Does anyone follow earnestlynatural on IG?

Fine 4s · Feb 5, 2023

If so, cliff notes anyone?
So many stylist are just so expensive ...

Bette Davis Eyes · Feb 6, 2023

I do and her prices are wayyyyyyyyyyy high. I like how to talks but the hair cuts seem to have that shape that I dont like.

Im in the wrong business I tell you that. Curly hair making money hand over fist now ,450 prices

DVAntDany · Feb 6, 2023

She “honestly” talks a good game, but do you like what you see? That is what is most important. You are the only one who will know if she is worth spending the coins on for your hair. Nope, I wouldn’t go for my hair now, but I would have considered it when I first started my wash n go journey. What do you hope to achieve by going to her?

She preaches the gospel of Black Girl Curls, but she does not wear her hair like how she styles her clients. I know, she has finer density hair, but she should at least showcase the triangle style on her head every so often. She wears a round looking undefined fro or braids. This is not too different from the not-do-as-you-preach approach of Lou though.

What you will get out of going to any Cut It Kinky (CIK) stylist will be a hair cut and a brief overview of how to style and care for your hair. This will require practice and consistency on your part. At the end of the day, you should be able to style your hair for your lifestyle and only go to a CIK stylist for trims/cuts and treatments.

If you haven’t already, join See Some Curls. This is the foundation of styling your hair like Angel. See if you like this technique and give it roughly 2 months. I say 2 months for a reason. Angel from Earnestly Natural will put you on a detox 1 month out from your appointment just like any other CIK stylist. You will be using the bare minimum of products to get whatever buildup off of your hair and introduce your self to the technique. When you arrive to your appointment, she will discuss what issues you may or may not be having and prescribe you a regimen with additional products.

The second month is to determine what you need to add if anything. Most likely, you will desire more hold or humidity resistance. They give you the whole shebang of the what, when, where and how on See Some Curls.

The only thing I learned from going to an expensive CIK stylist is that I should have been placing the gel closer to my roots and that a topper gel helps. In hindsight, I don’t feel it was worth it to spend $600+ plus 240 miles of travel spaced over 2 visits to learn that.

If your hair looks like a blob and you want a very precise and angular haircut, go to Angel. If you want training on how to care for and style your hair with an in person demonstration, go to Angel. If you are at a loss on what to do for a wash n go even with online resources, go to Angel. If you feel it’s worth it to pay for her expertise and enjoy the look of her work, go to Angel.

Fine 4s · Feb 6, 2023

Who else do ya'll follow on IG? If there isn't a thread on that, I'll start one because I have a few that I have my eye on.

I don't do wash n gos but I am curious about what to do if ever I wanted to do it right. Certainly not willing to pay $600 to hear it though.
I also don't need that kind of hair cut as I rarely wear my hair out.
I'm curious about her thoughts on hydration though. Although seems like what I used to do to care for my hair 17 years ago was correct, wash every week. When I ask what products to use on her lives, she usually says she can't give me any advice until she sees my hair. She does believe in washing every week and using shampoo although I saw a co-wash on her product list. Guess you have to pay to play!
So I'm trying to see if there are general advice that she gives folks.

Kitamita · Feb 9, 2023

Fine 4s said:
Who else do ya'll follow on IG? If there isn't a thread on that, I'll start one because I have a few that I have my eye on.

I don't do wash n gos but I am curious about what to do if ever I wanted to do it right. Certainly not willing to pay $600 to hear it though.
I also don't need that kind of hair cut as I rarely wear my hair out.
I'm curious about her thoughts on hydration though. Although seems like what I used to do to care for my hair 17 years ago was correct, wash every week. When I ask what products to use on her lives, she usually says she can't give me any advice until she sees my hair. She does believe in washing every week and using shampoo although I saw a co-wash on her product list. Guess you have to pay to play!
So I'm trying to see if there are general advice that she gives folks.

I follow https://www.instagram.com/curlyhairdaze/ . She is only doing virtual cuts right now but she always has the best cuts out of all the curly cutters I have seen.

Theresamonet · Feb 10, 2023

Kitamita said:
I follow https://www.instagram.com/curlyhairdaze/ . She is only doing virtual cuts right now but she always has the best cuts out of all the curly cutters I have seen.

What is a virtual cut? She photoshops a haircut on you?

oneastrocurlie · Feb 11, 2023

I followed her for a good month before she went too far off the reservation. She turned her comments off for a little cause she was talking crazy.

I like Lou:
Her salon: https://instagram.com/cicilovecurlsstudio?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Her personal page (which has more tiktok reactions than I care for lately) :

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DVAntDany · Feb 11, 2023

sunshinebeautiful · Feb 11, 2023

I wear my hair almost exclusively in wash n gos. I've seen a few of EarnestlyNatural's lives on Instagram. She, like a lot of tight curly hair stylists, operate in similar ways, as described by @DVAntDany 's post above.

I first learned the WNG styling technique by joining the HydraBar Virtual Salon. At the time, I lived in the Fort Lauderdale area, so the salon was local. At my salon visit, I was helped with fine-tuning the styling I was practicing at home. Rhonda, who owns HydraBar, very much promotes keeping your hair hydrated, by washing and styling weekly, and using no raw oils or oil-heavy products on the hair, to achieve maximum curl definition. She also has her own products - a gel and mousse to define and lock in your curls.

I moved out of South Florida awhile ago - and I now see Elaine, one of the stylists trained by BlackGirlCurls.

These stylists aren't cheap, but I only go to the salon, 4x per year max, for a hair cut, so the price works out for me. I know how to style and maintain my hair on my own so I don't need to see anyone more frequently than that. I'm also always in and out within 2 hours, which I don't mind paying a "premium" for, because I literally HATE to be in the salon all day.

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DVAntDany · Feb 11, 2023

Fine 4s said:
Who else do ya'll follow on IG? If there isn't a thread on that, I'll start one because I have a few that I have my eye on.

I don't do wash n gos but I am curious about what to do if ever I wanted to do it right. Certainly not willing to pay $600 to hear it though.
I also don't need that kind of hair cut as I rarely wear my hair out.
I'm curious about her thoughts on hydration though. Although seems like what I used to do to care for my hair 17 years ago was correct, wash every week. When I ask what products to use on her lives, she usually says she can't give me any advice until she sees my hair. She does believe in washing every week and using shampoo although I saw a co-wash on her product list. Guess you have to pay to play!
So I'm trying to see if there are general advice that she gives folks.

You are probably going to be dissatisfied with this answer. 9 times out of 10, the stylist who are running their business in the CIK/BGC model are not going to tell you what products. They are going to say it’s the technique and the mentality. You don’t have to pay, but it’s going to be extra work on your part.

They have so many clips and full vids without the verbal info showing you what they are doing. They also have sit down Q&As and info in written format, but it won’t be an actual demonstration. You pay to have it all combined in an easily digestible format, but most of that info is out there for free already. Little nuances and tidbits which are the cherries on top are what you are really paying for. A lot of the time, that is what you need to make it click besides putting that knowledge to action.

Her answer to hydration would be to shampoo your hair with the appropriate cleanser. If she had to explain further then you have to pay for a seat in her chair and probably a month long subscription to SSC. Yep, most of those stylist make their clients join but not all.

The lady at Bold Kulture says practically all of their info for free. Abena from Embrace Natural Beauty has YouTube videos and many lives on Instagram discussing this info. In the WnG thread there is a recent post of a video of Asia from ACurlyWalk/ Tight Curl Beauty Co showing what Angel is talking about along with the products. It has all the info you need, yet it is missing so much. :lol:

If you wear your hair straight, color treated, with extension, or in “protective styles”, then the info differs a little. However, the basic info is still the same which is to cleanse, condition and style the hair.

Kitamita · Feb 11, 2023

Theresamonet said:
What is a virtual cut? She photoshops a haircut on you?

She does a zoom call with you and directs you where to cut. The cuts do come out really nice, I would prefer her to cut it for me. She is due to resume in Feb 2023 her regular schedule/appt.

Theresamonet · Feb 11, 2023

Kitamita said:
She does a zoom call with you and directs you where to cut. The cuts do come out really nice, I would prefer her to cut it for me. She is due to resume in Feb 2023 her regular schedule/appt.

And I see she charges $200 to tell you where to cut your hair… Actually that’s not too bad, since you’ll now be able to just cut your own hair from then on, I’d think.

But in general, the prices of these curly cuts are outrageous. I really wish we’d stop encouraging this madness. There is no reason that a cut and style should run you hundreds of dollars. It used to only be chemical services that would even come close to costing that much.

DVAntDany · Feb 11, 2023

Theresamonet said:
And I see she charges $200 to tell you where to cut your hair… Actually that’s not too bad, since you’ll now be able to just cut your own hair from then on, I’d think.

But in general, the prices of these curly cuts are outrageous. I really wish we’d stop encouraging this madness. There is no reason that a cut and style should run you hundreds of dollars. It used to only be chemical services that would even come close to costing that much.

That’s not so bad to learn how to do a specific cut, but will I have a video recording for me to review. Back in the day, I bought a 3 way mirror and a dvd on how to do your own barber type hair cut for my brothers. They kept asking me to help them and that was out of my lane. It was def not over $50. I can still watch it if I can find something to play it on.

We are paying what use to be top dollar wealthy community prices. The stylist in those areas aren’t even charging as much as those Instagram stylist for basic services. I know color can be up there. However, they use a lot of products and it takes skill to do it right without damage.

These insta stylists keep calling dusting, trims and cuts the same thing. So there is no difference in price. I’ll stick to my $35 trims at Ulta.

Kitamita · Feb 11, 2023

Theresamonet said:
And I see she charges $200 to tell you where to cut your hair… Actually that’s not too bad, since you’ll now be able to just cut your own hair from then on, I’d think.

But in general, the prices of these curly cuts are outrageous. I really wish we’d stop encouraging this madness. There is no reason that a cut and style should run you hundreds of dollars. It used to only be chemical services that would even come close to costing that much.

Oh, I do agree with that. On the one hand, you should be able to recreate it after the virtual session. But if I am paying that much I'd rather have her do it. Back we she was testing virtual cuts my sister followed what she did in the video and was able to fix a bad cut I had. I don't mind paying a fair price for a good cut because there is a skill to it but $200 and up is steep. I haven't gone to her yet due to the price (and covid) but two of my friends have and their hair looked great. So you do get what you pay for. It's just hard to pull the trigger on that price for me. But when I do it will be with her. I haven't seen anyone come close to the slay this close to me in So Cal.

Theresamonet · Feb 11, 2023

DVAntDany said:
That’s not so bad to learn how to do a specific cut, but will I have a video recording for me to review. Back in the day, I bought a 3 way mirror and a dvd on how to do your own barber type hair cut for my brothers. They kept asking me to help them and that was out of my lane. It was def not over $50. I can still watch it if I can find something to play it on.

We are paying what use to be top dollar wealthy community prices. The stylist in those areas aren’t even charging as much as those Instagram stylist for basic services. I know color can be up there. However, they use a lot of products and it takes skill to do it right without damage.

These insta stylists keep calling dusting, trims and cuts the same thing. So there is no difference in price. I’ll stick to my $35 trims at Ulta.

I can book a cut/condition/blowout at one of the highest rated, higher end salons in Chicago, add an Olaplex or k18 treatment, AND get tiny threads of tinsel added to my strands for extra sparkle… All of that would still be less than $200 dollars.

White (and other) women (even wealthy ones) aren’t being charged what we are for hair care. The premium black women are being charged for having kinky curly hair is very sad. All salon services require some skill and products/tools. That’s not new. These prices we’re being charged is predatory imo. And the same people claiming they are “educating” people on black hair, are profiting off the idea that our natural hair is so difficult, so hard, so time consuming, that it warrants triple and quadruple the price that others would pay for basic salon services.

DVAntDany · Feb 11, 2023

Theresamonet said:
I can book a cut/condition/blowout at one of the highest rated, higher end salons in Chicago, add an Olaplex or k18 treatment, AND get tiny threads of tinsel added to my strands for extra sparkle… All of that would still be less than $200 dollars.

White (and other) women (even wealthy ones) aren’t being charged what we are for hair care. The premium black women are being charged for having kinky curly hair is very sad. All salon services require some skill and products/tools. That’s not new. These prices we’re being charged is predatory imo. And the same people claiming they are “educating” people on black hair, are profiting off the idea that our natural hair is so difficult, so hard, so time consuming, that it warrants triple and quadruple the price that others would pay for basic salon services.

I whole heartedly agree with everything you stated. I’ve been seeing online stylist like Narada (Afrikan Hair God) and Linwood (Get Glam Fam) address this. They agree the prices are crazy. They say that complaining without action is still accepting those prices. Sounds like we as a collective need to revolt against the craziness by boycotting their services.

oneastrocurlie · Feb 11, 2023

Theresamonet said:
I can book a cut/condition/blowout at one of the highest rated, higher end salons in Chicago, add an Olaplex or k18 treatment, AND get tiny threads of tinsel added to my strands for extra sparkle… All of that would still be less than $200 dollars.

White (and other) women (even wealthy ones) aren’t being charged what we are for hair care. The premium black women are being charged for having kinky curly hair is very sad. All salon services require some skill and products/tools. That’s not new. These prices we’re being charged is predatory imo. And the same people claiming they are “educating” people on black hair, are profiting off the idea that our natural hair is so difficult, so hard, so time consuming, that it warrants triple and quadruple the price that others would pay for basic salon services.

For a minute I would've say the tide will turn but seeing how the prices of braids are ridiculously high and stylists are still in business, I'm thinking not.

My unscientific observation has been the stylists who have a more diverse clientele have lower barriers to entry, more streamlined service offerings, and charging everyone the same for the same services.

Fine 4s · Feb 22, 2023

@DVAntDany Nothing to be dissatisfied about and dang, you know all the IG stylists! What does CIK/BGC mean?

Since I’ve been in this hair game for a while, maybe I know more than I think I do but I still have some problem areas that I wish I could figure out. What I still wonder about is this hydration thing. My hair was at its best in my 30s a decade ago and I was mostly co-washing so it’s interesting to hear that THAT practice wasn’t the best even though my hair LOOKED at its best. Anyway, can you share these other stylists IG names so I can follow please? What’s that info from Angel missing?

Now I need to find the two I like; one is in NJ and the other in Chicago (male) but I see him doing a lot of presses.

Fine 4s · Mar 4, 2023

Came back in to say that I also follow thetextureologist

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