Korean BSS Topic Agains: Black-owned Entrepreneur Interviews

JeterCrazed said:
They are not donating. I'm Dayum.g they are paying taxes in communities where they are a minority.

That is NOT true about designers. There is an All-black vouge magazine. Their first all-black issue was the first time vogue had to re-print. Ever. Everything in the magazine was black. Even the Barbie dolls. Black models are in demand.

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Don't get me started on Barbie. I had a field day with Mattel 2 weeks ago. Ya'll notice they don't really make dark skinned Barbies anymore? You don't see too many of em anymore....they are racially ambiguous looking.

They have the So In Style dolls...but something about each doll coming along with a kid (which is supposed to be a little sibling) doesn't sit right with me.

Idk...maybe i need to take off the 3D glasses or something.
 
SmilingElephant said:
:grin:

I can't help it...i couldn't even sleep last nite. I keep thinking about how other races keep taking advantage of our people. It all started with that dang thread in the OT Forum about Afrocentricity.....really great thread!:yep:

Things i never really thought about...like how we aren't even taught our real history in our schools....nothing but slavery, Dr.MLK, Rosa Parks and the rest of the crew comes to mind when i think about what i was taught about Black history. And we are sooooo conditioned to the Europeanized way of things...we have accepted them as OUR norm...when we don't even fit in the category whatsoever.

I tried really hard not to let me going natural turn me into one of thos afrocentric types:lol:...but its hard when you really THINK about what has been done to our people. It makes me very sad...but very happy at the same time to KNOW what we really are made of...and what we are capable of.

Look at the damn pyramids in Egypt!

*sips drink*
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This is me exactly. Went to be at 5:23 am this morning. And going natural didn't make me this way. I was always this way. I will say be getting older, more mature, and being a more conscious consumer has aided but going natural was a result of all these things (and other things) for me. It's very micro and macro. I mean there have been so many "studies" lately on black marriages, black children, and black wealth/income gaps and we wonder why. It's not hard. We worked together 100 years ago a lot more than we do now. It makes me so sad every time I hear "I got mine, go get yours" or "it's not my responsibility to help black people" but if our ancestors had that attitude we'd still be 3/5ths of a person. Every other culture makes sure they take care of and look out for their best interests, why don't we?
 
Tiye said:
I didn't read the whole thread but it's unclear whether this proposed "buy black" challenge is a proposed boycott against Korean owned bss - or all non-black purveyors of hair care tools and products. Because the struggle to successfully own and operate a black owned beauty supply business is not just about Korean store owners and distributors.

No bss carries everything. So why aren't black bss owners stocking up on products by black manufacturers. And how does it change much if a black person takes their business away from Korean distributors and switches dependency to Chinese manufacturer's instead?
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That's what my aunt said. Everyone has a right to do business with who they want. It is highly possible to stock a beauty supply store on black owned only products, but be honest. That's not how black people consume.

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SmilingElephant said:
Ya'll check this out:shocked:

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showpost.php?p=8496112&postcount=215

Lipstick Alley is feelin this movement too!:
http://www.lipstickalley.com/f38/attn-enchanted-vs-curly-nikki-341298/index15.html
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:lachen: LSA is so dramatical. they slay me. for the record, i love Curly Nikki and dont see a problem with her partnership with NC.com.

Not that this matters but I know her husband and they are a wonderful family. I trust that they wouldn't do anything unseemly and I know that at least he has the same thoughts on black businesses. so yeah.
 
SmilingElephant said:
Don't get me started on Barbie. I had a field day with Mattel 2 weeks ago. Ya'll notice they don't really make dark skinned Barbies anymore? You don't see too many of em anymore....they are racially ambiguous looking.

They have the So In Style dolls...but something about each doll coming along with a kid (which is supposed to be a little sibling) doesn't sit right with me.

Idk...maybe i need to take off the 3D glasses or something.
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_z7GdthQ3IBg/StXL5bbugdI/AAAAAAAAA9c/sc445Z9ktVc/s320/black-barbie.jpg
Considering that I'm lightskinned, I never even noticed what color a Barbie was until my mom bought me a black one.

I remember on Amazon, white people were mad that the black Louboutin Barbie cost more than the white. :lol: The reason was the cost of the coloring. I was cracking up, like, "are they really pulling the race card right now? " SMH

Here's a flip side.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/black-barbie-sold-white-barbie-walmart-store/story?id=10045008

I don't spend at Walmart for a multitude of reasons, but becasue a doll is black, she can't go on clearance unless she brings her white friends... Are we valued by an artificially colored polyurithane doll?

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JeterCrazed said:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_z7GdthQ3IBg/StXL5bbugdI/AAAAAAAAA9c/sc445Z9ktVc/s320/black-barbie.jpg
Considering that I'm lightskinned, I never even noticed what color a Barbie was until my mom bought me a black one.

I remember on Amazon, white people were mad that the black Louboutin Barbie cost more than the white. :lol: The reason was the cost of the coloring. I was cracking up, like, "are they really pulling the race card right now? " SMH

Here's a flip side.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/black-barbie-sold-white-barbie-walmart-store/story?id=10045008

I don't spend at Walmart for a multitude of reasons, but becasue a doll is black, she can't go on clearance unless she brings her white friends... Are we valued by an artificially colored polyurithane doll?

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Giiiiirl....i'm light skinned too...but go to the actual Barbie.com site. Look at the Black dolls.....i saw the ones in the first pics....but they aren't even offered on the site...i'm talking about your everyday Barbie Doll...not them top notch collectables.....even in their DIY program where you can customize your Barbie...they have 2 black dolls right....one with natural hair and black colored lips and the other one had straight hair...that straight haired one was the ONLY dark skinned doll i saw on that website. And i believe its the same one from the So In Style collection.

YET! They had 5 different variations of a White blonde haired Barbie. As diverse a Black ppl are tho. Why the one doll had to have big black lips? :whyme:
 
I digress...didnt' i say don't get me started on Barbie?:lol: I have SO many issues with Mattel lol...like why don't they have a little Black girl in some of their commercials...as the star of the commercial?

Did anyone ever seen that episode of Life in the Fab Lane where Kimora had to MAKE them make a more ethnic looking Barbie to look more like her and they acted like they couldn't do it...but they did it?

Anyway...back to this BSS business....what are we gonna do. are we just going to watch where we put our money? I would really like to boycott...but how...when i don't know of any Black owned BSS's near me? How can we do this? I know i'll continue to get my Shea Moisture, Kinky-Curly stuff from target and walgreens:yep:...but what are YOU all gonna do? I wish the black owned product companies we buy from online would be available in stores bc not all of us can always afford them high shipping prices:nono:
 
I'm bout to get ready to head to my microbiology class....yes...the clostridium botulinum is a threat against the Black race...:look:....:rofl: i'm playin!

I'll be back later!
 
SmilingElephant said:
Giiiiirl....i'm light skinned too...but go to the actual Barbie.com site. Look at the Black dolls.....i saw the ones in the first pics....but they aren't even offered on the site...i'm talking about your everyday Barbie Doll...not them top notch collectables.....even in their DIY program where you can customize your Barbie...they have 2 black dolls right....one with natural hair and black colored lips and the other one had straight hair...that straight haired one was the ONLY dark skinned doll i saw on that website. And i believe its the same one from the So In Style collection.

YET! They had 5 different variations of a White blonde haired Barbie. As diverse a Black ppl are tho. Why the one doll had to have big black lips? :whyme:
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You do realize that we are a minority... Should it be split 50/50?
I was listening to a discussion on npr about crayons and how there should be more shades of brown so they can color their families and own faces. Race is an adult issue. Children have no idea about these racial issues until they're polluted by adults. I was doing fine with the peach and brown crayons.

I have heard this many times before. People had always asked in my industry how many times a white person got a job over me. The answer at the time was never because up until 2009, I got every job I interviewed for. I am not victimized. I don't know why people feel that way. You should see the Indians and Chinese clinging to me in class cuz I'm the only black woman in there, I guess. Whoa!! Don't come mooching notes off me! Has nothing to do with their race, I don't do oneway streets. If you have nothing to offer, get your A off somebody else. I'm the first person to rally for a cause, but follow the proper channels. The race card can't be played first on every hand.

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SmilingElephant said:
I digress...didnt' i say don't get me started on Barbie?:lol: I have SO many issues with Mattel lol...like why don't they have a little Black girl in some of their commercials...as the star of the commercial?

Did anyone ever seen that episode of Life in the Fab Lane where Kimora had to MAKE them make a more ethnic looking Barbie to look more like her and they acted like they couldn't do it...but they did it?

Anyway...back to this BSS business....what are we gonna do. are we just going to watch where we put our money? I would really like to boycott...but how...when i don't know of any Black owned BSS's near me? How can we do this? I know i'll continue to get my Shea Moisture, Kinky-Curly stuff from target and walgreens:yep:...but what are YOU all gonna do? I wish the black owned product companies we buy from online would be available in stores bc not all of us can always afford them high shipping prices:nono:
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Hm. Maybe we can start by contacting Black owned BSSs and ask them if they would be willing to carry more product diversity on top of encourage their Black customers to not support Asian BSSs. If they want to get involved, then they also need to reach out to companies like Kinky/Curly and Miss Jessie's and inquire about carrying their products in their stores. We as consumers can reach to those companies and ask them to support Black BSSs. We as consumers can stop buying from Asian BSS.
Also, other than just being a way to support Black business, there needs to be another incentive for shopping at a Black owned BSS. A lot of people don't want to fix something that, in their minds, doesn't appear to be broken. We already know that the prices won't be cheaper. That's all I can think of right now.
 
Tiye said:
I didn't read the whole thread but it's unclear whether this proposed "buy black" challenge is a proposed boycott against Korean owned bss - or all non-black purveyors of hair care tools and products. Because the struggle to successfully own and operate a black owned beauty supply business is not just about Korean store owners and distributors.

No bss carries everything. So why aren't black bss owners stocking up on products by black manufacturers. And how does it change much if a black person takes their business away from Korean distributors and switches dependency to Chinese manufacturer's instead?
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But is there a market for it outside of the online blogging, forum, Youtube, world? This wasn't the case when I was in the Bay Area, but I rarely see a natural head or even non-weave head where I live now. The only black owned "natural" hair care product I can buy on the ground is Shea Moisture and only when they finally came to Walgreens. There's what Whole Foods carries (4 WF stores in my city), so I guess I should count that.

I only went to a BBS to buy shea butter, but now that's got to stop - back to buying it online.

I guess my point is, not everyone lives in an area where there's a large Black population where there's a market for Black owned products. We have three or four Asian BSS in my city with 6.0% Black population, but I've seen EVERYONE (white, Latino, etc) shopping there as well as us. <thinking out loud>
 
JeterCrazed said:
No. She is not.

http://www.longhairdontcare.net/long_hair_dont_care-deleted-20090628-muftz/2009/08/beverly.html
Let's nip that rumor in the bud.

ETA: I agree w/ everything else :lol:

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Thanks :lachen: I just remember everyone talking about Nikko's cousins and Nikko was a white guy or something :lol: My bizzad.



About the companies such as Shecentit having their products sold in other locations-in some sense, it is up to the company to be selective about which venues that she wants to have her product sold at. Maybe she wants to exclusively sell her product at her store? It is her right to do that to preserve whatever image she wants of her brand. For instance, you can't buy Gucci at Walmart.

And that is only one reason. There are so many reasons why companies pick and choose who they do business with.
 
SmilingElephant said:
I'm not saying not to use these sites.....i'm just asking...where is OUR money really going? Is it helping Black businesses?
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Yes! The retail store buys products from the black owned haircare company at a discount. Then they raise the price to make a profit. Everyone wins.
 
I'm all for a boycott.

I thought I'd post links to the documentary and post online commentary after it was released. I think this will provide a lot background info for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msY2S3wdFVY


http://community.essence.com/forum/topics/black-hair-the-korean-takeover

There is an association for black owned beauty supply stores. It's BOBSA:

http://bobsa.org/

More commentary:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2598179/posts

http://www.blackinformant.com/uncategorized/taking-back-the-black-hair-care-industry
 
On page two of six but I'm not sure if this has been mentioned. Paynesbeautysuppply has an online store. Black owned. Maybe an alternative to no black bss in your area is shopping online at black owned bss.

excuse my typos i hate it as much as you.
 
SmilingElephant said:
That needs to change!!! And whydonate to schools that have nothing to do with your people?

Case and point...Brian McKnight is an alumni of my high school tha i graduated from....i don't ever remember hearing of him donating to our school when our ceilings started caving in and leaking, and we had rodent problems due to the 2004-05 hurricane season.

They leave their communities behind. What the hell are we going to college for? I understand we need to better ourselves as individuals and be educated. You can have all the degrees in the world but you still a nobody if you don;t know how to utilize your achievements to give back to where you came from.

Help your community! Help your family! Help your neighbor! Lets support each other yo.

Stop all this "Gucci, Louis,Prada" ish....don't nobody care about a :blush:in' Gucci! I don't give a Fendi!:lol:....these designers barely even wanna use us in their adds and on their runways! Let's put more of our money back into our community...let's help our widows, fatherless children, our poor, our hungry....let's do this for real...something HAS to be done!
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the talented tenth. Gotta love Du Bois.
 
Mo to the... said:
This is me exactly. Went to be at 5:23 am this morning. And going natural didn't make me this way. I was always this way. I will say be getting older, more mature, and being a more conscious consumer has aided but going natural was a result of all these things (and other things) for me. It's very micro and macro. I mean there have been so many "studies" lately on black marriages, black children, and black wealth/income gaps and we wonder why. It's not hard. We worked together 100 years ago a lot more than we do now. It makes me so sad every time I hear "I got mine, go get yours" or "it's not my responsibility to help black people" but if our ancestors had that attitude we'd still be 3/5ths of a person. Every other culture makes sure they take care of and look out for their best interests, why don't we?
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Racists whites screamed in 2009 at tea parties, "We need to take our country back" well I propose in 2011 we as black people need to take our haircare industry back. We are the only people on this planet with this type of hair, the only people! Who knows what is best for black hair except for other people with-black hair?


That is why that typef stuff rubbed me the wrong way. Too many people always looking to exploit the black community. Damn shame. If they were successful, how could any independent blogger compete with a force that produced 4-5 videos a day? SMH
 
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ms-gg said:
Thanks :lachen: I just remember everyone talking about Nikko's cousins and Nikko was a white guy or something :lol: My bizzad.



About the companies such as Shecentit having their products sold in other locations-in some sense, it is up to the company to be selective about which venues that she wants to have her product sold at. Maybe she wants to exclusively sell her product at her store? It is her right to do that to preserve whatever image she wants of her brand. For instance, you can't buy Gucci at Walmart.

And that is only one reason. There are so many reasons why companies pick and choose who they do business with.
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THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT IS HAPPENING.
Did you know that Walton Corp was sued by LVMH for selling Fendi knockoffs at Sam's Club? :lachen: LVMH directly controls their distribution. Companies do this as a distributor under their own corporate umbrella. I hear the same thing from black clothing owners that Gucci won't sell to them. If you can't build a relationship with LVMH, AND you're outside their targeted market, they don't wanna talk to you. Race is a coincidence.

Nikko is the tech support guy and I believe he is Greek. Apparently, others thought it necessary to jump on my response to you as if they knew what you meant. Whether you meant LHCF or CurlyNikki, they are both black.
 
I'm reading this and trying to figure out where to buy my hair for braiding. It is not fair that we use the products but cannot benefit financially from it. If we were to boycott, it would not only be black Americans that needs to boycott, we would need black people from all over to participate - black Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Cubans and the like. With organized effort it can be done - stop patronizing one shop and so on and so on and it can/would make a difference. We are not saying we need to take over but give us a bone. Furthermore, I can't believe threatening behavior is tolerated in today’s business environment in the United States, if so, is it also perpetuated in other businesses?
 
http://www.tnj.com/archives/2006/april2006/cover_story.php

About Sundial Group, LLC:

Consisting of three operating units; Sundial Creations, Sundial Stores and Sundial Brands, the Sundial Group, LLC was founded in 1992 to address the personal care and lifestyle needs of multi-cultural consumers. Starting out as street vendors in New York City, partners Richelieu Dennis (Chief Experience Officer) and Nyema Tubman (President) have been at the forefront of creating culturally authentic, natural and organic lifestyle products for 16 years. Since its inception in 1991, they have grown from selling Body Oils, Incense, Shea Butter and Black Soap on city sidewalks on the streets of New York into the Sundial Group, LLC with more than 70 Team Members, a 50,000 sq. ft. state of the art manufacturing facility in Long Island, 6 of its own retail stores, 12 brands under management with retail partners across the country and internationally.

http://www.importgenius.com/importers/sundial-brands-llc

I don't see them complaining... These are successful black people without hangups, nagging, whining...

They are the same people who brought us Nubian Heritage- a pretty good product sold on street corners in Newark and Whole Foods alike. Punchanella...
 
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