MHM Hangout

[Guinan]

That's what I was afraid of...
I usually do the regimen twice a week so I clarify often. This week I did the CLCT so I skipped step 1.

Wait! I added ACV to my clay mix the last few times, do you think that may have caused it?

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Idk...the only time I use ACV is when I clarify. Try the clay w/o the ACV and see what happens.

 

[Holla4mom]

So when you say on the "wavy" side do you mean versus being "coily"? I noticed that even though I am thinking my hair is more "defined" since I started this two weeks ago, it's only coily around the sides and nape (my 4c hair) but most of it is just wavy like which is a huge improvement because I'd never even seen a pattern in my hair.

I do use the perfectly undone but I don't have anything to compare it to. I do dilute it, and I also add oils. One bottle makes two or three bottles of conditioner for me and then today, I took a few squirts of it, put it in a bottle and added 6 oz of water like on Protective Princess's video and it seemed to work even better.

Hmmmm. ..I'm thinking. Honestly I don't know why your hair is behaving like that. There's only been a couple of reasons why my hair will do that: need protein or I need to clarify.

Just today, I noticed that my front was on the wavy side. For me I have to clarify before I do anything. So I clarified, then protein and then DC. I hadn't used protein in over a month.

When did you last clarify? If all else fails, take your hair back to basics.

 

[Holla4mom]

Did you mean it literally, the part she had in bold "a min"- i.e. that you were going to leave the clay for just a minute or so?

Back to back, meaning doing the method once a day for two days.

Sorry, I thought that was understood.

 

[Cattypus1]

That's what I was afraid of... I usually do the regimen twice a week so I clarify often. This week I did the CLCT so I skipped step 1. Wait! I added ACV to my clay mix the last few times, do you think that may have caused it? Sent from my SM-N900V using LHCF

How much ACV did you add? I usually add a teaspoon or less to about a cup of warm water.

 

[Holla4mom]

I've been going back and looking at your posts, to see if I have any ideas based on all the things I've read or looked at, but I did have one question- what's the longest number of cycles you have gone without changing anything? For instance since starting do you think you've had at least 10 straight cycles where you used the exact same products, same techniques, everything so you could give your hair time to respond? That's the only thing I can think of is that if you are using lots of different products and different regimens every few washes it may make it harder for you to figure out what your new TWA wants.

Can you guys please HELP ME! I'm getting considerably less coiling with each passing day. I just CW and noticed my coils that were there a week ago are gone, my hair is coily straight with a few clumped coils. Can someone tell me what's happening and how to get my coils back?!?

I just CW with perfectly undone and left my hair alone until I can get some help. I'm under a conditioning cap right now to keep my hair from drying without product.

I'm using all approved products accept the one time use of the Oyin Greg Juice which was clarified out the next day.

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[Holla4mom]

I'm noticing it while wet and dry...the kccc gel helps but there still is more frizzing than usual. When I'm rinsing, my hair feels kinky straight and only a few areas have some clumping coils. The absolute only thing I've changed was switching from Tresemme Naturals Radiant... to Tresemme perfectly undone.

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Did you hair feel dryer after the CLCT? I remember said you forgot to add the ACV to balance out the baking soda, or maybe it was the other way around.

 

[Guinan]

Did you mean it literally, the part she had in bold "a min"- i.e. that you were going to leave the clay for just a minute or so?

Awww...i see. Yes, literally a min or two. I would love to leave it in longer, but I usually don't have the time.

I'm using the app from my phone, so it doesn't show bolded fonts.

 

[KiWiStyle]

Idk...the only time I use ACV is when I clarify. Try the clay w/o the ACV and see what happens.

Ok, I'll try that too.

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[KiWiStyle]

How much ACV did you add? I usually add a teaspoon or less to about a cup of warm water.

I add about a tsp or more to my clay mix and shake.

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[Guinan]

So when you say on the "wavy" side do you mean versus being "coily"? I noticed that even though I am thinking my hair is more "defined" since I started this two weeks ago, it's only coily around the sides and nape (my 4c hair) but most of it is just wavy like which is a huge improvement because I'd never even seen a pattern in my hair.

I do use the perfectly undone but I don't have anything to compare it to. I do dilute it, and I also add oils. One bottle makes two or three bottles of conditioner for me and then today, I took a few squirts of it, put it in a bottle and added 6 oz of water like on Protective Princess's video and it seemed to work even better.

The front of my hair when moisturized is a tight "S" shape. But when something is off, it usually presents itself in the front 1st by becoming a very loose "S".

The 1st pic is when its off (before MHM) and the 2nd is when it's on point (after MHM). Both are without product

 

[nycutiepie]

I think we all are novices...I'm hoping someone can help even just a little. I just confirmed my fears today, I was hoping it was just a fluke. I'm should go back to the Naturals Radiant the next time I CW or do the regimen.

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This is interesting and coincidental. I just cowashed with the Radiant and I don't like how my hair came out. It shrunk up and was frizzy and more dry looking than when I do the entire cycle. Perhaps I needed to use heat or something because I just did it quickly in the shower.

 

[KiWiStyle]

I've been going back and looking at your posts, to see if I have any ideas based on all the things I've read or looked at, but I did have one question- what's the longest number of cycles you have gone without changing anything? For instance since starting do you think you've had at least 10 straight cycles where you used the exact same products, same techniques, everything so you could give your hair time to respond? That's the only thing I can think of is that if you are using lots of different products and different regimens every few washes it may make it harder for you to figure out what your new TWA wants.

I have been on the same original regimen since starting on 12/22. Over time I've changed conditioners from the Tresemme Avocado to Radiant to perfectly undone and switched clays from Moroccan red to rhassoul.

I had an issue with mixing coconut milk into my rhassoul clay and because I used a lot and didn't want to throw it out, I countered the drying effect by adding more honey and mixed in some red clay. I did this until the coconut milk/clay mix was was all gone. This past regimen, I used Rhassoul only. When I was working on recovering from the protein overload from the coconut milk I DC with Shea Moisture Manuka...Masque. I did that 2-3 times before I switched back to the Perfectly undone.

My hair has been feeling very soft/nice, with or without product lately so I'm confused.

I CW tonight with very diluted perfectly undone but didn't put on any products. I have a conditioning cap and bonnet on...I have no idea what to do to it.

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[KiWiStyle]

Thanks all for your suggestions, I really do appreciate them! If anyone can think of a possible cause and a fix later, please tell. I have a meeting at 9am so I'm going to sleep on it. I'll just wet my hair and apply gel in the morning. Hopefully I'll figure it out.

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[discodumpling]

Did you mean it literally, the part she had in bold "a min"- i.e. that you were going to leave the clay for just a minute or so?

Exactly. Clay is quite pricey to use as a quick rinse out conditioner! How do the smectic qualities of the clay get an opportunity to work if you rinse it so quickly? Not that i'm an overnight clay advocate but there has to be a happy medium. Never the less if a 1 min clay wash is working for your hair then keep at it!

 

[Guinan]

Exactly. Clay is quite pricey to use as a quick rinse out conditioner! How do the smectic qualities of the clay get an opportunity to work if you rinse it so quickly? Not that i'm an overnight clay advocate but there has to be a happy medium. Never the less if a 1 min clay wash is working for your hair then keep at it!

Yeah, I kinda treat it like a clay wash like naptural85. I'm not timing the time the clay is in my hair. So when I get in the shower I rinse out my DC and then apply the clay. But if I had to guesstimate I probably leave it on for about 1-5 min; depending on my schedule.

Yup, ur right for the price of the clay and the amount of time it's left on my hair, might not work for others. For my hair, it's really the DC that needs to penetrate not the clay.

It's funny when @Holla4mom explained ur post to me I literally LOL.

 

[Guinan]

Ok ladies, so I couldn't go back to sleep so i decided to do my hair this morning . So far I really like the undone conditioner. When I rinsed it out my hair was really soft and moisturized. I think it's a keeper but I definitely need to dilute it. I also need to slow down when I'm doing my hair. Alot of times, I blame the product for breakage and knots but ALOT of times it's me.

I was gonna do a wng but I can't stand this shrinkage, so I opted for a twistout.

I also switched back to using goddess curls botanical gel. I swear that stuff is AMAZING. My curls were very defined and elongated and at 1st I thought maybe I should do a wng but wet hair is sooo deceiving. I knew in about 30mins my hair was gonna shrink right back up to my ears.

 

[Guinan]

Thanks all for your suggestions, I really do appreciate them! If anyone can think of a possible cause and a fix later, please tell. I have a meeting at 9am so I'm going to sleep on it. I'll just wet my hair and apply gel in the morning. Hopefully I'll figure it out.

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How did ur hair turn out this morning?

 

[Holla4mom]

Okay, let us know how it's behaving today.

Thanks all for your suggestions, I really do appreciate them! If anyone can think of a possible cause and a fix later, please tell. I have a meeting at 9am so I'm going to sleep on it. I'll just wet my hair and apply gel in the morning. Hopefully I'll figure it out.

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[Holla4mom]

Ok ladies, so I couldn't go back to sleep so i decided to do my hair this morning . So far I really like the undone conditioner. When I rinsed it out my hair was really soft and moisturized. I think it's a keeper but I definitely need to dilute it. I also need to slow down when I'm doing my hair. Alot of times, I blame the product for breakage and knots but ALOT of times it's me.

I was gonna do a wng but I can't stand this shrinkage, so I opted for a twistout.

I also switched back to using goddess curls botanical gel. I swear that stuff is AMAZING. My curls were very defined and elongated and at 1st I thought maybe I should do a wng but wet hair is sooo deceiving. I knew in about 30mins my hair was gonna shrink right back up to my ears.

In all your pics, your hair is lovely. May I ask if your hair is Type 4? If so would you consider it 4a? It sounds like you had s-curl definition even before starting this regimen. I just want to make sure I have realistic expectations for my hair when looking at different heads of curls based on where they actually started.

 

[Holla4mom]

I have a whole day to myself! I can't go anywhere because. . . I wrecked my van yesterday and it might be totalled I can't complain everyone was okay and my van is 18 years old.

So, I'm going to play in my hair and clean up this house. It's been two weeks since my CLCT and with the amount of DCing 20+ hours a day, I want to do another one.

I DC'ed overnight with the very diluted perfectly undone/oils/ EO's mix. My hair is so soft. Can I just let it dry and do the CLCT? Can I wash it out and do the treatment on wet hair, or should I wash it out and wait for my hair to dry product free?

This thread is so helpful. Thanks faithVA for starting it and all of you who are so generous in sharing your hair journeys and advice.

 

[faithVA]

I have a whole day to myself! I can't go anywhere because. . . I wrecked my van yesterday and it might be totalled I can't complain everyone was okay and my van is 18 years old.

So, I'm going to play in my hair and clean up this house. It's been two weeks since my CLCT and with the amount of DCing 20+ hours a day, I want to do another one.

I DC'ed overnight with the very diluted perfectly undone/oils/ EO's mix. My hair is so soft. Can I just let it dry and do the CLCT? Can I wash it out and do the treatment on wet hair, or should I wash it out and wait for my hair to dry product free?

This thread is so helpful. Thanks faithVA for starting it and all of you who are so generous in sharing your hair journeys and advice.

Sorry about your van but glad that you are alright. You can get another van but not another you

You can just rinse out the conditioner and do the clct on wet hair. It doesn't have to be dry. It was only suggested on dry hair so people didn't feel like they had to wet their hair to get started.

I'm doing my clct tonight when I get home. Looking forward to it.

 

[Holla4mom]

Thank you! Going to get started!

If I have the energy I plan to do it on my DD13 when she gets home this evening.

Sorry about your van but glad that you are alright. You can get another van but not another you

You can just rinse out the conditioner and do the clct on wet hair. It doesn't have to be dry. It was only suggested on dry hair so people didn't feel like they had to wet their hair to get started.

I'm doing my clct tonight when I get home. Looking forward to it.

 

[faithVA]

Last night I water rinsed and tried out the color shampoo on my hair. It didn't take. I either put in too much conditioner or the color shampoo was too old. I mix it with conditioner so the shampoo isn't as stripping. I had some nice coil definition with the shampoo in though.

I then sprayed on the flax seed gel. Probably doing it after a shampoo is not the best test time to test it out. I don't get any slip with the flax seed gel so once I spray it on I can't finger comb through my hair. I tried to do the roll and pin as best I could and then I baggied overnight. Just wearing it in a puff today.

My hair has dried and it has shrunken but fortunately it hasn't dried out.

I remixed the color shampoo mix and will try it on my edges tonight.

Then I'm going to do the full modified regimen: CLCT, clay and gel. I have all my stuff and I'm ready to go.

 

[faithVA]

ETA: Sold Out.

 

[GGsKin]

KiWiStyle sorry about your MHM woes. I've been looking for some kind of answer but I am struggling- #novice problems (yes I'm still hash tagging). I was thinking if you haven't changed anything else, maybe it was the humectant in the conditioner (dipropylene glycol) but then I don't know much about ingredients, I don't know if your weather gives you those kinds of issues with humectants, or if it is even high enough on the list (about 7th) to have any kind of effect on your hair like that. But you said you'd take any input

 

[GGsKin]

Yesterday I put my hair in a banana clip. Here are pics from yesterday's wash wet, and then my hair today dry (after releasing from the clip). That root definition I felt after my cassia treatment is still visible in patches- with gel. Please excuse the gel flakes. I'm still looking for that elusive shine

 

[faithVA]

Yesterday I put my hair in a banana clip. Here are pics from yesterday's wash wet, and then my hair today dry (after releasing from the clip). That root definition I felt after my cassia treatment is still visible in patches- with gel. Please excuse the gel flakes. I'm still looking for that elusive shine

Cool. So the first pic is after applying the gel. The third pic is today. The second pic is when?

I can definitely see the definition in the 1st and third one. What gel are you using?

 

[GGsKin]

Cool. So the first pic is after applying the gel. The third pic is today. The second pic is when?

I can definitely see the definition in the 1st and third one. What gel are you using?

In the side by side pic, the right side is also today.

ETA: I'm using KCCC diluted. I also have the Alikay Naturals Aloe Berry but the last time I did a comparison- a while ago (no diluting), KCCC gave me a better result. But I get no shine on my hair up top, only at the back. I don't know if that will change.

 

[KiWiStyle]

How did ur hair turn out this morning?

Its a hot mess and coupling frizzy hair with grays popping up and needing a lining...I wanna hat!! I'm going to do the entire regimen tonight/morning and hopefully the clay will resolve some of my issue. Thanks for asking pelohello

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[faithVA]

In the side by side pic, the right side is also today.

ETA: I'm using KCCC diluted. I also have the Alikay Naturals Aloe Berry but the last time I did a comparison- a while ago (no diluting), KCCC gave me a better result. But I get no shine on my hair up top, only at the back. I don't know if that will change.

OK. I understand now. My hair seems to be doing the same. The back is more hydrated and more defined. The top and sides not so much. I also have this gray and an ashy, light brown hair color.

Hopefully it will change. I have heard the other ladies said it changed for them.