Ovation Cell Therapy/Mega-Tek Challenge

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sebring26 said:
I ordered the Mega-tek coat rebuilder instead of the Mega tek cell rebuilder. Based on the ingredient list for ovation, the coat rebuilder and ovation are identical. It came in a 2 oz container. Has anyone used the coat rebuilder instead of the cell rebuilder?
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Pulling up a post from way back on page 68.
Who is useing the Megatek Cell Rebuilder
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And who is using the Megatek Coat Rebuilder?
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I did a little research. The blue writing Cell Rebuilder seems to be marketed to horses. The pink writing Coat Rebuilder seems to be marketed to dogs and other small animals. Both are on the EGyss website and are different prices. Both say they can be used on humans. I can't seem to find the ingredients for the Coat Rebuilder (sebring26, can you help with this?) I wonder how the results from the products differ.

Lys
 
I'm using the cell rebuilder. I'd be interested in knowing the difference in ingredients as well - I would assume that the coat rebuilder would be more 'watered down' since its being used on smaller animals.

Personally, I prefer using horse products, because horses are bigger than me, and thus it would be hard (if there was a risk at all) to over-dose on that. Dogs and cats, however, are significantly smaller, and I'd be using a much larger 'serving size' than would be 'expected'.
 
I just ordered the coat rebuilder. I believe one of the ladies said that it helped her hair grow even faster. I'm gonna search somewhere in the posts.
 
JustKiya said:
I'm using the cell rebuilder. I'd be interested in knowing the difference in ingredients as well - I would assume that the coat rebuilder would be more 'watered down' since its being used on smaller animals.

Personally, I prefer using horse products, because horses are bigger than me, and thus it would be hard (if there was a risk at all) to over-dose on that. Dogs and cats, however, are significantly smaller, and I'd be using a much larger 'serving size' than would be 'expected'.
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Or... since horses are larger their bodies can take more. Using a horse-sized dose on a human could be dangerous. :spinning:

I managed to find the ingredients, posting in a sec.

Lys
 
Here are the ingredients. Three products. Three formulations. All supposedly do the same thing. I wonder if the parent company has a secret active ingredient not listed on any of these...

Lys

Megatek cell rebuilder (equine)
Deionized water, hydrolyzed keratin protein, stearalkonium chloride, glyceryl stearate, peg 100 stearate, marine protein, peg 40, panthenal, dimethicone copolyol, magnesium citrate, allantoin, amino acids, methylparaben, mucopoly-saccharides, propylparaben, imidazolidinyl urea, fragrance

Megatek coat rebuilder (pet)
Deionized water, hydrolyzed keratin protein, peptonized milk protein hydrolysate, amino acids, mucopolysaccharides, marine protein, glyceryl stearate PEG, essential silicates bentonite, sea kelp algin, methylparaben, fragrance, propylparaben.

Ovation (human)
Deionized Water, Stearalkonium Chloride, Glyceryl Stearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG-40 Castor Oil, Cetrimonium Chloride, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Panthenol, Tocopheryl Acetate, DM DM Hydantoin, Methlparaben, Propylparaben, Tetrasodium EDTA, Frangrance
 
Shimmie said:
Hi :wave: Lebiya...

I started my 6 oz bottle of the Ovation Cell Therapy Formula in February (Feb 23) and I'm down to about 1/4 of the bottle.

It does last a while and I use it 'A LOT'. Even on my fingernails and sometimes on my eyebrows. :yep:

The 12 oz should last you for a while. The Shampoo and Conditioner I use 2 to 3 times a week so that will last a little longer. :yep:

Don't worry about the cost; the results are priceless and well worth every nickle, dime and penny and dollar you've spent.

Happy Hair Blessings to you...
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This is Great!!!- thanks for saying that:grin::grin::grin:


…Girl I’m keeping my fingers crossed- I believe in ya’ll soo much so I have faith ; )


Happy hair Growing : )
 
MissAlyssa said:
Here are the ingredients. Three products. Three formulations. All supposedly do the same thing. I wonder if the parent company has a secret active ingredient not listed on any of these...

Lys

Megatek cell rebuilder (equine)
Deionized water, hydrolyzed keratin protein, stearalkonium chloride, glyceryl stearate, peg 100 stearate, marine protein, peg 40, panthenal, dimethicone copolyol, magnesium citrate, allantoin, amino acids, methylparaben, mucopoly-saccharides, propylparaben, imidazolidinyl urea, fragrance

Megatek coat rebuilder (pet)
Deionized water, hydrolyzed keratin protein, peptonized milk protein hydrolysate, amino acids, mucopolysaccharides, marine protein, glyceryl stearate PEG, essential silicates bentonite, sea kelp algin, methylparaben, fragrance, propylparaben.

Ovation (human)
Deionized Water, Stearalkonium Chloride, Glyceryl Stearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG-40 Castor Oil, Cetrimonium Chloride, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Panthenol, Tocopheryl Acetate, DM DM Hydantoin, Methlparaben, Propylparaben, Tetrasodium EDTA, Frangrance
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:nono: Insane. I don't know - there's gotta be SOMETHING going on. ;)
 
Reposting previous research (these things get lost easily):

JustKiya said:
The rebuilder is missing DM DM Hydantoin, Cetrimonium Chloride, Tocopheryl Acetate, the castor oil in the peg 40, and Tetrasodium EDTA.

I can for SURE mix some Castor Oil and Vitamin E Oil (Tocopheryl Acetate) into the Rebuilder.

The DM DM Hydantoin is a preservative, that the imidazolidinyl urea replaces. The Cetrimonium Chloride is an anti-static agent (most likely leaves your hair feeling softer and smoother) but it doesn't really seem to be involved in accelerating growth. The Tetrasodium EDTA is a chelating agent - so that's more about the hair 'feel' than about any additional growth.

It makes sense that they would take out the 'make my hair feel good' stuff from the 'animal' version - they tend to not have paw in hair disease, ya know?
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JustKiya said:
Hah! I missed that one - Cetearyl Alcohol is an fatty alcohol used as an emollient, emulsifier, thickener, and carrying agent for other ingredients. Can be derived naturally, as in coconut fatty alcohol, or synthetically.
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JustKiya said:
So, it just changes the 'feel' of the mixture - doesn't really DO much.
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There are 5 ingredients in common between the three. Taking out water, parabens, and fragrence, leaves hydrolyzed keratin protein & glyceryl stearate. Now to see what these are for...

Lys
 
MissAlyssa said:
Here are the ingredients. Three products. Three formulations. All supposedly do the same thing. I wonder if the parent company has a secret active ingredient not listed on any of these...

Lys

Megatek cell rebuilder (equine)
Deionized water, hydrolyzed keratin protein, stearalkonium chloride, glyceryl stearate, peg 100 stearate, marine protein, peg 40, panthenal, dimethicone copolyol, magnesium citrate, allantoin, amino acids, methylparaben, mucopoly-saccharides, propylparaben, imidazolidinyl urea, fragrance

Megatek coat rebuilder (pet)
Deionized water, hydrolyzed keratin protein, peptonized milk protein hydrolysate, amino acids, mucopolysaccharides, marine protein, glyceryl stearate PEG, essential silicates bentonite, sea kelp algin, methylparaben, fragrance, propylparaben.

Ovation (human)
Deionized Water, Stearalkonium Chloride, Glyceryl Stearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG-40 Castor Oil, Cetrimonium Chloride, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Panthenol, Tocopheryl Acetate, DM DM Hydantoin, Methlparaben, Propylparaben, Tetrasodium EDTA, Frangrance
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Not saying this at you MissAlyssa, but in general

The ingredients being listed comparing products between the Mega Tek and Ovation really isn't helping in determining which product is most effective. I understand though that being a 1000+ post thread some folks are going to miss it so that's understandable.

Granted from looking at the ingredients Mega Tek looks like the winner, but my question and what we need to find out to make more of an informed decision rather than ingredient posting and comparing is to find out the quantity per 12oz or however they sell it of the main growth ingredient, the hydrolyzed Keratin Protein each one contains.

Now whether it's a lie or fact to make up for the $60 for OCT compared to $20 odd for the MT, does the OCT really have double the amount of aminos than MT or is it literally the same packaged all fancy and an extra $30 to cover for the marketing of the product (as put to me by Greg).

I think as a ton of women have really lined the pockets of this company. Just think 10 orders for them alone is $600 and I know they've made thousands off us as have other companies purchasing Eqyss products. Don't you think that it will be a bigger boost for the Ovation big wigs to really lay it out there and provide some more info in the comparable ingredients. I'll tell them this much if they can prove there are double the aminos then I'll happily pay for the OCT and I'm alredy getting great results with the MT. But if this is a cost cover for a fancy website then I'm alright thanks.

Now ladies, I'm not trying to start a war with these companies, I'm glad we may have found our Holy Grail of hair products that smells good and does what it say on the bottle, to the point where PJ'ism may become a thing of the past but I'm at a point of 6+ years of getting knowledgeable about hair care to finally put my foot down keep my debit card in the purse as much as possible and say **leans over desk toward the OCT CEO clutching her Blackberry 8800g, ready to knock him out Naomi Campbell style and points** "alright mister you want $60 of my hard earned cash and repeat business until I'm able to have hair so long I can wash my butt with it, prove to me why I should choose your product over that one there!" **points to Mega Tek in the Hollywood style, lawyer in courtroom pointing at the accused**
Black hair care is a billion dollar industry, they need to remember that. And we're one forum of many I bet the BHM site is using this stuff too as well as the non-black forums too.

**LD looks at the silent crowd and steps of her golden soapbox with the help of a minder as she's wearing 5 inch Stuart Weitzmans in black patent leather and totters off into the sunset, hearing a faint applause from onlyTT8 shouting 'Ovacion Ovacion'. The other Ovation and Mega Tek Girls look bewildered and wonder if LD is taking this too far**


 
I think the Marine Protein is important for growth too! I noticed that Viviscal touts a marine protein or collagen as it's main growth ingredient -- supposedly from cold water swedish fish or something.
 
LondonDiva said:
Not saying this at you MissAlyssa, but in general

The ingredients being listed comparing products between the Mega Tek and Ovation really isn't helping in determining which product is most effective. I understand though that being a 1000+ post thread some folks are going to miss it so that's understandable.

Granted from looking at the ingredients Mega Tek looks like the winner, but my question and what we need to find out to make more of an informed decision rather than ingredient posting and comparing is to find out the quantity per 12oz or however they sell it of the main growth ingredient, the hydrolyzed Keratin Protein each one contains.
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I was originally trying to see if there was a difference between the coat rebuilder and the cell rebuilder. Some websites advertise the cell builder but have a picture of the coat rebuilder. Or the site would have the coat rebuilder and you click on [more info] and now you're looking at the cell rebuilder. Very confusing.

My question is... how can I get my hands on some hydrolyzed keratin protein.:sekret:

Lys
 
MissAlyssa said:
I was originally trying to see if there was a difference between the coat rebuilder and the cell rebuilder. Some websites advertise the cell builder but have a picture of the coat rebuilder. Or the site would have the coat rebuilder and you click on [more info] and now you're looking at the cell rebuilder. Very confusing.

My question is... how can I get my hands on some hydrolyzed keratin protein.:sekret:

Lys
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I really think its the mucopoly-saccharides that are really doing the work. Remember surge, this was their main ingredient. I think the amino acids in conjuction with mucopolysaccharides is what is lighting the growth fire to our scalps.


Mucopolysaccharide is found in connective tissue, skin, bone and cartilage together with proteins from the intercellular cells where collagen and elastin are embedded.

Mucopolysaccharides are substances which form highly viscous solutions having more or less gelatinous or slippery and partially sticky properties. They apparently act as intercellular lubricants.

Mucopolysaccharides also play an important part of normal cell function in intercellular substance transportation in fibrillogenesis and the stabilization of cellular and fibrillar constituents of the connection tissue.

Indications are available showing that mucopolysaccharides influence the quality of the kind of collagen fibril aggregation and that they determine the diameter of the collagen fiber bundle.

Wound healing process involves mucopolysaccharides. During skin and wound healing, their content in the wound area is considerably higher in order to reach again the standard value after healing.

Mucopolysaccharides are said to have a positive influence on skin modification in cellulites and responsible for the elasticity, resilience and the strength of the skin. The dermal mucopolysaccharide content decreases with advancing age; therefore, by replenishment, it would be reasonable to think that the skin would remain stronger and softer longer.
 
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gymfreak336 said:
I really think its the mucopoly-saccharides that are really doing the work. Remember surge, this was their main ingredient. I think the amino acids in conjuction with mucopolysaccharides is what is lighting the growth fire to our scalps.


Mucopolysaccharide is found in connective tissue, skin, bone and cartilage together with proteins from the intercellular cells where collagen and elastin are embedded.

Mucopolysaccharides are substances which form highly viscous solutions having more or less gelatinous or slippery and partially sticky properties. They apparently act as intercellular lubricants.

Mucopolysaccharides also play an important part of normal cell function in intercellular substance transportation in fibrillogenesis and the stabilization of cellular and fibrillar constituents of the connection tissue.

Indications are available showing that mucopolysaccharides influence the quality of the kind of collagen fibril aggregation and that they determine the diameter of the collagen fiber bundle.

Wound healing process involves mucopolysaccharides. During skin and wound healing, their content in the wound area is considerably higher in order to reach again the standard value after healing.

Mucopolysaccharides are said to have a positive influence on skin modification in cellulites and responsible for the elasticity, resilience and the strength of the skin. The dermal mucopolysaccharide content decreases with advancing age; therefore, by replenishment, it would be reasonable to think that the skin would remain stronger and softer longer.
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Right well if that and aminos or Muco-coco-pops however you spell it are the key then "MR BIG WIG OVACION how much *****, how much is in there" **shouts into the bottom of her near empty Mega-Tek bottle**
 
LondonDiva said:
Right well if that and aminos or Muco-coco-pops however you spell it are the key then "MR BIG WIG OVACION how much *****, how much is in there" **shouts into the bottom of her near empty Mega-Tek bottle**
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Foolish! :lachen:.....but seriously though..... How much is in there?
 
gymfreak336 said:
Much appreciated.
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No problem...it's hardly short, but they better not come back to me with that typical customer service response. I'm not a woman to be messed with, I think after all the money and attention that's been given for $60 a pop an answer to some ingredient content would be clarified.

Hello

I am writing to you today as a member of LHCF (Long Hair Care Forum) which to date has over 38,000 members. I'm sure you are aware of the site and the members, as OCT (Ovation Cell Therapy) has been actively discussed and your product purchased as a result of recommendations on the forum, and even to the point of a special discount being created for members from our custom over on the site.

Over a 1000 posts have been made on the board about OCT alone. On numerous occasions, the ingredients of OCT compared to the Eqyss Mega-Tek Rebuilder and Mega-Tek (now discontinued) Hair Rejuvenator have come into conversation. After an ingredient breakdown and researching of the properties of each ingredient, it seems to have come to the conclusion amongst a lot of members that Mega-Tek Cell Rebuilder is more of an efficient product for hair growth especially.

It came to light early on in the discussion that a member was advised that OCT was the now Mega-Tek "human-friendly re-packaged product" for those uncomfortable purchasing and using the Eqyss brand, and that the protein content of the OCT was double that of the Mega-Tek.

So I have taken it upon myself, current valued and potential OCT customers to source an explanation between OCT and the Mega-Tek Rebuilder, and also any proof that you can provide to back up the statement that the protein content is higher than that of OCT, which I think would be warranted, granted over 100% in price difference between the 2 products.

Thank you for your co-operation
I, as do many of the ladies over on the forum at LHCF eagerly anticipate your response.

Kind Regards
Naomi Miller
 
gymfreak336 said:
I really think its the mucopoly-saccharides that are really doing the work. Remember surge, this was their main ingredient. I think the amino acids in conjuction with mucopolysaccharides is what is lighting the growth fire to our scalps.


Mucopolysaccharide is found in connective tissue, skin, bone and cartilage together with proteins from the intercellular cells where collagen and elastin are embedded.

Mucopolysaccharides are substances which form highly viscous solutions having more or less gelatinous or slippery and partially sticky properties. They apparently act as intercellular lubricants.

Mucopolysaccharides also play an important part of normal cell function in intercellular substance transportation in fibrillogenesis and the stabilization of cellular and fibrillar constituents of the connection tissue.

Indications are available showing that mucopolysaccharides influence the quality of the kind of collagen fibril aggregation and that they determine the diameter of the collagen fiber bundle.

Wound healing process involves mucopolysaccharides. During skin and wound healing, their content in the wound area is considerably higher in order to reach again the standard value after healing.

Mucopolysaccharides are said to have a positive influence on skin modification in cellulites and responsible for the elasticity, resilience and the strength of the skin. The dermal mucopolysaccharide content decreases with advancing age; therefore, by replenishment, it would be reasonable to think that the skin would remain stronger and softer longer.
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This is interesting Gym because I ordered the Mega-Tek Hair Rejuvenator last year sometime I think in Aug. or Sept. This is about the time people were having a hard time finding Surge.

I looked up the Surge ingredients which included Mucopolysaccharides. When I typed that into google, the Eqyss came up. So I decided to order the Rejuvenator.

The funny thing is that I used it once or twice. The pjism in me took over and I went onto something else and left the Rejuvenator in the back of my cabinet. My hair could have been bra strap by now. :wallbash:

Anyway here is the information:

"EQyss is the only company that makes grooming products that do not contain ingredients that will coat or damage the hair. Their products also do not contain alcohol or detergents that strip essential nutrients and vital moisture from hair and skin. EQyss products are the only grooming products available that are manufactured with mucopolysaccharides and NaPCA patented ingredients that accelerate the rate of moisture pulled from the air through the hair shaft to the skin of the animal over 100 times the normal rate."

http://www.fox6.com/content/sandieg...ntent_id=d3fa42a1-6413-4a31-b324-67f82cb8cc6d
 
LondonDiva said:
No problem...it's hardly short, but they better not come back to me with that typical customer service response. I'm not a woman to be messed with, I think after all the money and attention that's been given for $60 a pop an answer to some ingredient content would be clarified.

Hello

I am writing to you today as a member of LHCF (Long Hair Care Forum) which to date has over 38,000 members. I'm sure you are aware of the site and the members, as OCT (Ovation Cell Therapy) has been actively discussed and your product purchased as a result of recommendations on the forum, and even to the point of a special discount being created for members from our custom over on the site.

Over a 1000 posts have been made on the board about OCT alone. On numerous occasions, the ingredients of OCT compared to the Eqyss Mega-Tek Rebuilder and Mega-Tek (now discontinued) Hair Rejuvenator have come into conversation. After an ingredient breakdown and researching of the properties of each ingredient, it seems to have come to the conclusion amongst a lot of members that Mega-Tek Cell Rebuilder is more of an efficient product for hair growth especially.

It came to light early on in the discussion that a member was advised that OCT was the now Mega-Tek "human-friendly re-packaged product" for those uncomfortable purchasing and using the Eqyss brand, and that the protein content of the OCT was double that of the Mega-Tek.

So I have taken it upon myself, current valued and potential OCT customers to source an explanation between OCT and the Mega-Tek Rebuilder, and also any proof that you can provide to back up the statement that the protein content is higher than that of OCT, which I think would be warranted, granted over 100% in price difference between the 2 products.

Thank you for your co-operation
I, as do many of the ladies over on the forum at LHCF eagerly anticipate your response.

Kind Regards
Naomi Miller
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Good Idea! Can't wait to hear their response.
 
LondonDiva said:
No problem...it's hardly short, but they better not come back to me with that typical customer service response. I'm not a woman to be messed with, I think after all the money and attention that's been given for $60 a pop an answer to some ingredient content would be clarified.

Hello

I am writing to you today as a member of LHCF (Long Hair Care Forum) which to date has over 38,000 members. I'm sure you are aware of the site and the members, as OCT (Ovation Cell Therapy) has been actively discussed and your product purchased as a result of recommendations on the forum, and even to the point of a special discount being created for members from our custom over on the site.

Over a 1000 posts have been made on the board about OCT alone. On numerous occasions, the ingredients of OCT compared to the Eqyss Mega-Tek Rebuilder and Mega-Tek (now discontinued) Hair Rejuvenator have come into conversation. After an ingredient breakdown and researching of the properties of each ingredient, it seems to have come to the conclusion amongst a lot of members that Mega-Tek Cell Rebuilder is more of an efficient product for hair growth especially.

It came to light early on in the discussion that a member was advised that OCT was the now Mega-Tek "human-friendly re-packaged product" for those uncomfortable purchasing and using the Eqyss brand, and that the protein content of the OCT was double that of the Mega-Tek.

So I have taken it upon myself, current valued and potential OCT customers to source an explanation between OCT and the Mega-Tek Rebuilder, and also any proof that you can provide to back up the statement that the protein content is higher than that of OCT, which I think would be warranted, granted over 100% in price difference between the 2 products.

Thank you for your co-operation
I, as do many of the ladies over on the forum at LHCF eagerly anticipate your response.

Kind Regards
Naomi Miller
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Don't mess with London Diva :grin:. I think you broke it down very well. I'm looking forward to the response you receive.
 
Ovacion Ovacion!!!!! :lachen:

Girl, you know I'll be there cheering for you - I completely agree - IF there are truly DOUBLE the amino acids/mucosaccarides in the Ovation, hell, even my cheap behind would switch over!! :lol: If not though..... :look: Well. You know. :lol:

I can't wait to hear their response!
 
Jetblackhair said:
Don't mess with London Diva :grin:. I think you broke it down very well. I'm looking forward to the response you receive.
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I basically had to write it to let them know I know a lot about the products so they couldn't come back and tell me any fart. I want proof in exchange for $60 and some more hurr.
 
LondonDiva said:
I basically had to write it to let them know I know a lot about the products so they couldn't come back and tell me any fart. I want proof in exchange for $60 and some more hurr.
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Good Goodness this thread is amazing and so entertaining and I haven't even put drop one of the OCT or the MT on my scalp!!

London girl.....you broke it down for them...I mean all the way down....to the nth degree. They are going to have to consult their chemists to make sure they come back on the real. You know we can send samples out to an independant lab for an analysis of the ingredients... That may not be a bad idea.... :scratchch
 
AtlantaJJ said:
Good Goodness this thread is amazing and so entertaining and I haven't even put drop one of the OCT or the MT on my scalp!!

London girl.....you broke it down for them...I mean all the way down....to the nth degree. They are going to have to consult their chemists to make sure they come back on the real. You know we can send samples out to an independant lab for an analysis of the ingredients... That may not be a bad idea.... :scratchch
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Well it's after 2am and I have to be up at 7am but you know as tired as I am I'm off to Mega-Tek :bud:
 
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