BrownSkin2
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I have to agree from the wash n go, her hair does not look 4a/b, unless it's been heat damaged. It looks to be in the 3s. Very pretty hair no matter the type though. 
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the only reason that I am stressing this point is becuz people often assume she has naturally curly hair or that she is a mixed just becuz it's long and beautiful. Not the case...Her hair is very similar to macheries
( i guess i'll have to post some washed n go's for y'all to accept the fact that she is not a "curly-when-wet")
Don't bother ...to post wash n go's ..waste of time.....First they were not sure if it was a weave or not...then it was the argument of hair type....It's no way u can convince of these women that you can achieve this with type 4 hair.[/quote]
Type 4 NATURAL HAIR, right? 'Cause that's the boulevard I'm (stayin') on....
Hair Iam
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Nope she is not a type 3. Her is not naturally curly.To acheive curls she must do a braidout. The natural pic attached is a super old braidout. Dont want to discourage the types 4's. This is a full black girl (not mixed) with really nice hair
I agree, she is not a 3 , I believe her length is what creates the appearance of 3. Her hair is FABULOUS.
glamazon386
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Type 4 NATURAL HAIR, right?[/QUOTE]
Yes, please clarify.
We're not commenting on the straightness of her hair. We know you can flat iron type 4 hair straight.
Traycee
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Yes, please clarify.
We're not commenting on the straightness of her hair. We know you can flat iron type 4 hair straight.[/quote]Silkiness when straighten .....
glamazon386
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Yes, please clarify.
Silkiness when straighten .....[/QUOTE]
My hair looks silky when it's straight. And I'm a 4.
That wasn't what I was talking about. I want to know about the shrinkage.
lilamae
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the only reason that I am stressing this point is becuz people often assume she has naturally curly hair or that she is a mixed just becuz it's long and beautiful. Not the case...Her hair is very similar to macheries
( i guess i'll have to post some washed n go's for y'all to accept the fact that she is not a "curly-when-wet")
Don't bother ...to post wash n go's ..waste of time.....First they were not sure if it was a weave or not...then it was the argument of hair type....It's no way u can convince of these women that you can achieve this with type 4 hair.[/quote]
exactly! ( i keep saying that was a really old braid out in the natural photo, not a wash and go like I thought..geez lois)
My hair looks silky when it's straight. And I'm a 4.
That wasn't what I was talking about. I want to know about the shrinkage.[/quote]Right...right....
The premise of this thread is starting to lose its steam....and I DO NOT like to be duped.
glamazon386
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exactly! ( i keep saying that was a really old braid out in the natural photo, not a wash and go like I thought..geez lois)[/QUOTE]
So is her hair like an afro in it's natural state since you say she's a 4a/b with no curls? I'm confused... I'm just gonna leave it alone...
Deuces.
ichephren
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Umm, I just looked at her wash and go picture and that girl is not a 4!! She's more like a 3a or something. Bmoreflyy is right...type 4a hair shrinks massively and the curls are tight and springy. I have type 4 hair and it is smooth when flatironed, but it does not look like that from a wash and go...Compare that to Babyblue's hair who is a true type 4!!!
IMHO type 4 is the easiest type to distinguish, because it's sooo different from any other hair type. If your hair dries and it hangs down with waves, you are not a 4!! If your hair air dries and moves like cauasian hair, it is not type 4! If your hair is silky naturally, it's probably not a 4! Also, a person cannot tell what hair type they have unless their hair is fully natural with no relaxed ends. If any hair is dragging your hair down, then how would you know?
IMHO type 4 is the easiest type to distinguish, because it's sooo different from any other hair type. If your hair dries and it hangs down with waves, you are not a 4!! If your hair air dries and moves like cauasian hair, it is not type 4! If your hair is silky naturally, it's probably not a 4! Also, a person cannot tell what hair type they have unless their hair is fully natural with no relaxed ends. If any hair is dragging your hair down, then how would you know?
lilamae
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So is her hair like an afro in it's natural state since you say she's a 4a/b with no curls? I'm confused... I'm just gonna leave it alone...[/quote]
I think thats best. Her hair is just like all 4a's when it wet. I just wanted to share becuz I think her hair is beautiful...that all. If it got naturally curly when wet, i'd show you..but I'm afraid it doesn't
I think thats best. Her hair is just like all 4a's when it wet. I just wanted to share becuz I think her hair is beautiful...that all. If it got naturally curly when wet, i'd show you..but I'm afraid it doesn't
lilamae
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let me go back and change the title of that picture to OLD braidout. that what it was
ichephren
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So, her hair is not curly when wet? 4A hair is curly all the time, unless it has been processed to not be curly(stretching, blowout, flatiron, etc.)
So is her hair like an afro in it's natural state since you say she's a 4a/b with no curls? I'm confused... I'm just gonna leave it alone...[/quote]
I think thats best. Her hair is just like all 4a's when it wet. I just wanted to share becuz I think her hair is beautiful...that all. If it got naturally curly when wet, i'd show you..but I'm afraid it doesn't
glamazon386
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So is her hair like an afro in it's natural state since you say she's a 4a/b with no curls? I'm confused... I'm just gonna leave it alone...[/quote]
I think thats best. Her hair is just like all 4a's when it wet. I just wanted to share becuz I think her hair is beautiful...that all. If it got naturally curly when wet, i'd show you..but I'm afraid it doesn't
4a's have curls hun. I think that's where you're mixed up. Have you ever seen my hair? I'm definitely a 4a and my whole head is little curls all over. Maybe her pattern has been loosened from the heat over time?
lilamae
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maybe so. i'm not a hair type expert. But i've read about and seen the differences. I just knew when people saw her hair they were gonna say one of two things...1. it's a weave 2. her hair is naturally curly
. My point is neither is the case. Just seems like the majority of black women are somewhere in the 4 category. And when we see someone whos hair is long and gorgeous like this young ladies we automatically assume she aint one of us. All I can say from knowing her personally is that she is definately not a type 3. Maybe we can send her to Andre for him to assess
cuz i'm sure tired of this conversation
secretrose
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This thread is getting really crazy. If OP says the hair is 4a, then it's 4a. Why is everybody getting up in arms about.
None of us have seen her hair in person except for OP. She made a mistake in saying that the old braid out pic was a wash and go. She clarified that. There are no pictures of the ladies hair in it's natural state so there is no way to determine her texture. So lets just leave it at the girl has very beautiful hair.
None of us have seen her hair in person except for OP. She made a mistake in saying that the old braid out pic was a wash and go. She clarified that. There are no pictures of the ladies hair in it's natural state so there is no way to determine her texture. So lets just leave it at the girl has very beautiful hair.
glamazon386
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maybe so. i'm not a hair type expert. But i've read about and seen the differences. I just knew when people saw her hair they were gonna say one of two things...1. it's a weave 2. her hair is naturally curly
My point is neither is the case. Just seems like the majority of black women are somewhere in the 4 category. And when we see someone whos hair is long and gorgeous like this young ladies we automatically assume she aint one of us. All I can say from knowing her personally is that she is definately not a type 3. Maybe we can send her to Andre for him to assess
If you say so.
Traycee
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maybe so. i'm not a hair type expert. But i've read about and seen the differences. I just knew when people saw her hair they were gonna say one of two things...1. it's a weave 2. her hair is naturally curly
My point is neither is the case. Just seems like the majority of black women are somewhere in the 4 category. And when we see someone whos hair is long and gorgeous like this young ladies we automatically assume she aint one of us. All I can say from knowing her personally is that she is definately not a type 3. Maybe we can send her to Andre for him to assess
They had me getting mixed up.....Her hair is beautiful....Give me year and I'll be right there with her
lilamae
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i'm sure you will traycee..hey..i really like your attitude!
lilamae
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All I'm saying is that she does NOT fit the description below.
Type 3: Curly hair
With curly hair, there is a definite loopy "S" pattern. Pluck out a hair, stretch it out. Notice the curvy lines. Looks like s stretched-out Slinky, doesn't it? Most people think curly hair is coarse, but actually it is usually baby soft and very fine in texture – there's just a lot of it. Because the cuticle layers don't like as flat, curly hair isn't as shiny as straight or wavy hair. The hair doesn't have a very smooth surface, so light doesn't reflect off of it as much. When curly hair is wet, is usually straightens out. As it dries, it absorbs the water and contracts to its curliest state. Those of you with Type 3 hair know all too well that humidity makes curly hair even curlier, or even frizzier.
If you're a Type 3, your hair has a lot of body and is easily styled in its natural state, or it can be easily straightened with a blow-dryer into a smoother style. Healthy Type 3 hair is shiny, with soft, smooth curls and strong elasticity. The curls are well-defined and springy: pull out a strand of hair and stretch it; it won't snap in two. Damaged Type 3 hair is usually frizzy, dull, hard and dry to the touch, with fuzzy, ill-defined curls.
There are two subtypes of curly hair. Type 3A, hair that is very loosely curled like Julia Robert's or Susan Sarandon's is usually very shiny with big curls. The shorter the hair, the straighter it gets. The longer the hair the more defined the curl. Type 3B, on the other hand, is hair with a medium amount of curl, ranging from bouncy ringlets – think of Shirley Temple – to tight corkscrews – think of actress Cree Summer of television's Sweet Justice of jazz singer Cleo Laine. It's not unusual to find both subtypes coexisting on the same head. In fact, curly hair usually consists of a combination of textures, with the crown being the curliest part.
Type 3: Curly hair
With curly hair, there is a definite loopy "S" pattern. Pluck out a hair, stretch it out. Notice the curvy lines. Looks like s stretched-out Slinky, doesn't it? Most people think curly hair is coarse, but actually it is usually baby soft and very fine in texture – there's just a lot of it. Because the cuticle layers don't like as flat, curly hair isn't as shiny as straight or wavy hair. The hair doesn't have a very smooth surface, so light doesn't reflect off of it as much. When curly hair is wet, is usually straightens out. As it dries, it absorbs the water and contracts to its curliest state. Those of you with Type 3 hair know all too well that humidity makes curly hair even curlier, or even frizzier.
If you're a Type 3, your hair has a lot of body and is easily styled in its natural state, or it can be easily straightened with a blow-dryer into a smoother style. Healthy Type 3 hair is shiny, with soft, smooth curls and strong elasticity. The curls are well-defined and springy: pull out a strand of hair and stretch it; it won't snap in two. Damaged Type 3 hair is usually frizzy, dull, hard and dry to the touch, with fuzzy, ill-defined curls.
There are two subtypes of curly hair. Type 3A, hair that is very loosely curled like Julia Robert's or Susan Sarandon's is usually very shiny with big curls. The shorter the hair, the straighter it gets. The longer the hair the more defined the curl. Type 3B, on the other hand, is hair with a medium amount of curl, ranging from bouncy ringlets – think of Shirley Temple – to tight corkscrews – think of actress Cree Summer of television's Sweet Justice of jazz singer Cleo Laine. It's not unusual to find both subtypes coexisting on the same head. In fact, curly hair usually consists of a combination of textures, with the crown being the curliest part.
rdm
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To settle this...I live in the Bay Area. Do ya'll want me to go check her hair out and confirm that she is a 4 and that it is not a weave?
I am just kidding. The poster says that it is not a weave and that she is a natural 4. The girl's hair is beautiful. Let's celebrate it and congratulate her.
I am just kidding. The poster says that it is not a weave and that she is a natural 4. The girl's hair is beautiful. Let's celebrate it and congratulate her.
glamazon386
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That description isn't the be all and end all for type 3 hair. It doesn't even mention type 3C. We all agree here on this board that hair typing is subjective. And everybody is not going to fit into one box or another because there is still variation within each hair type. But there are some things that clearly make somebodys type one thing over another. Like an afro versus loose curls versus waves. I think the point that some people (myself included) were trying to make was that we couldn't see what her texture really was, due to the way that her hair was styled in the pictures whether it was straight, a braid out, etc. That is why her texture was brought into question. That is all. Her length wasn't an issue for me.
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This thread is getting really crazy. If OP says the hair is 4a, then it's 4a. Why is everybody getting up in arms about.
None of us have seen her hair in person except for OP. She made a mistake in saying that the old braid out pic was a wash and go. She clarified that. There are no pictures of the ladies hair in it's natural state so there is no way to determine her texture. So lets just leave it at the girl has very beautiful hair.
You wanna know why? Because apparently (and I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say INNOCENTLY), that maybe the OP has yet to discern accurately the hair type of the example in question. She just said in a recent post that she isn't sure of her own hair type. From the 4s that have responded to this thread (me included), it sounds like we're pretty solid on what the range of 4-type hair looks like.
carameldiva
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All i can say is gorgeous, just gorgeous hair.
glamazon386
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That's what I think. Since the OP is relaxed, she may not have the same knowledge about natural hair that some of us naturals here on the boardl. We may be seeing somethings that she is not familiar with. You can read about natural hair all you want but until you have to deal with it from wash to walk you just don't know.
That even goes for transitioners. That's not even totally the same.
secretrose
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I agree with you on that but how are people trying to judge the hair type without a pic of it in it's natural state. Also I think OP may be confusing in her words of it's not curly when wet. I think when she thinks of curly hair, she is reffering to the 'S' shaped type of curls not the tight curls that 4a/4b have.
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