I love phony buns especially the deep ones because I can baggy underneath, I have been wearing them for the past 2mths along with my UPA clip and half wigs I am going to buy 2 more when I get a chance to get to the BSS. I use aloe vera gel and hicks smooth edges to smooth back my hair without making it hard. If I have a fresh relaxer then I can use scurl by itself and tie down with a scarf