MHM Hangout
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Adiatasha
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I didn't think she was 4c either. Maybe I have this whole hair typing thing wrong.
I've actually been wondering, how are we typing our hair now? Because, after mhm, we see so many changes.... are we claiming the 'new' type? Is it really 'new' at all? Or are they the same curls we always had, just less frizzy?
I think they're the same curls. The reason I think that is, a, a section of my hair that's always been curly is still the same. The only changes I can see are in the frizzy section of my hair. Otherwise, the hair that was already curly just feels better, more moisturized, etc, but it looks the same.
Just some random, disjointed thoughts...
Maybe I've never been 4c.. Dare I say it? Maybe 4c is just dry 4b???
I think I was using all the wrong products with the wrong technique.
My hair was soooooooo dang dry. But since the MHM I have a curl pattern.
Another pic of my hair.
I'm finding all of this so interesting. I thought 3c was bigger curls like Tracey Ellis Ross. Lol.
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KiWiStyle
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Its too funny. They started yelling out ounces and what is/isn't allowed...I was like crap, they gone take my new gel! As soon as I saw her in all her natural glory, I was like, I got this, Lol. Dude behind me got hit though, I thought it was my bag, Lol.
KiWiStyle
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What products did you use? What was your technique? Where you trying to have curls or just stretching?
Cattypus1
All loced up...
Well, I was trying to stretch. I saw a youtuber who stretched and did a twistout on the stretched curls. I think I just left some of the cowash Condish in. I'm going to try using some Nairobi setting lotion next time. I didn't like the fuzziness of the curls. What did you use for your DD?
The other problem I noticed was my ends. They looked awful coming out of the curl formers. I think the May be too short.
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KiWiStyle
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The first time I set using CF, I used all glycerin free products. After shampoo, I used KCKT and Paul Mitchell Super Skinny Serum because she was wearing her curls. Didn't last longer than a day which was fine with me. She slept in them and let me tell you, her 4c hair was so soft and straight!! Like I blow dried, flat ironed and curled it.
The next time was for stretching only and I only used the KCKT leave in and dried under the Pibbs. I bunned it and did a double strand twist the next day. The set wasn't a good as it was using the PM SSS but it was still soft and nicely stretched.
Her ends are in decent condition now because I've been snipping off about 1/4-1/2 every couple months. They were in awful shape, splits all the way up the shaft and just thin and breaking at a rapid speed. I believe she lost a lot of length when I eliminated the comb...tangles and knots galore on the ends. To get her length back I vowed to: keep her hair stretched, use our Sangemann combs and never stop using clay.
KiWiStyle
Realtor & Foodie
@Cattypus1 I think the key is setting on wet hair but not sopping wet hair, using very small sections. I use all 20 easily on DD and her hair isn't dense. I do quadrants and place 5 rods in each one. The Nairobi SL should work just fine, just be easy on your products so your set stays soft and not weighed down because you'll be using more products to twist. I dilute kckt and it works great to detangle and smooth. LOVE IT!
guudhair
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I want to try CF too. Since I hennaed today, I didn't and put four sad flat twist in. I will next wash.
I'm trying my best to use up that flaxseed gel but that stuff just won't go down. I'm making the oatmeal one whenever it does and will let you know how it is.
I'm trying my best to use up that flaxseed gel but that stuff just won't go down. I'm making the oatmeal one whenever it does and will let you know how it is.
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faithVA
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You look 4b too me. I consider myself a 4b. I think most people that say they are 4c are really 4b. However, I have seen a few heads that make me think 4c hair is real. It's rare but I've seen it. It could be that it is just super dry but not ruling out the possibility.
KiWiStyle
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I totally agree! I've come to the conclusion that people who thought/think they're 4c are really 4b. Sometimes I think I'm one of the few real 4c heads here. I think 4b hair when hydrated will have obvious definition without product. My hair will not define without a curl defining product.
Cattypus1
All loced up...
Thanks, I'm going to give that a try.
Cattypus1
All loced up...
Full (modified) MHM today. Got my CLT on right now.
Step 1 - CLT - 2 tbs BS, Almost 2 tbs AA (end of the bottle), 2 cups FF Greek yogurt
Step 2 - DC with warmed NG Herbal Blends, Detangle and plait, hothead
Step 3 - rhassoul clay 4 tbs, 1-2 tbs raw honey, capful of ACV, 1/2 - 3/4 cup of warm AVG
Step 4 - TBD
Update: found an old friend and a new tool for my arsenal-if you like warm Condish, this lotion warmer does the trick!
Step 1 - CLT - 2 tbs BS, Almost 2 tbs AA (end of the bottle), 2 cups FF Greek yogurt
Step 2 - DC with warmed NG Herbal Blends, Detangle and plait, hothead
Step 3 - rhassoul clay 4 tbs, 1-2 tbs raw honey, capful of ACV, 1/2 - 3/4 cup of warm AVG
Step 4 - TBD
Update: found an old friend and a new tool for my arsenal-if you like warm Condish, this lotion warmer does the trick!
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GGsKin
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Finally washed my hair last night. I decided to dabble with those fenugreek seeds I bought, but that is another story.
I almost passed out in the shower, for how long I was rinsing that stuff out. I slept with conditioner in my hair. I needed this added step to ensure the grains were removed by the time my wash was completed.
This morning, I washed it out and applied my clay. By the time I rinsed it out, all grains were gone
. I oil rinsed with grapeseed and sunflower oils and I'm back to my diluted KCCC
- I really do love this stuff.
OAN this gel really does elongate my coils. It's the most probable reason for my reduced shrinkage.
I almost passed out in the shower, for how long I was rinsing that stuff out. I slept with conditioner in my hair. I needed this added step to ensure the grains were removed by the time my wash was completed.
This morning, I washed it out and applied my clay. By the time I rinsed it out, all grains were gone
. I oil rinsed with grapeseed and sunflower oils and I'm back to my diluted KCCC- I really do love this stuff.OAN this gel really does elongate my coils. It's the most probable reason for my reduced shrinkage.
KiWiStyle
Realtor & Foodie
That's pretty cool!
discodumpling
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Well ladies I bought my braiding hair so I MUST braid LOL! Or more accurately I must twist. My plan is to rock these twists for 8 weeks and return to MHM in the fall. See y'all when the weather turns cooler or before if I start to miss my curls too much!
faithVA
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I've seen your hair and I don't think you are 4c either. Even with our lack of definition I still think we are 4b. I think our hair doesn't retain moisture for whatever reason which is our issue. We have curls we just can't hold onto them.
faithVA
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I washed again last night. It took all I had to make myself do it I did a hot oil treatment while I was cutting the grass. Then eventually I took out my flat twist and did a water rinse and detangled. I added some water and clay to my previous mix of water, clay, oil and avg. I put the clay on and massaged it into my scalp really well. I was going to let it sit but I was ready to be done. So I just let it sit on each section while I worked through the others. Then I rinsed. It looks like my curls are returning after all of that shampooing but I'm washing in 6 sections so it isn't down very long.
I'm really just going through the motions right now. I'm not trying to figure out if certain combinations are working for me or not. Just trying to get my hair finished quickly on wash day. I do know my hair is doing better than it ever has. Even with no conditioner, I can pretty much just put my hair up with some oil or a oil blend and it does just fine.
I did a hot oil treatment while I was cutting the grass. Then eventually I took out my flat twist and did a water rinse and detangled. I added some water and clay to my previous mix of water, clay, oil and avg. I put the clay on and massaged it into my scalp really well. I was going to let it sit but I was ready to be done. So I just let it sit on each section while I worked through the others. Then I rinsed. It looks like my curls are returning after all of that shampooing but I'm washing in 6 sections so it isn't down very long. I'm really just going through the motions right now. I'm not trying to figure out if certain combinations are working for me or not. Just trying to get my hair finished quickly on wash day. I do know my hair is doing better than it ever has. Even with no conditioner, I can pretty much just put my hair up with some oil or a oil blend and it does just fine.
KiWiStyle
Realtor & Foodie
I don't know about that but maybe you're right... I'm not wasting a lot of time trying to figure it out anymore either. All I know is my hair stays wet all day after washing and gel styling, so it must be holding on to the moisture. I did my hair on Wednesday and hadn't realized until Sunday that it was time to wash again so my coils are staying longer. I'll just continue to be patient and see what my hair does as it grows out.
KiWiStyle
Realtor & Foodie
I washed again last night. It took all I had to make myself do it
I'm really just going through the motions right now. I'm not trying to figure out if certain combinations are working for me or not. Just trying to get my hair finished quickly on wash day. I do know my hair is doing better than it ever has. Even with no conditioner, I can pretty much just put my hair up with some oil or a oil blend and it does just fine.
Ever sense I relaxed and started just going through the motions, I have for the first time started to really enjoy my new natural hair journey. I had to learn to chill out too!
Its funny you mentioned overuse of shampoo. I think my hair is reacting just the opposite. I've been using a chelating shampoo weekly and my hair and products respond so well afterwards. Even with using gel only after my clay step and occasionally using Oyin Greg Juice, its near impossible for moisture to penetrate my hair with conditioner washes and water rinses. I've been rotating using chelating shampoo and cleansing conditioner weekly. Yesterday I used Joico Color sulfate free shampoo in place of the Redken chelating shampoo and like the results. Its kinda interesting because it sudsed, I was under the impression that sulfate free shampoos don't have suds. Anyhoo, cheers to a stress-free hair regimen.
KiWiStyle
Realtor & Foodie
I finally took the time to order Naturelle Grow conditioners! I ordered Herbal blends, Cucumber Melon and Protein Free Marshmallow root, slippery elm bark & Cinnamon. I can't wait to try them on DD and myself. My hair loves conditioner as long as its post wash and pre clay treatment.
Honey Bee
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I use shampoo once, sometimes twice, a week and my hair seems happy. I've never gone through shampoo this fast in my life.
Oan, I finally got the Shea Moisure Curl.... cream- thing?
OMG. Not only is my hair over half dry within three hours(!), but my curls are a.ma.zing. Why ain't nobody telllllllll me??! 
KiWiStyle
Realtor & Foodie
I use shampoo once, sometimes twice, a week and my hair seems happy. I've never gone through shampoo this fast in my life.
Oan, I finally got the Shea Moisure Curl.... cream- thing?
We have to do what's best for our hair...I'm just hoping I don't notice any negative effects after longterm and regular use. So far I'm seeing an improvement.
Which SM curl enhancing cream...the coconut/hibiscus...one??? If so, I tried it early on in this journey and I remember freaking out about it and taking it back.
Honey Bee
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I was a Wen head in my relaxed days. I started shampooing way more often during my transition, I don't know why, it just felt like something I should be doing.
It might be the fineness of my hair. I don't think fine hair likes cw'ing, too much build-up.Yaaaaasssss, that's what I'm talking about.
Why did you take it back?
GGsKin
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discodumpling
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Guess what ladies? It's Wednesday & i'm still not twisted up! I blame the kids! I am at home for a week, and the plan was to twist cause I had the time. But my children have other plans for me. Monday we went hiking and got lost in a mosquito filled forest, Tuesday we went to the American Museum of Natural History...we need to go back cause we saw less than 1/2 of the exhibits! Today will be the Bronx Zoo...ain't no bodies hair gettin' done!
Without shame i've been wearing my wng AND the fact that my hair can now be slicked back into a ponytail with minimal effort really doesn't help. Once my hair does that I just get even lazier with her...daily water, leave-in, gel, ponytail. Same as MHM except I use a scarf (& occasionally some GREASE!) to lay my hair down in submission.
Without shame i've been wearing my wng AND the fact that my hair can now be slicked back into a ponytail with minimal effort really doesn't help. Once my hair does that I just get even lazier with her...daily water, leave-in, gel, ponytail. Same as MHM except I use a scarf (& occasionally some GREASE!) to lay my hair down in submission.
faithVA
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Why are you trying to twist your hair up? Maybe I missed it.
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