YA'LL AND YOUR KERATIN!

[rabs77]

 

[sprungonhairboards]

GO TO BED!

 

[gymfreak336]

Keratosis Pilaris (KP) - a common benign eruption consisting of scaly papules of the follicles; primarily affects the extensor surfaces of the arms and thighs.



Background:

Keratosis Pilaris is a disorder of hyperkeratosis. It is a very common benign condition, which presents as folliculocentric keratotic papules. Although there is no defined etiology, it is often described in association with ichthyosis vulgaris and less commonly with atopic dermatitis

Hyperkeratosis- Hyperkeratosis is a thickening of the outer layer of the skin, which contains a tough, protective protein called keratin. This thickening is often part of the skin's normal protection against rubbing, pressure and other forms of local irritation, and causes calluses and corns on hands and feet or whitish areas inside the mouth. Other forms of hyperkeratosis can occur as part of the skin's defense against chronic (long-lasting) inflammation, infection, the radiation of sunlight or irritating chemicals. Less often, hyperkeratosis develops on skin that has not been irritated. These types of hyperkeratosis may be part of an inherited condition, may begin soon after birth and can affect skin on large areas of the body.
There are many examples of hyperkeratosis, including:

Corns and calluses � When areas of skin are exposed to repeated friction or pressure, thick layers of dead skin cells form the hardened areas we call corns and calluses. Corns usually develop on irritated toes, and calluses form on the soles of the feet and the palms of the hands. For many people, corns and calluses are simply a cosmetic nuisance, but for others, they are a painful and troublesome medical problem.


Warts � Warts are small bumps on the skin that are caused by human papilloma virus (HPV) infection. Plantar warts grow on the soles of the feet. HPV usually is spread by direct contact, typically by touching or shaking hands with someone who already has a wart or by coming in contact with a contaminated surface, especially by walking barefoot on a gym floor or a pool deck or by wearing someone else's shoes.


Chronic eczema � Eczema, also called dermatitis, is an inflammation of the skin that can be triggered by allergies, irritating chemicals and other factors. Eczema causes itching, redness and tiny blisters. When the inflammation is difficult to control, chronic eczema can lead to hyperkeratosis, dry skin, scaling, changes in skin color and localized hair loss.


Lichen planus � This condition may appear as a lacy white patch on the inside of the mouth or as an itchy, violet, scaly patch elsewhere on the skin. Although the cause of lichen planus is unknown, researchers suspect that it may be related to an abnormal reaction of the immune system.


Actinic keratoses � These are flat, red, rough sandpaperlike spots or patches of skin are caused by excessive exposure to the ultraviolet radiation of sunlight. They can be as tiny as a few millimeters. They occur on sun-exposed areas of skin, and they have the potential to develop into squamous cell carcinoma.


Seborrheic keratoses � These are small, noncancerous skin growths. They can be tan, brown or black and are found on the face, trunk, arms or legs. Seborrheic hyperkeratoses are very common, and most people develop between 1 and 20 during their lifetime. Their cause is a mystery.


Inherited conditions � Several inherited conditions cause hyperkeratosis. Lamellar ichthyosis, X-linked ichthyosis and ichthyosis vulgaris cause a widespread, thick, platelike scaling of the skin. Symptoms begin either shortly after birth or during early childhood.

 

[Irresistible]

Just a thought.........if keratin protein is most commonly found in hair care products, how come the most common places that keratosis pilaris are on the skin of the arms and butt. With all the google searching that has been going on, no one has found many pics of it on the scalp just?

but in what time ever before were people putting keratins on their scalp daily? since the condition said it affects the follicles i would imagine it could effect the head follicles as well, they always have textbook typical examples for everything, but damn if I ever fell into any classic textbook case! Ive had doctors tell me while I was sittin there in massive ovarian pain with over 20 cysts in both my ovaries, that nothing was wrong and they didnt trigger it becausd i didnt have weight gain or hairiness the textbook shyt for polycystic ovaries!

again this is a condition of too much keratin and under normal condtions your scalp would never produce these amounts so who is to say, your creating another environment for it than what it should be, thats the only real fact

my guestimation is that some of the results could be the same,but who knows, I guess we are going to find out though

 

[eshille]

1. Hydrolyzed keratin protein - comes from cattle horns, feathers, beaks, hooves, etc.. and the average molecular weight is 2000. Chicago Packing Plant is where most of the cosmetic companies purchase their proteins from - they take all the "usable parts" of the bodies of animals (arms, legs, flesh, hyde, feathers, etc.) and put them in huge vats and cook them. What the term hydrolyzed means is to set free from water. This enables them to refine these proteins down and use them in cosmetics. Again, because they use all different animal parts there is no consistency from bottle to bottle or lot# to lot#. It's just animal protein and too heavy to be of any good.

http://members.aol.com/OurHealth/Hairchem.htm

 

[Aggie]

Let me answer this better! All the rejection of someone being able to speak their mind got me irritable! but ok! to answer anything in moderation! so yes it can be good hence we have all these hair treatments/reconstructors but I have never ever never ever known Keratin to be recommended at this level of use as whats going on now!

Even the drug I take can be taken for a short time and not induce the body to stop producing it itself! Dang! what if all this keratin use, actually stops natural keratin production because its so constantly present! damn that would be messed up!

anyway, again to answer your post with calmness now woooosahhh! Keratin to my knowledge has never been suggested for daily hair/scalp use

so this is new and worrisome! yep

This would be speculation now wouldn't it? Keratin may have never been suggested to use daily but no one ever said anywhere to my knowledge that one can't use it daily either. Correct me if I'm wrong. Besides, you have no clue what concentration of keratin is in these products now do you? I know I know, you keep saying keratin is keratin and it hardens the hair, bla bla bla, but Obviously it hasn't been as bad as you make it sound as many ladies are not really having breakage to begin with. They were shedding and replacing the old hairs faster which as you know is natural anyway. The shedding is well under control now with our garlic supplements and garlic treatments.

By the way, I'm sorry you got irritated with us voicing our own opinions. You voiced your opinion/s and we voiced ours, it's as simple as that. There was no need to get all upset about it. We express ourselves all in love honey.

 

[rabs77]

GO TO BED!

Why, its only 9.18 over here.

 

[gymfreak336]

but in what time ever before were people putting keratins on their scalp daily? since the condition said it affects the follicles i would imagine it could effect the head follicles as well, they always have textbook typical examples for everything, but damn if I ever fell into any classic textbook case! Ive had doctors tell me while I was sittin there in massive ovarian pain with over 20 cysts in both my ovaries, that nothing was wrong and they didnt trigger it becausd i didnt have weight gain or hairiness the textbook shyt for polycystic ovaries!

again this is a condition of too much keratin and under normal condtions your scalp would never produce these amounts so who is to say, your creating another environment for it than what it should be, thats the only real fact

my guestimation is that some of the results could be the same,but who knows, I guess we are going to find out though

Many times actually Joico for example. A popular salon hair care line that has human hair keratin in every single product that they make. If some one has been using their products, they have been exposing themselves to keratin on a regular and I still can't find any evidence in pics of this on the scalp.

 

[Serenity_Peace]

Dang, this is very interesting. Ya'll make me wanna break out my science books..

 

[Irresistible]

yeah so why would ya'lll want too much keratin anywhere?

thats my whole point! and it aint your body doing it. your adding it on your head!

and look at what excess keratin does. But I guess its worth the risk that under the condition of too much keratin all these things can happen. NOT FOR ME!

it was never intended to be used that way, nor horse products for humans, but u know thats another thread!

Ive said all I can say, besides what do you all care, it was for those that dont want to put it on their head/in case, for those that still want to your totally free to do so, nothing I said stood in your way

i know who I posed the risks and the safer alternatives for and it was only for those that would care to take it into consideration and weigh the risk/benefit ratio un-blindly!

its for them to decide now

Keratosis Pilaris (KP) - a common benign eruption consisting of scaly papules of the follicles; primarily affects the extensor surfaces of the arms and thighs.



Background:

Keratosis Pilaris is a disorder of hyperkeratosis. It is a very common benign condition, which presents as folliculocentric keratotic papules. Although there is no defined etiology, it is often described in association with ichthyosis vulgaris and less commonly with atopic dermatitis

Hyperkeratosis- Hyperkeratosis is a thickening of the outer layer of the skin, which contains a tough, protective protein called keratin. This thickening is often part of the skin's normal protection against rubbing, pressure and other forms of local irritation, and causes calluses and corns on hands and feet or whitish areas inside the mouth. Other forms of hyperkeratosis can occur as part of the skin's defense against chronic (long-lasting) inflammation, infection, the radiation of sunlight or irritating chemicals. Less often, hyperkeratosis develops on skin that has not been irritated. These types of hyperkeratosis may be part of an inherited condition, may begin soon after birth and can affect skin on large areas of the body.
There are many examples of hyperkeratosis, including:

Corns and calluses � When areas of skin are exposed to repeated friction or pressure, thick layers of dead skin cells form the hardened areas we call corns and calluses. Corns usually develop on irritated toes, and calluses form on the soles of the feet and the palms of the hands. For many people, corns and calluses are simply a cosmetic nuisance, but for others, they are a painful and troublesome medical problem.


Warts � Warts are small bumps on the skin that are caused by human papilloma virus (HPV) infection. Plantar warts grow on the soles of the feet. HPV usually is spread by direct contact, typically by touching or shaking hands with someone who already has a wart or by coming in contact with a contaminated surface, especially by walking barefoot on a gym floor or a pool deck or by wearing someone else's shoes.


Chronic eczema � Eczema, also called dermatitis, is an inflammation of the skin that can be triggered by allergies, irritating chemicals and other factors. Eczema causes itching, redness and tiny blisters. When the inflammation is difficult to control, chronic eczema can lead to hyperkeratosis, dry skin, scaling, changes in skin color and localized hair loss.


Lichen planus � This condition may appear as a lacy white patch on the inside of the mouth or as an itchy, violet, scaly patch elsewhere on the skin. Although the cause of lichen planus is unknown, researchers suspect that it may be related to an abnormal reaction of the immune system.


Actinic keratoses � These are flat, red, rough sandpaperlike spots or patches of skin are caused by excessive exposure to the ultraviolet radiation of sunlight. They can be as tiny as a few millimeters. They occur on sun-exposed areas of skin, and they have the potential to develop into squamous cell carcinoma.


Seborrheic keratoses � These are small, noncancerous skin growths. They can be tan, brown or black and are found on the face, trunk, arms or legs. Seborrheic hyperkeratoses are very common, and most people develop between 1 and 20 during their lifetime. Their cause is a mystery.


Inherited conditions � Several inherited conditions cause hyperkeratosis. Lamellar ichthyosis, X-linked ichthyosis and ichthyosis vulgaris cause a widespread, thick, platelike scaling of the skin. Symptoms begin either shortly after birth or during early childhood.

 

[Irresistible]

Many times actually Joico for example. A popular salon hair care line that has human hair keratin in every single product that they make. If some one has been using their products, they have been exposing themselves to keratin on a regular and I still can't find any evidence in pics of this on the scalp.

& they are leaving these products in daily and nightly like yall or just using them on clients per salon visit or wash session? what product is for daily nightly use with keratin out there? as one of the top ingredients , still suggested for daily use? none that I know of but this new MT/OCT and one was meant for horses

vast difference still!

 

[gymfreak336]

yeah so why would ya'lll want too much keratin anywhere?

thats my whole point! and it aint your body doing it. your adding it on your head!

and look at what excess keratin does. But I guess its worth the risk that under the condition of too much keratin all these things can happen. NOT FOR ME!

it was never intended to be used that way, nor horse products for humans, but u know thats another thread!

Ive said all I can say, besides what do you all care, it was for those that dont want to put it on their head/in case, for those that still want to your totally free to do so, nothing I said stood in your way

i know who I posed the risks and the safer alternatives for and it was only for those that would care to take it into consideration and weigh the risk/benefit ratio un-blindly!

its for them to decide now

Thats the point. Your body is making the keratin that causes these things, not topical skin care products. If your skin grows from the inside out, how can I thicken it buy rubbing something on top of dead layer of it?

 

[Irresistible]

oh wow! thats sick! lol

1. Hydrolyzed keratin protein - comes from cattle horns, feathers, beaks, hooves, etc.. and the average molecular weight is 2000. Chicago Packing Plant is where most of the cosmetic companies purchase their proteins from - they take all the "usable parts" of the bodies of animals (arms, legs, flesh, hyde, feathers, etc.) and put them in huge vats and cook them. What the term hydrolyzed means is to set free from water. This enables them to refine these proteins down and use them in cosmetics. Again, because they use all different animal parts there is no consistency from bottle to bottle or lot# to lot#. It's just animal protein and too heavy to be of any good.

http://members.aol.com/OurHealth/Hairchem.htm

 

[gymfreak336]

& they are leaving these products in daily and nightly like yall or just using them on clients per salon visit or wash session? what product is for daily nightly use with keratin out there? as one of the top ingredients , still suggested for daily use? none that I know of but this new MT/OCT and one was meant for horses

vast difference still!

*Sigh* See again, you aren't getting all of the facts. Some people don't used theirs this way. I wash my hair daily. Many people have added additional oils and things like glycerin to their products too.

 

[Irresistible]

Thats the point. Your body is making the keratin that causes these things, not topical skin care products. If your skin grows from the inside out, how can I thicken it buy rubbing something on top of dead layer of it?

I dunno but I guesstimate you might be finding out! I know that IF i put some things on my skin repeatedly its going to have a desired effect good or bad, but it will have its effect.

you know skin absorbs anyway, hell they use patches of meds for such, dead or not its taking it in

 

[Irresistible]

BUT
SOME PEOPLE ARE!

i saw it myself, nightly use, daily use, every other day use

*Sigh* See again, you aren't getting all of the facts. Some people don't used theirs this way. I wash my hair daily. Many people have added additional oils and things like glycerin to their products too.

 

[Irresistible]

ALRIGHT I'M OUT

Ive said all I can say. God bless!

I pray actually that none of you have any negative effects! goodnight!

 

[gymfreak336]

I dunno but I guesstimate you might be finding out! I know that IF i put some things on my skin repeatedly its going to have a desired effect good or bad, but it will have its effect.

you know skin absorbs anyway, hell they use patches of meds for such, dead or not its taking it in

Your skin only absorbs certain things. Molecular weight and biological recongntition, like the ablity to excite mediated cell endocytosis play a part in which drugs can be used cutanoeously.

 

[gymfreak336]

BUT
SOME PEOPLE ARE!

i saw it myself, nightly use, daily use, every other day use

And they still have no keratosis.....since these products are so high in keratin like you have suggested, someone would have had it by now with all of the daily use.

 

[nodisrespect]

gymfreak, do you mean to tell me that by using keratin on my head I can get corns and callous on my feet? OH LORD

(Clearly this is an indisputable fact because these two things appeared in the same paragraph regardless of all the other words and lack of any actual link between these 2 things)

 

[gymfreak336]

gymfreak, do you mean to tell me that by using keratin on my head I can get corns and callous on my feet? OH LORD

(Clearly this is an indisputable fact because these two things appeared in the same paragraph regardless of all the other words and lack of any actual link between these 2 things)

 

[alwayzalady22]

but some facts still remain the same and if you sit in that water your gonna turn into a prune, so that water still has an effect I am simply stating that too much keratin can still have an effect and it might be real similar to the genetic condition

and it aint that far fetched, because its imposed, on the scalp! just like you aint meant to drink that much water you aint meant to sit in no water for long periods of time and daily topical use of keratin , since its not meant , will have its effect as well

in every case......too much of something does what it does

lots of things have AN effect... the issue is the positivity/negativity and/or gravity of that effect

sitting in all that water and "turning into a prune" (sitting in 100 gallons of water) does NOT equal death (drinking 100 gallons of water). the difference is in the use and application of said water

the same thing applies to keratin protein, makeup, food and many other things we come into contact with every day: too much generally is bad, but everything in moderation generally has the "effect" of being better for you.

it seems like most people (myself included) that use MT are also taking precautions to prevent protein buildup, including clarifying, diluting the product with moisturizing elements, and DCing with every wash. therefore, i don't really think said people have much to worry about.

i DO agree that our environment can trigger conditions that we may be genetically predisposed to but i doubt that MT everyday will trigger keratinosis or whatever it is the OP is railing against.

 

[sprungonhairboards]

Why, its only 9.18 over here.

Here too

I just feel so sorry for that darn horse He's taken a beating like no other today. Allllll day

 

[nodisrespect]

Would those grapes in your sig happen to be sour by the way

 

[Afro-Indi]

OMFG.

Let me leave this thread before I have to break out the crayons and be rude.

No, its not. Something that occurs from physical mishandling and INTERNALLY are two different things. I can slap you and cause your face to be red or I can give you something you are allergic too and cause you to turn red. Not the same thing.

I can physically take my hands and pull your hair out or I can give you a drug that causes your follicles to die and therefore your hair fall out, again, not the same thing

OT: I just HAD to quote these 2 because I'm LMBAO @ virtual insinuations!
Damn! ..Get easily irritated much?

Nodisrespect; it looks like you didn't get to leave the thread like you planned, huh?