How do you feel about white women being a part of the natural hair community?

[Solitude]

Black women have been wearing wigs since FOREVER. Were those made out of real hair? Who do we blame for that?

I'm talking about the CURRENT, POPULAR 20+ inch Indian hair weaves made from hair stolen from Indian woman who either sacrificed to their Gods or had it snatched off of their heads.

In the days you are probably talking about, yes, groups like the Supremes wore short, natural-looking wigs that emulated European styles because they had to in order to be accepted in the music industry, and some black women wore them when they went to work in white people's homes.

What is the reason for today's 28 inch sew-ins worn by everyday women? That isn't for acceptance based on the European ideal because the weaves aren't from and don't look European. That's appropriation of a certain look that Indian and Brazilian (etc.) women have.

 

[Mz.MoMo5235]

Yes, we wore our own hair in straight styles to assimilate, but IMO wearing the hair from another woman's head goes into appropriation territory.

I don't see how one could argue that it's not, especially considering that hair weaves only because popular/common in the last 10-15 years. Do you think Indian woman appreciate us walking around with 28 inches of hair that's actually theirs? Or do we think that it's not possible for black women to be guilty of misappropriate because we have been victims of social and racial injustice?

The Chinese who practically have the weave market on lock would say they appreciate it greatly. As for the Indian women who have their hair stolen, I'm sure they dont appreciate it. But the Indian men who are the ones selling it to the Chinese are getting the benefit of that money too.

While our women are dishing out millions and receive nothing but criticism over it.

Have you been to an Indian forum or all Asian forum? Whats said about us is nothing nice.

All the while our own say (even on this forum) that they cant be natural because of work or are natural but wear weaves and wigs because of work.

No one else is going through that! No one else is told the hair from their head is not work appropriate. No one else is treated like their in a petting zoo where white people think they have the right to just come up and start touching your hair. No one else gets looked at like "the angry black woman" when you back up and tell them not to touch your hair.

You've already said you understand where we're coming from about why we feel some kind of way about this. Yet you persistently tell us why we shouldn't.

That I dont fully comprehend yet I dont need an answer to it. You feel the way you feel and we feel the way we feel. Point blank.

Why must we justify feeling the need for our own space in this vast world?

 

[LdyKamz]

I'm talking about the CURRENT, POPULAR 20+ inch Indian hair weaves made from hair stolen from Indian woman who either sacrificed to their Gods or had it snatched off of their heads.

In the days you are probably talking about, yes, groups like the Supremes wore short, natural-looking wigs that emulated European styles because they had to in order to be accepted in the music industry, and some black women wore them when they went to work in white people's homes.

What is the reason for today's 28 inch sew-ins worn by everyday women? That isn't for acceptance based on the European ideal because the weaves aren't from and don't look European. That's appropriation of a certain look that women Indian and Brazilian (etc.) women have.

Oh, I understand what you're saying now. But the way we look I think is still dependent on the European beauty standard. Times change and styles change. This is the style now. The white women in ads and on television have long flowing locks w/ barrel curls and that is the standard. Even white women are getting weaves for this particular style because it is what is "in" now.

I am natural now. And I wear my hair out. People stare at me allll the time. Sometimes when people are talking to me in my office they are looking at my hair instead of at my face. If I had a different mindset I would probably go out and get the latest hairstyle too - which just so happens to be the long flowing weave.

Anyway, I think we've gone just a tad off topic.

 

[Solitude]

The Chinese who practically have the weave market on lock would say they appreciate it greatly. As for the Indian women who have their hair stolen, I'm sure they dont appreciate it. But the Indian men who are the ones selling it to the Chinese are getting the benefit of that money too.

While our women are dishing out millions and receive nothing but criticism over it.

Have you been to an Indian forum or all Asian forum? Whats said about us is nothing nice.

All the while our own say (even on this forum) that they cant be natural because of work or are natural but wear weaves and wigs because of work.

No one else is going through that! No one else is told the hair from their head is not work appropriate. No one else is treated like their in a petting zoo where white people think they have the right to just come up and start touching your hair. No one else gets looked at like "the angry black woman" when you back up and tell them not to touch your hair.

You've already said you understand where we're coming from about why we feel some kind of way about this. Yet you persistently tell us why we shouldn't.

That I dont fully comprehend yet I dont need an answer to it. You feel the way you feel and we feel the way we feel. Point blank.

Why must we justify feeling the need for our own space in this vast world?

You don't have to justify anything to me.

Regarding your comments about "they don't go through that," that is not true. Lorraine Massey was forced to straighten her curly hair at a salon that she worked at, and instead she quit. There are other stories in the Curly Girl Handbook of white women with curly hair were told to straighten their hair for job interviews or told that curly hair is not professional. It's no coincidence that a lot of WW start out with curly hair in Hollywood and slowly move to the ideal straight, blonde hair.

Black women have been wearing natural hair to work. Wearing a weave is a choice. The people that are wearing weaves due to discrimination at work are few and far between. There are also very few that are like Philly Jamz Poet, who has a medical condition.

Most of these women buying $300 wigs, U-part wigs, sew-ins, and all manner of weaves are doing it for style. For example, most of the women on YT doing wig and weave tutorials don't even have a job. They are wearing those styles because they want to, but it takes away from the world recognizing the beauty of our hair when we have someone else's hair. It also takes credibility from the "we want our own hair space" argument when we are wearing hair from another culture. Us wearing wigs and weaves constantly does a lot more damage to the natural hair movement than some random white woman being featured on CurlyNikki.com.

 

[Solitude]

Oh, I understand what you're saying now. But the way we look I think is still dependent on the European beauty standard. Times change and styles change. This is the style now. The white women in ads and on television have long flowing locks w/ barrel curls and that is the standard. Even white women are getting weaves for this particular style because it is what is "in" now.

I am natural now. And I wear my hair out. People stare at me allll the time. Sometimes when people are talking to me in my office they are looking at my hair instead of at my face. If I had a different mindset I would probably go out and get the latest hairstyle too - which just so happens to be the long flowing weave.

Anyway, I think we've gone just a tad off topic.

Yes, I'm way off. I'm about to log off for a minute and let it rest...

 

[veesweets]

I read this morning that the Ku Klux Klan is planning to demonstrate at The Charles Wright Museum of African American History. The Klan is demanding that white history be included at the African American Museum. This museum is here in Detroit, Michigan. The Klan is demanding inclusion. Now, we have not equated last weeks nonsense with the Ku Klux Klan but to have this historically murderous organization show up to demand justice is terrible. Perhaps they need to start a controversy. There is a problem associated with Black people having special groups and areas of cohesiveness in this country. Thoughts?

That must be a joke right? It is such a terrific museum!!
Their history is included all right, just not the history THEY want people to know and its not all about them for once

 

[Mz.MoMo5235]

Yes, I'm way off. I'm about to log off for a minute and let it rest...

I believe I need a break from this topic as well. Its very emotional for me and spiritually draining ^_^

I think I will also log off and when I come back avoid the thread all together. I'm too sensitive for this man! Lol

 

[felic1]

There was a great migration in the last century. This was because our people were not safe and desired work opportunities. Many of our great grandparents left the south and moved north. They received enough acceptance to find employment, housing and an ability to care for our families. We are working with each other to discuss and celebrate our acceptance of our hair and other items of interest. We have had a great migration into worlds of beauty and they wish to financially benefit from it.

 

[Chanteuse]

People are deliberately sowing seeds of confusion in order to shift our focus from what this debate is really about. This is not about biracial women with silky hair. This is not about black women who wear weaves. This is about black women celebrating themselves and people outside of that group having a problem with it. Period. Do not fall for the diversionary tactics.

 

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The Chinese who practically have the weave market on lock would say they appreciate it greatly. As for the Indian women

who have their hair stolen, I'm sure they dont appreciate it. But the Indian men who are the ones selling it to the Chinese are getting the benefit of that money too.

While our women are dishing out millions and receive nothing but criticism over it.

Have you been to an Indian forum or all Asian forum? Whats said about us is nothing nice.

All the while our own say (even on this forum) that they cant be natural because of work or are natural but wear weaves and wigs because of work.

No one else is going through that! No one else is told the hair from their head is not work appropriate. No one else is treated like their in a petting zoo where white people think they have the right to just come up and start touching your hair. No one else gets looked at like "the angry black woman" when you back up and tell them not to touch your hair.

You've already said you understand where we're coming from about why we feel some kind of way about this. Yet you persistently tell us why we shouldn't.

That I dont fully comprehend yet I dont need an answer to it. You feel the way you feel and we feel the way we feel. Point blank.

Why must we justify feeling the need for our own space in this vast world?

 

[DoDo]

Regarding your comments about "they don't go through that," that is not true.

Bold faced lie. We go through a specific type of racism.

Lorraine Massey was forced to straighten her curly hair at a salon that she worked at, and instead she quit.

So she would not look too ethnic (read "partially black")

There are other stories in the Curly Girl Handbook of white women with curly hair were told to straighten their hair for job interviews or told that curly hair is not professional.

Straightening with a blow dryer for fifteen minutes every morning can not be equated with a relaxer which is what many of us need to achieve this poker straight look that wavy haired women can't achieve by simply brushing their hair.

It's no coincidence that a lot of WW start out with curly hair in Hollywood and slowly move to the ideal straight, blonde hair.

Again that is another facet of racism that we suffer even more of as black women. The white actress is told to straighten her hair and dye it blonde. We are told we are not right for a part unless it is about a slave or a maid.


Black women have been wearing natural hair to work.

While weathering negativity, criticism and hurtful comments the entire time.

Wearing a weave is a choice.

It is a coerced choice. It is easier to wear weave than to process or straighten your hair when you have a particularly kinky texture. You just mentioned white women who have to straighten yet, you don't recognize this problem among your own people?

The people that are wearing weaves due to discrimination at work are few and far between.

This is opinion and not fact. I take it you haven't been to too many offices where black women work?

Most of these women buying $300 wigs, U-part wigs, sew-ins, and all manner of weaves are doing it for style.

So, hundreds of years of straightening our hair with items ranging from homemade lye to a hot knife to irons that are for clothes does not find a logical conclusion in just slapping fake straight hair onto our heads? For many of us a flat iron job only loosens our curl pattern unless we crank it up to anywhere from 400 to 450 degrees. Even then, we still have to use a fine tooth comb to chase the iron and must do all this after blow drying our hair as straight as we possibly can. Other races do not need to invest that much time just to straighten their hair, something which you have made clear other races are encouraged to do. So wearing wigs and weave isn't the logical solution to that societal demand on kinkier textures?

For example, most of the women on YT doing wig and weave tutorials don't even have a job.

How do you even know they don't have a job? This is an assumption, yes? Based on the fact it is black women advertising weave on Youtube? I am not even going to touch that .

They are wearing those styles because they want to,

We are conditioned ever since childhood to want certain things. If not, going natural wouldn't be a journey it would just be the cessation of applying a relaxer.

but it takes away from the world recognizing the beauty of our hair when we have someone else's hair.

If we have never learned to care for our hair the natural desire will be to hide it.

It also takes credibility from the "we want our own hair space" argument when we are wearing hair from another culture.

The people who are making the "we want our own hair space" argument are predominantly wearing their own hair. You know they had to go on a journey to healthier hair practices, let go of their discomfort with their hair, learn to care for it. You know, you have heard of it, THE NATURAL HAIR MOVEMENT. The movement that is encouraging us to move away from wigs/weaves etc.

Us wearing wigs and weaves constantly does a lot more damage to the natural hair movement than some random white woman being featured on CurlyNikki.com.

The natural hair movement is predominantly about being able to wear your hair natural, as in without relaxer, without wigs and weaves, without straightening poker straight.

However, we still have the option to relax responsibly

Because of our reality

Wear wigs and weaves responsibly

because of our reality

and straighten poker straight responsibly

because of our reality.

We still cant show up to work in many cases with a wet afro or celie braids.

While our counterparts in most cases can fly out of the shower with their hair sopping wet and head to work

No product, no shingling, no detangling, no blow drying required. That is an option for others, not us, not at this point.

That is why we are having this conversation.

Besides, I still say that if Felicity had been more respectful and less glib this whole backlash would have never happened.

 

[krikit96]

Y'all talmbout where the hair comes from... please look at this quick clip, it's not that long but it shows enough of what's going on, these poor people offer their hair to the gods, at the temple, and get nothing in return... And the Asians come in and buy it up and sell it... this hair is disgusting, how they process it... for the black people to purchase, and then they treat us so badly in their stores and talk about us.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10203096962136457&id=1578399079

 

[Healthb4Length]

Regarding your comments about "they don't go through that," that is not true. Bold faced lie. We go through a specific type of racism. Lorraine Massey was forced to straighten her curly hair at a salon that she worked at, and instead she quit. So she would not look too ethnic (read "partially black") There are other stories in the Curly Girl Handbook of white women with curly hair were told to straighten their hair for job interviews or told that curly hair is not professional. Straightening with a blow dryer for fifteen minutes every morning can not be equated with a relaxer which is what many of us need to achieve this poker straight look that wavy haired women can't achieve by simply brushing their hair. It's no coincidence that a lot of WW start out with curly hair in Hollywood and slowly move to the ideal straight, blonde hair. Again that is another facet of racism that we suffer even more of as black women. The white actress is told to straighten her hair and dye it blonde. We are told we are not right for a part unless it is about a slave or a maid. Black women have been wearing natural hair to work. While weathering negativity, criticism and hurtful comments the entire time. Wearing a weave is a choice. It is a coerced choice. It is easier to wear weave than to process or straighten your hair when you have a particularly kinky texture. You just mentioned white women who have to straighten yet, you don't recognize this problem among your own people? The people that are wearing weaves due to discrimination at work are few and far between. This is opinion and not fact. I take it you haven't been to too many offices where black women work? Most of these women buying $300 wigs, U-part wigs, sew-ins, and all manner of weaves are doing it for style. So, hundreds of years of straightening our hair with items ranging from homemade lye to a hot knife to irons that are for clothes does not find a logical conclusion in just slapping fake straight hair onto our heads? For many of us a flat iron job only loosens our curl pattern unless we crank it up to anywhere form 400 to 450 degrees. Even then, we still have to use a fine tooth comb to chase the iron and must do all this after blow drying our hair as straight as we possibly can. Other races do not need to invest that much time just to straighten their hair,something which you have made clear other races are encouraged to do. So wearing wigs and weave isn't the logical solution to that societal demand on kinkier textures? For example, most of the women on YT doing wig and weave tutorials don't even have a job. How do you even know they don't have a job? This is an assumption, yes? Based on the fact it is black women advertising weave on Youtube? I am not even going to touch that . They are wearing those styles because they want to, We are conditioned ever since childhood to want certain things. If not going natural wouldn't be a journey it would just be the cessation of applying a relaxer. but it takes away from the world recognizing the beauty of our hair when we have someone else's hair. If we have never learned to care for our hair the natural desire will be to hide it. It also takes credibility from the "we want our own hair space" argument when we are wearing hair from another culture. The people who are making the "we want our own hair space" argument are predominantly wearig their own hair. You know they had to go on a journey to healthier hair practices, let go of their discomfort with their hair, learn to care for it. You know, you have heard of it, THE NATURAL HAIR MOVEMENT. The movement that is encouraging us to move away from wigs/weaves etc. Us wearing wigs and weaves constantly does a lot more damage to the natural hair movement than some random white woman being featured on CurlyNikki.com. The natural hair movement is predominantly about being able to wear your hair natural, as in without relaxer, without wigs and weaves, without straightening poker straight. However, we still have the option to relax responsibly Because of our reality Wear wigs and weaves responsibly because of our reality and straighten poker straight responsibly because of our reality. We still cant show up to work in many cases with a wet afro or celie braids. While our counterparts in most cases can fly out of the shower with their hair sopping wet and head to work No product, no shingling, no detangling, no blow drying required. That is an option for others, not us, not at this point. That is why we are having this conversation. Besides, I still say that if Felicity had been more respectful and less glib this whole backlash would have never happened.

Because Thank you is not enough. The case has been stated, clear as day and yet some of 'us' will never get it. You answered it better than I could have.

 

[CaraWalker]

People are deliberately sowing seeds of confusion in order to shift our focus from what this debate is really about. This is not about biracial women with silky hair. This is not about black women who wear weaves. This is about black women celebrating themselves and people outside of that group having a problem with it. Period. Do not fall for the diversionary tactics.

literally came back in this thread out of nowhere and oh, we're talking about weaves now? for what? what on earth does that have to do with the price of tea in china? folks love deflecting and derailing when there is no other way to force the conversation to bend to their perspective.

 

[Saludable84]

literally came back in this thread out of nowhere and oh, we're talking about weaves now? for what? what on earth does that have to do with the price of tea in china? folks love deflecting and derailing when there is no other way to force the conversation to bend to their perspective.

You know there is always one. The argument was weak IMO. Many ethnicities wear wigs and weaves. Look at Jews. They live for years off wigs. Where they get that hair from? No one criticizing them. Dominicans offer extensions and weaves and their own people LOVE them. Those are just a couple of examples. It's a hair style; but it's a problem for us for some reason.

ITA with you. And the others (can't remember, on my phone) that clearly argued the weave/wig thing.

 

[cocosweet]

I read this morning that the Ku Klux Klan is planning to demonstrate at The Charles Wright Museum of African American History. The Klan is demanding that white history be included at the African American Museum. This museum is here in Detroit, Michigan. The Klan is demanding inclusion. Now, we have not equated last weeks nonsense with the Ku Klux Klan but to have this historically murderous organization show up to demand justice is terrible. Perhaps they need to start a controversy. There is a problem associated with Black people having special groups and areas of cohesiveness in this country. Thoughts?

I had to google this insanity. It is not real.

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Quite a few Detroiters are sharing a screengrab of a purported news story that says the Ku Klux Klan is "planning to form a peaceful protest towards the African American Museum on East Warren ave" on Wednesday. No, they're not.
The screengrab uses a font that's pretty close to the one used for Detroit News headlines, so it's easy for the uninitiated to make that mistake. It's a little worrisome that so many people can't see through the rest of the bull****.
There is an "African American Museum" on East Warren Avenue — that would be the Charles H. Wright Museum of African-American History. You should know that it would be referred to as such in a serious news story.
Or you could just check out the link from "Nipsy's News" dot com — which has this little disclaimer at the top of its site:

 

[Ari8]

I didn't read the whole posts where the person was basically trying to make a controversy, but honestly, I thought natural community embraced all. Guess I was wrong.

Yup, you were. Sorry.

 

[JulietWhiskey]

People are deliberately sowing seeds of confusion in order to shift our focus from what this debate is really about. This is not about biracial women with silky hair. This is not about black women who wear weaves. This is about black women celebrating themselves and people outside of that group having a problem with it. Period. Do not fall for the diversionary tactics.

@Chanteuse

THANK YOU!

This is the EXACT reason that I refused to be drawn into a nonsensical debate about the term "New Black" when an earlier poster tried to chastize me for using it. I read her post, said ,

and kept it moving!

I refused to respond.

You're not getting me caught up and derailed from the real issue: THE NATURAL HAIR MOVEMENT IS CREATED FOR, BY AND ABOUT BLACK WOMEN TO ADDRESS AND COUNTERACT THE OPPRESSION PLACED UPON US FOR CENTURIES IN REGARDS TO OUR HAIR/BODIES/SEXUALITY/INTELLIGENCE, ETC.

Any thing else is tricknology and ain't nobody got time for that...

 

[PinkSunshine77]

IDC in all honesty.

 

[curlytwirly06]

My natural sisters (guru) posted a video addressing curlynikki and had me cheering

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QlYCcKcffc

 

[CaraWalker]

http://www.thefrisky.com/2014-07-09...new-hairstyle-and-the-politics-of-black-hair/

Regardless of their intent, People drew upon a long legacy of white beauty standards deeming locs (and other forms of Black women’s natural hair) inelegant, unkempt, unprofessional, and otherwise concerning. As far back as the early 1800s, Black women in the United States were legally mandated to cover and obscure their natural hair so as not to threaten “social stability.”

Even as the natural hair movement gains steam, Black women are regularly denied employment, passed over for promotions, and met with hostility in the workplace when we choose to wear our hair as it grows out of our heads. While it may seem inconsequential what a beauty magazine thinks of Ciara’s potential wedding hairstyle, for everyday Black women this judgment matters. When this viewpoint is held by hiring managers, it can be the difference between a job and continued economic instability; that’s quite literally life-changing.

 

[DoDo]

http://www.thefrisky.com/2014-07-09...new-hairstyle-and-the-politics-of-black-hair/

But some of us want to say the #struggle is over and let us sing kumbaya .

The reasons just keep stacking up as to why they can miss me with that .

 

[1QTPie]

^^^ Passive racism. They are EXPERTS at that subtle b.s. Another reason they need to stay out of OUR stuff. Create your own movement.

 

[Serenity_Peace]

@Chanteuse

You're not getting me caught up and derailed from the real issue: THE NATURAL HAIR MOVEMENT IS CREATED FOR, BY AND ABOUT BLACK WOMEN TO ADDRESS AND COUNTERACT THE OPPRESSION PLACED UPON US FOR CENTURIES IN REGARDS TO OUR HAIR/BODIES/SEXUALITY/INTELLIGENCE, ETC.

Any thing else is tricknology and I ain't nobody got time for that...

JulietWhiskey

You, my dear...YOU ARE SIMPLY AMAZING!!!

Sheer brilliance!

 

[Serenity_Peace]

My natural sisters (guru) posted a video addressing curlynikki and had me cheering

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QlYCcKcffc

And my girl Kinksgalore totally and seriously breaks it down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhgPf_cHrlg

 

[JulietWhiskey]

@JulietWhiskey

You, my dear...YOU ARE SIMPLY AMAZING!!!

Sheer brilliance!

Awww, thank you, Serenity_Peace!

I LOVE so many of your posts: you bring the KNOWLEDGE!

I feel like this topic has brought so many of us together in cohesion and unity, even those of us that usually express differing opinions on various topics!

Kudos, ladies! And keep 'em coming!

!

 

[angelhairtype4]

Deleting.
Not giving what's her face any attention.

 

[Dellas]

I am late to this discussion.

I will say from a historical standpoint whites don't see us as having to have something of our own. Or deserving it. Heck even blacks don't (esp. when there is a financial incentive).

I think I told this story before. I was at a university where I was the ONLY black in a class most time. The Asian would study together and the whites would pretend to be studying on their own then I would find out later they organically got together??? Anywho finally an African came and an AA guy came. We finally was able to form a study group. Then a white girl came over to study with us. I asked why. She said because Asians have their own culture and language and she would feel ODD. It was like we were suppose to step aside and make accommodations for help AND THEY DID.

I think we are seen as Americans FIRST and we have no culture .....If we did have something of our own it would be infiltrated for money or spite. Seeing what the minorities are doing is a past time in America. So, I always feel our ideas and originality never belong to us.

 

[Dellas]

Why are we the ONLY culture that have to explain our love for OUR.
Why do respect for our spaces and bodies have to explained or demanded?

 

[MicheePrings]

http://youtu.be/lHS6y8RkTN8

This video is a black man explaining his take on this issue. Thought I'd share because it refreshing to see a black man willing to take a stand beside us women.

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