African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN!!!

[SherryLove]

hmmm... very interesting...well i guess it's because of things like this that aubrey organics will have me as a customer for life...been using strictly AO hair and skin products for close to 10 years now....

 

[mscounselor]

For those of you that worry about the price of organic products, they are very affordable in the organic food stores as well. The one by my house even has Jason and Aubreys. It was very affordable.

 

[simcha]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

I agree, this should be a sticky thread.

Eight months ago, I had a myomectomy to remove eight fibroids (the largest the size of a melon) and three weeks ago I was hospitalized with a ruptured endometrial cyst (I don't have a history of endometriosis but I have it now). Fibroids are almost epidemic among minority and especially, African American women. A friend of mine (Native American) had a fibroid the size of a bowling ball removed (they had to cut it in to three pieces to remove it). And the culprit seems to be excessive estrogen, found in dioxins (i.e. when you microwave food in a plastic container, dioxins leak out of the plastic into your food), pesticides, and meat (growth hormone injected).

I just started accupuncture and have changed my diet to a cortisal lowering diet (with organic food) and am taking fish oil(wild salmon - farm raised fish have higher levels of PCBs), ground flaxseed, 5-HTP (one theory is stress may be a cause of endo), and natural progesterone (synthetic is not good). Along with 25mg of soy protein, which I get from my soy shake and soy yogurt. My doctor is also a licensed homepathic doctor and we are trying to avoid surgery. I am finally meditating.

I can't tell you how annoyed I am. The supplements are costing me a fortune and I am tired of being poked and proded. Our food is turning into poison, while the corporate fat cats are just worried about profits and fighting the organic food industry.

I am thankful that it isn't cancer or anything life threatening.

No wonder starving African nations turned down the United States' food donation (they called it franken-food) and Europe is up in arms about genitically modified food.

Sorry about the long-winded reply but I guess I have a lot to get off of my chest

 

[Nay]

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Simcha, I'm sorry to hear about this Hugs to you.

But thanks for sharing your personal story. I think personal accounts help to make us all think twice about our health and what we are using product-wise and food-wise in our lives.

I agree, this should be a sticky thread.

Eight months ago, I had a myomectomy to remove eight fibroids (the largest the size of a melon) and three weeks ago I was hospitalized with a ruptured endometrial cyst (I don't have a history of endometriosis but I have it now).

 

[mscounselor]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

I agree, this should be a sticky thread.

Eight months ago, I had a myomectomy to remove eight fibroids (the largest the size of a melon) and three weeks ago I was hospitalized with a ruptured endometrial cyst (I don't have a history of endometriosis but I have it now). Fibroids are almost epidemic among minority and especially, African American women. A friend of mine (Native American) had a fibroid the size of a bowling ball removed (they had to cut it in to three pieces to remove it). And the culprit seems to be excessive estrogen, found in dioxins (i.e. when you microwave food in a plastic container, dioxins leak out of the plastic into your food), pesticides, and meat (growth hormone injected).

I just started accupuncture and have changed my diet to a cortisal lowering diet (with organic food) and am taking fish oil(wild salmon - farm raised fish have higher levels of PCBs), ground flaxseed, 5-HTP (one theory is stress may be a cause of endo), and natural progesterone (synthetic is not good). Along with 25mg of soy protein, which I get from my soy shake and soy yogurt. My doctor is also a licensed homepathic doctor and we are trying to avoid surgery. I am finally meditating.

I can't tell you how annoyed I am. The supplements are costing me a fortune and I am tired of being poked and proded. Our food is turning into poison, while the corporate fat cats are just worried about profits and fighting the organic food industry.

I am thankful that it isn't cancer or anything life threatening.

No wonder starving African nations turned down the United States' food donation (they called it franken-food) and Europe is up in arms about genitically modified food.

Sorry about the long-winded reply but I guess I have a lot to get off of my chest

Simcha,
I am sorry to hear about your fibroids and cysts. I think the most encouraging thing I read was that you are dealing with a homeopathic doctor. Mine wasn't and was trying to give me other hormones.
I hope you get well soon.
ITA agree with the food comment. Whats even sadder is that some countries are following the US. In Jamaica, I used to revel at how "our food" tasted so much fresher. Now I hear they have started adding hormones. You have no idea how upset I was!!! Can someone please keep it natural!

 

[Country gal]

My son and I use a lot of organic/natural products on our skin and hair.

 

[Islandgirl]

good thread!

 

[Yetta]

I can relate all too well with some of your experiences. Hopefully my experince can help someone.

My doctor told me I had a small fibroid in 2001. I stopped eating beef and pork in 95 so I figured the hormones in chicken must be the culprit and reluctantly gave it up early in 2002. My periods were still very painfull and the fibroid didn't shrink, and I was diagnosed with cervical dysplasia (irregular pap smear). I did some research and purchased a book about healing fibroids (I will have to find the title for anyone intrested).

The book has information on healing several reproductive diseases. From the book I learned how to use vitamins and herbs to treat diseases, and that I had to cut out dairy foods as well. I started taking evening primrose oil and black cohosh to counter excess estrogen, which made my period and ovulation less painfull. I also started taking MSM for cramps instead of Motrin 800mg. After taking folic acid with B12 I no longer have cervical dysplasia.

Though I still have fibroids, I have to contribute being able to get pregnant for the first time last year to my improved reproductive health. Because of the fibroids my pregnancy was very painfull. During the first trimester I was told by a few doctors that I wouldn't carry the pregnancy full term...The extra estrogen produced during pregnancy causes fibroids to grow and multiply- which jepordizes the baby's blood supply. Fortunately God had other plans for my baby... I delivered a healthy baby girl by c-section on June 1, 2005

After reading this thread I don't think I'll be putting in that relaxer I've been geeking for- the last time I relaxed my hair was last Aug. And now I know what not to use on my daughter's hair in the future.

Thanks so much for posting this information!

 

[Irresistible]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

WOW I'm just speechless now

I was told I had a small fibroid about a year ago. It was tiny they said. Last checked which was just a couple months after it was found, it had doubled in size. I have absolutley no symptoms from it at all, and havent even had it checked again. I need to get it checked again. The only reason it was found is because I was in pain on and off and couldnt tell for sure where it was coming from , till my back locked up, and they did a back x ray and I found out I have a compresed disc. So the fibroid was happened upon when they were looking for the source of my pain. I couldnt tell it was my back till it locked up....btw thats better now, its on and off, but livable for the most part.

geesh, thanks for the info ladies. This is so crazy!!

Thankfull God is a healer and/or can lead us to the information we need to recieve our healing.

 

[BklynHeart]

Another fibroid suffer here! I was diagnosed in Jan. 2003 and at that time it was small. By September of last year, I started hemorraging (sp?) and rushed to the ER. Found out it was the fibroids. Every month I suffered heavy bleeding. I would wear overnight pads and would have to change every hour. I didn't get it removed until May 2004 and they did a myomectomy. By then it was the size of a softball. Fibroids run in my family and I hoped it would of skipped me. No such luck. After reading your responses, I will make sure to cut down on meat. My husband does the cooking and is such a big meat eater. At least he uses ground turkey and only cooks red meat once in a while.

 

[Bublnbrnsuga]

You ladies are the BEST

 

[RossBoss]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

BUMP! This is pertinent information for everyone.

 

[bludaydreamr]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

I also heard this before. To take it step further, I heard that perms/relaxers are also responsible for this. When I told a few people about this they laughed, but I guess this is no laughing matter that has some merit.

A few years ago my older sister was diagnosed with breast cancer at 33 and that same year 3 other black women in our circle were also diagnosed I told a few people the same theory and they brushed it off too.

 

[Aveena]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

erplexed wow! I've had 4 'masses' surgically removed from my body in my lifetime and 2 of the products on that list have been staples of mine.

ETA

2 lumps removed from the same breasts at different times in my life
and 2 lumps in my lower body..

Luckily non had cancer but I often wondered why? I also get ovarian cysts! ... this is really upsetting.

 

[Ladybelle]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

wow! I use mostly natural stuff on me & my kiddos - coconut oil, shea butter, etc. And, natural hair products too.

I can see how all of that crap would cause problems. So sad. This makes me want to go organic in EVERY area of my life.If just applying that stuff topically causes these types of problems, I can only imagine what ingesting them does.

 

[RossBoss]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

wow! I use mostly natural stuff on me & my kiddos - coconut oil, shea butter, etc. And, natural hair products too.

I can see how all of that crap would cause problems. So sad. This makes me want to go organic in EVERY area of my life.If just applying that stuff topically causes these types of problems, I can only imagine what ingesting them does.

Me too. Just oils and butters. I use handmade shampoo bars, but my conditioner is by Queen Helene Cholesterol so maybe I should look into replacing that. I am even doing more organic food lately.

 

[lustrous]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

i am so grateful that there are places like this where such life-altering information can be shared. I will be making some changes. Thank you OP and all those who contributed their stories. I am now one less ignorant consumer.

 

[keepithealthy]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

I am bumping this thread because it has some really good information. I will be back to finish reading it.

 

[greenandchic]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

This thread reminds me of this NPR article from a few years ago: NPR: For Black Women, Breast Cancer Strikes Younger


The audio is only about 5 minutes long.

 

[Chioniso]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

wow! I use mostly natural stuff on me & my kiddos - coconut oil, shea butter, etc. And, natural hair products too.

I can see how all of that crap would cause problems. So sad. This makes me want to go organic in EVERY area of my life.If just applying that stuff topically causes these types of problems, I can only imagine what ingesting them does.

I read a book called 'Not on the Label' a while ago - it will make you not want to eat anything when you discover how much stuff is sprayed onto/ added into your food, fruit & veg, bread, drinks everything

 

[discodumpling]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

...then folks wanna laugh at us "juices & berries" only people! This is sad but timely for me...I was getting nervous as my little girls hair needs a bit more than baby wash lately. But now I know what I MUST do...when you know better you do better!

 

[sunnieb]

A few years ago my older sister was diagnosed with breast cancer at 33 and that same year 3 other black women in our circle were also diagnosed I told a few people the same theory and they brushed it off too.

I am interested to see any links to studies or articles that can expound on this theory.

Sent from my Comet

 

[DrC]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

I read a book called 'Not on the Label' a while ago--

Found a few passages:
http://www.heureka.clara.net/books/notonthelabel.htm

Treating people like this is not a good idea. We are forcing people to live in squalor, in bad housing with wages so low they cannot live. They are bound to be ill. Bad housing and bad diets – these are the sort of conditions that before the war sustained TB. These are the people who are cleaning your salad. -- Nuno Guerreiro, Portuguese Workers' Association

Globalisation of food is not the answer. It is a system designed by finance people and lawyers. -- Manuel Ariza, chief of Spanish agri-environment ministry

I think of myself as a slave. I go to sleep dreaming of work. I live amongst the rubbish like a rat. But I remember that I am a man. Wherever I live, whatever anyone thinks, I am a man. -- Abdel Majid, illegal migrant worker in southern Spain

Felicity Lawrence spent a couple of years in the early 1990s in war-torn Afghanistan, coming back to the UK was a culture shock. The first thing she noticed on shopping in a supermarket was the fight for the car parking space, then what seemed an endless choice in the supermarket, perpetual summer, until she looked a little closer and saw it was the same standardised fruit and vegetables – same size, same colour, not a blemish in sight – no matter from where they originated in the world. The fruit was hard and unripe, lacking in any aroma or taste. The process of shopping was stressful, the wonky trolley a battering ram to force your way around the isles, dulled-eyed checkout staff on the checkouts.

In Afghanistan a shopping trip would be to pull up at a roadside stall or a trip to the local market. Fruit and vegetables that were fresh and in season – mouth-watering strawberries, for just two weeks a year, grapes from glacier-fed vineyards, mangoes, dripping with juice, oranges.

It is not only in Afghanistan or Pakistan that it is possible to shop at road-side stalls, in Tenerife or Cyprus you will find roadside stalls laden with fresh produce.

We live in the West, and yet we suffer from BSE, salmonella, foot and mouth, the list goes on. Something must be wrong with our food supply chain. This is what Felicity Lawrence sets out to uncover.

Chickens on the supermarket shelves at little more than the price of a cup of crap coffee in $tarbucks. Something has to give.

Felicity Lawrence went undercover in a chicken processing factory. It was not the blood that got to her as the birds dangling upside down from a conveyor belt had their throats slit, it was the scalding bath, brown with ****, emptied only once a day. Each and every chicken contaminated as it passes through.

50% of chickens in the UK are contaminated with campylobacter.

My thoughts turned to the chicken sitting in my fridge. My stomach started to turn over. And that was before I read of the waste, unfit for human consumption, that gets laundered and recycled back into the human food chain.



Chickens are pumped up with water. It is difficult to make a chicken carcass retain 50% water, so it is held in place with hydrolyzed animal proteins recovered from animal waste – pork, beef. It may be contaminated with BSE. No one knows for sure, no one seems to care. Everyone knows it is going on – from the EU down through FSA to trading standards to the supermarkets – but everyone turns a blind eye, everyone pretends it is not happening.

The more you ship food around, the easier it is to adulterate food, to commit outright fraud. The trade in laundered recycled waste food is more profitable that narcotics.

Harassed mothers may shovel chicken nuggets down their kids gullets, but would they if they knew it was chopped up, recycled chicken skins and slurry?

Looking on supermarket shelves one could easily be led to believe chickens only produce drumsticks and breasts, and no doubt one day they will, if geneticists have their way. As it is, battery chickens are too weak to stand on their own two legs. This false demand in chicken has led to a global trade in chicken parts. What is left over is waste, to be recycled into pies and ready meals.

I would never by a cheap pie, as we do not know what is going into it.

That 'fresh' chicken in the supermarket may be at least eight days old before it even reaches the supermarket, its sell by date updated, its country of origin replaced by a red tractor.

The villains of the piece are the meat-processers and packers, but complicit are the supermarkets. They know what is going on, it is they who are cutting margins which are resulting in corners being cut.

To be sure of what we are buying we have to buy from local family butchers. An endangered species these days but they can be found – in North Camp in south Farnborough, on a stall on the Friday/Saturday market in Guildford (where once there were a dozen or more family butchers lining the street), in the old part of Lincoln, in Farnham (where there is also an excellent greengrocer), there used to be a couple or more in Ludlow in the Shropshire Hills, maybe they too have managed to survive.

A bag of washed salad in a supermarket may cost you 99p. On close inspection, you will find it will only contain a handful of green leaves. Well okay, they have washed it for you. It is all about added value, to the supermarket that is, not the consumer. The more cynical would say it is all about ripping people off.

Would we pay this extortionate price for salad leaves if we knew that they were several days old, washed in chlorine solution twenty times the concentration of a swimming pool (ie a mild bleach), have a marked reduction in vitamin and micro-nutrient content, and that the rise in the sale of these washed salad leaves is linked to a sharp rise in E. coli and salmonella outbreaks?

Migrant labour is employed in the meat-processing plants and packing sheds, picking crops, washing salads. Much of this labour is illegal, coordinated by organised crime. Workers guarded by men wielding clubs, knives and Kalashnikovs! The criminal groups extend across the world, engaging in people trafficking, prostitution and drug smuggling. Extreme violence is used to keep the illegal workforce subjugated. The migrants live in appalling insanitary conditions. They suffer from ill-health.

Everyone knows that illegal migrant labour is used. The supermarkets know, the farmers know, the packers and processors know, the local authorities in whose area they work and are housed know. Everyone knows, apart from maybe the end consumer, everyone turns a blind eye.

These are the people who wash and pack our salads, prepare our meats. This is the price we pay for 'cheap' food in our supermarkets.

To guarantee year round 24 hour delivery to supermarkets, farms import from abroad, many have also invested in the south of Spain. This arid region, suitable for olives and almonds together with a few scraggy sheep and goats has become an agricultural and economic miracle, but it is in reality a mirage. The ground water is contaminated and over-extracted, the soil cannot sustain three crops a year.

Intensive monoculture leads to a build up of pests and diseases. Lettuces have a two and half month growing period in southern Spain. They are sprayed weekly except for the last two weeks with a mixture of pesticide and fungicide. Because of the build up of pest and diseases, many of these sprays are extremely toxic.

Pesticide residues, exceeding the legal limits, is a common problem in lettuces. Many of these residues, organochlorines, endocrine disrupters, are the ones that are of most concern. Many of the pesticides are illegal.

Where the soil is exhausted, piles of rubbish litter the ground, discarded pesticide containers. In amongst this rubbish live the illegal migrant workers from Senegal and Morocco. This is not the Third World, this is southern Spain, along the coastal strip is to be found the fat, overfed drunken holidaymakers, allegedly having a good time.

The illegal workers in Spain, who pay £1000 each to be smuggled in, are hired by the day. On some days they work, on other days they starve. This is the price we pay for our 'cheap' all-year-round salads.

We are in a pre-Dickensian world, where day labourers sit by the roadside, hoping for a day's work. But this is not Dickensian rural England, this is East Anglia, southern Spain, today in the early 21st century.

Global trade has created the potential for new wealth. But in Europe it is as though we have gone back to the dark days of the early nineteenth century. In the name of a 'flexible workforce', we have effectively thrown away two centuries of reforming legislation. We have bypassed the Factory Acts and employment regulations that were introduced to curb the abuses and excesses of the Industrial Revolution, so that its enormous contribution to the affluence of society as a whole would not be undermined by squalor and suffering.



We have allowed a structure to emerge that allows our shops to be resupplied at short notice by casual labourers picked up from the roadside whatever the hour in the Costa del Sol, or collected from their Dickensian housing in rural England. These workers are at the mercy of pecking orders as brutal as those in the turn-of-the century American docks. We are told this has happened because people want cheap food.

Maybe those few salad leaves at 99p a bag, were not so cheap after all.

There is more to read: http://www.heureka.clara.net/books/notonthelabel.htm

 

[blueberryd]

Lmaoooo ithought the post said "african-american FLAVORed shampoo"
Lol annddd i entered..lol

 

[MaraWithLove]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

DrC My gosh, that made me want to regurgitate. It's very sad, but I'm thankful to be informed!

 

[prettybyrd]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

This is why I really do love homemade products. I shop several companies and local shops who use products without the unnecessary chemicals. I spend more, use less, but feel great about it! At small shops where I know the sales people personally, and see them every Saturday morning at the farmer's market - I know that what they tell me is in my product is all that is in my product!

Just in case anyone is interested, I buy some of my personal care products from a company started by a woman whose sister was diagnosed with tumors in her breasts while in her 20's and she wanted to create products that were better for her. Here's a link to the company - Bella Lucce.

They are at the end of a sale right now - what timing!

Be well!

 

[SimJam]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

...then folks wanna laugh at us "juices & berries" only people! This is sad but timely for me...I was getting nervous as my little girls hair needs a bit more than baby wash lately. But now I know what I MUST do...when you know better you do better!

Exactly ! I normally wash and condition my hair before I go to the salon because I really couldnt deal with the ridicule and sceptisism re: shampoo bars, natural conditioners and ACV rinse ... even after I explained abt SLS, parabens etc and how conventinal poos strirp every last bit of oil/sebum from the hair and scalp, they still were trying to tell me that natural shampoos cannot and do not clean hair as well as their beloved motions/mizani etc.

well I told them its MY personal choice and they are to use MY prodcuts on MY hair when I come to get MY hair done.

 

[DrC]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

Lmaoooo ithought the post said "african-american FLAVORed shampoo"
Lol annddd i entered..lol

Its Monday.

 

[curlyninjagirl]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

And then I threw it on the GROUND!!! MAAAAANN! I'm not a part of your system!

GIFSoup

 

[greenandchic]

Re: African American-favored shampoos DELIBERATELY MADE with HIGH AMOUNTS OF ESTROGEN

...then folks wanna laugh at us "juices & berries" only people! This is sad but timely for me...I was getting nervous as my little girls hair needs a bit more than baby wash lately. But now I know what I MUST do...when you know better you do better!

This is a good reminder for me to stick with the basics. My only issues are conditioners since I go though them so fast...