Your mindset on the word "God".....

alexstin

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I've always wondered about the use of God as the Father's name. For as long as I can remember I've never thought of God as the Father's name. I see God as who He is but His name is Jehovah. No different then I'm human but my name is ........

So, I have found it interesting to see the point of view where people put a dash in God or refrain from saying "Oh my God" because they see it as taking His name in vain.

What is your perspective on this?
 
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I've always wondered about the use of God as the Father's name. For as long as I can remember I've never thought of God as the Father's name. I see God as who He is but His name is Jehovah. No different then I'm human but my name is ........

So, I have found it interesting to see the point of view where people put a dash in God or refrain from saying "Oh my God" because they see it as taking His name in vain.

What is your perspective on this?

Hi Alexstin,

I found this and hope this helps:

Is "Jehovah" the Name of God?
by
Jason Dulle
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There is a common belief in modern Christendom that the divine name of God in the OT is "Jehovah." The most influential group advocating this pronunciation of God's name today is the Jehovah's Witnesses. This study is intended to demonstrate that the name "Jehovah" is not, and never was the name of God in the OT, but is an accidental, fabricated pronunciation of the divine name. Those who came up with this spelling/pronunciation did so from a misunderstanding of the Hebrew tetragrammaton "YHWH," as it appears in the OT text. The rendering of YHWH as "Yahweh" is much closer to the actual Hebrew name of God.

The way in which God’s name came to be spelled and pronounced as "Jehovah" is detailed with a lot of history and study of phonetics, but a few comments are in order here to help make some sense of the issue.
The Hebrew tetragrammaton, YHWH, is the way the name of God appears in the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrew language is a consonantal language, possessing no vowels. Vowels were pronounced, but not written. They were transmitted orally from generation to generation. This may like a difficult system, and quite strange to us, but it is not that difficult. Just as you can decipher that THS S TH WY TH HBRW PPL WRT BCK THN, means "this is the way Hebrew people wrote back then," so could they easily pronounce words without vowels.

By about 200 B.C., after the time of the Exile, and due to superstition, Jews would no longer pronounce God’s name for fear that they would take it in vain by not saying it properly. Instead of pronouncing the tetragrammaton, they would say Adonai, which is the Hebrew word meaning Lord. Because of this superstition, no one today knows exactly how it was pronounced. This was also true of the Masoretic scribes who copied the Hebrew Scriptures. When the Masoretic scribes, in the 9th to 10th ceturies, invented a system of vowels to preserve the pronunciation of the Hebrew Bible, they also inserted some vowels into the tetragrammaton. Because they too, did not know exactly how to pronounce God’s name, and did not believe one should attempt to, they did not try to insert the correct vowels into the tetragrammaton. Instead, they inserted the vowels from the Hebrew word Adonai, which are the sounds of the short a, long o, and another a with the sound of the word awesome. The insertions of these vowels were not for the purpose of pronunciation, but to remind the reader to say Adonai when they came to God’s name instead of pronouncing God’s name. If it was to be spelled out, however, it would read "Yehowah" (the vocalic change to the first vowel is due to the fact that yod, the first letter of the tetragrammaton is a non-gutteral, and thus turns the a sound [compound shewa] to a shortened, short e sound [simple shewa]).

Later on, in the days of the Renaissance, people were discovering the ancient languages all over again. The Hebrew Scriptures were being learned and read. When people came to the tetragrammaton, they simply pronounced it with the inserted vowels, not realizing that the vowels did not belong to YHWH, but were intended as indicators to say Adonai. As a result, they pronounced God’s name as Yehowah.

The spelling of "Iehovah" entered the English language through William Tyndale’s translation of the Bible completed in 1537. He transliterated the tetragrammaton into the English language with the Masoretic vowel markings as had those in the Renaissance. The letter and sound of the English "J" was a later development of the English language, and so this spelling and pronunciation would not change to "Jehovah" until the late 17th century. Since this time many English speakers have pronounced God’s name as Jehovah.

So how exactly should we pronounce the Hebrew YHWH? Because of the fact that the vocalic tradition for the pronunciation of YHWH has not been preserved, we cannot be absolutely sure about its pronunciation. We can be fairly certain, however. Here is a brief examination of the divine name of God.

YHWH is the third person singular form, most likely coming from the Hebrew word hayah, which has the meaning of "to be." In Exodus 3:14, when Moses asked God for His name, God said His name was ehyeh. This is the first person form of hayah, meaning "I am." YHWH is the third person form meaning "He is."

The original pronunciation was probably YaHWeH. This seems to be the case by examining Jewish names. Many names contain part of the divine name, i.e. yah, and by examing the vowels that they used to construct their names with the divine abbreviation attached, we can get a feel for how YWHW was originally pronounced. We conclude from the examining names such as Joshua, Jehoshaphat, Elijah, and even the word hallelujah (hallel=praise; yah=Yahweh), that YH was pronounced as yah. We also have evidence that Yahweh is probably the correct pronunciation from examining the Greek’s tranliteration of the divine name as iaoueor iabe.
In conclusion, although it is not necessarily wrong to say God’s name as Jehovah, by no means can it be claimed that Jehovah is the name of God that has only been restored to us in these recent times. At best Jehovah can only be claimed to be an acceptable way of pronouncing God’s name in the English language, and at worst it could be said to be a phonetic corruption of God’s name. The probable pronunciation of God’s revealed name is Yahweh.
 
As for my take on the - in God's name, I just think that there are going to be people who will do anything to make God less than who He is...The Great I AM.
 
As for my take on the - in God's name, I just think that there are going to be people who will do anything to make God less than who He is...The Great I AM.


Thank you! I am familiar with Yahweh and Yeshua as someone that I know uses those names. I think it's habit that I use Jehovah, though, since I hear Jehovah Jireh or Jehovah Shalom much more than Yahweh.

That article was a good reminder of using Yahweh instead of Jehovah.:yep:
 
As for my take on the - in God's name, I just think that there are going to be people who will do anything to make God less than who He is...The Great I AM.
I agree! In these days, I do see it as elimination or minimizing the name of God. Evn thgh th Hbrw txt ds hv tr mnng (Even though the Hebrew text does have true meaning). Back then it was out of respect and reverence.

Today, there is no reverence to God and His order. I see it as the same as the X in Christmas (Xmas). Although the origin of the X is Latin and does stand for Christ in Latin, in this day and time, the X is just that,
X-ing Christ out of Christmas. This world and its people do not want to be reminded that God is still alive and running things.

Am I making sense with all of this....:lol:
 
God has many names throughout the Bible, "Yahweh", "Jehovah", "I AM", etc. Did you know His name is also "Jealous?" Exodus 34:14.:yep: I believe as long as we speak His name whichever we use in love and reverence, we're doing ok.:yep:
 
God has many names throughout the Bible, "Yahweh", "Jehovah", "I AM", etc. Did you know His name is also "Jealous?" Exodus 34:14.:yep: I believe as long as we speak His name whichever we use in love and reverence, we're doing ok.:yep:
I agree, the 'key' is reverence. :yep:

But it sure is hard to find these days...:nono:
 
Thank you! I am familiar with Yahweh and Yeshua as someone that I know uses those names. I think it's habit that I use Jehovah, though, since I hear Jehovah Jireh or Jehovah Shalom much more than Yahweh.

That article was a good reminder of using Yahweh instead of Jehovah.:yep:

You are welcome. That article was a good reminder for me as well because I too use Jehovah Jireh, Jehovah Shalom.
 
I agree! In these days, I do see it as elimination or minimizing the name of God. Evn thgh th Hbrw txt ds hv tr mnng (Even though the Hebrew text does have true meaning). Back then it was out of respect and reverence.

Today, there is no reverence to God and His order. I see it as the same as the X in Christmas (Xmas). Although the origin of the X is Latin and does stand for Christ in Latin, in this day and time, the X is just that,
X-ing Christ out of Christmas. This world and its people do not want to be reminded that God is still alive and running things.

Am I making sense with all of this....:lol:

Yes, you made alot of sense and you are so right!
 
God has many names throughout the Bible, "Yahweh", "Jehovah", "I AM", etc. Did you know His name is also "Jealous?" Exodus 34:14.:yep: I believe as long as we speak His name whichever we use in love and reverence, we're doing ok.:yep:

Yes, and like Shimmie said, the "key" is reverence.
 
You are welcome. That article was a good reminder for me as well because I too use Jehovah Jireh, Jehovah Shalom.
My 'babies' grew up with this. While others were running and cussing in the streets, my babies learned who God is in their lives.

Jehovah Jireh, Our Provider; Jehovah Shalom, Our God of Peace...

Jehovah Rapha .... Our Healer
Jehovah Nissi... The God who fights our battles
Jehovah Shammah...He's Already there...
Eloheim (sp?) Lord God All Mighty
Adonai...We worship Him...

There is no other God... :heart2:

ETA: I just noticed that this is post #5500 for me. The spiritual meaning for number 5 stands for 'Grace'...God has given us His double Grace. Praise Him!
 
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The tradition of using G-d is Jewish and the idea that it is used to minimize G-d in any way is absolutely false. I also don't believe that most non-Jews who adopt this minhag are doing so to reduce Gd. But no one asked Gentiles to use it in the first place. As to the matters about Hebrew and what G-d's name is or isn't: No comment.
 
The tradition of using G-d is Jewish and the idea that it is used to minimize G-d in any way is absolutely false. I also don't believe that most non-Jews who adopt this minhag are doing so to reduce Gd. But no one asked Gentiles to use it in the first place.[/B] As to the matters about Hebrew and what G-d's name is or isn't: No comment.


As you mentioned, it is tradition to do this which means God didn't ask the Jews to do this either, right? Why did the tradition start?
 
The tradition of using G-d is Jewish and the idea that it is used to minimize G-d in any way is absolutely false. I also don't believe that most non-Jews who adopt this minhag are doing so to reduce Gd. But no one asked Gentiles to use it in the first place. As to the matters about Hebrew and what G-d's name is or isn't: No comment.
Cichelle, I apologize if my post appears to directed for the Jewish interpretations. It is not intended as such. I can say this for each of us who have posted here.

We are speaking from the 'world's' standard. None of us were speaking against the Jewish (Hebrew) traditions.

It's the world (outside of all Faiths) as we 'all' know it to be, who excludes God and His existance.

Again, I apologize for offending you. Please take care ... :giveheart:
 
Cichelle, I apologize if my post appears to directed for the Jewish interpretations. It is not intended as such. I can say this for each of us who have posted here.

We are speaking from the 'world's' standard. None of us were speaking against the Jewish (Hebrew) traditions.

It's the world (outside of all Faiths) as we 'all' know it to be, who excludes God and His existance.

Again, I apologize for offending you. Please take care ... :giveheart:

You know what, Shimmie? I actually really appreciate this. Thank you.
 
As you mentioned, it is tradition to do this which means God didn't ask the Jews to do this either, right? Why did the tradition start?

Where did you get the idea that tradition = G-d not asking for something?

I'm not going to discuss in detail Jewish halacha and minhagim here, since this is the Christianity forum. The short answer (and probably adequate for your purposes) has been given here before. If you want a fuller explanation, you can send me a pm.

Blessings...
 
You know what, Shimmie? I actually really appreciate this. Thank you.
Whether we share the same faith or not, we're still 'sisters' in one form or another. All of us here.

I'm tired of fighting. What's the point? Whether we agree or disagree on topics or issues, it doesn't have to be a fight or bring hatred or divisions.

That's not Gd's, G_d's, God's plan. No matter what we think, it's not His plan to divide.

One name we can all agree on is Shalom... Peace. That's truly what I wish for everyone. :heart2:
 
Whether we share the same faith or not, we're still 'sisters' in one form or another. All of us here.

I'm tired of fighting. What's the point? Whether we agree or disagree on topics or issues, it doesn't have to be a fight or bring hatred or divisions.

That's not Gd's, G_d's, God's plan. No matter what we think, it's not His plan to divide.

One name we can all agree on is Shalom... Peace. That's truly what I wish for everyone. :heart2:

I agree. Thank you, Shimmie for sharing this. This too is where my heart is.

Blessings.
 
I was taught that the ancient Jews thought it was wrong to speak God's name. His name was too worderful to say out loud. I may be wrong. If so, please enlighten me.
 
I was taught that the ancient Jews thought it was wrong to speak God's name. His name was too worderful to say out loud. I may be wrong. If so, please enlighten me.
I, among many Christians have been taught this also and have touched upon it in many of our studies. His name is indeed too wonderful to say out loud.

Yet we, as Christians, have this GRACE given to us by Jesus, to speak not only His name, but to call God, our Abba Father. :heart2:

Bless the Lord, Oh my soul and all that is within me, bless His Holy Name. Amen.
 
I was taught that the ancient Jews thought it was wrong to speak God's name. His name was too worderful to say out loud. I may be wrong. If so, please enlighten me.

Actually, from ancient writings, it appears it was said often. But it depends on what time period you are referring to when you use the word ancient. The reason saying the Name fell out of custom and was eventually prohibited is most likely not what you state here (at least not directly), though the sentiment could have very well been similar.
 
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