naturalmanenyc
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I got there at 9:16 a.m. for my 9:15 appointment and signed in. Signing in included filling out a waiver which reads (they have a few sections bolded on the form):
I, _______ UNDERSTAND THAT AVEDA INSTITUTE IS A SCHOOL WHICH INSTRUCTS STUDENTS WHO WISH TO BECOME BEAUTICIANS AND ESTHETICIANS AND ARE NOT FULLY TRAINED LICENSED PROFESSINALS. BECAUSE OF THEIR INEXPERIENCE THERE IS A RISK THAT I COULD BE INJURED OR SUSTAIN DAMAGE FROM THE NEGLIGENCE OR CARELESSNESS OF SUCH STUDENT(S) IN PERFORMING THE WORK UPON ME. NEVERTHELESS, IN CONSIDERATION OF A REDUCED CHARGE THAT I WILL PAY, I AGREE TO ASSUME ANY RISK OR DAMAGE THAT I MIGHT SUFFER BECAUSE OF SUCH NEGLIGENCE OR CARELESSNESS. I AGREE TO GIVE UP MY RIGHT TO SUE THE STUDENT, THE SCHOOL, THE INSTRUCTORS AND ANY SCHOOL PERSONNEL FOR ANY SUCH INJURY OR DAMAGE TO MYSELF OF ANY PERSONAL PROPERTY.
There is a signature line for a witness as well as the patron.
This alone almost made me walk out without any services. With no advance research on this kind of waiver, I'm not sure that it would even hold up in court if there were a serious injury i.e., burning out a section of hair or using relaxer as conditioner? Somehow I doubt the waiver will hold up for severe negligence....but I did take the risk. However, I asked for a student who was close to graduation and learned that all 4 students on hand this morning had all graduated already, last week. They were in class to make up hours that they missed since 1,000 hours are required.
My stylist, can't even recall her name, has been in class for 8 months and graduated already. She officially finishes next week, Wednesday. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean much. I will elaborate in a sec.
Every person who evaluated or touched my hair is African American.
When I first got to her chair, I explained that my biggest fear is burning of my hair with a blow dryer or flat iron. She called me a chicken and I agreed.
First, I'll attach photos. I have lots of swing!!!
The instructor came over to inspect the student's assessment of my hair and asked the student what she planned to use. They decided on Smooth Infusion Shampoo & Damage Remedy Restructuring Shampoo. This was after a bit of discussion between me and the student about going natural and the instructor and student about me needing a trim. I explained that I was not getting my hair trimmed at all and the instructor commented that my ends were "rough". I still said no scissors - not at all. I will elaborate on this in a sec. I'm not sure if the instructor was having a bad day or if she didn't agree with my decision to go natural and not allow a student to trim my hair at all.....but she did have a puss face on every time she came over to check on my service.
There was a natural instructor on site but the one supervising my student is relaxed (or at least it looked like a relaxer). I opted for the Damage Remedy Treatment ($30) since I heard so many raves about it on this site.
Okay, so the products used are:
Composition - an oil used to massage my scalp
Next, some other pricey product, an oil in a syringe applicator. I never got the name of that one but it was golden in color. This was also used only on the scalp. It was suggested by my student at that time that I cut off my relaxed hair since it would only fall out as all her friends who went natural lost their relaxed hair. I explained that I know many people who went natural without cutting off their relaxed hair.
Next was the wash with two poo's (smooth infusion then damage remedy). This was when the first discussion started about types of relaxer that I can try?!?!? Didn't I say I was going natural?
Then I had a Damage Remedy Treatment that included mixing two bottles of thin, cream treatment called "moisture infusion" and "strength infusion." They were put on the length of my hair with an applicator brush. The comb out was the next problem. The student, who had been trained for 8 months, tried to comb out my 34 week post hair from the root. I took the comb from her and showed her how to comb out my hair from the ends to the root. She still tried the root comb out and I showed her several more times how to comb out my hair. She did get it after a while.
The next problem was that she combed it out with no product. Granted, she was combing it out to apply the treatment, but still, I don't comb out my hair naked. She finished her application and then a plastic cap was added. I was put under this "dryer" that looked more like an open top bun warmer that rotates slowly around the clients head as it warms. It probably should have been 20 minutes of "treatment" but the instructor came back over to remind the student of the time and they decided on 15 minutes. Turned out to be more like 10 minutes though.
That was all rinsed out and then more discussion at the sink about Mizani being a good relaxer made by a Black company. Then the discussion turned to using braids to transition and weave in the cooler months. I made it very clear that I was not cutting off my hair and I did not prefer braids on me. The student then stated that I should cut my hair because it would help it to GROW?!!?!? I explained to her that hair does not grow from the ends, it grows from the root so cutting it does not help it to grow. She commented that Black women don't like to cut their hair and again I explained that there is no need to cut hair just because it's uneven....but only if ends are split and can damage the hair shaft. We agreed that my ends are not split although uneven.....and I'm fine with that since I wear it pinned up most often.
After the rinse out of the treatment I asked that my products be used for the blowout & flat iron. I took my shea moisture leave-in and my sabino moisture block. The student was fine with my products being used but had to ask the instructor. The puss face instructor came over & gave the okay. I later asked if the student would get in trouble for using my products and she said no, she pays to attend the school. She said that I might get into "trouble" though if my products were seen being used without prior permission. Not sure how I'd get in trouble? But whatever. My products were used but not until after a bit of the instructor chastising me for bringing my own products and saying that I could not bring then again - as if I'm coming back. I get it that it's a school and they use Aveda products but I know what works on my hair. She used the shea moisture but wiped some of it onto a towel first instead of using it on my hair. I guess she felt she was using too much? Then she put on two dime sized amounts of sabino like I asked.
The next disaster was the blow out. The student, with 8 months of training, tried to blow out my hair more like a baby poking around in a sandbox. She used a denman brush (bravo) but was literally poking at my head with it and dry to push out the curls? I pointed to another student who was finishing up a color treatment and blowing out her client. I explained that my student should have been using the same technique with a round brush or at least not the poking at my head technique. I got annoyed, visibly too, and she asked a fellow student to go get their instructor and explained that she was doing it in that way so as not to hurt me? Instead of the teacher coming over, a male student came over and blew out my hair with ease.
I, _______ UNDERSTAND THAT AVEDA INSTITUTE IS A SCHOOL WHICH INSTRUCTS STUDENTS WHO WISH TO BECOME BEAUTICIANS AND ESTHETICIANS AND ARE NOT FULLY TRAINED LICENSED PROFESSINALS. BECAUSE OF THEIR INEXPERIENCE THERE IS A RISK THAT I COULD BE INJURED OR SUSTAIN DAMAGE FROM THE NEGLIGENCE OR CARELESSNESS OF SUCH STUDENT(S) IN PERFORMING THE WORK UPON ME. NEVERTHELESS, IN CONSIDERATION OF A REDUCED CHARGE THAT I WILL PAY, I AGREE TO ASSUME ANY RISK OR DAMAGE THAT I MIGHT SUFFER BECAUSE OF SUCH NEGLIGENCE OR CARELESSNESS. I AGREE TO GIVE UP MY RIGHT TO SUE THE STUDENT, THE SCHOOL, THE INSTRUCTORS AND ANY SCHOOL PERSONNEL FOR ANY SUCH INJURY OR DAMAGE TO MYSELF OF ANY PERSONAL PROPERTY.
There is a signature line for a witness as well as the patron.
This alone almost made me walk out without any services. With no advance research on this kind of waiver, I'm not sure that it would even hold up in court if there were a serious injury i.e., burning out a section of hair or using relaxer as conditioner? Somehow I doubt the waiver will hold up for severe negligence....but I did take the risk. However, I asked for a student who was close to graduation and learned that all 4 students on hand this morning had all graduated already, last week. They were in class to make up hours that they missed since 1,000 hours are required.
My stylist, can't even recall her name, has been in class for 8 months and graduated already. She officially finishes next week, Wednesday. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean much. I will elaborate in a sec.
Every person who evaluated or touched my hair is African American.
When I first got to her chair, I explained that my biggest fear is burning of my hair with a blow dryer or flat iron. She called me a chicken and I agreed.
First, I'll attach photos. I have lots of swing!!!
The instructor came over to inspect the student's assessment of my hair and asked the student what she planned to use. They decided on Smooth Infusion Shampoo & Damage Remedy Restructuring Shampoo. This was after a bit of discussion between me and the student about going natural and the instructor and student about me needing a trim. I explained that I was not getting my hair trimmed at all and the instructor commented that my ends were "rough". I still said no scissors - not at all. I will elaborate on this in a sec. I'm not sure if the instructor was having a bad day or if she didn't agree with my decision to go natural and not allow a student to trim my hair at all.....but she did have a puss face on every time she came over to check on my service.
There was a natural instructor on site but the one supervising my student is relaxed (or at least it looked like a relaxer). I opted for the Damage Remedy Treatment ($30) since I heard so many raves about it on this site.
Okay, so the products used are:
Composition - an oil used to massage my scalp
Next, some other pricey product, an oil in a syringe applicator. I never got the name of that one but it was golden in color. This was also used only on the scalp. It was suggested by my student at that time that I cut off my relaxed hair since it would only fall out as all her friends who went natural lost their relaxed hair. I explained that I know many people who went natural without cutting off their relaxed hair.
Next was the wash with two poo's (smooth infusion then damage remedy). This was when the first discussion started about types of relaxer that I can try?!?!? Didn't I say I was going natural?
Then I had a Damage Remedy Treatment that included mixing two bottles of thin, cream treatment called "moisture infusion" and "strength infusion." They were put on the length of my hair with an applicator brush. The comb out was the next problem. The student, who had been trained for 8 months, tried to comb out my 34 week post hair from the root. I took the comb from her and showed her how to comb out my hair from the ends to the root. She still tried the root comb out and I showed her several more times how to comb out my hair. She did get it after a while.
The next problem was that she combed it out with no product. Granted, she was combing it out to apply the treatment, but still, I don't comb out my hair naked. She finished her application and then a plastic cap was added. I was put under this "dryer" that looked more like an open top bun warmer that rotates slowly around the clients head as it warms. It probably should have been 20 minutes of "treatment" but the instructor came back over to remind the student of the time and they decided on 15 minutes. Turned out to be more like 10 minutes though.
That was all rinsed out and then more discussion at the sink about Mizani being a good relaxer made by a Black company. Then the discussion turned to using braids to transition and weave in the cooler months. I made it very clear that I was not cutting off my hair and I did not prefer braids on me. The student then stated that I should cut my hair because it would help it to GROW?!!?!? I explained to her that hair does not grow from the ends, it grows from the root so cutting it does not help it to grow. She commented that Black women don't like to cut their hair and again I explained that there is no need to cut hair just because it's uneven....but only if ends are split and can damage the hair shaft. We agreed that my ends are not split although uneven.....and I'm fine with that since I wear it pinned up most often.
After the rinse out of the treatment I asked that my products be used for the blowout & flat iron. I took my shea moisture leave-in and my sabino moisture block. The student was fine with my products being used but had to ask the instructor. The puss face instructor came over & gave the okay. I later asked if the student would get in trouble for using my products and she said no, she pays to attend the school. She said that I might get into "trouble" though if my products were seen being used without prior permission. Not sure how I'd get in trouble? But whatever. My products were used but not until after a bit of the instructor chastising me for bringing my own products and saying that I could not bring then again - as if I'm coming back. I get it that it's a school and they use Aveda products but I know what works on my hair. She used the shea moisture but wiped some of it onto a towel first instead of using it on my hair. I guess she felt she was using too much? Then she put on two dime sized amounts of sabino like I asked.
The next disaster was the blow out. The student, with 8 months of training, tried to blow out my hair more like a baby poking around in a sandbox. She used a denman brush (bravo) but was literally poking at my head with it and dry to push out the curls? I pointed to another student who was finishing up a color treatment and blowing out her client. I explained that my student should have been using the same technique with a round brush or at least not the poking at my head technique. I got annoyed, visibly too, and she asked a fellow student to go get their instructor and explained that she was doing it in that way so as not to hurt me? Instead of the teacher coming over, a male student came over and blew out my hair with ease.
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and interesting thread! I would say that you and your hair did very well. You-standing firm and not swaying about a trim and your hair with all that swang-swang!!!
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