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EllePixie said:
Well I thought that Elijah Muhammad's followers said that black folks without kinky hair were tainted by the white man?

I need to know who this is...it's so far fetched that I MUST KNOW. This is like that time this dude told me that he was born with good hair and then he got a haircut when he was 1yo and then it turned kinky and bad.
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I'm so glad I'm not the only one that that happened to. :blush: I can remember having type 1 hair and swanging my hair back and forth. Then my mother gave me a hair cut and lo and behold, I'm now a 4B. :sad: I still shake my head at the injustice of it all. :nono:


:lachen::lachen::lachen::lachen:
 
dyh080 said:
Most of you are either too young to remember or were not even born yet but I remember hearing a promient black leader/minister in the late 80s or early '90s say that we weren't meant to have what we on this board refer to as type 4 hair.

He said our hair was supposed to be like that of which most newborn blacks. Unfortunately I do not recall him explaining why blacks' hair changed.

Funny, I also don't recall anyone questioning him.

Also, his "organization" was promoting a shampoo and conditioner of which he said if you use it, your hair will revert back to what it was designed to be. ( It may have been a ploy to sell his products but I really don't think so...he had/has a lot of other things going on). By the way, they no longer sell those products.


I realize this sounds bazarre but I really DID hear this. Any thoughts?
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eajaye2u said:
I know who you are talking about. But I wont mention his name here. He is still quite revered by some of our hair sisters. They re too young to have heard him say these things. Don't want to insult anyone. However, he is not a christian and he is well respected in the black community. His "brand" did not take off. That's why the products are not out there now.
Peace

eta: spelling
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dyh080 said:
Thanks....I didn't want to say his name either. I can tell by your response that you know exactly who I am talking about.
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:orders: LADIES, CUT THE CRAP AND TELL US WHO SAID IT!!!
 
EllePixie said:
Well I thought that Elijah Muhammad's followers said that black folks without kinky hair were tainted by the white man?

I need to know who this is...it's so far fetched that I MUST KNOW. This is like that time this dude told me that he was born with good hair and then he got a haircut when he was 1yo and then it turned kinky and bad.
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I don't know who this 1980s person is, but apparently that is something Elijah Muhammad taught at some point. A prominent non-Christian black leader/minister... I would think it had to be someone from NOI. Are there other non-Christian religious groups that are prominent with Blacks?
 
OMG....ya'll HAVE to tell us! for all we know he might be the reason most of the black hair products have bad ingredients in em!
SPILL THE BEANS RET NAH!!! :armyhat:
 
Junebug D said:
I don't know who this 1980s person is, but apparently that is something Elijah Muhammad taught at some point. A prominent non-Christian black leader/minister... I would think it had to be someone from NOI. Are there other non-Christian religious groups that are prominent with Blacks?
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I'm not sure, but right now I'm reading The Autobiography of Malcolm X and it seems to me that NOI was against anything that seemed "whiter," including lighter skin, so that wouldn't make sense for him to say that? I'm researching...I must know!
 
EllePixie said:
I'm not sure, but right now I'm reading The Autobiography of Malcolm X and it seems to me that NOI was against anything that seemed "whiter," including lighter skin, so that wouldn't make sense for him to say that? I'm researching...I must know!
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Maybe it's not about white people. Excerpt from a Malcolm X speech referencing Elijah Muhammad's teaching. If Muhammad believed that the original black people had slim noses and straight hair, then it's not exactly related to eurocentric beauty standards or anything like that. He's not saying go perm, but he's simply saying that we currently do not look like our ancestors did. It's trippy, but that's the best I can do with book snippets.

Either way if those quotes truly did come from Farrakhan, he was prob just saying it to hawk the products, maybe even reading lines? He wouldn't say anything like that today.
 
I hope no one back in the day actually entertained this nonsense. Anyone ignant enough to put something this ri-dayum-diculous out there (I don't care how long ago it was) and then try to make money off it, does not need their identity protected.
 
Still? .......Why are ya'll so freakin scared to come out wit it yo?? :whyme: What was the point of the thread if ur not gonna tell us who dude is?.........waste of thread space :nono:
 
I believe there is some truth to that. Before you start the evil responses, let me explain:
I don't agree that we weren't meant to have type 4 hair. Many of us do and some don't. That's just how it is, but how many of us(especially prior to hairboards) put grease on our scalps, skipped shampoos more than one week, used odd products, did not moisturize properly, etc....???
I think these negative things can effect your texture no doubt, but if the claim is that out texture is supposed to be the same as white, asians, etc... then that's pretty bizarre.
 
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wish4length said:
I believe there is some truth to that. Before you start the evil responses, let me explain:
I don't agree that we weren't meant to have type 4 hair. Many of us do and some don't. That's just how it is, but how many of us(especially prior to hairboards) put grease on our scalps, skipped shampoos more than one week, used odd products, did not moisturize properly, etc....???
I think these negative things can effect your texture no doubt, but if the claim is that out texture is supposed to be the same as white, asians, etc... then that's pretty bizarre.
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I may regret calling attention to this, but I just died when I read this.

So are you saying having dirty hair and putting grease on your scalp can make you have type 4 hair? And now that we have better hair practices, our type 4 hair will stop being "affected" and revert to what it is supposed to be???

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From Wikipedia
Texture
[edit]Curly hair
Jablonski[28] agrees that it was evolutionarily advantageous for pre-humans to retain the hair on their heads in order to protect the scalp as they walked upright in the intense African (equatorial) UV light. While some might argue that, by this logic, humans should also express hairy shoulders given that these body parts would putatively be exposed to similar conditions, the protection of the head, the seat of the brain that enabled humanity to become one of the most successful species on the planet (and which also is very vulnerable at birth), was arguably a more urgent issue (axillary hair in the underarms and groin were also retained as signs of sexual maturity). During the gradual process by which Homo erectus made a transition from furry to naked skin, their hair texture putatively changed gradually from straight[citation needed] (the condition of most mammals, including humanity's closest cousins—chimpanzees), to Afro-like or 'kinky' (i.e. tightly coiled). In this sense, during the period in which humans were gradually losing their straight body hair and thereby exposing initially the pale skin underneath their fur to the sun, straight hair would have been an adaptive liability. Hence, tightly coiled or 'kinky' Afro-hair may have evolved to prevent the entry of UV light into the body during the transition toward dark, UV-protected skin.

Alternatively, some intuit that tightly coiled hair that grows into a typical Afro-like formation would have greatly reduced the ability of the head and brain to cool. They reason that although hair density in African peoples is much less than their European counterparts, in the intense sun the effective 'woolly hat' produced would have been a disadvantage. However, anthropologists such as Nina Jablonski make the opposite argument with regards to this hair texture. Specifically, Jablonski's assertions [28] suggest that the adjective "woolly" in reference to Afro-hair is a misnomer to the extent that it connotes the high heat insulation derivable from the true wool of sheep. Instead, the relatively sparse density of Afro-hair, combined with its springy coils actually results in an airy, almost sponge-like effect. This, in turn, Jablonski argues,[28] more likely facilitates an increase in the circulation of cool air onto the scalp. Further, Afro-hair does not respond so easily to moisture and sweat as straight hair. Thus it does not stick to the neck and scalp when wet. Rather, unless totally drenched, it tends to retain its basic springy puffiness. In this sense, the trait may enhance comfort levels in intense equatorial climates compared to straight hair (which, on the other hand, tends to naturally fall over the ears and neck to a degree that provides slightly enhanced comfort levels in cold climates relative to tightly coiled hair).

Further, some interpret the ideas of Charles Darwin as suggesting that some traits, such as hair texture, were so arbitrary to human survival that the role natural selection played was trivial. They argue that Darwin's explanation which was that sexual selection may be responsible for such traits.[31] However, the concept of "triviality" is a human value judgment, and hair texture still may have played a role. In fact, while the sexual selection hypothesis cannot be ruled out, the asymmetrical distribution of this trait vouches for environmental influence. Specifically, if hair texture were simply the result of adaptively arbitrary human aesthetic preferences, one would expect that the global distribution of the various hair textures would be fairly random.[dubious – discuss] Instead, the distribution of Afro-hair is strongly skewed toward the equator. Further, it is notable that the most pervasive expression of this hair texture can be found in sub-Saharan Africa; a region of the world that abundant genetic and paleo-anthropological evidence suggests, was the relatively recent (~200,000 year old) point of origin for modern humanity. In fact, although genetic findings (Tishkoff, 2009) suggest that sub-Saharan Africans are the most genetically diverse continental group on Earth, Afro-textured hair (along with a small cluster of other physical features) approaches ubiquity is this region.[citation needed] This points to a strong, long-term selective pressure that, in stark contrast to most other regions of the genomes of sub-Saharan groups, left little room for genetic variation at the determining loci. Such a pattern is, again, not indicative of human sexual aesthetic
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southerncitygirl said:
ahhhh the many ways that white people have brainwashed us.....first stripping us of our culture and turning us against each other (divide& conquer) then force feed us christianity...smh. it sounds like he's trying to talk that ish about that mormaons talk about black people being cursed by god that's why we're dark and have curly/kinky hair....i believe this is/was called the curse of ham?
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BlackMasterPiece said:
Good ole slave master's Christianity working its magic once again.....I can't believe so many Black folks believe the foolery that comes outta these preachers mouths.

Its pure self-hating ignorance and I have no desire to even know the man that said it.
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Just curious, do you two believe that Africans had no knowledge of Christ/Christianity until they were taught about him/it here in America?
 
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