Spin-off: Does Call to Preach Equal Call to Pastor?

[mango387]

I have been thinking about this a lot. Where does the BIBLE say that the call to preach the Gospel is the same thing as being called to pastor a church? I don't think the Bible states that explicitly.

For example, I know of a man who preaches the WORD-Old and New Testament (even obscure books that no one talks about much). He is a great preacher, but he has been less successful as a pastor (Long story). Likewise, I have not read in the Bible scriptures supporting the concept of females heading a church, BUT I also have not read any scripture stating that a woman cannot be called to preach the gospel.

(If someone says the "women should not pray in church" or "women should be silent in church" scriptures, then that means you are limiting preaching to something that should happen in church. John the Baptist preached in the wilderness).

 

[kandake]

I don't think the two have to be one in the same.

I think you can have the gift/anointing in understanding and interpreting God's word enough to effectively relay it to other people without having the wherewithal or spiritual anointing to Shepard a flock.

I think part of the reason we have so many churches on every corner is because someone thought their call to preach/teach meant they needed to start a church.

 

[discobiscuits]

No. The two are not mutually inclusive.

 

[mango387]

I don't think the two have to be one in the same.

I think you can have the gift/anointing in understanding and interpreting God's word enough to effectively relay it to other people without having the wherewithal or spiritual anointing to Shepard a flock.

I think part of the reason we have so many churches on every corner is because someone thought their call to preach/teach meant they needed to start a church.

That's what I am getting at...Really, the gentleman I speaking about is a GREAT husband and father (He's madly in love/dotes on his wife, and that is rare to find these days even in churches). He TRULY loves GOD, and there is no doubt that God has annointed him to preach the gospel. At the same time, however, it's really sad that he has had a lot of difficulty pastoring (To be fair, some members of his past congregations would not ALLOW him to be the best pastor).

 

[PaperClip]

Nope.......

 

[Shimmie]

No Darlin', not 'all' are called to Pastor...God appoints different gifts for the perfecting of the saints.

Here, from Ephesians 4

[FONT=arial,helvatica][SIZE=-1][FONT=arial,helvatica] 1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, Apostles; and some, Prophets; and some, Evangelists; and some, Pastors and Teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvatica][SIZE=-1][FONT=arial,helvatica] [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvatica][SIZE=-1][FONT=arial,helvatica]which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[Aviah]

I have been thinking about this a lot. Where does the BIBLE say that the call to preach the Gospel is the same thing as being called to pastor a church? I don't think the Bible states that explicitly.

For example, I know of a man who preaches the WORD-Old and New Testament (even obscure books that no one talks about much). He is a great preacher, but he has been less successful as a pastor (Long story). Likewise, I have not read in the Bible scriptures supporting the concept of females heading a church, BUT I also have not read any scripture stating that a woman cannot be called to preach the gospel.

(If someone says the "women should not pray in church" or "women should be silent in church" scriptures, then that means you are limiting preaching to something that should happen in church. John the Baptist preached in the wilderness).

Very true @ bold text.
IMHO Preaching is one thing, being able to deliver the word to the people, but a pastor must be able to that, and lead the people. Pastors should be able to talk to people who are going through hard times in the church among other things. but I think the main difference is that the pastor should have a broader sense of leadership than a preacher... if that makes any sense...
HTH

 

[letitgrow0702]

I don't think the two have to be one in the same.

I think you can have the gift/anointing in understanding and interpreting God's word enough to effectively relay it to other people without having the wherewithal or spiritual anointing to Shepard a flock.

I think part of the reason we have so many churches on every corner is because someone thought their call to preach/teach meant they needed to start a church.

I totally agree!

 

[PaperClip]

Very true @ bold text.
IMHO Preaching is one thing, being able to deliver the word to the people, but a pastor must be able to that, and lead the people. Pastors should be able to talk to people who are going through hard times in the church among other things. but I think the main difference is that the pastor should have a broader sense of leadership than a preacher... if that makes any sense...
HTH

Moses STUTTERED....

My point: the Bible has set the model of what a pastor is to be like and what a pastor is supposed to do. JESUS CHRIST was/is the GREAT SHEPHERD. The Lord wants a WILLING, OBEDIENT VESSEL. The Lord wants SERVANTS and SERVANTS make leaders/pastors (those whom He has called to pastor... 'cause you (general) don't want to pastor if the Lord didn't call/appoint you to do it).

It's when man (general) starts putting a whole bunch of stipulations on things that the Bible doesn't even support is when it gets very messy, e.g., women being silent in the church.

I am THOROUGHLY convinced and FULLY persuaded that if the Lord would use a donkey, a rock, surely He would use me, one made in His OWN IMAGE: woman... a man with a WOMB I heard one teacher put it.