what do you think about this article?

[Geminigirl]

is too much condtioner wrong(co washing)?
is it wrong that I haven't been to the beauty shop in months to get a trim? I know I am long overdue?

what do ya'll think about this article?

http://lifestyle.msn.com/beautyandf.../article.aspx?cp-documentid=8621949&GT1=32002

 

[RegaLady]

I saw alot of things, according to this article, I was doing wrong. But, who cares, if it is working, than something is right!

 

[Geminigirl]

yea your right. I see lots of ladies on here who co wash and barely get trims they brush and all of that and their hair is beautiful. I agree if it works for you then do it.

 

[Nonie]

I kinda do most of the things it says we should do.

1. I don't wash everyday, although I have been known to dunk my head in ACV solution every morning when I was in twists, so I guess I sorta flunk that one.
2. I dust my hair regularly. If I don't, my ends get so thin and break off anyway. I retain more hair by dusting regularly, so I pass this one.
3. I don't know if I use a lot of conditioner but I do avoid the areas closest to my scalp (Go me!). I do use shampoo though and no leave-ins so I've never had a problem with build-up. I don't even think I've ever needed to clarify. So maybe I don't use a lot or maybe they don't know my hair. Maybe I get half a point here? LOL
4. I don't use blow-dryers to dry my hair and I don't press or curl my hair. So I pass this one.
5. I LOVE my hair texture. I never fight it. So I pass!
6. I don't use styling products when in braids and when out of them, I believe I've found the right one for my hair--even though I'm the judge and jury on that --so I say I pass on this one.
7. Less is more is always my motto, so again I'm in agreement--pass!
8. Only ouchless elastic ever used here. Haven't worn a pony puff that could be made with an elastic in a long time though. So I pass this one too.
9. I flunk this one. Braid, braids, braids is how I rock and have been doing since time immemorial. So shoot me!
10. I never brush my hair at all. Pass!
11. I pay close attention to my scalp noting any unusual sensations and taking steps to find out why the change. I have an obsession with keeping my scalp clean. Pass!
12. I haven't bothered my gray hairs. They live happily on my head w/ the black ones. Pass.

Looks like I got 9 1/2 out of 12.

 

[Energist]

I just saw this on my homepage and I think that they do not have Black hair in mind as far as the conditioning. A lot applies for everyone, but for the most part it does not apply to my hair needs conditioning wise.

 

[lilsparkle825]

i only agree with like 2 or 3 of these. the rest are baloney. this article is clearly written for the other white meat.

1. not applicable to cowashing; i get the feeling that they are talking to people who shampoo every day with a product containing SLS.
2. come on now stop using all that heat and baby your ends. no splits i promise. ok, maybe one or two but thats it. can someone explain to me what overgrown hair is btw?
3. wth? shampoo or clarify to get rid of the residue...duh
4. i agree except for where it says "chances are you blow dry your hair at least once a day for several minutes." uh, no. LOL
5. plenty of people with relaxers do braidouts/twistouts/rollersets to get curly hair, and naturals flat iron. just use some sabino MB.
6. i style my "thick coarse curly hair" with gel all the time...i just do it when its wet. sounds like they are saying stick with pantene r&n or motions...LOL
7. i KNOW i'm heavy handed so i cant speak.
8. use a cut-up knee high!
9. ok now i only agree with this if you are rocking a mullet. there are people here who wear braids every day or who bun every day.
10. ok, most of us dont even own brushes...and if we do they are for detangling. lol
11. i agree that "treating it well can be as simple as giving it a little extra massage every time you wash your hair to stimulate it." i had dandruff till i started cowashing 3-4x a week.
12. uhm...i dont have any of those.

 

[chichibean]

I just saw this on my homepage and I think that they do not have Black hair in mind as far as the conditioning. A lot applies for everyone, but for the most part it does not apply to my hair needs conditioning wise.

That's exactly what I thought! I don't think they are speaking with black people in mind. And our hair is very different... not to mention the fact that every individual person has different needs. So I say... do what works for you.

 

[MizzBrown]

I am so sick and tired of white stylists from these "prestigious" salons like John Frieda, Nexxus, Aveda and so forth writing up articles and saying that their rules apply to all hair types.

Article has nothing to do with us and our hair type.

 

[Geminigirl]

^^^^^ agreed

 

[GoldenBreeze]

I totally agree that the conditioner rule does not apply to type 3 or 4 hair. It is very frustrating when going into a beauty supply store and the stylist/sales clerk tells me "oh you only need a pea to a quarter size amount of this conditioner".

I was in Pure Beauty the other day looking at large bottles of several conditioners (Pureology, Kenra, Nexus), and trying to decide which one would be the better value for me. Of course, the stylist comes over to ask if she could assist me, and I casually say that I'm just trying to decide which conditioner I wish to purchase. She proceeds to tell me that Pureology is really good, because you only need a dime sized amount. I laughed. She says, "No, I'm serious it's that good." I took the tester and put a dime size amount in my hand, then took two of my twists and rubbed the conditioner through several times until it disappeared. I looked at her and asked, "What am I supposed to do about the rest of my hair?" Her mouth dropped open, she turned red, and said, "My goodness! I really learned something today." I smiled at her, but I was thinking

 

[JustKiya]

I totally agree that the conditioner rule does not apply to type 3 or 4 hair. It is very frustrating when going into a beauty supply store and the stylist/sales clerk tells me "oh you only need a pea to a quarter size amount of this conditioner".

I was in Pure Beauty the other day looking at large bottles of several conditioners (Pureology, Kenra, Nexus), and trying to decide which one would be the better value for me. Of course, the stylist comes over to ask if she could assist me, and I casually say that I'm just trying to decide which conditioner I wish to purchase. She proceeds to tell me that Pureology is really good, because you only need a dime sized amount. I laughed. She says, "No, I'm serious it's that good." I took the tester and put a dime size amount in my hand, then took two of my twists and rubbed the conditioner through several times until it disappeared. I looked at her and asked, "What am I supposed to do about the rest of my hair?" Her mouth dropped open, she turned red, and said, "My goodness! I really learned something today." I smiled at her, but I was thinking

Good for you for educating her!!!! The gods know, it might be the closest she's ever been to natural black hair in her life. At least she'll know better than to repeat such foolishness.

As far as the article:

1) I totally agree. Using shampoo daily is a bad idea.
2) I partially agree. If you abuse your hair, you will have splits that need to be trimmed regularly. If you don't, you don't need to. Trim when your hair needs it, not when the calendar says it's time.
3) Is partially right/I partially agree. The buildup isn't from using too MUCH con, it's from not clarifying. If you clarify regularly, you can use an entire bottle of con a day, if you wanted to.
4) Totally agree. Doing less of this will most likely cut down on the need for #2, as well.
5) A-freaking-men.
6) True, true.
7) True, True.
8) Yes, indeedly.
9) Pssh. Depends on the person. If I still look GOOD, I don't care.
10) Clearly.
11) Yes.
12) Seriously? People do that? Ouch!

So, overall, I actually agree with the article - for all hair types - in general. The specifics are going to most likely be wrong for most people, of most hair types - not everyone is going to be doing all of those things, using all those products, or using those particular amounts.

It's a good guideline, but as always, your own head trumps all "rules".

 

[Filmatic]

I totally agree that the conditioner rule does not apply to type 3 or 4 hair. It is very frustrating when going into a beauty supply store and the stylist/sales clerk tells me "oh you only need a pea to a quarter size amount of this conditioner".

I was in Pure Beauty the other day looking at large bottles of several conditioners (Pureology, Kenra, Nexus), and trying to decide which one would be the better value for me. Of course, the stylist comes over to ask if she could assist me, and I casually say that I'm just trying to decide which conditioner I wish to purchase. She proceeds to tell me that Pureology is really good, because you only need a dime sized amount. I laughed. She says, "No, I'm serious it's that good." I took the tester and put a dime size amount in my hand, then took two of my twists and rubbed the conditioner through several times until it disappeared. I looked at her and asked, "What am I supposed to do about the rest of my hair?" Her mouth dropped open, she turned red, and said, "My goodness! I really learned something today." I smiled at her, but I was thinking

Lol, hopefully she tells her stylist friends so they can know too. I still don't understand how yt can use a dime size. Their heads are just as big if not bigger than some of ours. I know our hair is thicker, but even without that considered, how can a dime size stretch across a whole head of hair. I just don't get it.

 

[MizzBrown]

Lol, hopefully she tells her stylist friends so they can know too. I still don't understand how yt can use a dime size. Their heads are just as big if not bigger than some of ours. I know our hair is thicker, but even without that considered, how can a dime size stretch across a whole head of hair. I just don't get it.

I never really acknowledge that part of the label. I use A LOT of conditioner. IMO you can never have enough.

I tried using a quarter sized leave-in like some of yall suggested and that didnt work either. It has to cover my hair and my ends. I use about 3 good squirts myself.

 

[JustKiya]

Lol, hopefully she tells her stylist friends so they can know too. I still don't understand how yt can use a dime size. Their heads are just as big if not bigger than some of ours. I know our hair is thicker, but even without that considered, how can a dime size stretch across a whole head of hair. I just don't get it.

I've never gotten it either. I mean, okay, if you have a layered pixie cut, okay, yeah. But, I'm sorry - anything longer than ear length needs more than a 'quarter' sized amount.

Though, I always wondered how 'tall' their quarters were, because I can have a lump of conditioner that has a quarter sized based, but is about 10-15 quarters stacked on top of each other high.

Also, though, my relaxed hair took a LOT less product than my natural hair does - my locs took less product than my loose hair does, too.

 

[GoldenBreeze]

Good for you for educating her!!!! The gods know, it might be the closest she's ever been to natural black hair in her life. At least she'll know better than to repeat such foolishness.

LOL, nothing beats an education.

Yep, I agree much of the article is a good baseline, and your individual hair has to be your guide.

Lol, hopefully she tells her stylist friends so they can know too. I still don't understand how yt can use a dime size. Their heads are just as big if not bigger than some of ours. I know our hair is thicker, but even without that considered, how can a dime size stretch across a whole head of hair. I just don't get it.

Girl, I hope so. Maybe there will come a day when we can just go into any salon, and no that our hair will be well taken care of.

........... no wait, let me wake up from that dream.

 

[amara11]

I just saw this on my homepage and I think that they do not have Black hair in mind as far as the conditioning. A lot applies for everyone, but for the most part it does not apply to my hair needs conditioning wise.

I was about to say that- I saw this on my msn homepage too and I kinda laughed- bcuz everything they say we shouldn't do- I almost HAVE to do- my hair thrives on it. I definitely don't think they were talking about black women's hair for some of those!


btw- BEAUTIFUL hair Energist!

 

[CurlyMoo]

Interesting article. I agree with some of what she says and disagree with others:

1. Washing your hair every day—or more.
While we’re not advocating the greasy grunge look circa 1992, it can be good for your hair to get a break from daily washing, drying and styling. If you color your hair, skipping the shampoo on occasion will help your shade stay rich longer since the sulfates in many shampoos fade away color. And for all but the oiliest heads, daily (or even twice daily if you hit the gym) washing can strip away too much of your natural oil, leaving hair dry, brittle and more susceptible to breakage. Try every-other-day washing, and if the roots look a little greasy on day two, sprinkle on some dry shampoo or hair powder and brush it out thoroughly. CM-I agree with giving your hair and yourself a break on this one. There are plenty of shampoos without the sulfates though.

2. Not getting regular haircuts.
If you’re trying to grow your hair out of a style you no longer like (or just desperately wanting to add inches to your strands), you might be tempted to avoid your stylist’s scissors for months on end. But you’re really not doing your hair any favors. Not only will you wind up with so many split ends that you will need to lose several precious inches anyway, but your hair will quickly start to look obviously overgrown. “Your hair can look good at every stage of transition between styles or while waiting for your bangs to grow out,” says Cohen. “By continuing to get trims, your hair will look fuller and healthier, and you’ll never have that ‘I’m growing my hair out’ look.” CM-Disagree heavily, this goes with the fable, "trimming will make your hair grow" but it never really says why it will. Trimming is only for maintaining a style or length and getting rid of damaged ends. If you are using low heat and trim once or twice a year you should have minimal problems with split ends. Split ends just don't show up for no reason, you have to be doing something to dry the hair to the point that it splits at the end or somewhere along the hair shaft.

 

[CurlyMoo]

3. Using too much conditioner.
It makes sense that fine hair will get weighed down by excessive conditioner, but even dry, coarse hair may not need as much as you think. “If you routinely use too much, the product can build up on your hair and leave a residue that makes hair appear dull and lifeless,” says Cohen. Try using the lightest formula your hair can handle (a detangling rinse is perfect for normal to fine hair), and doing an occasional deep treatment if hair needs it. And when you apply your conditioner, skip the areas closest to the scalp and concentrate the product more toward the ends of the hair. CM-Neutral, I agree and disagree with one. I agree the using too much of a LEAVE-IN Conditioner will make the hair look dull and lifeless. make thIt depends on the hair and how it is being treated and the conditioner you are using. IMO, if you use a gentle cleansing shampoo it should help reduce buildup. I also agree that the ends need extra attention moreso than the roots.

4. Overheating your hair.
Chances are you blow dry your hair at least once a day for several minutes. And you might even follow that up with more hot stuff—like a curling or straightening iron. So it’s no wonder that your hair looks a little fried. “You might literally be burning your hair,” says Cohen. To protect it, she recommends using a product specifically made to protect hair from heat—it will help seal up the cuticle to keep the heat from damaging the strand. And ditch any brushes that have metal paddles or bristles—they will heat up as you blow dry and can singe fragile locks. CM-I completely agree. Too much heat is good for no one. If you "must" use heat everyday maybe give yourself a break on your off days. I don't use any brush so less breakage for me.

 

[CurlyMoo]

5. Fighting your hair’s natural texture.
There’s nothing technically wrong with trying to curl your straight hair or straighten your curly hair. But just know that you’re setting yourself up for spending a lot of time and energy—and possibly frustration—to achieve your desired style. And sometimes, all that effort may be for naught. If it’s a humid day, you are much better off letting your hair remain in its natural state—because the second you walk outside, it’s going to revert back to it anyway! CM-Agree

 

[Simply_Kelz]

My response to this whole article:



Anywho ..

 

[MizAvalon]

I totally agree that the conditioner rule does not apply to type 3 or 4 hair. It is very frustrating when going into a beauty supply store and the stylist/sales clerk tells me "oh you only need a pea to a quarter size amount of this conditioner".

I was in Pure Beauty the other day looking at large bottles of several conditioners (Pureology, Kenra, Nexus), and trying to decide which one would be the better value for me. Of course, the stylist comes over to ask if she could assist me, and I casually say that I'm just trying to decide which conditioner I wish to purchase. She proceeds to tell me that Pureology is really good, because you only need a dime sized amount. I laughed. She says, "No, I'm serious it's that good." I took the tester and put a dime size amount in my hand, then took two of my twists and rubbed the conditioner through several times until it disappeared. I looked at her and asked, "What am I supposed to do about the rest of my hair?" Her mouth dropped open, she turned red, and said, "My goodness! I really learned something today." I smiled at her, but I was thinking

That was a great thing you did! I hope she learned a lesson. These stupid rules do not apply to everyone! When will these stylists and salespeople get that?

 

[GoldenBreeze]

That was a great thing you did! I hope she learned a lesson. These stupid rules do not apply to everyone! When will these stylists and salespeople get that?

I hope so to. She did seem sincere; embarrassed but sincere.

 

[Lucky's Mom]

I just saw this on my homepage and I think that they do not have Black hair in mind as far as the conditioning. A lot applies for everyone, but for the most part it does not apply to my hair needs conditioning wise.

I agree - most times hair articles can be a bit skewed.
Nevertheless.........some of the ideas are good ones....

 

[MonPetite]

I am so sick and tired of white stylists from these "prestigious" salons like John Frieda, Nexxus, Aveda and so forth writing up articles and saying that their rules apply to all hair types.

Article has nothing to do with us and our hair type.

I agree.

While I don't like that many stylists go to the other extreme and act as though our hair relaxed or natural is some digusting, confusing, incomprehensible beast...there ARE some key differences and ignoring them is disastrous for those of the 3b and below set.