Open Evil Committed Before the Congregation

[JaneBond007]

I just don't know how to deal with this type of thing. Open adultery, both of them married, kids of the woman are emulating her jezebel behavior. OMGarsh! I warned one of my friends to be on guard about this with her own husband because the behavior of this woman attempting to get close to him was in flashing red lights. And finally, the attempt was made. Maybe it was not for me to say...but I was right. Luckily, he responded angrily and rejected her. She moved on....to the next unsuspecting family in my circle. The daughters are following suit with the same behavior in MIDDLE SCHOOL.

Maybe it wasn't my place to warn anybody? Things were openly said about people's fathers spending long hours at night with their mother...said to the children of those families at school in a burst of argument, before the entire class. Now, I've seen a teacher fired for having a "pro-choice" bumper sticker lol. I just can't believe that word hasn't gotten around on this to the priests. They are up-front adulterous..showing up for Church plays with the lover.

Should a church/priest/pastor confront someone? If you were the wife or husband solicited, would you tell your priest/pastor what happened? This woman might get a beat-down from these crazy Pittsburghers...in church, if she ain't careful. These people fight over the wrong breeze of air. I just don't know what a church should do if people know about it, were in that situation...should someone tell the church who was the witness (not me at all...)? How does your congregation handle something like this...if, in fact, you have open adulterous people parading around and participating in church programs? To me, it's thumbing nose at the congregants. If another person tells me about this Jezebel family....sigh....I don't know what they want others to do.

2 Corinthians 4:8

We are pressed on every side by troubles, but we are not crushed. We are perplexed, but not driven to despair.

 

[Shimmie]

The Church's responsibility is to address the person who is in sin.

Matthew 18:15-17

"If your brother sins against you,[a] go and show him his fault, just between the two of you.

If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'

If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

 

[Galadriel]

I just don't know how to deal with this type of thing. Open adultery, both of them married, kids of the woman are emulating her jezebel behavior. OMGarsh! I warned one of my friends to be on guard about this with her own husband because the behavior of this woman attempting to get close to him was in flashing red lights. And finally, the attempt was made. Maybe it was not for me to say...but I was right. Luckily, he responded angrily and rejected her. She moved on....to the next unsuspecting family in my circle. The daughters are following suit with the same behavior in MIDDLE SCHOOL.

Maybe it wasn't my place to warn anybody? Things were openly said about people's fathers spending long hours at night with their mother...said to the children of those families at school in a burst of argument, before the entire class. Now, I've seen a teacher fired for having a "pro-choice" bumper sticker lol. I just can't believe that word hasn't gotten around on this to the priests. They are up-front adulterous..showing up for Church plays with the lover.

Should a church/priest/pastor confront someone? If you were the wife or husband solicited, would you tell your priest/pastor what happened? This woman might get a beat-down from these crazy Pittsburghers...in church, if she ain't careful. These people fight over the wrong breeze of air. I just don't know what a church should do if people know about it, were in that situation...should someone tell the church who was the witness (not me at all...)? How does your congregation handle something like this...if, in fact, you have open adulterous people parading around and participating in church programs? To me, it's thumbing nose at the congregants. If another person tells me about this Jezebel family....sigh....I don't know what they want others to do.

2 Corinthians 4:8

We are pressed on every side by troubles, but we are not crushed. We are perplexed, but not driven to despair.

If I were the pastor, and heard of this, I would definitely invite them in for a talk. If I knew for a fact this was going on, and they were unrepentant, I would publicly deny them Communion.If they were Catholic school teachers/employees--they would be so fired!

 

[JaneBond007]

Thanks for the responses...I was hesitant to post on this again...but I'm soooooo very uncomfortable about this. I just don't wanna hear it, ya know? One thing, I've removed myself and my children from being in those people's presence as much as I can (until there's a parish program). But honestly! If I told you all I know....it's a soap opera! SMH.

I am going to pray that they repent. He's terminal...surely, he realizes something!!!???? Such an assault on marriage! And children too!!! I just rather want them to go away and leave our parish alone.

 

[Shimmie]

Thanks for the responses...I was hesitant to post on this again...but I'm soooooo very uncomfortable about this. I just don't wanna hear it, ya know? One thing, I've removed myself and my children from being in those people's presence as much as I can (until there's a parish program). But honestly! If I told you all I know....it's a soap opera! SMH.

I am going to pray that they repent. He's terminal...surely, he realizes something!!!???? Such an assault on marriage! And children too!!! I just rather want them to go away and leave our parish alone.

You are right to protect your children from this. Your heart is grieved by this situation and it's not a healthy atmosphere for them. Their souls are tender and need to be guarded from this mass of confusion, let alone sin.

My prayer is for their repentence and the intervention of the Church who knows how to handle this effectively. If this man is terminal, perhaps his behaviour is from 'fear'. It surely does not excuse the sinful behaviour, not at all. All the more reason for the Church to step in and pull these people away from their sin. At least on of them will listen. I surely pray so.


Thank you JaneBond007 for sharing your heart. It invites more of us to listen and to pray for the healing of the souls of those involved, to be set free. May this all turn out for God's glory and not satan's triumph.

In Jesus' Name, Amen.

 

[JaneBond007]

Update:

Well, the man has passed away and I prayed he would see the light before he died. I think he got right with his wife and son and put things into their hands because from what I learned, all the money has dried up. I don't believe he was unjust and gave his businesses to this woman. Their first home? I don't know yet. I hope they are not homeless but what to do when it is the wife's home? As far as her behavior, who knows, but I encourage people to pray for her to become right, esp. for her children as a good example. Also, that in the event they are evicted, that they do have a safe home to live in.

Sometimes, you just wait....G-d is not mocked in the end.

 

[LiftedUp]

Should a church/priest/pastor confront someone?

Yes. At my church both parties would've been called in for counseling ASAP. This is not tolerated at all.

With that said, my mother is friends with a woman whose husband, an elder at their church, was in a relationship with a woman in the same church (before he got sick) and she bore a child with him. The whole congregation knows.

My coworker is in a relationship with a married man. They attend the same church. He has very young children. She claims that the congregation "cannot wait" to see them get married.

I think this is why people are wary of some Christians.

I try not to dwell on these things because I'm not speaking it into my life. However, I will not attend a church that supports these things.

 

[JaneBond007]

@Liftedup

There are over 3,000 members and 5 masses between Saturday evening and Sunday evening. The church doesn't support it but it was disconcerting seeing them in full view acting this way. Maybe somebody did mention it to the priest. Unless it's a deacon or minister or priest etc., I don't think most priests would say anything. Maybe they would if they personally knew the person or if it were a small parish? But we don't force confessions. You go willingly.

G-d took care of it. I think that now, most people are aware in our close circle to be wary of her and her antics. I don't wish her ill and hope she doesn't lose a home to live in but you reap what you sow. One of the last times I saw her in 2012, she was beatdown-looking. We did the right thing...we prayed. Sometimes, if you wait, you will see the hand of G-d move. He wasn't mocked in the end.