's called healthy competition.
JustKiya
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The comments are hilarious. And it cracks me up that not ONE company actually responded to their email(s) as to whether they DO sell to the big stores - but you had a whole lot of people up in arms. 
Ahhh, the money people spend for 'exclusivity', whether it's authentic or not.
Ahhh, the money people spend for 'exclusivity', whether it's authentic or not.
pisceschica
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I personally still woudn't buy it from nonsalons becaue the forumula could be old and because salons generally have sales whereas retailers like target, wal-mart etc don't.
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Nope. I still won't buy salon brands from target or the like.
Target, cvs etc even sell them for the same price or more than the salons do anyway. Some of these hair products sold on the gray market have been clinically tested and have been found to be expired, diluted etc. They are not regulated the way that salon inventory is.
These products are brought from the "gray market" - meaning that is is hard for companies to prosecute stores because the laws are very vague in this area. Its is unethical but not exactly illegal what they are doing.
Besides the whole point of splurging on salon products is for quality... If i'm going to fork out $20 dollars on a DC then I would rather go straight to a licensed dealer instead of running the risk of buying a dodgy product.
It is just preference and what you feel comfortable with at the end of the day.
Target, cvs etc even sell them for the same price or more than the salons do anyway. Some of these hair products sold on the gray market have been clinically tested and have been found to be expired, diluted etc. They are not regulated the way that salon inventory is.
These products are brought from the "gray market" - meaning that is is hard for companies to prosecute stores because the laws are very vague in this area. Its is unethical but not exactly illegal what they are doing.
Besides the whole point of splurging on salon products is for quality... If i'm going to fork out $20 dollars on a DC then I would rather go straight to a licensed dealer instead of running the risk of buying a dodgy product.
It is just preference and what you feel comfortable with at the end of the day.
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Nightingale
On the Grow and Keeping it Simple
The Albertson's in my area has salon products, but most of them are visibly expired. The products have separated and you can see the color is off.
Were these tests done independently? I haven't really looked into it, but I'm curious. I've been in salons where they don't regulate their inventory either and like MizAvalon said, have dusty products on the shelves. I've purchased old Aveda before from an authorized salon
. I'll just stick with Trade Secret and the like if for no other reason than the guarantee is null and void if not purchased from a salon, but this topic makes one think...Hmm good question. I'm not sure if the tests were done independently. I will try and find the article.Were these tests done independently? I haven't really looked into it, but I'm curious. I've been in salons where they don't regulate their inventory either and like MizAvalon said, have dusty products on the shelves. I've purchased old Aveda before from an authorized salon
Btw trade secrets, Ulta, JC pennys are liscened dealers.
Crackers Phinn
Either A Blessing Or A Lesson.
My Biolage Ultra Hydrating shampoo is always more expensive in retail chain stores than at the BSS's. So I wouldn't be able to tell if there's a difference cuz I buy it where it's cheaper.
Those hair care companies know good and hell well they have side deals with the big retail chains. Target would sue them silly if they found a difference between the products they carry and those in the salons and Paul Mitchell woulda BEEN sued if Target wasn't supposed to carry their products.
Aveda is the only product line that I know of that you can't get anywhere except an approved dealer.
Those hair care companies know good and hell well they have side deals with the big retail chains. Target would sue them silly if they found a difference between the products they carry and those in the salons and Paul Mitchell woulda BEEN sued if Target wasn't supposed to carry their products.
Aveda is the only product line that I know of that you can't get anywhere except an approved dealer.
Companies can't sue because these retail stores are NOT doing anything illegal. That is why it is called the "grey market" because unlike the "black market" diversion not illegal. Besides a lot of these companies are greedy and are still making a profit one way or another. It is all about the bottom dollar at the end of the day.
However a lot of diverted products come from places like dept. stores or salons which have closed down or from salons/companies with extra inventory that they can’t shift or products that have been tampered with or expired. And so they sell them off to distributors who then sell them to retail stores. A lot of these products are distributed from aboard also.
I have worked at a couple of hair salons (not in the US) where they had strict standards as far as keeping inventory in check and what was sold to the public. Dusty bottles and stuff have nothing to do with the expiration of a product… it could just be that they were stored in a dusty stock room or something.
Also a lot of people don’t realize that places like Target (especially) sell these products for a mark UP price. I know for a fact that Target sell salon brands for more than the salons do. If I recall some independent investigators covered a story about that. Places like Target get away with this because people just assume that salon prices are higher… not to mention, people have easier access to places like Target, Rite-Aid than they do salons/Ulta/TS etc.
Again nothing wrong with buying your brands from a non-licensed store if you are OK with that. I just prefer not to
However a lot of diverted products come from places like dept. stores or salons which have closed down or from salons/companies with extra inventory that they can’t shift or products that have been tampered with or expired. And so they sell them off to distributors who then sell them to retail stores. A lot of these products are distributed from aboard also.
I have worked at a couple of hair salons (not in the US) where they had strict standards as far as keeping inventory in check and what was sold to the public. Dusty bottles and stuff have nothing to do with the expiration of a product… it could just be that they were stored in a dusty stock room or something.
Also a lot of people don’t realize that places like Target (especially) sell these products for a mark UP price. I know for a fact that Target sell salon brands for more than the salons do. If I recall some independent investigators covered a story about that. Places like Target get away with this because people just assume that salon prices are higher… not to mention, people have easier access to places like Target, Rite-Aid than they do salons/Ulta/TS etc.
Again nothing wrong with buying your brands from a non-licensed store if you are OK with that. I just prefer not to
Ok I found the article about diversion and the prices or salon brands at retails stores vs. salons. An independent team (abc15) conducted the investigation. http://www.abc15.com/content/news/i...d=e51e6e6d-20e3-46d3-ab14-4ef79b353a53&page=2
THE COMPLETE RESULTS OF OUR TEST:
These are the hair products we bought from Safeway, Walgreens and Target.
Here is how they compare to what an authorized salon charges:
REDKEN COLOR EXTEND SHAMPOO:
SAFEWAY CHARGES: $15.69
SUPERCUTS CHARGES: $11.50
DIFFERENCE: $4.19
PAUL MITCHELL AWAPUHI SHAMPOO:
SAFEWAY CHARGES: $12.99
ATMOSPHERE SALON CHARGES: $ 10.00
DIFFERENCE: $2.99
MATRIX SLEEK LOOK SHAMPOO:
WALGREENS CHARGES: $17.99
SUPERCUTS CHARGES: $13.95
DIFFERENCE: $4.04
BUMBLE AND BUMBLE SEAWEED SHAMPOO:
WALGREENS CHARGES: 18.99
LEIDAN MITCHELL CHARGES: $16.50
DIFFERENCE: $2.49
MATRIX COLOR SMART SHAMPOO:
TARGET CHARGES: $15.99
BEAUTY EXPRESS CHARGES: $15.00
DIFFERENCE: 99 CENTS
BUMBLE AND BUMBLE CRÈME DE COCO SHAMPOO:
TARGET CHARGES: $23.99
LEIDAN MITCHELL: $23.00
DIFFERENCE: 99 CENTS
THE COMPLETE RESULTS OF OUR TEST:
These are the hair products we bought from Safeway, Walgreens and Target.
Here is how they compare to what an authorized salon charges:
REDKEN COLOR EXTEND SHAMPOO:
SAFEWAY CHARGES: $15.69
SUPERCUTS CHARGES: $11.50
DIFFERENCE: $4.19
PAUL MITCHELL AWAPUHI SHAMPOO:
SAFEWAY CHARGES: $12.99
ATMOSPHERE SALON CHARGES: $ 10.00
DIFFERENCE: $2.99
MATRIX SLEEK LOOK SHAMPOO:
WALGREENS CHARGES: $17.99
SUPERCUTS CHARGES: $13.95
DIFFERENCE: $4.04
BUMBLE AND BUMBLE SEAWEED SHAMPOO:
WALGREENS CHARGES: 18.99
LEIDAN MITCHELL CHARGES: $16.50
DIFFERENCE: $2.49
MATRIX COLOR SMART SHAMPOO:
TARGET CHARGES: $15.99
BEAUTY EXPRESS CHARGES: $15.00
DIFFERENCE: 99 CENTS
BUMBLE AND BUMBLE CRÈME DE COCO SHAMPOO:
TARGET CHARGES: $23.99
LEIDAN MITCHELL: $23.00
DIFFERENCE: 99 CENTS
MizzBrown
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But if i go the Salons OR Target OR Kroger, and the bottles all look the same and have no expiration date then how are companies knowingly shipping tainted bottles to certain retailers?
Is there a lot number on each bottle? Do they seperate the stack in the warehouse?
With no expiration date or sealed bottle, i still can't tell either way.
Is there a lot number on each bottle? Do they seperate the stack in the warehouse?
With no expiration date or sealed bottle, i still can't tell either way.
Lucky's Mom
New Member
You ladies make some good points. I don't buy many commercial products at all - so this would not apply to me....but I thought it would help.
TaurusAngel
New Member
lol, with me being in college, i'll continue to purchase from Target, CVS, etc. I've been to JCPenneys and then i've been to Target. The savings were just too nice for the same exact thing. Not knocking salons, but they can have old stuff too. Not regularly restocking your inventory is the cause of that.
jazzyto
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Im have purchased Mizani H2O night time from JCP several times and loved it.
This last jar I purchased from Target and I have been puzzled as to why it is not working the same. The color looks a little darker and while it smells the same, its not as strong of a smell as I'm used to. May have to buy a jar from JCP before I rule this out as not working for me anymore.
This last jar I purchased from Target and I have been puzzled as to why it is not working the same. The color looks a little darker and while it smells the same, its not as strong of a smell as I'm used to. May have to buy a jar from JCP before I rule this out as not working for me anymore.
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