Outta' Control - Lying on Jesus

Shimmie

"God is the Only Truth -- Period"
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These poor souls actually believe this convoluted mess....

Jesus never said any of this. :nono:

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Homosexual-Eunuchs.html

They give 'free passage' to sexual sin for anyone.

:nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono::nono:

No wonder folks are sexually confused.

Folks are so determined to rebel against God's Word.

Here's the scripture they've twisted:
Matthew 19:10-12. That passage reads,

His disciples said to him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is not better not to marry.” But he said unto them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given:

For there are eunuchs who were born from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to accept it let him accept it.

----- Matthew 19:10-12



This is what they are not understanding. God is not in this. :nono:
 
The Truth...

http://www.fredsbibletalk.com/eunuchs.html


Is the Word "Eunuch" Really the Bible's Way of Saying Homosexuals?

There are gay "evangelical" apologist who defends the idea that God approves of homosexual relationships, and the Bible, rather than condemning homosexuality, genuinely commends same-sex couples and homosexual behavior.

They will further argue that the current debate against homosexual inclusivity into the Christian church is due in part to bigoted Christians who have mis-read the Bible and have warped Christ's teachings that affirms same-sex relationships.

These apologists will claim they affirm inspiration and biblical authority, however, their apologetic argumentation is heavily dependent upon liberal theology and hermeneutics.

Much of their argumentation is revisional, meaning they re-interpret the Bible, as well as church history, twisting the Bible's teaching on sexuality to include homosexuality. A clever example of what I mean is how gay apologists have re-interpreted the word "eunuch" in Matthew 19:10-12.

That passage reads,

His disciples said to him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is not better not to marry.” But he said unto them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: For there are eunuchs who were born from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to accept it let him accept it. Matthew 19:10-12

According to the gay "evangelical" apologists, Jesus is exempting three groups of people from the Adam and Eve marriage paradigm he just mentioned in 19:4-6 that limits marriage to just one man and one woman. The three groups are,

1) Eunuchs so born from their mother’s womb.

2) Eunuchs made so by men.

3) Eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

They go onto say the term eunouchos did not simply mean someone who was castrated. The eunouchos so born from their mother's womb are men who do not have inherent sexual interest in women and are even repulsed by them sexually. In other words, gay men, and by extension, gay women.

This is the reason male eunuchs were placed in charge of the female royalty, because they would have no sexual interest in them. By saying they are eunuchs "born from their mother's womb," Jesus is exempting gays from the Adam and Eve marriage paradigm of only one man and one woman.

Gay apologists further argue there are historical sources which refer to eunuchs as being homosexuals. Clement of Alexandria, for instance, reveals this perspective of eunuchs most clearly when he writes in his work paedagogus, (The Instructor):

“…a true eunuch is not one who is unable, but one who is unwilling, to indulge in pleasure…” (Paedagogus, III, 4.)

And then The Stromata, or Clement's miscellaneous writings,

“Not all can receive this saying; there are some eunuchs who are so from their birth, others are so of necessity.’ And their explanation of this saying is roughly as follows: Some men from their birth, have a natural sense of repulsion from a woman…” (The Stromata, III. 1.1.)

Considered on its face, the argument looks rather impressive, but does it hold up under any serious scrutiny? I don't believe it does at all.

What exactly is a eunuch?

The Greek word for eunuch is a compound word that means literally "bed holder," or simply put, "a holder of the bed." The historical understanding of a eunuch is a man who had been castrated or had his genitals mutilated in some manner that prevented him from becoming aroused around women. These men were commonly used as guards in royal harems, what would be known as a "bed guardian."

Three of the standard theological and lexical works on the Old and New Testaments: The New International Dictionary of N.T. Theology, Kittel's Theological Dictionary of the N.T., and The International Dictionary of O.T.

Theology and Exegesis, all state the standard, historical understanding of the word eunuch is of a castrated man used as a harem guard. I glanced through a handful of other theological and lexical works and all of them also affirmed the typical understanding of the word.

None of them, including a few other works I consulted, remotely suggested "homosexual" could be an alternative definition. In addition to the idea of a castrated harem guard, the word eunuch did expand in meaning to include high court officials who held prominent positions in a royal court, but may not necessarily be castrated.

Again, none of these works implied the word could be used to describe a person disposed to homosexual persuasion. This is something of a novel, modern invention.
 
What about those historical citations?

Before I even address the citations of Clement of Alexandria, it is important to note that more times than not, external sources to help "define" biblical words, like appealing to quotations from church fathers, may not be particularly helpful.

In the case of Clement of Alexandria, he is nearly 200 years removed from Jesus. We need to ascertain what Jesus meant by His use of the word during His time period and in light of scriptural definitions of "marriage" and "eunuchs" before we make authoritative appeals to some external source who wrote a couple of centuries later.

the Paedagogus (the instructor) and The Stromata (miscellaneous writings). They can be viewed in their entirety here. Both works are divided into multiple books with multiple chapters in each book.

First, concerning the citation from the Paedagogusbook III, chapter 4, Clement is addressing wealthy individuals who employ domestic servants. After giving an extensive list of individual servant staffers, he mentions eunuchs. The entire citation reads:

"Many are eunuchs; and these panders serve without suspicion those that wish to be free to enjoy their pleasures, because of the belief that they are unable to indulge in lust. But a true eunuch is not one who is unable, but one who is unwilling, to indulge in pleasure." Paedagogus, book 3, chapter 4

Clement really says nothing about their sexual orientation. He just says these are individuals who are believed to be unable to indulge in sex, but in reality, a true eunuch is not unable, but merely unwilling to indulge in the pleasure. Nothing is said by Clement as to why the eunuch is unwilling. This could be a vow of celibacy for all we know, and it is dishonest for homosexual revisionists in our modern day to abuse Clement's words in such a manner as to make the Bible say something it isn't saying.

The second citation from The Stromata is even a worse abuse of Clement's words, and in my opinion, dangerously deceptive. The citation reads in its entirety as follows:

The Valentinians, who hold that the union of man and woman is derived from the divine emanation in heaven above, approve of marriage. The followers of Basilides, on the other hand, say that when the apostles asked whether it was not better not to marry, the Lord replied: "Not all can receive this saying; there are some eunuchs who are so from their birth, others are so of necessity." And their explanation of this saying is roughly as follows: Some men, from their birth, have a natural sense of repulsion from a woman; and those who are naturally so constituted do well not to marry. The Stromata, book 3, chapter 1.

The first thing that needs to be pointed out is that Clement is citing the followers of a gnostic heretic by the name of Basilides, who also was from Alexandria. Gay apologists often use these words as if they are Clement's own.

I believe that is beyond the pale of dishonesty to make your readers think the words of a false teacher are the words of a church father. Moreover, nothing in the text, which is a part of Clement's larger discourses on marriage relationships, even hints at homosexuality. Basilides' and his followers said these individuals have a natural repulsion of women and do well not to marry. Again, it is reading a 21st century understanding of homosexuality back into a text that is nearly 1,800 years old and drawing erroneous conclusions.

I say this citation is dangerously deceptive because there are eternal consequences at stake here. It is truly inexcusable to intentionally cite these sources to make them say something they are not saying. In this case, that the word eunuch was understood by Clement of Alexandria to mean a person who doesn't desire women such as the alleged temperament of a male homosexual.

Rather than being shown the grievous error of pursuing this sexual sin, many individuals desperate to justify their homosexuality will be led into destruction, because they latch on to this type of fraudulent research as evidence for justifying their perversion. This is unconscionable in my mind.

So what is Christ meaning when He says, "A eunuch from birth?"

Returning to Christ's words to the disciples in Matthew 19:12, nothing in the context of this first category of eunuchs, "a eunuch from birth," suggests Jesus had in mind natural born homosexual orientation.


Christ had in mind the Jewish understanding of eunuchs as described in Levitical law and through out the Old Testament: those who were born with the physical inability to engage in sexual intercourse. Those inabilities could be more than just sexual impotence, but could very well be crippling deformities like paralysis, Downs, or other mental retardation that prevents a person from participating in being married to a spouse.

Moreover, and most importantly, Jesus could not have in mind homosexuals when he told his disciples there are "eunuchs from birth," because in the larger context of the entire revelation of scripture the participants in marriage are clearly limited to being only one male and one female. There are no other combinations permitted, nor are same-sex relationship, exempted from the divine ordinances established in Genesis for marriage - commands which are reiterated throughout the remainder of the Bible.

To ignore these clear commands, or even worse, reinterpret them according to a new paradigm, demonstrates a desperation to make the Bible affirm the non-affirmable.

Perhaps that is why gay apologists have to appeal to liberal, neo-orthodox hermeneutics and biblical interpretation.

What ever the case, this is still the historical and scriptural revisionism found in the writings of the myriads of heretical false teachers who have troubled the church since its founding in Acts.

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Eunuch = Homosexual now? :nono: A eunuch is a man with missing/deformed genitals. Some homosexuals will find any way to make it seem like homosexuality is okay with God.
 
They go onto say the term eunouchos did not simply mean someone who was castrated. The eunouchos so born from their mother's womb are men who do not have inherent sexual interest in women and are even repulsed by them sexually. In other words, gay men, and by extension, gay women.

A true eunuch is not sexually excitable period. Itching ears, itching ears...
It is written 2 Tim 4:2-4
2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
Eunuch = Homosexual now? :nono: A eunuch is a man with missing/deformed genitals. Some homosexuals will find any way to make it seem like homosexuality is okay with God.

Poohbear

:yep: Yes this is the truth. They are not seeing being gay as a sin, which is what it is. And also as all sin, Jesus paid the price in full for their deliverance from it.

God is not going to change His Word to appease this false theory of theirs.
 
They go onto say the term eunouchos did not simply mean someone who was castrated. The eunouchos so born from their mother's womb are men who do not have inherent sexual interest in women and are even repulsed by them sexually. In other words, gay men, and by extension, gay women.

A true eunuch is not sexually excitable period. Itching ears, itching ears...
It is written 2 Tim 4:2-4
2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

:yep: IN Season and OUT of Season. Awesome Word, Prudent 1.

Speaking God's truth no matter who likes it or not. And this doesn't mean the ggl's -- gay gospel lies. They are not teaching 'sound doctrine.' This is just plain heresy.

And to think, there are many 'educated' people who choose believe this ggl.
 
What really disturbed me was when I saw the Monique Show not too long ago. She had Don Lemon, a gay black man, as a guest. He was expressing his views and Monique was co-signing with him about how nothing is wrong with being gay. Not sure how many people watch the Monique Show but it's sad to see famous black people in support of this abomination.

But when I think about it all, I think it comes from how society condones other sins unconsciously such as fornication. It is broadcast all over television of unmarried people having sex. Nothing is ever seen wrong with it unless someone catches an STD, gets pregnant out of wedlock, or if it involves cheating on a partner. So if gay people see heterosexual people engaging in sinful behavior, they're gonna think "why can't I?"
 
What really disturbed me was when I saw the Monique Show not too long ago. She had Don Lemon, a gay black man, as a guest. He was expressing his views and Monique was co-signing with him about how nothing is wrong with being gay. Not sure how many people watch the Monique Show but it's sad to see famous black people in support of this abomination.

But when I think about it all, I think it comes from how society condones other sins unconsciously such as fornication. It is broadcast all over television of unmarried people having sex. Nothing is ever seen wrong with it unless someone catches an STD, gets pregnant out of wedlock, or if it involves cheating on a partner. So if gay people see heterosexual people engaging in sinful behavior, they're gonna think "why can't I?"

Monique and others like her (in the limelight) are the true definition of homophobia. Their lives depend upon the networks and sponsors to keep their shows on the air. Or to be more honest, to keep them working.

I have yet to see ONE person in the spotlight to renounce the gay lifestyle. What are they afraid of?

I'm not scared so what is their problem?

I'll tell you.

They do not trust God. They have no relationship with God and they are fearful of being cast as anti-gay.

Why on earth would I be afraid of a human being -- gay or straight when I know who God is?

Promotion and Prosperity and PROTECTION doesn't come from the east or the west, it comes from God.
 
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This is heartbreaking indeed. It's unfortunate but things are only going to get worse. My hunch is that Satan is having a good time and laughing.
 
This is weird to me.

I really had to do some quick research for a second because I thought maybe I am missing something.

How do you go from eunuch -> castrated man/woman -> removal genitals to 'Its ok to s3x people with my same genitals'?

That's just reaching on another level. :nono:
 
This is weird to me.

I really had to do some quick research for a second because I thought maybe I am missing something.

How do you go from eunuch -> castrated man/woman -> removal genitals to 'Its ok to s3x people with my same genitals'?

That's just reaching on another level. :nono:

It gets sadder still. They have truly picked the Bible apart and transformed into a homosexual foray against the true Word of God and His order.

The one and only thing that they have correct is the love of Jesus for them. For Jesus does indeed love them. So much so, that He died and bled and bore the shame of the Cross so that they too, would live and not die.

God is sovereign and cannot and will not change. This is the best news for any of us, for it means that God will never go back on His promises of Love for 'ALL' of us and especially those who call themselves gay. God loves everyone one no matter who they are.

But we cannot lie about God or His Word. It's not God's will nor His standard.
 
God is showing a number of things going on here:

1. There is truly a demonic persuasion going on here for this theory is a lie and satan is the "father of lies", he is a Master Deceiver and quite proud to be so. He loves nothing more than to deceive God's beloved creation, human beings ... all.

2. A community in rebellion against God and His Word. They would rather renounce the truth than honour it and fight to the death to keep the confusion alive and well.

3. There truly are many gays who love God. Yet, they have absolutely no true understanding how they became that way. They are deceptively convinced that 'this is how they are', yet they want so much to be and to feel accepted as such, that they will go through every step to make that acceptance happen, even to the point of creating, preaching, believing a lie.

According to www.gaychristian101.com , it is not only acceptable to be gay by Jesus, but that Jesus also ordained, condoned and encouraged gay marriage. :huh:

What on earth is he talking about and where is he gatting this mess from? And folks believe him. ! ! !

But I have to go back to what God is sharing with me about this. They want to be 'accepted'. However, the only acceptance is to call homosexuality what it is, which is sin and as with all sin, God does not condone it and He never will.

There's something to look at. On the Cross when Jesus hung between the two men. One did not 'believe' the truth about Jesus and rebuffed Him. The other man, said with all humilty, Lord remember me, 'a sinner'.

We all have to come to this. gays will have to accept this and come to this as well; they are not exempt and are not discounted. homosexuality is a sin and in it, no one can win. For anyone to continue is saying they do not believe. All it takes is to walk away and turn totally to Jesus with a simple prayer.

"Lord, I am a sinner, please forgive me. Please come into my heart and make my life anew. I renounce all things which are not of you. Come into my heart, set me free, from this moment on, it's You, My Lord... and 'me.'.

In Jesus' name, Amen and Amen. :Rose:


You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

--- Philipians 4:13

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Note: I fixed the link '101' above... sorry about the typo. :Rose:
 
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I did not read all the article : absurdity and confusion!
They are trying to twist the Scriptures.

Mathew 19:3-12 is very simple to understand (and it’s about divorce).
Knowing that :
*Fornication/adultery are sins
*The model of marriage is between a man and a woman (Adam/Eve)
*Eunuch is a castrated one, because of removal/missing/deformed genitals, so NO sex

The Messiah is saying to choose the thing or its opposite :
Be and stay married - OR – be an eunuch.

I know it’s very tough, but NO excuse!
This is the commandment!

Many have been delivered from Homosexuality.

Even if you think or believe that you are born homosexual or you are homosexual, the choice is : live like an EUNUCH.
But cry on God for deliverance, because there is nothing impossible from Yahweh.

This is very serious!

Rom. 1.27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

Mat. 19:12 …and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

[FONT=&quot]Rev. 22 : [FONT=&quot]14[/FONT][FONT=&quot] “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.[/FONT][/FONT]
 
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I did not read all the article : absurdity and confusion!
They are trying to twist the Scriptures.

Mathew 19:3-12 is very simple to understand (and it’s about divorce).
Knowing that :
*Fornication/adultery are sins
*The model of marriage is between a man and a woman (Adam/Eve)
*Eunuch is a castrated one, because of removal/missing/deformed genitals, so NO sex

The Messiah is saying to choose the thing or its opposite :
Be and stay married - OR – be an eunuch.

I know it’s very tough, but NO excuse!
This is the commandment!

Many have been delivered from Homosexuality.

Even if you think or believe that you are born homosexual or you are homosexual, the choice is : live like an EUNUCH.
But cry on God for deliverance, because there is nothing impossible from Yahweh.

This is very serious!

Rom. 1.27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

Mat. 19:12 …and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

[FONT=&quot]Rev. 22 : [FONT=&quot]14[/FONT][FONT=&quot] “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.[/FONT][/FONT]

Thank you, Crown. This is an awesome 'Word' and I know it's loving; love is who you are. :Rose:
 
This is so sad...:nono:

http://www.gaychristian101.com/does-romans-12627-refer-to-heterosexuals-acting-like-homosexuals.html

They have truly gone totally left field -- wrong.

I had no idea this was going on to this degree. They've truly been deceived and actually, have made up their minds to disprove God's Holy Word. :nono:

Look what they did. In this FAQ here http://www.gaychristian101.com/does-romans-12627-refer-to-heterosexuals-acting-like-homosexuals.html

they are deceptively giving the impression that Christianity Today supports their false theory.

However when you read the article in Christianity Today, it is clear that the article is speaking of a gay preacher who is the one who supports this false theory, NOT Christianity Today (magazine).

Something else. :yep:

This gay preacher states that Romans 1 speaks only against heterosexuals who have changed into having gay relations. That the sin is in them, not homosexuals who have never lived as a heterosexual.

But get this... Gee, this is so messed up. :nono:

This very same gay preacher who has all of this false teaching is divorced his wife and is now in a gay relationship. Are you kidding me? He's doing the very thing that he claims the Word tells him not to.

There is so much confusion in homosexuality. The devil is not going to destroy another life with this mess. I'm praying for their deliverance. It's imperative. satan has them in bondage and it is not God's will that any should perish.

I was never aware that so much confusion existed regarding the Truth of God's Word. God have mercy.

Dear Lord.... this false gospel is being used of satan to keep gays in bondage to this sin.
 
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This is so sad...:nono:

http://www.gaychristian101.com/does-romans-12627-refer-to-heterosexuals-acting-like-homosexuals.html

They have truly gone totally left field -- wrong.

I had no idea this was going on to this degree. They've truly been deceived and actually, have made up their minds to disprove God's Holy Word. :nono:

Look what they did. In this FAQ here http://www.gaychristian101.com/does-romans-12627-refer-to-heterosexuals-acting-like-homosexuals.html

they are deceptively giving the impression that Christianity Today supports their false theory.

However when you read the article in Christianity Today, it is clear that the article is speaking of a gay preacher who is the one who supports this false theory, NOT Christianity Today (magazine).

Something else. :yep:

This gay preacher states that Romans 1 speaks only against heterosexuals who have changed into having gay relations. That the sin is in them, not homosexuals who have never lived as a heterosexual.

But get this... Gee, this is so messed up. :nono:

This very same gay preacher who has all of this false teaching is divorced his wife and is now in a gay relationship. Are you kidding me? He's doing the very thing that he claims the Word tells him not to.

There is so much confusion in homosexuality. The devil is not going to destroy another life with this mess. I'm praying for their deliverance. It's imperative. satan has them in bondage and it is not God's will that any should perish.

I was never aware that so much confusion existed regarding the Truth of God's Word. God have mercy.

Dear Lord.... this false gospel is being used of satan to keep gays in bondage to this sin.

This grieves my heart. Yes I agree, prayer and even fasting is so necessary during these times. We are seeing the end time scriptures come to pass right in our faces. My God help us!!
 
This grieves my heart. Yes I agree, prayer and even fasting is so necessary during these times. We are seeing the end time scriptures come to pass right in our faces. My God help us!!

You're right Health&Hair...

satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. The illness that comes with this lifestyle is killing so many men and now with homosexuality being a part of sexual education in schools and in social studies, etc., so many teens are being infected mentally with the deception and physically with the diseases that come with the gay lifestyle.

satan doesn't care who he destroys, he just wants to destroy precious lives to make a mockery of God's love for them.

I call them out of bondage in Jesus' Name. The devil is a liar and a defeated foe. he has attached this spirit of sexual confusion to their souls (their inward being) which has them in bondage to the sin they are in.

In Jesus' Name, I call them out and set completely free. And there isn't a thing that the devil can do to stop it nor the floods of prayers being sent up to Heaven on their behalf.
 
God is showing a number of things going on here:

1. There is truly a demonic persuasion going on here for this theory is a lie and satan is the "father of lies", he is a Master Deceiver and quite proud to be so. He loves nothing more than to deceive God's beloved creation, human beings ... all.

2. A community in rebellion against God and His Word. They would rather renounce the truth than honour it and fight to the death to keep the confusion alive and well.

3. There truly are many gays who love God. Yet, they have absolutely no true understanding how they became that way. They are deceptively convinced that 'this is how they are', yet they want so much to be and to feel accepted as such, that they will go through every step to make that acceptance happen, even to the point of creating, preaching, believing a lie.

According to www.gaychristian101.com , it is not only acceptable to be gay by Jesus, but that Jesus also ordained, condoned and encouraged gay marriage. :huh:

What on earth is he talking about and where is he gatting this mess from? And folks believe him. ! ! !

But I have to go back to what God is sharing with me about this. They want to be 'accepted'. However, the only acceptance is to call homosexuality what it is, which is sin and as with all sin, God does not condone it and He never will.

There's something to look at. On the Cross when Jesus hung between the two men. One did not 'believe' the truth about Jesus and rebuffed Him. The other man, said with all humilty, Lord remember me, 'a sinner'.

We all have to come to this. gays will have to accept this and come to this as well; they are not exempt and are not discounted. homosexuality is a sin and in it, no one can win. For anyone to continue is saying they do not believe. All it takes is to walk away and turn totally to Jesus with a simple prayer.

"Lord, I am a sinner, please forgive me. Please come into my heart and make my life anew. I renounce all things which are not of you. Come into my heart, set me free, from this moment on, it's You, My Lord... and 'me.'.

In Jesus' name, Amen and Amen. :Rose:

You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

--- Philipians 4:13

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Note: I fixed the link '101' above... sorry about the typo. :Rose:

They have lied and the truth is so not in them. The trip thing is, they made it obvious. God is not going to sugar coat and go against his word for us. Satan has a strong hand in this and these people on that site is allowing it, thus given glory to Satan. It's sad.
 
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