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Adel10 said:
http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/dangers-hair-straighteners-pt-1
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I saw this when it was first posted. If Dr. Oz would have really done his homework, or whatever producer told him what to say, he would have known that lye was never used straight out the container to straighten the hair. There were other things added to it to buffer it, initially what was added was potato later on egg and then petroleum. What we have today is a highly buffered product that even though the ph is high it is no where as dangerous as using straight lye.

I stopped watching after he did that. For him to be a Dr, I expected more from him

I dont really watch him because he annoys me.

Most of the people Oprah has sponsored have annoyed me. The only one I can tolerate more than the others is Rachel Ray, probably because I like to cook.
 
Myjourney2009 said:
I saw this when it was first posted. If Dr. Oz would have really done his homework, or whatever producer told him what to say, he would have known that lye was never used straight out the container to straighten the hair. There were other things added to it to buffer it, initially what was added was potato later on egg and then petroleum. What we have today is a highly buffered product that even though the ph is high it is no where as dangerous as using straight lye.

I stopped watching after he did that. For him to be a Dr, I expected more from him

I dont really watch him because he annoys me.

Most of the people Oprah has sponsored have annoyed me. The only one I can tolerate more than the others is Rachel Ray, probably because I like to cook.
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I think his main point was to show what the main ingredient that causes the straightening of hair is capable of. Well, that's what I got out of it.
 
I think what Pink219 was implying is the simplistic final comments they exchanged at the conclusion of the relaxer segment of the segment. It seemed they both were rather matter of fact about saying these things are bad and obviously looking at their hair (although whe don't know what state her hair is naturally), anyone who has tried unsuccessfully to manage their natural hair (for what ever reason) may find their comments a little off putting, like "how dare you tell me how I should wear my hair. Get back to me after you've gone through a 3 hour detangling session."
 
wow... so this is kinda weird:ohwell:

why are people clouding the very super simple 'made-for-tv' issue on the potential dangers of relaxers/bkt? how odd. the show didn't reveal anything groundbreaking or new. and btw: this Dr. Oz going through medical school has nothing to do w/ his relative authority to speak on relaxers or BKT on national television. it's not like he did months of double-blind studies before revealing his peer-approved research to the stay at home mums who watch the show. it's daytime tv. the show was facile and revealed NOTHING those of us on this board didn't already know.

so why the side-eye, calling out his race, his credentials, the quality of his show (inflamatory/drama queen) etc. why y'all getting defensive?

if you relax or bkt and you're proud and happy and growing long 'healthy' hair, i'd hope you're doing it whilst being fully aware of the dangers inherent in your regimen. pls don't tell me this is the first time you've heard this stuff is dangerous and you just can't take the shock so you have to lash out. the hell? i think i stayed on here too late. people walking around all brand new and ish. if you're in denial snap out of it. a better retort than all this defensiveness is "yeh, it has its risks but it works for me". it's 2011, you don't have to be a black scientist to break the news that relaxers are dangerous and the fact that bkt is toxic is also not new. what's to debate?

tro! *walks out of thread*
 
I don't know about some of these comments up in this thread ladies. I've always been one of those people that could accept an argument against something, even if it was a practice I happened to engage in.

So...yes, I happen to be natural now, but even when I was relaxing for those 18 years, I was fully aware of the inherent risks associated with the product. I just made a decision to ignore or accept them. What I DIDN'T do, is pretend they didn't exist, just for argument sake :nono::ohwell:
 
I relax and I didn't find the segment racist, offensive, or any of that. I mean, I did hear Dr. Oz emphasize many times that the incorrect use of these chemicals worried him. And let's be honest - we know too many black women who abuse the heck out of them.

If you're using relaxers safely and are fully aware of the risks associated with it, I don't see how the show could have been mildly offensive. Dr. Oz was speaking the truth. What difference does it make that those words came out of white (Turkish) man's mouth? Many of us here preach the dangers of relaxers through snide remarks or bold statements and these kinds of super defensive reactions rarely come about.

Okay, let me not pretend that hair isn't a sensitive issue for us black women because it is. I get why we're being defensive. He doesn't understand our story and et cetera. Heck, even I cringed a little hearing this outsider pretty much attack something that carries so much baggage for us. It felt like he was attacking me. To get past this all, I think we should remember that we do not live in an insular society and everything isn't always about us.
 
MrsHdrLe said:
I think what Pink219 was implying is the simplistic final comments they exchanged at the conclusion of the relaxer segment of the segment. It seemed they both were rather matter of fact about saying these things are bad and obviously looking at their hair (although whe don't know what state her hair is naturally), anyone who has tried unsuccessfully to manage their natural hair (for what ever reason) may find their comments a little off putting, like "how dare you tell me how I should wear my hair. Get back to me after you've gone through a 3 hour detangling session."
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Amen to that!
 
of course they used a black woman for the lye demonstration :giggle:

thanks for posting, op. i enjoyed the clips. they were very informative and, IMO, unbiased

he specifically saud he wasn't against straighteners, but, rather, the incorrect[/i] use of them

and the white lady actually gave good relaxer advice: follow the directions; wait 8 weeks; base your salp
 
Solitude said:
I didn't watch the clips, but Dr. Oz is a drama queen.
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Dr. Oz is flawless. FLAWLESS.

oh and he's turkish for those wondering. Not anglo saxon but white.
 
I relax but I darn well know the risks involved.Whether it was a homeless person on the side of the road or a doctor giving the information, right is right. I was just thinking yesterday that I hope something safer eventually comes out though. I loves me some straight hair lol; with all the technological advances Im sure something will soon enough. And yes his credentials do matter. If something goes wrong and you burn all your hair out where are you going to go? A doctor ,dermatologist to be exact. I really would hope that no one would start a thread saying I severely burned my hair and scalp what do I do now before a light bulb in their head went of that said to go to the doctor. It makes no sense to downplay his credentials because he can not directly relate to you lifestyle. He is a doctor, he earned that title for a reason.
 
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drmuffin said:
I think his main point was to show what the main ingredient that causes the straightening of hair is capable of. Well, that's what I got out of it.
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Most intelligent people know that lye is dangerous. Why couldnt he bring out a relaxer and then put it on paper, because it wouldn't garner the same reaction.

Its bad enough we have folks getting out of pocket about our hair from that silly *** Chris Rock movie, now they have more Ammo.

I still think he could have done better.
 
I love Dr. Oz. But my view is this, if someone wants to use these products to alter their hair texture, more power to them. I personally wouldn't relax ever again or even do a BKT. But if you have a trusting hair stylist, and if you are aware of the dangers and you take care of yourself, I think you'll be ok.
 
Exactly!

I watched the show (love Dr. Oz!), saw the experiment and kept it moving. I know about the risks about using a relaxer and I still use it.

No biggie.

bride91501 said:
I don't know about some of these comments up in this thread ladies. I've always been one of those people that could accept an argument against something, even if it was a practice I happened to engage in.

So...yes, I happen to be natural now, but even when I was relaxing for those 18 years, I was fully aware of the inherent risks associated with the product. I just made a decision to ignore or accept them. What I DIDN'T do, is pretend they didn't exist, just for argument sake :nono::ohwell:
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Yeah, basically..... :spinning:

ezina said:
I relax and I didn't find the segment racist, offensive, or any of that. I mean, I did hear Dr. Oz emphasize many times that the incorrect use of these chemicals worried him. And let's be honest - we know too many black women who abuse the heck out of them.

If you're using relaxers safely and are fully aware of the risks associated with it, I don't see how the show could have been mildly offensive. Dr. Oz was speaking the truth. What difference does it make that those words came out of white (Turkish) man's mouth? Many of us here preach the dangers of relaxers through snide remarks or bold statements and these kinds of super defensive reactions rarely come about.

Okay, let me not pretend that hair isn't a sensitive issue for us black women because it is. I get why we're being defensive. He doesn't understand our story and et cetera. Heck, even I cringed a little hearing this outsider pretty much attack something that carries so much baggage for us. It felt like he was attacking me. To get past this all, I think we should remember that we do not live in an insular society and everything isn't always about us.
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Myjourney2009 said:
Most intelligent people know that lye is dangerous. Why couldnt he bring out a relaxer and then put it on paper, because it wouldn't garner the same reaction.

Its bad enough we have folks getting out of pocket about our hair from that silly *** Chris Rock movie, now they have more Ammo.

I still think he could have done better.
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Lol, you'd have to take that one up with the dr. himself! My thing is, I don't give the average person credit enough to know the true potential that lye has. Other than us hair-minded peeps on LHCF, I think the general public thinks that they just want to be relaxed without taking the full precaution. Maybe that was his target audience on that one. Darn that Chris Rock...:lol:
 
I wish Chris Rock would have never made that movie. What black women do to their hair is their business. Now other races can copy our style and be as cool as we are. :nono::ohwell:
 
Well most items we use in everyday products would cause harm when used inappropriately or broken down to their basic chemical element. I believe a lot of these shows are just inflammatory in order to get ratings,

I would like to believe most people are intelligent enough to do their research and not just listen to folk cause they're on TV people need to start asking: what is dude getting from telling me this? Instead of just taking everything at face value and driving themselves crazy.
 
drmuffin said:
Lol, you'd have to take that one up with the dr. himself! My thing is, I don't give the average person credit enough to know the true potential that lye has. Other than us hair-minded peeps on LHCF, I think the general public thinks that they just want to be relaxed without taking the full precaution. Maybe that was his target audience on that one. Darn that Chris Rock...:lol:
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Everyone that uses a relaxer on their own, knows that lye is harmful; I'm excluding children under the age of 13-15. I did not even use a lye relaxer until I was in my 20's as myself along with others did not know you could just pop into a BSS and purchase it without a license.
 
KumakoXsd said:
I love Dr. Oz. But my view is this, if someone wants to use these products to alter their hair texture, more power to them. I personally wouldn't relax ever again or even do a BKT. But if you have a trusting hair stylist, and if you are aware of the dangers and you take care of yourself, I think you'll be ok.
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I think his point was to make people aware of the dangers so they could make an informed decision about the products they use in their hair. I think most of the women getting offended are ones who already know and accept the dangers, but let's be real. There are a lot of ignorant people using relaxers. Sometimes they need a medical professional to spell it out. You think 40-50 years ago that the general public knew how dangerous cigarettes were? Some did, but others just wanted to smoke and thought "more power to me" :lol:
 
The young lady hair in the first video looks so stiff and hard when she tossed it after the Brazilian treatment... eww. Very informational video though. Thanks for sharing.
 
BEAUTYU2U said:
I think his point was to make people aware of the dangers so they could make an informed decision about the products they use in their hair. I think most of the women getting offended are ones who already know and accept the dangers, but let's be real. There are a lot of ignorant people using relaxers. Sometimes they need a medical professional to spell it out. You think 40-50 years ago that the general public knew how dangerous cigarettes were? Some did, but others just wanted to smoke and thought "more power to me" :lol:
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My thoughts exactly. I wanna add or change my previous statement. Yes lye can be dangerous. But I also think that the "ignorant people" don't follow up with the proper care needed after relaxing. I am in no way bashing relaxed women, b/c we all know how quick we like to get up in arms about any and everything, BUT I have seen waaaaaaay too many relaxed women of all ages with little to no hair on there heads. I remember when I was teaching high school and seeing some of my relaxed students and thinking "Omg, their hair is barely NL!" BARELY! They simply don't follow a healthy hair reggie after relaxing. I think that has to be taken into account also.
 
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