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What is the maximum temperature the hair can take????

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SleepyJean

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I've heard many answers. Does anyone have an article or link or something. I read somewhere that it could take a 1000 degrees Celsius. Later on, I read it could take 314 degrees Celsius. Does anyone know or is it a mystery??? :perplexed
 
1000 degrees?? :eek: Where did you read that?? I know that certain silicones can handle that type of heat before the bonds break, making them superb heat protection, but I don't think product-free hair can stand that :nono:...

Are you referring to the thread Navsegda posted?
 
from http://record.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/4083.html - cause i'm too lazy to calculate too :lachen:


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT='Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif]October 22, 2004[/FONT] > [FONT='Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT='Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif]Research: Jupiter moon vaporizing rock gases into its atmosphere[/font]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif]Research: Jupiter moon vaporizing rock gases into its atmosphere
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By Tony Fitzpatrick
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif]The hottest spot in the solar system is neither Mercury, Venus, nor St. Louis in the summer. [/FONT]
[/FONT][/font][/font][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT='Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif]Io, one of the four satellites that the Italian astronomer Galileo discovered orbiting Jupiter almost 400 years ago, takes that prize. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/font]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT='Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif]The Voyager spacecraft discovered volcanic activity on Io more than 20 years ago, and subsequent observations show that Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system. The Galileo spacecraft found volcanic hot spots with temperatures as high as 2,910 degrees Fahrenheit (1,610 degrees Celsius). [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/font] <---------close enuff for me :lachen:
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT='Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, Sans-serif]Using an updated version of MAGMA, a versatile computer program he developed 15 years ago with a Harvard University colleague, Bruce Fegley Jr., Ph.D., professor of earth and planetary sciences in Arts & Sciences, found that some of these elements are vaporized at least partly as single-atom gases. Others are vaporized in different molecular forms — for instance, silicon monoxide, silicon dioxide and iron monoxide.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/font]


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This gives me an idea... the next time I get a bunch of breakage I should turn the iron up to max and see what happens... :look:
 
1000 degrees?? :eek: Where did you read that?? I know that certain silicones can handle that type of heat before the bonds break, making them superb heat protection, but I don't think product-free hair can stand that :nono:...

Are you referring to the thread Navsegda posted?

Lmao...Yes, I am reffering to Navsegda's post! Maybe I am a tad off. :rolleyes:
 
Lmao...Yes, I am reffering to Navsegda's post! Maybe I am a tad off. :rolleyes:

:lachen::lachen:

It's ok. I studied under the tutelage of the Great Navs ;) so let me see if I can expound on the topic...

Um, generally speaking anything above 450 on a flat iron would cause damage (even with the heat protection). But the thing to keep in mind is that just b/c the iron is turned up to 420 degrees doesn't mean you can just run the flat iron through the hair all willy nilly. The heat doesn't immediately leave the hair once it's come in contact with the strand; the temp builds up. Like when you add cold veggies to a pot of boiling water...the water doesn't immediately go back to room temperature. It's still hot and actually not too far from the boiling point. So if you take 2 or more passes of an iron at 400 degrees that's double the heat setting...which means that heat damage is EASY to do. It's pretty safe to say that 350 degrees and lower is ok for the hair (provided you make 1-2 passes with the iron). If that doesn't work, review your prep for the hair prior to the flat iron (like how you dried the hair, what products you have on there, etc).

HTH
 
:lachen::lachen:

It's ok. I studied under the tutelage of the Great Navs ;) so let me see if I can expound on the topic...

Um, generally speaking anything above 450 on a flat iron would cause damage (even with the heat protection). But the thing to keep in mind is that just b/c the iron is turned up to 420 degrees doesn't mean you can just run the flat iron through the hair all willy nilly. The heat doesn't immediately leave the hair once it's come in contact with the strand; the temp builds up. Like when you add cold veggies to a pot of boiling water...the water doesn't immediately go back to room temperature. It's still hot and actually not too far from the boiling point. So if you take 2 or more passes of an iron at 400 degrees that's double the heat setting...which means that heat damage is EASY to do. It's pretty safe to say that 350 degrees and lower is ok for the hair (provided you make 1-2 passes with the iron). If that doesn't work, review your prep for the hair prior to the flat iron (like how you dried the hair, what products you have on there, etc).

HTH
That makes so much sense. Thanks for posting, I printed this out
 
No prob, you guys. Also keep in mind that even if you add more than one heat protectant, you are helping to prevent damage, but that still doesn't mean that you should turn the heat up either. The protection of the different silicones do add compounded protection, but why compound the heat to test out the strength of those products?! :drunk:

Another thing I wanted to bring up: Actual heat damage actually occurs due to the temperature. Go to PG.com and you can see pics of hair strands that have bubbles in the strands that exploded b/c the moisture boiled over inside the strand. If you don't have the appliance at an excessive temperature, the hair won't get damaged (especially if using a heat protectant, b/c the heat is buffered by the bonds of the silicone compounds).


My :twocents: for the evening. :)
 
No prob, you guys. Also keep in mind that even if you add more than one heat protectant, you are helping to prevent damage, but that still doesn't mean that you should turn the heat up either. The protection of the different silicones do add compounded protection, but why compound the heat to test out the strength of those products?! :drunk:

Another thing I wanted to bring up: Actual heat damage actually occurs due to the temperature. Go to PG.com and you can see pics of hair strands that have bubbles in the strands that exploded b/c the moisture boiled over inside the strand. If you don't have the appliance at an excessive temperature, the hair won't get damaged (especially if using a heat protectant, b/c the heat is buffered by the bonds of the silicone compounds).


My :twocents: for the evening. :)

This is why I love you Artemis!
 
:lachen::lachen:

It's ok. I studied under the tutelage of the Great Navs ;) so let me see if I can expound on the topic...

Um, generally speaking anything above 450 on a flat iron would cause damage (even with the heat protection). But the thing to keep in mind is that just b/c the iron is turned up to 420 degrees doesn't mean you can just run the flat iron through the hair all willy nilly. The heat doesn't immediately leave the hair once it's come in contact with the strand; the temp builds up. Like when you add cold veggies to a pot of boiling water...the water doesn't immediately go back to room temperature. It's still hot and actually not too far from the boiling point. So if you take 2 or more passes of an iron at 400 degrees that's double the heat setting...which means that heat damage is EASY to do. It's pretty safe to say that 350 degrees and lower is ok for the hair (provided you make 1-2 passes with the iron). If that doesn't work, review your prep for the hair prior to the flat iron (like how you dried the hair, what products you have on there, etc).

HTH

I believe this because PRE LHCF I sure did burn my hand on HAIR I had just flatironed seconds earlier. I had a big ole blister on my hand from touching my hair. Now THAT is bad. :lachen:
 
Dang!! Yeah that is pretty bad. The hair shouldn't be hot to the touch after using the appliance at all :nono:
 
:lachen::lachen:

It's ok. I studied under the tutelage of the Great Navs ;) so let me see if I can expound on the topic...

Um, generally speaking anything above 450 on a flat iron would cause damage (even with the heat protection). But the thing to keep in mind is that just b/c the iron is turned up to 420 degrees doesn't mean you can just run the flat iron through the hair all willy nilly. The heat doesn't immediately leave the hair once it's come in contact with the strand; the temp builds up. Like when you add cold veggies to a pot of boiling water...the water doesn't immediately go back to room temperature. It's still hot and actually not too far from the boiling point. So if you take 2 or more passes of an iron at 400 degrees that's double the heat setting...which means that heat damage is EASY to do. It's pretty safe to say that 350 degrees and lower is ok for the hair (provided you make 1-2 passes with the iron). If that doesn't work, review your prep for the hair prior to the flat iron (like how you dried the hair, what products you have on there, etc).

HTH

That's why whenever I used a flat-iron on my hair, I did ONE pass (between 350 and 370 degrees), and it got the job done.

I never understood how people could blow-dry, press with comb or flat-iron, then go over it again with curling irons. That's just too much heat...one pass with a flip of the wrist to create curl at the end should be enough
 
:lachen::lachen:

It's ok. I studied under the tutelage of the Great Navs ;) so let me see if I can expound on the topic...

Um, generally speaking anything above 450 on a flat iron would cause damage (even with the heat protection). But the thing to keep in mind is that just b/c the iron is turned up to 420 degrees doesn't mean you can just run the flat iron through the hair all willy nilly. The heat doesn't immediately leave the hair once it's come in contact with the strand; the temp builds up. Like when you add cold veggies to a pot of boiling water...the water doesn't immediately go back to room temperature. It's still hot and actually not too far from the boiling point. So if you take 2 or more passes of an iron at 400 degrees that's double the heat setting...which means that heat damage is EASY to do. It's pretty safe to say that 350 degrees and lower is ok for the hair (provided you make 1-2 passes with the iron). If that doesn't work, review your prep for the hair prior to the flat iron (like how you dried the hair, what products you have on there, etc).

HTH

Do you know where she got her information?? I've searched for a link that could explain this for a very long time, and I still was unable to find one. I would like to understand the science, too. :sad:
 
this reminds me of my pre lhcf days when I had a gold n hot curling iron with the temperature dial and I thought the hotter the better, right? Well I turned it all the way up and went to curl a piece of my hair and burned it right off!:nono:
 
Do you know where she got her information?? I've searched for a link that could explain this for a very long time, and I still was unable to find one. I would like to understand the science, too. :sad:

Essentially, from chemistry and physics textbooks. Navs has a degree in neuroscience. Once you understand the fundamentals of biology/chemistry/physics, and work with it on a regular basis, it's kind of difficult to not apply your studies to everyday life and look at everything through those kind of eyes. Like looking at the "grid of the Matrix" :lol: I do the same thing, but my background is in psychology (don't worry I'm not "analyzing" all of you :sekret: lol!)

I'll check the web and see what sites I can find for you though. Give me a bit and I'll come back to this thread :)

ETA: Here's one site I always find interesting...http://www.hair-science.com/_int/_en/index.aspx
 
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Essentially, from chemistry and physics textbooks. Navs has a degree in neuroscience. Once you understand the fundamentals of biology/chemistry/physics, and work with it on a regular basis, it's kind of difficult to not apply your studies to everyday life and look at everything through those kind of eyes. Like looking at the "grid of the Matrix" :lol: I do the same thing, but my background is in psychology (don't worry I'm not "analyzing" all of you :sekret: lol!)

I'll check the web and see what sites I can find for you though. Give me a bit and I'll come back to this thread :)

ETA: Here's one site I always find interesting...http://www.hair-science.com/_int/_en/index.aspx


oooh, great site!
 
Essentially, from chemistry and physics textbooks. Navs has a degree in neuroscience. Once you understand the fundamentals of biology/chemistry/physics, and work with it on a regular basis, it's kind of difficult to not apply your studies to everyday life and look at everything through those kind of eyes. Like looking at the "grid of the Matrix" :lol: I do the same thing, but my background is in psychology (don't worry I'm not "analyzing" all of you :sekret: lol!)

I'll check the web and see what sites I can find for you though. Give me a bit and I'll come back to this thread :)

ETA: Here's one site I always find interesting...http://www.hair-science.com/_int/_en/index.aspx

Thank you sooooooooooooo much!!! I love chemistry and physics, so I will enjoy this.
 
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