Natural Hair Extremism... Discuss!

[LifeafterLHCF]

Natural extremist will cut you up if you say one bad word about natural hair..I did that tonight on fb..I was talking about how happy am about starting work and said I will be straightening my natural hair mess..the word messed evoked a WOW a straight hair isnt more professional etc...I thought when I went natural 5 yrs ago my hair would be big and flowy it isnt....I thought by being natural I was more in tuned with my blackness..Im not well not for that reason anyway..I hate when ppl try to put their belief and lack of open mindedness on others..I will be relaxing in the new year...I already get the pm saying dont do it the chemicals are bad etc...there are so many other things that are bad as well..we all must do what works for them..

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

I USUALLY OMIT the natural discussions...
(except to say something super silly)


however, I'm not concerned about Nicki or her rants... other than her LARGEST FOLLOWING ARE YOUNG PEOPLE

so.... yes I WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT HOW SHE MAY HAVE MADE A YOUNG TEEN OR TWEEN FEEL WITH THAT COMMENT....

we all were young once.... you know some idiot will think they're being cool to walk around the school rappin/taunting ALL THE YOUNG GIRLS WITH NATURAL HAIR..... "nappy headed ho's need a perminator" .... and yes GET TONS OF LAUGHS

I DON'T worry about adults.... I WORRY greatly about the confidence of your children

 

[maxineshaw]

It's going to take a lot more than a plastic barbie doll to piss me of. As much as they go off in rap songs with b*tches and h*es and ALL of that crap...I'd get up in arms about that sooner than some chick with a weave. So please. Folks do things for controversy to make their albums sell, just like ugly ole Raheem Devaughn with his new tasteless video.

So...I choose not to support said folks.

Amen empressri!!!! I can't stand that folks are getting all up in arms about her comment on natural hair, but not on the other stuff.

I left africanexport alone after the "b bomb" hope this thread goes well *snickers @ the words healthy and debate being in the same sentence* lol most people end up with high heart rates after debates lol.

What's the "b bomb"?

Natural extremist will cut you up if you say one bad word about natural hair..I did that tonight on fb..I was talking about how happy am about starting work and said I will be straightening my natural hair mess..the word messed evoked a WOW a straight hair isnt more professional etc...I thought when I went natural 5 yrs ago my hair would be big and flowy it isnt....I thought by being natural I was more in tuned with my blackness..Im not well not for that reason anyway..I hate when ppl try to put their belief and lack of open mindedness on others..I will be relaxing in the new year...I already get the pm saying dont do it the chemicals are bad etc...there are so many other things that are bad as well..we all must do what works for them..

Not just the hair GoddessMaker, but the products I chose to use to take care of mine. I was watching this video on youtube, and I left a comment stating that I no longer felt the need to use expensive products because I don't feel they work any differently than the cheaper ones. Just grease and water is all you need-that's basically what I said.

This woman commented back basically calling me a race trader and saying that I am wrong for not supporting my own just because I like hair grease. I know "nazi" is an extreme word, but sometimes it's totally appropriate.


And about NP-I what NP stands for, but I like SparklingFlame I don't deal well with extremes. I like the mixture that I find on LHCF better. Some of the best hair care advice I've ever gotten has been from permies.

 

[LifeafterLHCF]

Amen empressri!!!! I can't stand that folks are getting all up in arms about her comment on natural hair, but not on the other stuff.



What's the "b bomb"?



Not just the hair GoddessMaker, but the products I chose to use to take care of mine. I was watching this video on youtube, and I left a comment stating that I no longer felt the need to use expensive products because I don't feel they work any differently than the cheaper ones. Just grease and water is all you need-that's basically what I said.

This woman commented back basically calling me a race trader and saying that I am wrong for not supporting my own just because I like hair grease. I know "nazi" is an extreme word, but sometimes it's totally appropriate.


And about NP-I what NP stands for, but I like SparklingFlame I don't deal well with extremes. I like the mixture that I find on LHCF better. Some of the best hair care advice I've ever gotten has been from permies.

I know when I went natural the 2nd time I tried to use nothing but natural products threw all my shampoo away except for my old school CON poo..I was living in Whole foods..now I buy what I can afford and I dont worry about supporting anyone..I like the Kinky Knot Today but its 11.00 and isnt in my area and I have a policy I dont order hair stuff..its just not the serious for me..to some I may not be a black woman and Im perpetuating the status quo..so sad the world we live in that you can do you without the nonsense..

 

[Vashti]

I haven't listened to mainstream hiphop or rap in years. I had no idea who Minaj was until I saw AE's video addressing her lyrics. Couldn't care less. If she wants to look like Barbie even though Barbie is WHITE, well that's an extremism of another sort, isn't it?

 

[Afrobuttafly]

I was a lurker there several years ago. I remember a debate about wearing "out" styles. Apparently, *to some*you are not embracing your natural texture if you wear "out" styles. Too much for me.

What are "out" styles??

 

[ms-gg]

What are "out" styles??

braid out, twist out, bantu knot out, flat twist out etc etc...

 

[~Sparklingflame~]

I was a lurker there several years ago. I remember a debate about wearing "out" styles. Apparently, *to some*you are not embracing your natural texture if you wear "out" styles. Too much for me.

Ummm.....

 

[maxineshaw]

I was a lurker there several years ago. I remember a debate about wearing "out" styles. Apparently, *to some*you are not embracing your natural texture if you wear "out" styles. Too much for me.

Ummm.....

Is it because "out" styles can alter the appearance of your texture....making it look like you are trying to give the appearance of the so-called "good hair"? I get it (I think). That's very extreme.

 

[Iluvsmuhgrass]

Seriously? *sigh* Jesus take the wheel, lift me up, and hold my mule. Simultaneously.


People are crazy as hell. It's not that serious.


Carry on.

 

[nappystorm]

Is it because "out" styles can alter the appearance of your texture....making it look like you are trying to give the appearance of the so-called "good hair"? I get it (I think). That's very extreme.

Basically. Nevermind all the hairloss and breakage many get because of wash n go and strunken styles. I used to let my hair get dry and matted so that I could rock the chunky fro look and I lost a ton of hair

 

[Irresistible]

Is it because "out" styles can alter the appearance of your texture....making it look like you are trying to give the appearance of the so-called "good hair"? I get it (I think). That's very extreme.

Sorry, but also extremely stupid, not everybody can handle 'out styles' and the work it takes after. Nor would everybody's hair thrive that way. but yeah.... They been spiittin that nonsense for years .....boooo!

 

[Irresistible]

Is it because "out" styles can alter the appearance of your texture....making it look like you are trying to give the appearance of the so-called "good hair"? I get it (I think). That's very extreme.

oh wait, I just got this, they twisted it up now.....lmao lmao lmao. I'm dyin , before it was if you wear your hair tamed and up, you are not accepting your texture like seriously does it ever stop.......

 

[cocosweet]

Basically. Nevermind all the hairloss and breakage many get because of wash n go and strunken styles. I used to let my hair get dry and matted so that I could rock the chunky fro look and I lost a ton of hair

If I do the wash and go thing for more than 2 days back to back, theres gonna be trouble. Trouble. Learned the hard way.

I was a lurker there several years ago. I remember a debate about wearing "out" styles. Apparently, *to some*you are not embracing your natural texture if you wear "out" styles. Too much for me.

Some people need to get over themselves. Zealots. I'm so glad that I went natural before I discovered the hair boards. I'd have gone looney tunes trying to decipher all the hair typing, is curl definition the devil, natural vs. naptural politics.

 

[Irresistible]

If I do the wash and go thing for more than 2 days back to back, theres gonna be trouble. Trouble. Learned the hard way.

Some people need to get over themselves. Zealots. I'm so glad that I went natural before I discovered the hair boards. I'd have gone looney tunes trying to decipher all the hair typing, is curl definition the devil, natural vs. naptural politics.

and again

 

[MsLizziA]

Ummm.....

Is it because "out" styles can alter the appearance of your texture....making it look like you are trying to give the appearance of the so-called "good hair"? I get it (I think). That's very extreme.

Im sorry no offense to anyone, but u gotta be crazy.. so u telln me if i style my hair any other way then how it looks directly after i wash, i messing with the naturalness????? WTF????

 

[Trenell]

Im sorry no offense to anyone, but u gotta be crazy.. so u telln me if i style my hair any other way then how it looks directly after i wash, i messing with the naturalness????? WTF????

no.

There are degrees to everything. Is wearing my hair flat ironed pure evil? no. But, if I am natural but would not DARE to walk out the house without being flat ironed, have I really accepted my hair? It can be said the same for those ONLY ONLY ONLY wear twist outs. Always wanting to get the "good hair" look.

np.com is about saying "hey, my hair doesn't need to be 'fixed'". We talk about styling options, care and the politics behind hair. And for those who don't believe there is issues within our community with hair, do you also believe that there is not an issue with skin tone?

There's styling options and there are crutches.

There is only really a problem when new people come up on the board whining about why they can't talk about perms.

I like this board. and hope to become more active in it. But I just can't sit by when the real message of np.com is twisted.

 

[~Sparklingflame~]

no.

There are degrees to everything. Is wearing my hair flat ironed pure evil? no. But, if I am natural but would not DARE to walk out the house without being flat ironed, have I really accepted my hair? It can be said the same for those ONLY ONLY ONLY wear twist outs. Always wanting to get the "good hair" look.

np.com is about saying "hey, my hair doesn't need to be 'fixed'". We talk about styling options, care and the politics behind hair. And for those who don't believe there is issues within our community with hair, do you also believe that there is not an issue with skin tone?

There's styling options and there are crutches.

There is only really a problem when new people come up on the board whining about why they can't talk about perms.

I like this board. and hope to become more active in it. But I just can't sit by when the real message of np.com is twisted.

I think NP has a wonderful message. It just gets lost with all the extraness IMO.

 

[Irresistible]

no.

There are degrees to everything. Is wearing my hair flat ironed pure evil? no. But, if I am natural but would not DARE to walk out the house without being flat ironed, have I really accepted my hair? It can be said the same for those ONLY ONLY ONLY wear twist outs. Always wanting to get the "good hair" look.

np.com is about saying "hey, my hair doesn't need to be 'fixed'". We talk about styling options, care and the politics behind hair. And for those who don't believe there is issues within our community with hair, do you also believe that there is not an issue with skin tone?

There's styling options and there are crutches.

There is only really a problem when new people come up on the board whining about why they can't talk about perms.

I like this board. and hope to become more active in it. But I just can't sit by when the real message of np.com is twisted.

The real issue is imposing anyone's own view on another. What's really twisted is telling another how they feel about themselves and their hair according to some 'invisible hair rules' from the Natural hair God's. The real issue is even finding an issue with what another does to their hair whatsoever. There are no real degrees to the issue. The truth is everybody should just worry about what they do with their own head of hair and their own issues. That would fix the issues all together

Juss saying

 

[Trenell]

The real issue is imposing anyone's own view on another. What's really twisted is telling another how they feel about themselves and their hair according to some 'invisible hair rules' from the Natural hair God's. The real issue is even finding an issue with what another does to their hair whatsoever. There are no real degrees to the issue. The truth is everybody should just worry about what they do with their own head of hair and their own issues. That would fix the issues all together

Juss saying

So are you saying as a whole black people do not have a history of believing features common in our race are not good enough. (ie hair, skintone, etc) ? I'm not saying that every single person that alters their hair texture hates being black. I just think it is worth examining why we do what we do given the history. Why we may favor looser curls than tighter.

When I first went natural, I wet my hair every single day, at times more than once a day. Why? Because i wanted that perfect curl look it had when it was wet. It kinked up once it was dry. Couldn't have THAT, now could I. In time I realized that was pure madness. PLUS I was jacking up the head rest of my car. In my heart, I knew what it was about.

Perhaps for you, hair is just hair. But for MANY black women it is a huge decision when they decided to no longer perm their hair. Men who claim they love them say nasty things. Some fear not finding a man period, or a job. They actually are told and believe that cannot find gainful employment due to natural hair. That is some serious brainwashing and np.com is the support system

 

[vainღ♥♡jane]

jeesh. everyone should just do what works for their hair. ♥

 

[Trenell]

jeesh. everyone should just do what works for their hair. ♥

I totally agree.

 

[Irresistible]

So are you saying as a whole black people do not have a history of believing features common in our race are not good enough. (ie hair, skintone, etc) ? I'm not saying that every single person that alters their hair texture hates being black. I just think it is worth examining why we do what we do given the history. Why we may favor looser curls than tighter.

When I first went natural, I wet my hair every single day, at times more than once a day. Why? Because i wanted that perfect curl look it had when it was wet. It kinked up once it was dry. Couldn't have THAT, now could I. In time I realized that was pure madness. PLUS I was jacking up the head rest of my car. In my heart, I knew what it was about.

Perhaps for you, hair is just hair. But for MANY black women it is a huge decision when they decided to no longer perm their hair. Men who claim they love them say nasty things. Some fear not finding a man period, or a job. They actually are told and believe that cannot find gainful employment due to natural hair. That is some serious brainwashing and np.com is the support system

I am far from saying their isn't self hate. But so what if someone doesn't like their texture. So what? Who said they had to? like seriously , who said. It's an extreme view no matter how you slice it. To take on the job of fixing everyone's hair mentality based on those who walk around thinking their 'hair mentality' is the only righteous one. Take you for example, not everyone that wets their hair everyday for curls will jack up their hair , nor are they hating their hair. So one person's hair views (or a whole group) or rules will never apply across the board. It's the imposition of the ' only righteous hair position' that really translates in the end as the real hate

girl I been natural 16 years and seen and heard it all by now. I learned about my natural hair long long before the internet or hair borads whatsoever. Hair is far from just hair to me, well it is just hair, I am just really not into how things have been imposed on me and others by the natural hair God's and Gurus. Sorry but I do reject anyone imposing their own views on hair as 'righteous' on others, and really in the end turns out to be 'judgment's' all based on what someone does or does not do with their hair

Please you are talking about being on a site I know for a fact at one point would have 'blasted' you for flat ironing at all. In fact I know many members still will. No need to sugar coat this. A little bit of 'tolerance here and there' will never work. you are either tolerant of others and their hair choices or you aren't.

I know of NP and another group very well, the supposed purpose, but but also the end result and the divisions. I know it all , all too well

That 'support' does turn into division, extremes and imposing on others. That is all.

 

[LuvlyRain3]

So are you saying as a whole black people do not have a history of believing features common in our race are not good enough. (ie hair, skintone, etc) ? I'm not saying that every single person that alters their hair texture hates being black. I just think it is worth examining why we do what we do given the history. Why we may favor looser curls than tighter.

When I first went natural, I wet my hair every single day, at times more than once a day. Why? Because i wanted that perfect curl look it had when it was wet. It kinked up once it was dry. Couldn't have THAT, now could I. In time I realized that was pure madness. PLUS I was jacking up the head rest of my car. In my heart, I knew what it was about.

Perhaps for you, hair is just hair. But for MANY black women it is a huge decision when they decided to no longer perm their hair. Men who claim they love them say nasty things. Some fear not finding a man period, or a job. They actually are told and believe that cannot find gainful employment due to natural hair. That is some serious brainwashing and np.com is the support system

My only problem with np is that they aren't really encouraging acceptance of your own hair and its natural texture. To censor out terms that shows other aspects of the black hair community is, to me, trying to pretend like these other aspects don't exist. Being able to accept and love your hair in my opinion means to be able to see all these other options and be satisfied and happy with what you have. I plan on straightening my hair when it gets longer. Bring natural offers me that versatility. That's something that np doesn't seem to get. That one of the greatest things about our hair is is versatility.



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[Trenell]

Please you are talking about being on a site I know for a fact at one point would have 'blasted' you for flat ironing at all. .

That's why I don't go on there posting my flat iron photos. I respect the rules of the board, as I said on an earlier post

I didn't say wetting my hair jacked up my hair. I said the head rest of my car, b/c you know, it getting a wet with water and product.

I'm not about passing judgement. A lot of black people feel that the hair that naturally grows from our head is bad. To be looked on in disgust. Our secret shame. That's not judgment, that is a sad truth. To me that, I'm sorry, is a huge problem. Just like saying dark skin is ugly. It's coming from the same place.

My main point of posting in this thread was to point out that np.com is not a crazed messageboard. (The no talk of altering texture is not crazed) Like every board, including this one I assume, there are members who are crazed. No board should be judged by the few crazies

 

[Irresistible]

That's why I don't go on there posting my flat iron photos. I respect the rules of the board, as I said on an earlier post

I didn't say wetting my hair jacked up my hair. I said the head rest of my car, b/c you know, it getting a wet with water and product.

I'm not about passing judgement. A lot of black people feel that the hair that naturally grows from our head is bad. To be looked on in disgust. Our secret shame. That's not judgment, that is a sad truth. To me that, I'm sorry, is a huge problem. Just like saying dark skin is ugly. It's coming from the same place.

My main point of posting in this thread was to point out that np.com is not a crazed messageboard. (The no talk of altering texture is not crazed) Like every board, including this one I assume, there are members who are crazed. No board should be judged by the few crazies

most of us are not just talking without having been there , you do understand that right? we know the general tone of the board, if we chose it wasnt for us, and you chose it was in spite of their 'rules' thats fine too. Sorry I mixed up 'the hair or head rest' but the message still applies as far as applying a set of 'hair rules and views' on everybody that is natural. Regardless of how anyone geeks up the support viewpoint of the board , wont change that most of us have already witnessed the 'extraness' as SparklingFlame put it so Eloquently. We have our own feeling about it all , like you do. The fact is many of us already looked at the whole picture and understood it long ago- so there is no point in going on about the whole point of the board-we already know-yet still chose to not weed out the 'extraness' and just simply not be a part of it whatsoever. That can only be respected , just like another's hair choices.

 

[Trenell]

My only problem with np is that they aren't really encouraging acceptance of your own hair and its natural texture. To censor out terms that shows other aspects of the black hair community is, to me, trying to pretend like these other aspects don't exist. Being able to accept and lobe your hair in my opinion means to be able to see all these other options and be satisfied and happy with what you have. I plan on straightening my hair when it gets longer. Bring natural offers me that versatility. That's something that np doesn't seem to get. That one of the greatest things about our hair is is versatility.



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The only versatility they don't condone is straightening. I do more with my natural hair than I ever did with my relaxed hair.

Most of the people who go on np.com KNOW about relaxers and pressing. They log on to learn about dealing their natural hair. And learn to love it. As I said in a previous post some women have a hard time with going natural and the only support system is the board. And to advocate altering texture could be counter productive. That's all

 

[nappystorm]

So are you saying as a whole black people do not have a history of believing features common in our race are not good enough. (ie hair, skintone, etc) ? I'm not saying that every single person that alters their hair texture hates being black. I just think it is worth examining why we do what we do given the history. Why we may favor looser curls than tighter.

When I first went natural, I wet my hair every single day, at times more than once a day. Why? Because i wanted that perfect curl look it had when it was wet. It kinked up once it was dry. Couldn't have THAT, now could I. In time I realized that was pure madness. PLUS I was jacking up the head rest of my car. In my heart, I knew what it was about.

Perhaps for you, hair is just hair. But for MANY black women it is a huge decision when they decided to no longer perm their hair. Men who claim they love them say nasty things. Some fear not finding a man period, or a job. They actually are told and believe that cannot find gainful employment due to natural hair. That is some serious brainwashing and np.com is the support system

I get what you're saying. Most of us (naturals) do. We've all been there. Had it not been for the forums and online communities, I would have never had the urge to chop and I would have relaxed out of frustration years ago. I got countless of nasty comments about my natural hair. From nappy headed to looking wild to jungle woman to the you used to be pretty...

However, I wouldn't appreciate people talking ish because I decided to wear my hair straight for the winter, rock a long weave or try to define my curls. Although I wear my hair natural most of the time IRL, most of my avatars and signature pics are straight because I want to show my length. I know they would have roasted me over there.

Like I said in another thread, I've gotten it from both sides. My feelings and reactions were exactly the same even though the comments came from opposite ends of the spectrum.*IMO* the natural nazis are as bad as the creamy crack patrol.

 

[Trenell]

most of us are not just talking without having been there , you do understand that right? we know the general tone of the board, if we chose it wasnt for us, and you chose it was in spite of their 'rules' thats fine too. Sorry I mixed up 'the hair or head rest' but the message still applies as far as applying a set of 'hair rules and views' on everybody that is natural. Regardless of how anyone geeks up the support viewpoint of the board , wont change that most of us have already witnessed the 'extraness' as SparklingFlame put it so Eloquently. We have our own feeling about it all , like you do. The fact is many of us already looked at the whole picture and understood it long ago- so there is no point in going on about the whole point of the board-we already know-yet still chose to not weed out the 'extraness' and just simply not be a part of it whatsoever. That can only be respected , just like another's hair choices.

I truly am sorry you got a negative vibe from np.com. I do mean that.

Just one more question (maybe , ha) Was the negative vibe something a poster said? Or just the fact that they don't condone talk of altering texture?

 

[Trenell]

However, I wouldn't appreciate people talking ish because I decided to wear my hair straight for the winter, rock a long weave or try to define my curls. Although I wear my hair natural most of the time IRL, most of my avatars and signature pics are straight because I want to show my length. I know they would have roasted me over there.

Like I said in another thread, I've gotten it from both sides. My feelings and reactions were exactly the same even though the comments came from opposite ends of the spectrum.*IMO* the natural nazis are as bad as the creamy crack patrol.

Nahhh, not roasted, just asked not to use it as your avatar.
And, no doubt, there are some "natural nazis" But i just wanted to say that np.com is not only those types. I don't think I am.