Is sublimed sulfur safe?

[LadyAmani]

I know i am paranoid but ladies i need to know what you guys think is it safe especially for long term use, i think i read some where that it was cancerous but i don't remember where... I tried googling lol but i haven't found anything about it being cancerous but i just wanted to double check and make sure you guys haven't heard anything negative either. Thanks a lot in advance.

HHG

 

[lilikoi]

I know i am paranoid but ladies i need to know what you guys think is it safe especially for long term use, i think i read some where that it was cancerous but i don't remember where... I tried googling lol but i haven't found anything about it being cancerous but i just wanted to double check and make sure you guys haven't heard anything negative either. Thanks a lot in advance.

HHG

Generally safe. Just don't get it in your eyes. Some people are sensitive or allergic to it. If it doesn't bother you, I don't see the harm. I never heard anything about it being carcinogenic.

The info below is from the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS):

Appearance: yellow solid.
Warning! Flammable solid. Causes eye, skin, and respiratory tract irritation. May cause central nervous system effects.
Target Organs: Central nervous system, respiratory system, eyes, skin.


Potential Health Effects
Eye: Causes eye irritation. Effects may be delayed. Causes redness and pain. May cause chemical conjunctivitis and corneal damage.
Skin: Causes skin irritation. Causes redness and pain.
Ingestion: May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.
Inhalation: Causes respiratory tract irritation. Olfactory fatigue may occur. Can produce delayed pulmonary edema. May cause central nervous system effects such as nausea and headache.
Chronic: Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause dermatitis. Chronic inhalation may cause effects similar to those of acute inhalation.

 

[NJoy]

I haven't read anything about it being cancerous longterm but, my rule of thumb is if you have any notions that it's not safe, don't use it.

And excuse this temporary hijack but, can I just throw something out there?

I have a real disregard for cancer, in general. It seems to threaten us from every direction. We've all heard reports of carcinogens in our foods, water, medicines and even the air. Potential exposure cannot be avoided. I mean, it's in the air, right? If you focus on the negative, your body will be more open to attracting that thing that you greatly fear. I say, do reasonable due diligence (which you're doing now) and then do what you can to keep your body in a condition that is not succeptible to sickness and disease. A slightly alkaline pH from a healthy diet, exercise, limit exposure to harmful assaults from things such as radiation and incorporate balancing opportunities from things such as prayer and meditation. These are the body's best defenses. But above all, expect to live a long healthy life and enjoy living it for as long as you live.

An unbalanced, unhealthy, fearful, stressed body is fertile ground for cancer. Take a stand against it. There is One who is greater than cancer. And that One should be on the inside of you already. Rememba dat.

Done. Carry on.

 

[EllePixie]

I read this really scary article on it - MSM Sulfur vs. Sulfur, but seriously, I agree with NJoy. Like how all of a sudden people are freaking out about parabens and preservatives in products, when we've been using them for 20+ years. Seems like EVERYTHING causes cancer these days.

 

[LadyAmani]

Generally safe. Just don't get it in your eyes. Some people are sensitive or allergic to it. If it doesn't bother you, I don't see the harm. I never heard anything about it being carcinogenic.

The info below is from the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS):

Appearance: yellow solid.
Warning! Flammable solid. Causes eye, skin, and respiratory tract irritation. May cause central nervous system effects.
Target Organs: Central nervous system, respiratory system, eyes, skin.


Potential Health Effects
Eye: Causes eye irritation. Effects may be delayed. Causes redness and pain. May cause chemical conjunctivitis and corneal damage.
Skin: Causes skin irritation. Causes redness and pain.
Ingestion: May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.
Inhalation: Causes respiratory tract irritation. Olfactory fatigue may occur. Can produce delayed pulmonary edema. May cause central nervous system effects such as nausea and headache.
Chronic: Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause dermatitis. Chronic inhalation may cause effects similar to those of acute inhalation.

Thanks lilikoi i was trying to find tis on that website and i couldn't....

I haven't read anything about it being cancerous longterm but, my rule of thumb is if you have any notions that it's not safe, don't use it.

And excuse this temporary hijack but, can I just throw something out there?

I have a real disregard for cancer, in general. It seems to threaten us from every direction. We've all heard reports of carcinogens in our foods, water, medicines and even the air. Potential exposure cannot be avoided. I mean, it's in the air, right? If you focus on the negative, your body will be more open to attracting that thing that you greatly fear. I say, do reasonable due diligence (which you're doing now) and then do what you can to keep your body in a condition that is not succeptible to sickness and disease. A slightly alkaline pH from a healthy diet, exercise, limit exposure to harmful assaults from things such as radiation and incorporate balancing opportunities from things such as prayer and meditation. These are the body's best defenses. But above all, expect to live a long healthy life and enjoy living it for as long as you live.

An unbalanced, unhealthy, fearful, stressed body is fertile ground for cancer. Take a stand against it. There is One who is greater than cancer. And that One should be on the inside of you already. Rememba dat.

Done. Carry on.

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Thanks NJoy i needed to be reminded of that, Im a new mom and i have just been freaking out about every little thing, I need to keep in my mind that i am a child of God and as long as i do what im supposed to i and my child will be covered in his blessings.

I read this really scary article on it - MSM Sulfur vs. Sulfur, but seriously, I agree with NJoy. Like how all of a sudden people are freaking out about parabens and preservatives in products, when we've been using them for 20+ years. Seems like EVERYTHING causes cancer these days.

I know EllePixie its ridiculous and then even if you want to go natural its expensive, but im not going to even worry about it anymore.

Thanks again Ladies!!

 

[Carisa]

I haven't read anything about it being cancerous longterm but, my rule of thumb is if you have any notions that it's not safe, don't use it.

And excuse this temporary hijack but, can I just throw something out there?

I have a real disregard for cancer, in general. It seems to threaten us from every direction. We've all heard reports of carcinogens in our foods, water, medicines and even the air. Potential exposure cannot be avoided. I mean, it's in the air, right? If you focus on the negative, your body will be more open to attracting that thing that you greatly fear. I say, do reasonable due diligence (which you're doing now) and then do what you can to keep your body in a condition that is not succeptible to sickness and disease. A slightly alkaline pH from a healthy diet, exercise, limit exposure to harmful assaults from things such as radiation and incorporate balancing opportunities from things such as prayer and meditation. These are the body's best defenses. But above all, expect to live a long healthy life and enjoy living it for as long as you live.

An unbalanced, unhealthy, fearful, stressed body is fertile ground for cancer. Take a stand against it. There is One who is greater than cancer. And that One should be on the inside of you already. Rememba dat.

Done. Carry on.

So true! Some people are also more likely to get cancer due to genes too (nothing you could do to change that). Getting cancer usually cant be avoided because many times noone ever knows where the toxicity causing it came from (air, food, water, plastics, the paint in your house ect) But to answer OP question i've never heard of subl. sulfur being cancerous. I personally only use the msm sulfur though

 

[alive]

I'm gonna have to keep an eye on this thread I've been hearing about sublimed sulphur but I don't know exactly what it is or how safe it is and all that good stuff

 

[alive]

I haven't read anything about it being cancerous longterm but, my rule of thumb is if you have any notions that it's not safe, don't use it.

And excuse this temporary hijack but, can I just throw something out there?

I have a real disregard for cancer, in general. It seems to threaten us from every direction. We've all heard reports of carcinogens in our foods, water, medicines and even the air. Potential exposure cannot be avoided. I mean, it's in the air, right? If you focus on the negative, your body will be more open to attracting that thing that you greatly fear. I say, do reasonable due diligence (which you're doing now) and then do what you can to keep your body in a condition that is not succeptible to sickness and disease. A slightly alkaline pH from a healthy diet, exercise, limit exposure to harmful assaults from things such as radiation and incorporate balancing opportunities from things such as prayer and meditation. These are the body's best defenses. But above all, expect to live a long healthy life and enjoy living it for as long as you live.

An unbalanced, unhealthy, fearful, stressed body is fertile ground for cancer. Take a stand against it. There is One who is greater than cancer. And that One should be on the inside of you already. Rememba dat.

Done. Carry on.

LOVE this entire post! thank you Njoy!!!

 

[CurlyMoo]

I read this really scary article on it - MSM Sulfur vs. Sulfur, but seriously, I agree with NJoy. Like how all of a sudden people are freaking out about parabens and preservatives in products, when we've been using them for 20+ years. Seems like EVERYTHING causes cancer these days.

Well considering the cancer rates, it should be declared an epidemic. There is a reason for all the cancer going on and I bet it happened over the past 20+ years. People really need to get back to eating and living healthy lives. That also includes leaving stressful enviornments.

 

[curlycoquette]

I read this really scary article on it - MSM Sulfur vs. Sulfur, but seriously, I agree with NJoy. Like how all of a sudden people are freaking out about parabens and preservatives in products, when we've been using them for 20+ years. Seems like EVERYTHING causes cancer these days.

That article refers to sulfuric acid, not sublimed sulfur. I think Njoy mentioned that in another thread as well. Sulfuric acid is NOT sublimed sulfur!
Trust me, if you were rubbing sulfuric acid on your scalp, you would know. :burning:

 

[EllePixie]

That article refers to sulfuric acid, not sublimed sulfur. I think Njoy mentioned that in another thread as well. Sulfuric acid is NOT sublimed sulfur!
Trust me, if you were rubbing sulfuric acid on your scalp, you would know. :burning:

I thought it mentioned sulfur as well? Isn't the below talking about sublime sulfur? I may be confused.

Sulfur. A nonmetallic, multivalent, tasteless, odorless chemical element that occurs abundantly in yellow crystalline form or in masses, especially in volcanic areas. Its atomic number is 16; its atomic weight is 32.06. It is used to produce sulfuric acid and used chemically in metallurgy, rubber vulcanization, petroleum refining, and many other industrial purposes. Sulfur has been used in the treatment of gout, rheumatism, and bronchitis and as a mild laxative. The sulfonamides, or sulfa drugs, are used in the treatment of various bacterial infections. Also spelled sulphur. Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 3rd edition, p. 1132

Read more: MSM Sulfur vs. Sulfur

 

[lilikoi]

I thought it mentioned sulfur as well? Isn't the below talking about sublime sulfur? I may be confused.

Sulfur. A nonmetallic, multivalent, tasteless, odorless chemical element that occurs abundantly in yellow crystalline form or in masses, especially in volcanic areas. Its atomic number is 16; its atomic weight is 32.06. It is used to produce sulfuric acid and used chemically in metallurgy, rubber vulcanization, petroleum refining, and many other industrial purposes. Sulfur has been used in the treatment of gout, rheumatism, and bronchitis and as a mild laxative. The sulfonamides, or sulfa drugs, are used in the treatment of various bacterial infections. Also spelled sulphur. Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 3rd edition, p. 1132

Read more: MSM Sulfur vs. Sulfur

Yes, that's a quote from the article but the author was drawing comparisons between MSM and sulfur oxide, precursor to sulfuric acid. Elemental sulfur or S2 (sorry, don't know how to type subscripts in html), which is what sublimed/flowers of sulfur consist of, has been used extensively used for so many purposes (as the article itself states) that is has proven to be nontoxic. Of course, as with anything, the dose (and the route of exposure) makes the toxin. We all agree that you shouldn't get vinegar in our eyes, or that vinegar can irritate your skin (go ahead, pour it over that paper cut and you'll see!) however, we go ahead and put in our food (and hair) and don't call it a toxin just because caution should be used when handling it.

Yes, there are many compounds that CONTAIN sulfur which are toxic or extremely hazardous but that doesn't mean the element sulfur shares those qualities.



Better living through chemistry.

 

[EllePixie]

Yes, that's a quote from the article but the author was drawing comparisons between MSM and sulfur oxide, precursor to sulfuric acid. Elemental sulfur or S2 (sorry, don't know how to type subscripts in html), which is what sublimed/flowers of sulfur consist of, has been used extensively used for so many purposes (as the article itself states) that is has proven to be nontoxic. Of course, as with anything, the dose (and the route of exposure) makes the toxin. We all agree that you shouldn't get vinegar in our eyes, or that vinegar can irritate your skin (go ahead, pour it over that paper cut and you'll see!) however, we go ahead and put in our food (and hair) and don't call it a toxin because caution should be used when handling it.

Yes, there are many compounds that CONTAIN sulfur which are toxic or extremely hazardous but that doesn't mean the element sulfur shares those qualities.



Better living through chemistry.

Yes, I knew that. I wasn't saying that sulfur and sulfuric acid are the same thing. I was mostly talking about the tone of the article regarding how it seems to praise MSM (and talk about how it's organic and can be ingested) but not so much with Sulfur, because it talks about how it is processed and makes the acid. But obviously, I'm not putting sulfuric acid on my scalp because it would burn my skin off.

 

[Missjae09]

I totally understand your concerns.. I too share the same concerns. I want to try the sublimed sulfur, I've already ordered it. I already use msm in my "growth concoction" that I use on my scalp. I tried to look up info on it, but I didn't find much. I do think I saw something that said it can be acidic. So I decided that I will test the pH of my mixture before I use it in addition to testing a patch before putting it on my entire head. With all of that being said, I'm still a bit nervous about it. I realized that what works for one person may not work for another. ​

 

[TLC1020]

Keeping an eye on this thread... I want to know more about sublimed sulfur also.. I'm scared to try it..

 

[Qtee]

I havent heard of sublimed sulfur before coming to LHCF but if you have concerns I think you should ask a health care professional (doctor, pharmacist, scientist)..

IDK maybe I'm feeling snotty from the "what threads can you do without in 2011"..but not to be mean OP..I dont understand why people dont ask the professionals instead of asking strangers online..Like the people who take 50-11 vitamins cause they heard it works for growth..my question is always did anyone talk to a doctor before mixing and consuming this stuff..

OK sorry for the hijack.. carry on..

 

[curlycoquette]

I thought it mentioned sulfur as well? Isn't the below talking about sublime sulfur? I may be confused.

Sulfur. A nonmetallic, multivalent, tasteless, odorless chemical element that occurs abundantly in yellow crystalline form or in masses, especially in volcanic areas. Its atomic number is 16; its atomic weight is 32.06. It is used to produce sulfuric acid and used chemically in metallurgy, rubber vulcanization, petroleum refining, and many other industrial purposes. Sulfur has been used in the treatment of gout, rheumatism, and bronchitis and as a mild laxative. The sulfonamides, or sulfa drugs, are used in the treatment of various bacterial infections. Also spelled sulphur. Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 3rd edition, p. 1132

Read more: MSM Sulfur vs. Sulfur

The mention of sulfur is only to illustrate how sulfur oxide and sulfuric acid are made. Nothing further. The article actually does a poor job of distinguishing the forms of sulfur that it is describing- using "sulfur" as a blanket term, when they are indeed referring to various forms and states. If you would like a more reliable source, I would turn to academic texts and medical journals. I posted a couple in another thread, I can repost if you'd like.

Sulfur in both the precipitated and sublimed forms have been used extensively in Dermatological Medicine as a topical treatment for a vast array skin diseases and disorders. It is considered safe when used as directed.

 

[lilikoi]

Yes, I knew that. I wasn't saying that sulfur and sulfuric acid are the same thing.

I didn't mean to imply you did--sorry if it came out that way. I was elaborating because a lot of readers seem to be unclear on the differences among these compounds. I agree with you that the article is very confusing and somewhat inflammatory.

BTW, when the author touts MSM as "organic" sulfur, it doesn't mean "organic" in a "green", pesticide-free, good-for-the-environment way. It really means as in "organic" chemistry, that is, any compound that contains the element carbon is organic. By that definition, gasoline is organic too!

I was mostly talking about the tone of the article regarding how it seems to praise MSM (and talk about how it's organic and can be ingested) but not so much with Sulfur, because it talks about how it is processed and makes the acid.

I totally agree. But I'm not surprised since they're SELLING MSM on that website!

 

[curlycoquette]

I totally understand your concerns.. I too share the same concerns. I want to try the sublimed sulfur, I've already ordered it. I already use msm in my "growth concoction" that I use on my scalp. I tried to look up info on it, but I didn't find much. I do think I saw something that said it can be acidic. So I decided that I will test the pH of my mixture before I use it in addition to testing a patch before putting it on my entire head. With all of that being said, I'm still a bit nervous about it. I realized that what works for one person may not work for another. ​

It would be very hard to get an accurate pH read for a homemade solution with Sulfur, considering it does not fully dissolve to form a solution with the oil.

 

[hannan]

That article refers to sulfuric acid, not sublimed sulfur. I think Njoy mentioned that in another thread as well. Sulfuric acid is NOT sublimed sulfur!
Trust me, if you were rubbing sulfuric acid on your scalp, you would know. :burning:

And I thought getting diluted sulfuric acid on my fingers was horrible enough. Imagine your scalp! *shivers*

 

[Missjae09]

Thanks for breaking it down! That was well put.... Definitely better living through chemistry!

Yes, that's a quote from the article but the author was drawing comparisons between MSM and sulfur oxide, precursor to sulfuric acid. Elemental sulfur or S2 (sorry, don't know how to type subscripts in html), which is what sublimed/flowers of sulfur consist of, has been used extensively used for so many purposes (as the article itself states) that is has proven to be nontoxic. Of course, as with anything, the dose (and the route of exposure) makes the toxin. We all agree that you shouldn't get vinegar in our eyes, or that vinegar can irritate your skin (go ahead, pour it over that paper cut and you'll see!) however, we go ahead and put in our food (and hair) and don't call it a toxin just because caution should be used when handling it.

Yes, there are many compounds that CONTAIN sulfur which are toxic or extremely hazardous but that doesn't mean the element sulfur shares those qualities.



Better living through chemistry.

 

[Missjae09]

:scratchchhhhhhh...... Then, I guess I'll have to mainly rely on my patch test.

It would be very hard to get an accurate pH read for a homemade solution with Sulfur, considering it does not fully dissolve to form a solution with the oil.

 

[EllePixie]

I didn't mean to imply you did--sorry if it came out that way. I was elaborating because a lot of readers seem to be unclear on the differences among these compounds. I agree with you that the article is very confusing and somewhat inflammatory.

BTW, when the author touts MSM as "organic" sulfur, it doesn't mean "organic" in a "green", pesticide-free, good-for-the-environment way. It really means as in "organic" chemistry, that is, any compound that contains the element carbon is organic. By that definition, gasoline is organic too!



I totally agree. But I'm not surprised since they're SELLING MSM on that website!

Agree with you on all points - I think I wasn't clear in posting the article...I was just showing what I found. I'm not scared of sulfur or anything like that. I use sulfur every night, so obviously I wasn't taking what they said as gospel!

 

[Missjae09]

The whole concept of the forum is to get other peoples thoughts, ideas and advice. True, if it's that serious you could consult a physician, but I think one could also ask why bother coming to the forum to grow your hair long when you could just go to a licensed cosmetologist

I havent heard of sublimed sulfur before coming to LHCF but if you have concerns I think you should ask a health care professional (doctor, pharmacist, scientist)..

IDK maybe I'm feeling snotty from the "what threads can you do without in 2011"..but not to be mean OP..I dont understand why people dont ask the professionals instead of asking strangers online..Like the people who take 50-11 vitamins cause they heard it works for growth..my question is always did anyone talk to a doctor before mixing and consuming this stuff..

OK sorry for the hijack.. carry on..

 

[bgsix]

The whole concept of the forum is to get other peoples thoughts, ideas and advice. True, if it's that serious you could consult a physician, but I think one could also ask why bother coming to the forum to grow your hair long when you could just go to a licensed cosmetologist

 

[afrikurl]

sulfites, often found in foods and drinks are considered carcinogens. From what I understand it is in wine, some vinegars and some dried fruits. I try to avoid them.sulfur in its sublimed form is use to treat the skin and scalp.

 

[LadyAmani]

The whole concept of the forum is to get other peoples thoughts, ideas and advice. True, if it's that serious you could consult a physician, but I think one could also ask why bother coming to the forum to grow your hair long when you could just go to a licensed cosmetologist

Thanks ladies I LOVE this site i knew there would be some chemistry gurus to break it down for me...

Exactly Missjae if it was that serious i just wouldn't use it...I'm a broke college student im not going to run to the doc everytime i want to use a new product, especially when 7 times out of 10 that doc isn't going to understand and give me the side eye for why i want to use it lol

 

[Theresamonet]

Why are you all using sublimed sulfur for hair growth now instead of the MSM? Why is sublimed better?

 

[Hysi]

I'll keep an eye out. I just ordered the 4 oz sublimed. Can't wait to try it! Thx chicas!!!!!