This is NOT the will of God

[nathansgirl1908]

I attended the funeral of a young woman who was tragically killed recently. During her service, the minister said something that really made every get EXTREMELY quiet. I could tell that they were pondering it. I was too.

He said that while people go around telling people who are grieving the loss of a loved one that," this was God's will," he said this is not theologically sound. He said when tragedy takes the life of someone so young with so much promise, that it is NOT the will of God because we are promised 70 + 10 years on this Earth.

What do you all think about that? I had actually been pondering something along those lines as I was driving to the church for the service.

 

[dlewis]

I totally agree with him.

 

[msdeevee]

EXACTLY!!!

People are always saying that God is love which is true but would a loving God cut someone down in their youth or really at any other time in such a tragic, painful way?

The Bible says at Eccl. 9:11 in part that "time and unforeseen occurrence befall us all" meaning that anything can happen to any of us at anytime.

God doesn't kill babies or anyone because he needs another angel . The almighty God can create an angel if he needs one .

God's will is that all of us turn around and achieve everlasting life.

 

[Makenzie]

EXACTLY!!!

People are always saying that God is love which is true but would a loving God cut someone down in their youth or really at any other time in such a tragic, painful way?

The Bible says at Eccl. 9:11 in part that "time and unforeseen occurrence befall us all" meaning that anything can happen to any of us at anytime.

God doesn't kill babies or anyone because he needs another angel . The almighty God can create an angel if he needs one .

Very true!

And what loving God allows someone to die a painful death just to get another angel? I hate hear people say that. Never made any sense.

 

[Laela]

He's right. God is a God of free will, if someone chooses to live like a bat out of hell, never take care of their health, take extremes risks with their life and limb and die...it's their choice. God's will is for us to live and prosper and be in good health, never to harm us. (Jeremiah 29:11)

It's also ironic when someone gets upset at God or question Him when they're faced with the consequences of their own actions - things done outside of His Will. Both are one and the same...

I attended the funeral of a young woman who was tragically killed recently. During her service, the minister said something that really made every get EXTREMELY quiet. I could tell that they were pondering it. I was too.

He said that while people go around telling people who are grieving the loss of a loved one that," this was God's will," he said this is not theologically sound. He said when tragedy takes the life of someone so young with so much promise, that it is NOT the will of God because we are promised 70 + 10 years on this Earth.

What do you all think about that? I had actually been pondering something along those lines as I was driving to the church for the service.

 

[Guitarhero]

Ecclesiastes 3

1There is a time for everything,

and a season for every activity under heaven:

2a time to be born and a time to die,

a time to plant and a time to uproot,

3a time to kill and a time to heal,

a time to tear down and a time to build,

4a time to weep and a time to laugh,

a time to mourn and a time to dance,

...
9What does the worker gain from his toil? 10I have seen the burden God has laid on men. 11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end. 12I know that there is nothing better for men than to be happy and do good while they live. 13That everyone may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all his toil—this is the gift of God. 14I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that men will revere him.

...
18I also thought, “As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. 19Man’s fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breathb; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. 20All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animalc goes down into the earth?”

22So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?


For me, it's all summed up in the above passage. We're all connected to each other, men, animals, plants, rocks, minerals...all connected. It makes me ask if Jesus' death through capital punishment was necessary or could there have been another appointed way until a certain point. One thing I do know, tragedy happens all around us and it hurts survivors worse than natural death. We're no higher than the animals...and they are shredded on the regular by prey. It is something to think about...

 

[Poohbear]

Psalms 90:10 says "The days of our years are threescore years and ten (70 years); and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years (80 years), yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away."

God does not necessarily cause everything to happen... God's will must permit or allow whatever happens to happen. There are different sources of evil... our sin, other's sin, natural disasters, and unnatural disasters. These sources is what causes things to happen. God just ordains everything that comes to pass. There is nothing that happens that is outside of God’s sovereign will or beyond His control. When people say "it was God's will that he/she died", they make it like God wanted it to happen and that simply is not true.

 

[Guitarhero]

He's right. God is a God of free will, if someone chooses to live like a bat out of hell, never take care of their health, take extremes risks with their life and limb and die...it's their choice. God's will is for us to live and prosper and be in good health, never to harm us. (Jeremiah 29:11)

It's also ironic when someone gets upset at God or question Him when they're faced with the consequences of their own actions - things done outside of His Will. Both are one and the same...

Maybe what is more difficult and perhaps the focus of what the pastor was saying is being the victim of another's sinful actions where you had no guilt. What about children born of congenital diseases that have passed on from generations before? What if some type of mutation were caused by the consumption of certain foods in time of drought...therefore, not being the cause of sin, but circumstance? I dunno...

 

[Shimmie]

Matthew 18:14

Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

It is not the intent nor the will of God that anyone so young would die. However, there is sin in the earth and with sin comes evil, which places human lives at risk. We have an enemy, satan, who seeks out whom he may devour; he who is out to steal, kill and to destroy.

Therefore, it is not God's will but the works of evil that has caused such heartache.

All the more, is why God has sent us Jesus to redeem our souls as it becomes absent from the body to be present with the Lord... for those who 'know' Him. :Rose:

 

[nathansgirl1908]

Thanks for your responses everyone. The young lady was riding with someone who fell asleep at the wheel of the car. The driver survived.