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I don't know if the effects of daily external use of keratin have been investigated, but instead of speculating, you can do a journal search for some empirical evidence. Try Pubmed, Scholars Portal, Ovid, Scopus (my personal favorite), or even that one Google has, what's it called? Google scholar or something.


wise man once said, "when in doubt, check it out" :)

Lys
 
Oh and I didnt see YOU show up to help the lady that DID have massive protein overload from this ish! where were you?

cause UM I was there!

O.k., I just have to ask...why are you so upset about this? :look:

Did that previous thread about Megatek and Ovation really bother you that much?

Because quite honestly, I don't see what the problem is. This is pure drama plain and simple.

You say you're worried people might just slop something on their heads without doing any research...what research have YOU done into the products you're so stridently posting against?

99.9% of the ladies on this board are smart enough to take a look at the products they're using and after some thought and possibly even trying them out for themselves (novel concept, right?) they can make their own decision.

There are also numerous stickies and threads regarding protein overload, and any other hair problem we've all had to battle at one time or another. And the women using the products you seem to dislike so much are here as well to offer advice and counsel. Not scare people with overblown rheteric and prophecies of DOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM! :lachen:
 
More or less its a disinfectant. You know in movies where they kidnap somebody and put the white cloth soaked in some liquid over the person's mouth? that's formaldehyde. its in building materials and many household products.

really and v05 is the bomb, i didn't know it had that in it..
 
The thing is Lys even beyond all this other speculation, although I doubt there has been long term studies because I am sure nobody has done went around putting keratin on their heads daily before. I mean most know this is high risk already! But either way we all know that it can make your hair very hard

and on that other thread when I suggested a probably safer route than using high concentrations of Keratin , regularly like this, I got negative comments back about it!

I don't know if the effects of daily external use of keratin have been investigated, but instead of speculating, you can do a journal search for some empirical evidence. Try Pubmed, Scholars Portal, Ovid, Scopus (my personal favorite), or even that one Google has, what's it called? Google scholar or something.


wise man once said, "when in doubt, check it out" :)

Lys
 
Because someone said things negatively to me there, when I was just speaking my mind! thats why!

damn it dont even take research to know Keratin makes your hair hard! doh!

most people ALREADY know that, and what was it I posted on this thread, RESEARCH, right or wrong, yup, thats what it was :yep:

but by all means dont let me stop you, go put that keratin on your head!

I aint tryin to save yo head!

but this is a fact , PROTEIN OVERLOAD CAN AND MOST OFTEN WILL LEAD TO HAIRLOSS! PONT BLANK! RESEARCH THAT!
But you know its just supposed to make sense what yall are doing :yep:


But that is mechanical hair loss, not hair loss caused by an internal or genetic problem.
 
The thing is Lys even beyond all this other speculation, although I doubt there has been long term studies because I am sure nobody has done went around putting keratin on their heads daily before. I mean most know this is high risk already! But either way we all know that it can make your hair very hard

and on that other thread when I suggested a probably safer route than using high concentrations of Keratin , regularly like this, I got negative comments back about it!

"When in doubt..." :yep:

Lys
 
But that is mechanical hair loss, not hair loss caused by an internal or genetic problem.

right, hair loss just the same! but I wasnt supposed to say nothin negative about precious MT/OCT and what heavy keratin use can do

the other stuff is just stuff I looked up and it made sense to me that you could externally create and environment of too much keratin! :yep:

but thats just my brain, I cannot grasp using large amounts of Keratin as safe for the hair or scalp

as I said, they say they are putting it on their scalps, but all that means is that its getting on the top of the hair, so how much better is to make all your roots hard and brittle? :look:
 
Most growth aids are used to add growths to their pockets... In a year or less it will be off the market once their multimillionares I wonder what ever happened to Surge? off the market, none of that stuff works, your hair will grow if its not in the resting phase and if its is, you just massage your scalp so it can get out of that phase and to start growing again, so puting this stuff on your scalp supposed to get inside of your body and make your hair grow? i dont get it? y not just take some vitamins, work out and massage your scalp? but I think keartin is supposed to be good for your hair if you get relaxers becuase the chemicals take the protein out..
 
right, hair loss just the same! but I wasnt supposed to say nothin negative about precious MT/OCT and what heavy keratin use can do

the other stuff is just stuff I looked up and it made sense to me that you could externally create and environment of too much keratin! :yep:

but thats just my brain, I cannot grasp using large amounts of Keratin as safe for the hair or scalp

as I said, they say they are putting it on their scalps, but all that means is that its getting on the top of the hair, so how much better is to make all your roots hard and brittle? :look:

No, its not. Something that occurs from physical mishandling and INTERNALLY are two different things. I can slap you and cause your face to be red or I can give you something you are allergic too and cause you to turn red. Not the same thing.

I can physically take my hands and pull your hair out or I can give you a drug that causes your follicles to die and therefore your hair fall out, again, not the same thing
 
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right, hair loss just the same! but I wasnt supposed to say nothin negative about precious MT/OCT and what heavy keratin use can do

the other stuff is just stuff I looked up and it made sense to me that you could externally create and environment of too much keratin! :yep:

but thats just my brain, I cannot grasp using large amounts of Keratin as safe for the hair or scalp

as I said, they say they are putting it on their scalps, but all that means is that its getting on the top of the hair, so how much better is to make all your roots hard and brittle? :look:

I have and use both products. My roots are not brittle at all. Very soft and moist!
 
Most growth aids are used to add growths to their pockets... In a year or less it will be off the market once their multimillionares I wonder what ever happened to Surge? off the market, none of that stuff works, your hair will grow if its not in the resting phase and if its is, you just massage your scalp so it can get out of that phase and to start growing again, so puting this stuff on your scalp supposed to get inside of your body and make your hair grow? i dont get it? y not just take some vitamins, work out and massage your scalp? but I think keartin is supposed to be good for your hair if you get relaxers becuase the chemicals take the protein out..
Exactly, growth aides can be not only hype but dangerous!

But even with relaxers daily use and leaving in keratin can still spell big trouble but you know I aint supposed to be 'captain save a head' no mo!

all I did is for the ladies that wanted to 'think this out' say that aphogee is the same and used in moderation is safe!

I dont get this overdoising on protein crap!
 
No, its not. Something that occurs from physical mishandling and INTERNALLY are two different things. I can slap you and cause your face to be red or I can give you something you are allergic too and cause you to turn red. Not the same thing.

I can physically take my hands and pull your hair out or I can give you a drug that causes your follicles to die and therefore your hair fall out, again, not the same thing
lord a reaction or a slap my face is still red!

hair loss is hair loss! set back are set backs! and this is risky for both!

anyone that denies thats its a real possiblity, just aint speakin the whole truth about this!
 
:ohwell:

To anyone else reading this thread and wants more info/convo/questions answered or whatever.....Hit me up via PM

PM you for what , you dont own the market on Keratin!

some things are just across the board with this! This is a hard protein! and too much use has risks! pont blank!
 
Come on ladies. Can we please all just get along. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are all intellegent adults here.

I have just recently built up enough courage to start posting, but after reading this thread, I think I will just start lurking again.

I believe that OP does not have a hidden agenda, but she is only trying to help.

I :giveup:.
 
No matter what you do, you can't GIVE yourself this condition; IT IS GENETIC!!!

Not capping at you, just stressing the point.

Even though a disease is said to be genetic (not speaking solely of keratosis pilaris), a lack of or an overdose on a protein/vitamin/macromolecule/etc. can mimic a "genetic" disease in certain cases, so I don't think the OP is overly reaching with her logic. Most "genetic" diseases are also caused by a host of environmental factors that work in conjunction with pre-existing, hereditary factors.

Also, based on what I briefly read on Medline, it seems like a substantial amount of people have this condition (like 40-80% of adolescents, and 50% of adults) and it's further exacerbated by dry skin. Not sure of the effects of topical application of keratin on skin, but if it creates a drying environment could that not then lead to a 'flare-up' in the many of us who already have this disorder?
 
your quote confused me... is that what they put in make-up coloring or eyeliner specifically? why is red color needed for eyeliner? :look:

Apparently, they add a host of different colors in eyeliners for various colors to come together. Red, just so happen to be one of those colors. Carmine is used and it's made from crushed insect bodies. It's not used in every eyeliner, but they do use it.
 
No, its not. Something that occurs from physical mishandling and INTERNALLY are two different things. I can slap you and cause your face to be red or I can give you something you are allergic too and cause you to turn red. Not the same thing.

I can physically take my hands and pull your hair out or I can give you a drug that causes your follicles to die and therefore your hair fall out, again, not the same thing

lol! what's with the violence? cant we all jus git along?:lachen:
 
Well then good you cant deny that someone already suffered a set back and protein overload with this stuff, you saw it with your own eyes! :yep:


Right, but you also have to admit...everyone's hair reacts DIFFERENTLY to products.

One person's hair might hate any kind of protein, be it plant based, keratin, whatever. Mine on the other hand, can't get enough of the stuff, in all it's forms. Which is why it's thriving by using MegaTek and Ovation.

And I don't personally think of these product as growth aids per say...but they work better on my hair than any other shampoo/conditioner I've used since I started my healthy hair journey.

So before you make a sweeping generalization of any product and how it's going to make everyone's hair crumble to dust from their heads, just remember there are so many other factors (other products being used, overall hair health, etc.) that come into play in situations like this.
 
Apparently, they add a host of different colors in eyeliners for various colors to come together. Red, just so happen to be one of those colors. Carmine is used and it's made from crushed insect bodies. It's not used in every eyeliner, but they do use it.

interesting... :yep:
 
so are you saying Keratin wont/cant make your hair hard!? for some right away possibly and others over time?


go ahead and spill it! Because you know it can!

Since you asked......

Everything is about synergy. Yes these products have keratin but again, the concentration isn't the same as lets say an Aphogee treatment. They also have other ingredients, emollient, humectant, and occulsive agents that moisturize and rejuventate the hair. They synergist effect somes from the fact that our hair is protein and in order for it to hold on to moisture, you hair has to have adequate amounts of protein. Everyone has a different protein tolerance since everyone has different hair. The ovation system is acutally a balanced system because one the products, designed to be used after the cell therapy, is a creme rinse that is extremely moisturizing and humectant.

Many naturals who are using this product that normally don't use protein are seeing positive changes in their hair. Texture and strength wise without seeing the trademark protein overload effects like hair breakage. Just go into the thread and see for yourself. I actually am very sensitive to protein. My hair needs is but I get overload very easily and my hair is thriving with my daily use of this product. My hair texture has improved, my hair responds better to my usual products and my scalp, for once in my life, isn't constantly irritated and inflammed.
 
I must say this is quite a thread. Someone brought up genetics?
I believe Nature vs Nuture. Just a question:

I have a history of breast cancer on my mother's side (I'd also like to apply this to those that don't)

If I eat healthy, exercise, take my vitamins etc. could I possibly avoid this condition or (excuse my lack of words) lessen the blow should the cancer come?

It's a great possibility

OR
If I don't exercise, eat horribly (fast food has so many horomones), smoke, drink, live in pollution.. will that increase my chances for cancer or my death when cancer comes?

When it comes to nature vs nuture I believe in both. Your circumstance may play a vital part in your future health. I have been using MT for a week now and although I love this product so far I see value in what Irresistible as well as others in argument has brought to light. I will discontinue use until I have done more research on the subject. Better healthy than hurt.Or better yet as Ms.Alyssa said "When in Doubt.." let us act out the ending.:yep:
 
love the hair board growth aide camaraderie

its just so touching and so REAL! :yep:


like I said ya'll dont play!

but no matter what ya'll say you cannot deny daily use of keratin poses risks! Serious risks for hair loss and hard hair!

but ya'll can keep doing what you do! please do!


Because this aint about ya'll its about those that WOULDNT be so willing to take possible risks or jump on the growth aide bandwagon

thats who its for :yep:

I hope those using it stay safe!
 
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