MHM Hangout

KiWiStyle said:
I did a conditioner/vegetable glycerin prepoo mix for my DD and had her shower without a cap. Talk about soft!! At which step did you brush, before step 1 or during step 2? Did you do the BS/ACV cleanse for step 1? @Cattypus1
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I used some Ouidad Clarifying shampoo to clarify for step 1 and I used the brush in step 2 with the deep conditioner. I should have gelled immediately after the clay and I think my results might have been picture-worthy. I'm going to do it again, probably next weekend...
On second thought, I may get started tonight since I work from home tomorrow. I'll take pics when I do...:)
 
discodumpling said:
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Fully dried and as wild as I wanna be! I've been using the same clay mix for a couple of washes now and except for smelling like salad dressing during the process it works perfectly.
Clay: 2 tblsp of rhassoul ACV, Water, nourishing oils. Applied with an applicator bottle so y'all know how watery it was!
Leave in - Aphogee Provitamin Gel- SuperWet.
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I wish my hair would look like that fully dried...is your hair soft?
 
pelohello said:
Very important question. Has anyone used either product? And if so, what do u think?


My main question is, what is the shelf life of aunt jackie gel? There is a best by printed on the jar but it's too smeared to read. I don't plan on using the product until aug/sep.
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Can you share the ingredients? Thanks!
 
discodumpling said:
I'm so glad we are having this discussion regarding combs and combing. Right now at this length and thickness a comb is not necessary for me. Detangling is still a breeze with conditioner under the shower. BUT i'm totally open to the idea that as I gain some length and thickness it might be necessary.
I started my MHM myway routine last night with an over night protein treatment. @aharri23 words were ringing in my ear so I brought along my Hercules Sagemann (sp) rake. I can't tell you how unecessary that was to MY process. It was the same 6 hairs that come out every time! LOL! All I did was destroy my curls and y'all know it takes work to reclump! I do concede that combing my length AND curls out allowed for a more even trim. I made 6 twists and snipped off the last curl or two, before applying my overnight protein treatment. Now i'll rinse and add my clay for 1/2 hr (at least) rinse and style and get on with my Sunday...lord knows what these folks gon eat up in here, cause I haven't bought it yet!!
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Yeah, combing would destroy my clumps too. I'm so jelly though of those of you who can use Denman brushes, combs, and rakes and not see all your hair falling out and declumped lol! I must have the finest hairs in the world. I have to finger detangle, but I have to take my time and do it clump by clump so I find I don't end up with tangles.
 
pelohello said:
I think you should be able to moisturize her hair fine even though you applied a serum. I use gel or SM curl smoothie to set my hair with the curlformers. For a moisturizer I use water mixed with allafia leave in. And I've had no problems. What kind of moisturizer do u plan to use?
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Thanks @pelohello! I use Camille Rose Almond Jai Twist butter, her hair soaks everything up. I don't want to use a liquid based moisturizer or to use water because I don't want her hair to coil up and tangle on itself. I only used the serum because I needed her hair to get really straight which it did. In the future I just plan to use the leave in and twist butter to set just to stretch her hair and put it up again. Does the gel make your set hard?
 
Cattypus1 said:
I used some Ouidad Clarifying shampoo to clarify for step 1 and I used the brush in step 2 with the deep conditioner. I should have gelled immediately after the clay and I think my results might have been picture-worthy. I'm going to do it again, probably next weekend...
On second thought, I may get started tonight since I work from home tomorrow. I'll take pics when I do...:)
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@Cattypus1 ohhh, I can't wait to see pics! I should really be taking notes from you, how often do you clarify?
 
After watching @aharri23 video I realized that I needed to properly detangle my hair and so I busted out my combs. I got an obscene amount of shed hair out. I'm going to use the comb to detangle every 4 weeks for now. My hair feels so much softer as a result.

I don't think my hair will clump so I'm just going to follow this thread in order to pick up more techniques and tricks for attaining and retaining moisture.
 
I have not done a conditioning steam treatment in months. This morning I decided to do a water rinse, apply the Tresamme Perfectly undone conditioner with argan oil and steam DC for a few minutes prior to applying my clay mix. I honestly think there is a portion of my hair on the back/sides that are not being hydrated well because its a lot less porous than the rest of my hair. My cuticles are really struggling to open enough on its own and I really don't want to use BS so I'm going back to basics even more so.

I'm looking forward to getting out the TWA phase so that I can focus less on definition and more on retaining length.
 
KiWiStyle said:
Thanks @pelohello! I use Camille Rose Almond Jai Twist butter, her hair soaks everything up. I don't want to use a liquid based moisturizer or to use water because I don't want her hair to coil up and tangle on itself. I only used the serum because I needed her hair to get really straight which it did. In the future I just plan to use the leave in and twist butter to set just to stretch her hair and put it up again. Does the gel make your set hard?
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The gel gives me a slight hold. If I don't use gel, my hair will fluff up in a couple of days. With the gel my hair last for 2wks. I prefer watery gels, like botanical gels or FSG. When I was relaxed I used to use eco styler but it left my hair too hard. With watery gels I can brush through my hair without breakage.
 
Holla4mom said:
Can you share the ingredients? Thanks!
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The ingredients aren't too good:cry3:. But I like the way it made my hair look :)
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Aqua, Glycerin, Carbomer, Aminomethyl Propanol, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Linum Usitatissimum Seed Oil, Potassium Sorbate, Polyvinylpyrrolidone, Polysorbate 20, Parfum, EDTA, Magnesium Nitrate, Phenoxyethanol, Polyaminopropyl Biguanide, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Magnesium Chloride, Methylisothiazolinone, Limonene, Hexyl Cinnamal, Linalool, Amyl Cinnamal, Butylphenyl Methylpropional

Ingredient Attributes: moisture, no silicones
 
I'm really off schedule and not sticking to the every 3 days. I need to get back on track. Yesterday was 5 days and I didn't even wash it then. I just water rinsed and twisted my hair up with a balm. Surprising my hair looks really good. I'm going to try to wash on Wednesday.
 
pelohello said:
The gel gives me a slight hold. If I don't use gel, my hair will fluff up in a couple of days. With the gel my hair last for 2wks. I prefer watery gels, like botanical gels or FSG. When I was relaxed I used to use eco styler but it left my hair too hard. With watery gels I can brush through my hair without breakage.
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Thanks! The next time I need to set her hair for style oppose to stretching it, I'll try using gel instead of serum. Maybe I'll do a test run one day.
 
Last night I water rinsed and used a clay mix of; water, rhassoul (3 scoops), c.bentonite (1 scoop), ACV, and 1tsp of silk amino acids. The mix was around 14oz and just the right amount to saturate my hair.


I last washed my hair on Friday, so shed hair was at an all time low this time round:toocool:. This is why I'd love to keep my washes to every 2-3days. It makes finger detangling/ removing hair so much easier.

@Holla4mom the clay had my hair and scalp feeling clean as usual. I didn't feel any residue or build up. So far so good.

Now I just need to notice some growth, especially at my crown. I trimmed/ dusted at the beginning of May, and I haven't touched the scissors again, but to snip the occasional Ssks I feel.
Wet/ damp hair this morning, with gel. 2015-06-01_13.45.47.jpg
 
June 1.jpg Life has been insane and I found myself doing the a kind of hybrid MHM modified and curly girl routine which basically means it is either clay way and leave in or co-wash and leave it. I was skipping the gel because I have been wearing an afro puff (picked out for maximum fullness) or a bun. The good news is that I have been able to stretch to five days as long as I mist it twice a day with oil and water.

Today I had a little time and thought I would do a cherry lola the follow the completed regimen here is my hair 70% dry with flaxseed gel. I was surprised that even though I have been lazy about my hair it still curls to the root.


****um sorry about the size having trouble doing the whole upload thing
 
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Ok, do I did the MHM again using the Ouidad Clarifying shampoo for step 1.
NG Mango and Coconut Water for step 2. I detangled with my brush and plaited my hair, baggied and went to bed.
Rhassoul Clay mixed with aloe Vera juice, raw honey, a tsp of ACV and about 2 Tbs of warm water for step 3.
Rinsed and applied CR Curl Maker and a bit of Curl Milk on top for step 4. image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg
I was trying to add a pic to show my shrinkage which is massive. It's funny, I think the more hydrated my hair is the more it will shrink because it is super coily. It won't let me add another pic, I guess I've reached my quota. Anyway, my hair is in great shape, never better...it just looks like crap when I'm trying to style it.
 

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Cattypus1 said:
Ok, do I did the MHM again using the Ouidad Clarifying shampoo for step 1.
NG Mango and Coconut Water for step 2. I detangled with my brush and plaited my hair, baggied and went to bed.
Rhassoul Clay mixed with aloe Vera juice, raw honey, a tsp of ACV and about 2 Tbs of warm water for step 3.
Rinsed and applied CR Curl Maker and a bit of Curl Milk on top for step 4. View attachment 328209View attachment 328211View attachment 328215
I was trying to add a pic to show my shrinkage which is massive. It's funny, I think the more hydrated my hair is the more it will shrink because it is super coily. It won't let me add another pic, I guess I've reached my quota. Anyway, my hair is in great shape, never better...it just looks like crap when I'm trying to style it.
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It looks great
Totally agree about the shrinkage when pulled straight my hair is at APL when curly it does not even touch my shoulder
 
KiWiStyle said:
I have not done a conditioning steam treatment in months. This morning I decided to do a water rinse, apply the Tresamme Perfectly undone conditioner with argan oil and steam DC for a few minutes prior to applying my clay mix. I honestly think there is a portion of my hair on the back/sides that are not being hydrated well because its a lot less porous than the rest of my hair. My cuticles are really struggling to open enough on its own and I really don't want to use BS so I'm going back to basics even more so.

I'm looking forward to getting out the TWA phase so that I can focus less on definition and more on retaining length.
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I have been wary of bs from the beginning, but I did the CLT every two weeks (as prescribed for hi po heads) and, I will not lie, I've seen improvement every time. As you may or may not remember, I've always had definition in every part of my head other than the crown/ bang area. I see improvement whenever I do a CLT but I'm careful not to over do it.

Just wanted to share. The bad stories are from people who used BS several times a week. That's too much to me.
 
Cattypus1 said:
Ok, do I did the MHM again using the Ouidad Clarifying shampoo for step 1.
NG Mango and Coconut Water for step 2. I detangled with my brush and plaited my hair, baggied and went to bed.
Rhassoul Clay mixed with aloe Vera juice, raw honey, a tsp of ACV and about 2 Tbs of warm water for step 3.
Rinsed and applied CR Curl Maker and a bit of Curl Milk on top for step 4. View attachment 328209View attachment 328211View attachment 328215
I was trying to add a pic to show my shrinkage which is massive. It's funny, I think the more hydrated my hair is the more it will shrink because it is super coily. It won't let me add another pic, I guess I've reached my quota. Anyway, my hair is in great shape, never better...it just looks like crap when I'm trying to style it.
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Gorgeous! My hair does the same...the areas that are more hydrated coil a d shrink much better than the areas that are struggling. I love coily!!! I've been eyeballing the CR curl maker since I BC but haven't tried it. I bought it, came home and read reviews here in this thread and online and returned it without trying it. That and AVJ are on my wish list.
 
Honey Bee said:
I have been wary of bs from the beginning, but I did the CLT every two weeks (as prescribed for hi po heads) and, I will not lie, I've seen improvement every time. As you may or may not remember, I've always had definition in every part of my head other than the crown/ bang area. I see improvement whenever I do a CLT but I'm careful not to over do it.

Just wanted to share. The bad stories are from people who used BS several times a week. That's too much to me.
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Thanks @Honey Bee for telling your experience! I used BS a lot in the beginning and didn't have stellar results, my hair improved some and then just stopped so I cut it again. I lime the CLCT and will use BS during those times as well but my hair apparently prefers commercial hydrolyzed proteins much better. I still may occasionally do the original mhm with BS.
 
KiWiStyle said:
Thanks @Honey Bee for telling your experience! I used BS a lot in the beginning and didn't have stellar results, my hair improved some and then just stopped so I cut it again. I lime the CLCT and will use BS during those times as well but my hair apparently prefers commercial hydrolyzed proteins much better. I still may occasionally do the original mhm with BS.
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So does mine, but my hair is very fine so I wasn't really surprised. I still use Emergencee on occasion. :look:
 
Ok. So I water rinsed this morning. After I got out of the shower the water was sitting on top of my hair, as several people pointed out earlier. There were actual beads of water at the top of my head. I've started using a moisturizer since I think I need it and I slathered it on so it could be seen. It reacted as I suspected and it absorbed within 30 min.

Do you think it's possible that my saturation level isn't that big so it absorbs some water but doesn't want to absorb a lot?

I've also noticed in the past that my hair isn't fond of water. If I mist with water only it doesn't feel as soft as water and conditioner mixed. Or clay mixed with water doesn't feel as moisturizing as clay and coconut milk.

I feel like I'm missing something...
 
snoop said:
Ok. So I water rinsed this morning. After I got out of the shower the water was sitting on top of my hair, as several people pointed out earlier. There were actual beads of water at the top of my head. I've started using a moisturizer since I think I need it and I slathered it on so it could be seen. It reacted as I suspected and it absorbed within 30 min.

Do you think it's possible that my saturation level isn't that big so it absorbs some water but doesn't want to absorb a lot?

I've also noticed in the past that my hair isn't fond of water. If I mist with water only it doesn't feel as soft as water and conditioner mixed. Or clay mixed with water doesn't feel as moisturizing as clay and coconut milk.

I feel like I'm missing something...
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My girlfriend does water rinsing with a bit of oil and her twists are just awesome

Meanwhile on my hair it looks like a limp noodle initially and dries to straw ugg. I find misting with oil/water or oil/conditioner where I do not spray my hair directly but like above works best and I kind of rub it into my ends lightly helps me maintain much better but once it is wet because wet I have to do more to keep the water in because it dries out really fast. I also find this method is allowing my scalp to produce more oil I guess or maybe it is diet but daily head massages seems to keep my roots really moisturized.

As for the clay for me it depends on the clay but generally speaking I find less clay (rounded tablespoon) more water (6-8 oz) and a little oil (2 tablespoons) does just as well as coconut milk. The oils also make a difference my hair loves JBCO, apricot, olive, grapeseed, almond, argon and it hates all things shea, coconut and palm can be questionable - I think there is something about palm processing.
 
Ajna said:
My girlfriend does water rinsing with a bit of oil and her twists are just awesome

Meanwhile on my hair it looks like a limp noodle initially and dries to straw ugg. I find misting with oil/water or oil/conditioner where I do not spray my hair directly but like above works best and I kind of rub it into my ends lightly helps me maintain much better but once it is wet because wet I have to do more to keep the water in because it dries out really fast. I also find this method is allowing my scalp to produce more oil I guess or maybe it is diet but daily head massages seems to keep my roots really moisturized.

As for the clay for me it depends on the clay but generally speaking I find less clay (rounded tablespoon) more water (6-8 oz) and a little oil (2 tablespoons) does just as well as coconut milk. The oils also make a difference my hair loves JBCO, apricot, olive, grapeseed, almond, argon and it hates all things shea, coconut and palm can be questionable - I think there is something about palm processing.
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Thanks @Ajna for your feedback. I'd posted earlier what my hair looks like with the thicker and thinner clay mixes on it...with and without clarifying my hair.

https://www.longhaircareforum.com/threads/mhm-hangout.744625/page-135#post-21384243
https://www.longhaircareforum.com/threads/mhm-hangout.744625/page-135#post-21384831

I'm not sure if it's a porosity issue or a product issue? For what it's worth, I think my hair gets wet quickly when I wet it during a wash. It used to take a lot of time. But even still, looking at the pictures and seeing it in the mirror it doesn't seem like it's really wet, just holding the water on top. But as I said my moisturizer absorbs very quickly....????
 
snoop said:
Thanks @Ajna for your feedback. I'd posted earlier what my hair looks like with the thicker and thinner clay mixes on it...with and without clarifying my hair.

https://www.longhaircareforum.com/threads/mhm-hangout.744625/page-135#post-21384243
https://www.longhaircareforum.com/threads/mhm-hangout.744625/page-135#post-21384831

I'm not sure if it's a porosity issue or a product issue? For what it's worth, I think my hair gets wet quickly when I wet it during a wash. It used to take a lot of time. But even still, looking at the pictures and seeing it in the mirror it doesn't seem like it's really wet, just holding the water on top. But as I said my moisturizer absorbs very quickly....????
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Sorry I missed the pics from before.

Ok I am having a geek moment it looks like your hair is literally repelling water! Very cool!

Let me read through all of your posts but I am thinking you have not found your method within the method - which for me is part technique and part product.
 
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