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Basically... :look: Any hair that it taken care of properly will grow. It has nothing to do with race.

I agree 100%.
Please don't cling to excuses to why your hair won't grow.

Instead, ask yourself what bad habits you need to loose and what good habits you need to start.

Then wait...a few years :lol: The growth will come :yep:
 
Are we really trying to pretend that in general white people,and people mixed with white don't have an easier time growing long hair? Yes there is always an exception to the rule, but for the most part my multi-racial relatives reach BSL and beyond quickly and easily. Is their hair problem free? Of course not. No one's hair is, but let's not ignore the obvious because we are offended that the OP dared to ask the question.


Chellero, many people of other races do not have the problems we have with hair because there is a haircare industry that caters specifically to there type of hair. Notice how the Indian community have their own products specifically made for their hair. Natural products at that. Neither do these other races have stigmas placed on their hair texture like we do. However, white women who use perms to make their hair curly will tell you that it damaged their hair. Also many have used relaxers. If you look around you, you will notice that many people of other races have short thin hair.

All hair is made the same. Protein. The only difference is the shape of the hair which creates the texture or curl patterns. If you google long hair a host of websites will pop up. And you will find that the regimen for white women with long hair including the frequency of washes is basically the same as black women with long hair. The coconut oil, the non-trimming or few trims a year, the moisturizing, etc. If you go to youtube you will find videos of Indian women caring for their hair. You will notice how special they treat their hair, like silk. But many black people put so many harsh chemicals in our hair without making sure that our hair has the upmost protection. I introduced my sister to constant moisturizing, washing and Cathy Howse products. Did you know that this woman informed me that she has NOT moisturized her hair in a week!:nono: Then she told me she had not washed it in a month. OMG! Then she told me she did not understand why she had so much breakage after she finally washed it yesterday. Some people can't be helped unless they see someone else with great results. HOLLAR!
 
Are we really trying to pretend that in general white people,and people mixed with white don't have an easier time growing long hair? Yes there is always an exception to the rule, but for the most part my multi-racial relatives reach BSL and beyond quickly and easily. Is their hair problem free? Of course not. No one's hair is, but let's not ignore the obvious because we are offended that the OP dared to ask the question.

But I see it as most of the people with 3b/c hair are natural, that's why their hair grows more quickly. As soon as you add a relaxer your growth will be somewhat stunted.

I have a friend with 4b natural hair, her hair is waist length (she's a teenie weenie woman though) underneath her braids. She pulled it down and voila! It was so long! Longer than my hair at the time :yep:

Any hair can grow if we treat it right, I refuse to believe otherwise.

And I might add that I don't have a single white friend with longer hair than me. Most of them have very fine hair that breaks easily...it really can't grow longer than at the most BSL and even then it looks bad because it's so thin.

Not all white people have Mediterranean hair that is thick and strong.
 
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ITA and The question is valid because it's one I think the majority of our community wonders about. The "elephant" in the room, if you will.

I wish we would stop getting sensitive about it and realize that many products marketed for type 4 hair has led to the destruction of our hair; I'm not just talking about relaxers but the many greasy and drying products marketed toward people of African descent.

I know a biracial woman in her 50s now who remembers her mom using grease and relaxing her type 2 hair and she said her hair wouldn't grow and was in poor health. She didn't realize until she was an adult that she could achieve hair health and length with just a wash and go.
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ITA, there is so much cheap garbage for our hair it's killing it. You know I beleive that's pretty much all we do need for our hair. Just wash moisturize and go.
 
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ITA, there is so much cheap garbage for our hair it's killing it. You know I beleive that's pretty much all we do need for our hair. Just wash moisturize and go.


Wash, moisturize and go where? LOL Not with my relaxed head. I've already tried that method of thinking i can do what my white friends do with their hair. Wash, and go. It aint that simple. Been there, done that.

Some can, others can't. But i do NOT think it is just that simple.
 
But I see it as most of the people with 3b/c hair are natural, that's why their hair grows more quickly. As soon as you add a relaxer your growth will be somewhat stunted.

I have a friend with 4b natural hair, her hair is waist length (she's a teenie weenie woman though) underneath her braids. She pulled it down and voila! It was so long! Longer than my hair at the time :yep:

Any hair can grow if we treat it right, I refuse to believe otherwise.

And I might add that I don't have a single white friend with longer hair than me. Most of them have very fine hair that breaks easily...it really can't grow longer than at the most BSL and even then it looks bad because it's so thin.

Not all white people have Mediterranean hair that is thick and strong.

Great posts Flower, I agree that relaxers and unessasary trimming has lead to hair that won't reach its maximum length.
 
Wash, moisturize and go where? LOL Not with my relaxed head. I've already tried that method of thinking i can do what my white friends do with their hair. Wash, and go. It aint that simple. Been there, done that.

Some can, others can't. But i do NOT think it is just that simple.

Well that depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you want a certain style then yes you will have to do more. Even with a relaxer it is not going to make your hair lay straight down your back after a wash. You would need to flat iron for that. Which was always a source of confusion for me when I had a relaxer. If we have a permanent straightner then why do we still need to flat iron? LOL :nono:
 
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Chellero, many people of other races do not have the problems we have with hair because there is a haircare industry that caters specifically to there type of hair. Notice how the Indian community have their own products specifically made for their hair. Natural products at that. Neither do these other races have stigmas placed on their hair texture like we do. However, white women who use perms to make their hair curly will tell you that it damaged their hair. Also many have used relaxers. If you look around you, you will notice that many people of other races have short thin hair.

All hair is made the same. Protein. The only difference is the shape of the hair which creates the texture or curl patterns. If you google long hair a host of websites will pop up. And you will find that the regimen for white women with long hair including the frequency of washes is basically the same as black women with long hair. The coconut oil, the non-trimming or few trims a year, the moisturizing, etc. If you go to youtube you will find videos of Indian women caring for their hair. You will notice how special they treat their hair, like silk. But many black people put so many harsh chemicals in our hair without making sure that our hair has the upmost protection. I introduced my sister to constant moisturizing, washing and Cathy Howse products. Did you know that this woman informed me that she has NOT moisturized her hair in a week!:nono: Then she told me she had not washed it in a month. OMG! Then she told me she did not understand why she had so much breakage after she finally washed it yesterday. Some people can't be helped unless they see someone else with great results. HOLLAR!



i totally agree. the sad thing is the the hair products that are supposedly for us arent S***... and also companies are being lazy. black hair is different unique and requires a lot of research and knowlege to understand hwo to take proper care of it but noooooooo .. they dont want to put in that effort.. they just put those wack cheap ingredients inside and try to lie cover it up and say no mineral oil used... i have become kinda an expert..... i can tell sometimes..
 
Wash, moisturize and go where? LOL Not with my relaxed head. I've already tried that method of thinking i can do what my white friends do with their hair. Wash, and go. It aint that simple. Been there, done that.

Some can, others can't. But i do NOT think it is just that simple.
:lachen: that was funny lol.. i have the same problem lol... but its alright well find another way lol..
 
CurlyMoo;4491109[B said:
]Chellero, many people of other races do not have the problems we have with hair because there is a haircare industry that caters specifically to there type of hair. [/B]Notice how the Indian community have their own products specifically made for their hair. Natural products at that. Neither do these other races have stigmas placed on their hair texture like we do. However, white women who use perms to make their hair curly will tell you that it damaged their hair. Also many have used relaxers.

If you look around you, you will notice that many people of other races have short thin hair. Yes, I know this. No where in my orginal post did I say that Black women were the only ones with hair growing issues. As a matter of fact I said that no one's hair type was problem free. :ohwell:

All hair is made the same. Protein. The only difference is the shape of the hair which creates the texture or curl patterns. If you google long hair a host of websites will pop up. And you will find that the regimen for white women with long hair including the frequency of washes is basically the same as black women with long hair.

true. But I'm confused as to why you blame short hair on black women to the products not being catered to them a paragraph above this. I bolded the section that I am referring to.

The coconut oil, the non-trimming or few trims a year, the moisturizing, etc. If you go to youtube you will find videos of Indian women caring for their hair. You will notice how special they treat their hair, like silk. But many black people put so many harsh chemicals in our hair without making sure that our hair has the upmost protection. I introduced my sister to constant moisturizing, washing and Cathy Howse products. Did you know that this woman informed me that she has NOT moisturized her hair in a week!:nono: Then she told me she had not washed it in a month. OMG! Then she told me she did not understand why she had so much breakage after she finally washed it yesterday. Some people can't be helped unless they see someone else with great results. HOLLAR!

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Well that depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you want a certain style then yes you will have to do more. Even with a relaxer it is not going to make your hair lay straight down your back after a wash. You would need to flat iron for that. Which was always a source of confusion for me when I had a relaxer. If we have a permanent straightner then why do we still need to flat iron? LOL :nono:

its not thats the thing.. it relaxes or in other word loosen coily or kinky hair texture.. for some ppl hair they do acheive bone straight but honestly that wasnt really the purpose of it .. it was to loosen the texture up.
 
But I see it as most of the people with 3b/c hair are natural, that's why their hair grows more quickly. As soon as you add a relaxer your growth will be somewhat stunted.

I have a friend with 4b natural hair, her hair is waist length (she's a teenie weenie woman though) underneath her braids. She pulled it down and voila! It was so long! Longer than my hair at the time :yep:

Any hair can grow if we treat it right, I refuse to believe otherwise.

And I might add that I don't have a single white friend with longer hair than me. Most of them have very fine hair that breaks easily...it really can't grow longer than at the most BSL and even then it looks bad because it's so thin.

Not all white people have Mediterranean hair that is thick and strong.

What's your hair type FlowerHair? My relaxed 3b/c mixed relatives also grow hair much faster than I do natural. I agree that any hair can grow. My own hair is doing quite well. But are you really pretending that it's not easier for some people?
 
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What's your hair type FlowerHair? My relaxed 3b/c mixed relatives also grow hair much faster than I do natural. I agree that any hair can grow. My own hair is doing quite well. But are you really pretending that it's not easier for some people?


this is another point thats very important for people to understand.. ppl be pointing their fingers at relaxers like its the devil and like its the only reason some people hair dont grow and im glad you brought this up.. im relaxed and my hair grows just find and i know some naturals who even with their hair blwo dried and flat ironed wont reach my length ... so the hair growing issue is more than just one thing.. its a number of things some of them we have control over and some of them we dont..
 
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CurlyMoo:
]Chellero, many people of other races do not have the problems we have with hair because there is a haircare industry that caters specifically to there type of hair. [/b]Notice how the Indian community have their own products specifically made for their hair. Natural products at that. Neither do these other races have stigmas placed on their hair texture like we do. However, white women who use perms to make their hair curly will tell you that it damaged their hair. Also many have used relaxers.

If you look around you, you will notice that many people of other races have short thin hair. Yes, I know this. No where in my orginal post did I say that Black women were the only ones with hair growing issues. As a matter of fact I said that no one's hair type was problem free. :ohwell:


:look: You posted a comment that stated that we should just except the fact we cannot grow our hair as fast or long as people of other races. Which I do not agree with. If we cannot grow our hair longer or faster I believe that it's not due to race but on indiviual circumstances.


All hair is made the same. Protein. The only difference is the shape of the hair which creates the texture or curl patterns. If you google long hair a host of websites will pop up. And you will find that the regimen for white women with long hair including the frequency of washes is basically the same as black women with long hair.

true. But I'm confused as to why you blame short hair on black women to the products not being catered to them a paragraph above this. I bolded the section that I am referring to.

Because of our curl pattern we need more moisture than those with straight hair. I don't blame short hair on black women to products used alone. I mentioned numerous reasons for short hair or hair that we are not happy with. You can have healthy short hair but obviously long hair is the ultimate goal with most of us. If you look up the ingredients in most of the products that we use, you will find that they are bad or irritating for our hair and scalp. People of other races are effected too. However, it may have a mild negative effect on them but extremely drying and or damaging to us. Many of the products being marketed to Black people is of cheap, inferior quality and does not do well with our hair.

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its not thats the thing.. it relaxes or in other word loosen coily or kinky hair texture.. for some ppl hair they do acheive bone straight but honestly that wasnt really the purpose of it .. it was to loosen the texture up.


Actually, I think super straight is the purpose that's why all the heat is applied later to get it straight. Unless it's a texlax which I never heard that term til I joined this board. I guess it means the same as texurizer. If not then why not just relax blowdry and go? :ohwell: Interesting.......
 
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Actually, I think super straight is the purpose that's why all the heat is applied later to get it straight. Unless it's a texlax which I never heard that term til I joined this board. I guess it means the same as texurizer. If not then why not just relax blowdry and go? :ohwell: Interesting.......


oh ... i dunno i just read it in this article somewhere... and they told us thats why we stillhave to blow dry and straighten it afterwards.. cause super straight without any other styling was not the intent of a relaxer but who knows..
 
What's your hair type FlowerHair? My relaxed 3b/c mixed relatives also grow hair much faster than I do natural. I agree that any hair can grow. My own hair is doing quite well. But are you really pretending that it's not easier for some people?


The average hair growth rate is half an inch/ month. Some people grow more, some less. I grow about half an inch a month/ rather by the 6 weeks when I measure ( yes, im that sad .. :perplexed). sometimes less, sometimes more. My main problem is retention. As I have colour in my hair, im maintaining my length and cutting my clolour off as it grows 'cos my hair didn't like it. I grow more when im co-washing most days.

Mixed race or people of other races can afford to wash their hair everyday/everyother day without thinking too much about it and this definitely aids growth. They also don't have much of a problem with retention hence they seem to 'grow' hair easier. We all grow at a similar pace, however, we (black women) have issues with maintenance and retention unfortunately :sad:

As the other ladies have said, not enough information about best way to go about it .... yet.
 
ITA and The question is valid because it's one I think the majority of our community wonders about. The "elephant" in the room, if you will.

I wish we would stop getting sensitive about it and realize that many products marketed for type 4 hair has led to the destruction of our hair; I'm not just talking about relaxers but the many greasy and drying products marketed toward people of African descent.

I know a biracial woman in her 50s now who remembers her mom using grease and relaxing her type 2 hair and she said her hair wouldn't grow and was in poor health. She didn't realize until she was an adult that she could achieve hair health and length with just a wash and go.

Say it AGAIN!!! It makes me mad, and it makes me upset, looking at the ingredients on the CRAP that most black women use in their hair. And do we even have to GO into the out and out LIES and FALSEHOODS that the supposed 'expert' hairdressers/stylists tell black women about how to grow their hair? It's no SURPRISE to me that most black women have short/messed up hair, considering that almost ALL of the 'common' instructions on how to take CARE of black hair will DESTROY rather than support your hair.

That's the elephant in the room - the black hair care industry is DESIGNED to keep us spending more and more money on products that are supposed to help our hair, and in reality, are destroying it - it's one way to insure that people keep coming back for more.

It's no accident that black people - women, specifically - spend BILLIONS of dollars a year on our hair. It's not because our hair is so bloody hard to deal with, it's because MOST of the crap designed to deal with our hair is wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG.

Chellero, many people of other races do not have the problems we have with hair because there is a haircare industry that caters specifically to there type of hair. Notice how the Indian community have their own products specifically made for their hair. Natural products at that. Neither do these other races have stigmas placed on their hair texture like we do. However, white women who use perms to make their hair curly will tell you that it damaged their hair. Also many have used relaxers. If you look around you, you will notice that many people of other races have short thin hair.

All hair is made the same. Protein. The only difference is the shape of the hair which creates the texture or curl patterns. If you google long hair a host of websites will pop up. And you will find that the regimen for white women with long hair including the frequency of washes is basically the same as black women with long hair. The coconut oil, the non-trimming or few trims a year, the moisturizing, etc. If you go to youtube you will find videos of Indian women caring for their hair. You will notice how special they treat their hair, like silk. But many black people put so many harsh chemicals in our hair without making sure that our hair has the upmost protection. I introduced my sister to constant moisturizing, washing and Cathy Howse products. Did you know that this woman informed me that she has NOT moisturized her hair in a week!:nono: Then she told me she had not washed it in a month. OMG! Then she told me she did not understand why she had so much breakage after she finally washed it yesterday. Some people can't be helped unless they see someone else with great results. HOLLAR!

The average hair growth rate is half an inch/ month. Some people grow more, some less. I grow about half an inch a month/ rather by the 6 weeks when I measure ( yes, im that sad .. :perplexed). sometimes less, sometimes more. My main problem is retention. As I have colour in my hair, im maintaining my length and cutting my clolour off as it grows 'cos my hair didn't like it. I grow more when im co-washing most days.

Mixed race or people of other races can afford to wash their hair everyday/everyother day without thinking too much about it and this definitely aids growth. They also don't have much of a problem with retention hence they seem to 'grow' hair easier. We all grow at a similar pace, however, we (black women) have issues with maintenance and retention unfortunately :sad:

As the other ladies have said, not enough information about best way to go about it .... yet.

The longest my hair has ever been is APL. My greatgrandmother was so light that when I first met her (as a 4 y/o) I told my mother that woman couldn't be related to me, because she was white. :nono: She had hair down to her behind in her 70's.
I didn't get her skin color (I'm closer to the coal-black man she married to piss off her parents :lachen:), but I did get her height (short) and her top-heavy characteristics - but I'll have to take care of my hair well for the next 40 years before I can be SURE whether I inherited her hair genes, as well.
She was a huge protective style wearer - she almost NEVER wore her hair down - it was either up in a bun, or under a wig. I never understood the wig, as she had gorgeous pure white hair, but apparently - it was just easier to ball it up, and stick it under a neck length wig. Hrm. :rolleyes:
 
If everything was as simple as a "wash and go" this board wouldn't be here. I think we as Black women are smart enough to maybe have found this out by now (if that were the case).

I can say that Black women (for the most part) don't know diddly squat about what it takes to take care of hair. But I'm going to say that suggesting one method as a scapegoat for all is IMHO a slap in the face. It's almost insulting to our intelligence by saying that this "simple" method was in out faces all along and we are too dumb to realize it.:rolleyes:

I'm happy that some of yall found wash-n-gos to be holy grails for your hair but please don't think this works for all. Even though I strongly believe a simple method is best, I'm still aware of what works for some will NOT work for everyone.
 
What is Geechie?

http://www.charlestonblackheritage.com/gullah.html



Descendants of the slaves that worked in South Carolina's rice plantations, the Gullah people are a distinctive group of African Americans that live in the Coastal regions of South Carolina and Georgia. They speak an English based Creole language that retains many elements of African language and culture. At least 100,000 people continue to speak Gullah today.


Through many generations, the Gullah (Geechee) people have held fast to their African cultural heritage more so than any other African-American group. This is due to their largely isolated community life as slaves. Seclusion between the Gullah slaves and their masters was promoted because of the highly contagious tropical diseases that existed in the slave community.

A culmination of language, rituals, customs, music, and crafts from various African tribes is the foundation upon which the Gullah people thrive today. Although they are no longer an isolated group, they continue to view themselves as a divergent community.

My Grandma's family is Geechee and I'm learning my roots. One of my closest friends has told me that many Gullah/ Geechee people were taken from the Sierra Leone area of Africa.
 
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because Spain did conquer most of Latin America (minus Brazil and small countries here and there). there are not that many that have african blood (especially those in places like guatemala, bolivia, etc.). other places have more (dominican republic, panama, etc.)

Yes, I know that. As I would have thought my post made clear. :ohwell: That still doesn't make Latinos Spanish. Jamaica was an English colony for three centuries - that doesn't make Jamaicans English. Most Latinos are mestizo, of mixed blood. I didn't say they were mainly of African blood. I said *SOME* have more AMERINDIAN *OR* African blood than Spanish, which is undoubtedly true. People in Guatemala, Bolivia, Peru that you mentioned definitely tend to be more indigenous Amerindian (e.g. Inca / Quechua) than Spanish. (And believe me when I say that a good number of Africans were also absorbed into those populations.) I know about the different distributions of African blood around Latin America. But even in countries like Argentina where the population have quite a bit of Spanish blood, people would balk at the idea of being called Spanish.


I really think that, contrary to what you said, Americans that do this are just calling Latinos by the language they speak, and don't really think about the history.
 
Word? Ive been looking for another geechie here!

Well you found one :) Although I'm Geechee through my granny... She had long moved to FL by the time my mom was born... but it's a trip that her Geechee ways still stand today and she's certainly passed them along to us! Folks are tripped out when they meet my geechee family :)
 
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