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I've been doing a messy bun with some Good Hairdays pins. Basically I pull it back like I'm gonna use a claw clip, twist, and let it make a loose loop against my head. Then I just use the Good Hairdays pins to hold it in place. Its not tight or pulling at all, and over the course of the day it stays in place very well.
That's kind of how I do mine. I don't use a band or a scrunchie or anything...I just pull my hair toward the back of my head, leaving a swoop bang to cover my fivehead, and make little randomly placed pincurl-type things and secure them with U-shaped hairpins (not bobby pins because they break my hair). It's really cute and when I take out the pincurls, I have bouncy curls the next day. I will have to take a pic this weekend because I am sure that explanation made zero sense.
I've been doing a messy bun with some Good Hairdays pins. Basically I pull it back like I'm gonna use a claw clip, twist, and let it make a loose loop against my head. Then I just use the Good Hairdays pins to hold it in place. Its not tight or pulling at all, and over the course of the day it stays in place very well.