Keratin Treatment Support Thread

[sheba1]

Sheba,
you said you wear your hair in wash n go's/curly most of the time, do you have to use alot of different styling products to get that defined curly look, or are you using a little or none at all? I bought Golshee BKT and after hearing all these great things about Soft-liss I'm thinking I should have ordered Soft-Liss instead. TIA

Hi there, Lucia! I use some version of the curly primer method described at www.tightlycurly.com. The differences being I do it daily, I do not use a denman to define my curls (I use nothing, just shake and go).

I use a smoothing conditioner like she describes in the method. I let the water weigh my hair down after I cowash with a cheapie con and then smooth Aussie Sidney Smooth all throughout my hair. I then squeeze out any excess water/conditioner and hop out of the shower. I rub black n sassy cream set throughout my hands and peice through my curls and pulling here and there. Again I squeeze out excess, shake and go. The whole process takes no time.. 5 minutes maybe? 8 including cowash? My hair responded really well to this process this summer.

You know, I think all the BKTs do pretty much the same thing. I don't know of Goleshee but as long as the company seems reputable I think you'll be fine.

I know a lot of ladies like the Softliss (I bought some also but have not yet used) but I have Global 2% and enjoy it just fine. In fact, I've often wondered if Softliss might get my hair too straight to enjoy the curly styles I've enjoyed throughout this summer.

My early wash-n-go, right after bkt looks like this:




But as the weeks go on my curls get tighter and tighter and it looks more like this:

I used the Porosity control once I didnt really see a difference. I dont think I used it correctly though. I used it before the conditioning so that may have been the problem and I didnt DC with heat. Ok, spill about the wale sperm and the silicon mix. . I am going to wash tommorrow. Pray for me that my hair comes out good. For now I'll try those ones you suggested from Sallys.

Girl, all I can say about that Whale S and Silicon Mix is that I will not stop using it, ever! My hair has never felt like this. Even my nails have improved since incorporating these two products!

Today my hair was completely dry and I asked my bf to stretch my hair for a mini length check and he couldn't resist playing all up in my hair first and saying, "oooh it's so soft!" hahaha He's never behaved that way before! Rubbing all down into where my scalp is and whatnot... lol he was having a field day, I tell you! Girl, get you some! roundbrushhair.com. I think I've seen the Silicon Mix at amazon.com, also. Have never seen Whale S anywhere before though... like anywhere ever.

Oh and another question have you roller set since the BKT? Do you have to dry, flat iron and then roller set or can you do a wet set even though the hair is slightly wavey. Thanks for all your help. My mom says I am OBSESSED about my hair. But I cant help it. I just need to find a good routine.

Why, yes I have!! I did traditional roller set in the front but got lazy and did a ponytail set in the back. No flat iron at all for pretty much smooth, straight hair. I did a roller set followed by silk wrap. Came out nice! Made a thread about it: 4a/b roller set and silk wrap post BKT (pics)

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Hi there, Lucia! I use some version of the curly primer method described at www.tightlycurly.com. The differences being I do it daily, I do not use a denman to define my curls (I use nothing, just shake and go).

I use a smoothing conditioner like she describes in the method. I let the water weigh my hair down after I cowash with a cheapie con and then smooth Aussie Sidney Smooth all throughout my hair. I then squeeze out any excess water/conditioner and hop out of the shower. I rub black n sassy cream set throughout my hands and peice through my curls and pulling here and there. Again I squeeze out excess, shake and go. The whole process takes no time.. 5 minutes maybe? 8 including cowash? My hair responded really well to this process this summer.

You know, I think all the BKTs do pretty much the same thing. I don't know of Goleshee but as long as the company seems reputable I think you'll be fine.

I know a lot of ladies like the Softliss (I bought some also but have not yet used) but I have Global 2% and enjoy it just fine. In fact, I've often wondered if Softliss might get my hair too straight to enjoy the curly styles I've enjoyed throughout this summer.

My early wash-n-go, right after bkt looks like this:
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View attachment 40724

But as the weeks go on my curls get tighter and tighter and it looks more like this:
View attachment 40720


Girl, all I can say about that Whale S and Silicon Mix is that I will not stop using it, ever! My hair has never felt like this. Even my nails have improved since incorporating these two products!

Today my hair was completely dry and I asked my bf to stretch my hair for a mini length check and he couldn't resist playing all up in my hair first and saying, "oooh it's so soft!" hahaha He's never behaved that way before! Rubbing all down into where my scalp is and whatnot... lol he was having a field day, I tell you! Girl, get you some! roundbrushhair.com. I think I've seen the Silicon Mix at amazon.com, also. Have never seen Whale S anywhere before though... like anywhere ever.



Why, yes I have!! I did traditional roller set in the front but got lazy and did a ponytail set in the back. No flat iron at all for pretty much smooth, straight hair. I did a roller set followed by silk wrap. Came out nice! Made a thread about it: 4a/b roller set and silk wrap post BKT (pics)

I pulled the Silicon Mix out of my PJ stash, it's perfect for the BKT because BKT likes cones and keratin!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Roots are soft and easy to flat iron to shinny straight on low heat but that doesn't help me since I don't use heat while I'm working out.

 

[Lisa]

WOW!! It has taken me 2 days but I've finally finished this thread. You ladies make me SICK!!!

I REALLY shouldn't be spending anymore money but I've decided to get the softliss kit in chocolate (maybe next week erplexed). I had been going to the Dominican salon but only for ~4-6 weeks. I had been getting the silicon or the goat's milk conditioner and I hadn't noticed any breakage. The last time I went I got the 12 in 1 and BOY did I have breakage after that. It has taken me ~4 weeks to get the breakage under control. It took me 3 weeks to realize I had probably overdone the protein and needed moisture.

Do you think it would be OK to do the Softliss treatment now (when I've just slowed the breakage or should I wait a few weeks?). I should say that I am about 8 weeks post and and seriously thinking about transitioning. However, I've been very indecisive.

I bought the mixed chicks but since my hair is relaxed and fine it looked thin and it had very little curl (so I've been using it to roller set...so far so good). I would love to have more curl definition and to transition. I would also LOVE to wash and go! So I'm hoping BKT would give me that kind of versatility but I'm looking for some advice!!

HELP!!

Any advice?

 

[lwilliams1922]

Hi there, Lucia! I use some version of the curly primer method described at www.tightlycurly.com. The differences being I do it daily, I do not use a denman to define my curls (I use nothing, just shake and go).

I use a smoothing conditioner like she describes in the method. I let the water weigh my hair down after I cowash with a cheapie con and then smooth Aussie Sidney Smooth all throughout my hair. I then squeeze out any excess water/conditioner and hop out of the shower. I rub black n sassy cream set throughout my hands and peice through my curls and pulling here and there. Again I squeeze out excess, shake and go. The whole process takes no time.. 5 minutes maybe? 8 including cowash? My hair responded really well to this process this summer.

You know, I think all the BKTs do pretty much the same thing. I don't know of Goleshee but as long as the company seems reputable I think you'll be fine.

I know a lot of ladies like the Softliss (I bought some also but have not yet used) but I have Global 2% and enjoy it just fine. In fact, I've often wondered if Softliss might get my hair too straight to enjoy the curly styles I've enjoyed throughout this summer.

My early wash-n-go, right after bkt looks like this:
View attachment 40718
View attachment 40722
View attachment 40724

But as the weeks go on my curls get tighter and tighter and it looks more like this:
View attachment 40720


Girl, all I can say about that Whale S and Silicon Mix is that I will not stop using it, ever! My hair has never felt like this. Even my nails have improved since incorporating these two products!

Today my hair was completely dry and I asked my bf to stretch my hair for a mini length check and he couldn't resist playing all up in my hair first and saying, "oooh it's so soft!" hahaha He's never behaved that way before! Rubbing all down into where my scalp is and whatnot... lol he was having a field day, I tell you! Girl, get you some! roundbrushhair.com. I think I've seen the Silicon Mix at amazon.com, also. Have never seen Whale S anywhere before though... like anywhere ever.



Why, yes I have!! I did traditional roller set in the front but got lazy and did a ponytail set in the back. No flat iron at all for pretty much smooth, straight hair. I did a roller set followed by silk wrap. Came out nice! Made a thread about it: 4a/b roller set and silk wrap post BKT (pics)

Sheba when are you planning to try the softliss?

I would love to hear a comparison on the softliss vs global.

I have global and I was planning to try softlisss but I'm on the fence because the global works soooo much better when I used less.

I dont really mind waiting a few days with the treatment in so I guess price/value is something I need to establish before I shell out more money.

 

[sheba1]

Welcome Lisa I think you'll be ok if you really focus on moisture until your softliss arrives and then give it a go. I think you've chosen a fabulous product in the softliss.

Hey there Lwilliams! I will probably use the Softliss on my next treatment. I can't say how many weeks that will be, however. I'm hoping 6 to 8 weeks from now, but I'm somewhat playing it by ear on that.

 

[Lucia]

Silicon Mix is 1 of the greatest conditioners EVER!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

You mean you just apply, wash out and blow dry, and it works?

Could this be the answer to my hair prayers? It would be even better than my earlier wish for products (shampoos, conditioners, leave-ins, etc) with which you could gradually bond keratin to your hair.

Girl, you should have stocked up and then come to sell to the rest of us.

Can we get a translation of the instructions

 

[Lucia]

Can we get a translation of the instructions

Did you find a link to it online if so I could translate the instructions. Can we buy it, it sounds much simpler

 

[Lucia]

Hey I found these @ Sally's:

nano silver flat iron
http://www.sallybeauty.com/flat-iron/JILBRE37,default,pd.html

root detailer
http://www.sallybeauty.com/Jilbere-Root-Iron/SBS-345283,default,pd.html?cgid=Hair09-06

Do you ladies think this nano flat iron is about the same as a babyliss?

 

[blissy]

BKT Gurus!

Question for all. Does anyone do the "touch-up/just roots" application of BKT? I want to keep my curlies in the length but the roots are poofy. I've had lots of growth with BKT. Whoo Hooo!

What is everyone doing? The entire shaft or just roots. Please share.

 

[MissMeWithThatIsh]

WOW!! It has taken me 2 days but I've finally finished this thread. You ladies make me SICK!!!

I REALLY shouldn't be spending anymore money but I've decided to get the softliss kit in chocolate (maybe next week erplexed). I had been going to the Dominican salon but only for ~4-6 weeks. I had been getting the silicon or the goat's milk conditioner and I hadn't noticed any breakage. The last time I went I got the 12 in 1 and BOY did I have breakage after that. It has taken me ~4 weeks to get the breakage under control. It took me 3 weeks to realize I had probably overdone the protein and needed moisture.

Do you think it would be OK to do the Softliss treatment now (when I've just slowed the breakage or should I wait a few weeks?). I should say that I am about 8 weeks post and and seriously thinking about transitioning. However, I've been very indecisive.

I bought the mixed chicks but since my hair is relaxed and fine it looked thin and it had very little curl (so I've been using it to roller set...so far so good). I would love to have more curl definition and to transition. I would also LOVE to wash and go! So I'm hoping BKT would give me that kind of versatility but I'm looking for some advice!!

HELP!!

Any advice?

To be honest, I won't tell u if you should or shouldn't BKT... it all depends on your personal decision and I'd hate to be responsible for giving you a disastrous result. BKT strengthens hair.. but if someone does it wrong it can/may backfire...

AS far as more curl definition and wnG, no treatment can restore a curl once it's been processed out. Once it's processed out, you have to work with what u have... and grow out the natural... when u are fully natural however, you MAY be able to have a "texturized" looser patterned look with BKT as it wears with time...

 

[MissMeWithThatIsh]

Hey I found these @ Sally's:

nano silver flat iron
http://www.sallybeauty.com/flat-iron/JILBRE37,default,pd.html

root detailer
http://www.sallybeauty.com/Jilbere-Root-Iron/SBS-345283,default,pd.html?cgid=Hair09-06

Do you ladies think this nano flat iron is about the same as a babyliss?

I just bought that flatiron today... I haven't BKT'd yet, but I will let you know if I have good results. IT came with a free blowdryer (which I needed)

 

[lwilliams1922]

BKT Gurus!

Question for all. Does anyone do the "touch-up/just roots" application of BKT? I want to keep my curlies in the length but the roots are poofy. I've had lots of growth with BKT. Whoo Hooo!

What is everyone doing? The entire shaft or just roots. Please share.

My length is wavy but my new growth is a mess. I'm going to do an application just on the roots tomorrow.

 

[sheba1]

BKT Gurus!

Question for all. Does anyone do the "touch-up/just roots" application of BKT? I want to keep my curlies in the length but the roots are poofy. I've had lots of growth with BKT. Whoo Hooo!

What is everyone doing? The entire shaft or just roots. Please share.

I've never done a "just roots" application, but I know Brittany does them. She BKTs every month and sometimes does the touch-up/just roots. I find I am able to do the full length of the hair when I do a BKT but I like to wait until my hair is just about BKTless before I reapply. I like to "stretch" or behave as though I have a relaxer, in a way. Right now, I'm trying to stretch my BKT 3 months, even if it means braiding my hair up and wigging it for a while.

I find, with the 2% Global, it's like my curl pattern relaxed a bit but goes all the way back to my previous curl pattern before I reapply so it always loosens to just about the same place. My hair has not gotten any looser than 3c-ish even after 4 BKTs done on the full length of hair.

You can see a vid of Brittany's just roots app here.

 

[angenoir]

My Softliss was delivered this morning before I came to the office.
I feel like ripping out these braids to try it.... But I will waiti till next weekend. I will just take down a few braids and do a strand test to see how it holds up for a week.
My hair is very very fine and I am scared... yet very eager tot ry this.

Wish me luck!

 

[sheba1]

Good luck, Angenoir! Let us know if you need anything!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I've never done a "just roots" application, but I know Brittany does them. She BKTs every month and sometimes does the touch-up/just roots. I find I am able to do the full length of the hair when I do a BKT but I like to wait until my hair is just about BKTless before I reapply. I like to "stretch" or behave as though I have a relaxer, in a way. Right now, I'm trying to stretch my BKT 3 months, even if it means braiding my hair up and wigging it for a while.

I find, with the 2% Global, it's like my curl pattern relaxed a bit but goes all the way back to my previous curl pattern before I reapply so it always loosens to just about the same place. My hair has not gotten any looser than 3c-ish even after 4 BKTs done on the full length of hair.

You can see a vid of Brittany's just roots app here.

I would like to do a root treatment only but I don't want to do a clarifying shampoo on my whole head before I do my roots. How could I do that? :scratchch

 

[AtlantaJJ]

I think I want to try the 4% to compare to the Softliss. My hair is lovely but my roots... I needs something stronger for my roots...

Any one want to sell an once or so of Global 4% ? I'd like to try before I buy the big bottle.

 

[blissy]

For my last application I used the softliss brand which loosened my texture quite a bit versus rejeuvenol. The length of my hair hasn't returned to its normal texture pattern and my new growth is quite thick. Thank you Sheba1 for the youtube link; it was Brit who took this idea to a possibility. Do you think she worries about overlap? Hmm? Do you think we should worry about the junction between the two textures?

My length is wavy but my new growth is a mess. I'm going to do an application just on the roots tomorrow.

oooo Lwilliams,

Please let me know how this goes. .

 

[angenoir]

Are there any relaxed ladies who did the BKT using Softliss?

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Are there any relaxed ladies who did the BKT using Softliss?

I am, I love it, my hair feels like silk!! (the textlaxed hair) My roots laughed at my last application. My hair feels so fabulous otherwise. And is shinny and so smooth to the touch. Even my roots are better its just that they are different. I wear my hair pulled back a lot so you can see the difference. If I wore my hair down it wouldn't matter as much. In fact I would like it because it gives my hair body.

My frizzy textlaxed hair dries bone straight, silky with body with the BKT on it.

ETA: I would like to attempt a 6 mo stretch before I retouch.

 

[angenoir]

I am, I love it, my hair feels like silk!! (the textlaxed hair) My roots laughed at my last application. My hair feels so fabulous otherwise. And is shinny and so smooth to the touch. Even my roots are better its just that they are different. I wear my hair pulled back a lot so you can see the difference. If I wore my hair down it wouldn't matter as much. In fact I would like it because it gives my hair body.

My frizzy textlaxed hair dries bone straight, silky with body with the BKT on it.

ETA: I would like to attempt a 6 mo stretch before I retouch.

Thanks for your input AtlantaJJ. I really want to strecth my relaxer and I am about 3 months post now. I want to stretch till Dec at least. However, I have very fine strands and breakage and dyrness is always a problem for me. I am really interested in the BKT because I have heard and read of strenghtening qualities and that is what is really pulling me to it.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Thanks for your input AtlantaJJ. I really want to strecth my relaxer and I am about 3 months post now. I want to stretch till Dec at least. However, I have very fine strands and breakage and dyrness is always a problem for me. I am really interested in the BKT because I have heard and read of strenghtening qualities and that is what is really pulling me to it.

I have fine, feather weight cottony hair (when natural) BKT has given my hair strength and weight. My hair appears thicker even though I am relaxed I have no regrets.

My one caution for you, if your hair is currently dry or breaking, try to get it under control before you BKT. My protein / moisture balance was perfect when I did my first BKT and I keep it that way. Try a conditioner with ceramides in it, that makes my hair feel like silk and it makes it strong. Biolage has some conditioners with them in there. I highly recommend them. Also after you get the BKT you need to maintain your protein moisture balance. Its pretty easy after you get the BKT.

ETA: I have hand in hair disease today!

 

[angenoir]

Thanks. No my protein moisture balance is on point right now. Just that my hair has the tendency to be dry and break when the balance is off and since my hair is fine, I have to take extra care.

Hey your hair sounds just like mine - fine and cottony and very soft....

I will take your advice and make sure my hair is in perfect before I BKT.

Which DCs (protein and moisture) are you using after the BKT?
And what relaxer are using? I am phyto relaxed but I used Index II when I should have used index I which is why I am giving my hair a long stretch before I touch-up.

I have fine, feather weight cottony hair (when natural) BKT has given my hair strength and weight. My hair appears thicker even though I am relaxed I have no regrets.

My one caution for you, if your hair is currently dry or breaking, try to get it under control before you BKT. My protein / moisture balance was perfect when I did my first BKT and I keep it that way. Try a conditioner with ceramides in it, that makes my hair feel like silk and it makes it strong. Biolage has some conditioners with them in there. I highly recommend them. Also after you get the BKT you need to maintain your protein moisture balance. Its pretty easy after you get the BKT.

ETA: I have hand in hair disease today!

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Thanks. No my protein moisture balance is on point right now. Just that my hair has the tendency to be dry and break when the balance is off and since my hair is fine, I have to take extra care.

Hey your hair sounds just like mine - fine and cottony and very soft....

I will take your advice and make sure my hair is in perfect before I BKT.

Which DCs (protein and moisture) are you using after the BKT?
And what relaxer are using? I am phyto relaxed but I used Index II when I should have used index I which is why I am giving my hair a long stretch before I touch-up.

I relax with Mizani Butter Blends Mild, I use the entire system. I use Sebastian Cellophanes about 2 weeks before my BKTs to cover my gray and to give me that beautiful black berry / cinnamon blend color that I love.

Co-wash with Yes to Carrots, or Trader Joes Nourish Spa, or that Vitamin conditioner. When I shampoo I use MillCreek Biotin or Keratin shampoo. I DC with keratin based conditioners MillCreek with a little extra keratin added and lately I've been using Bioloage Biolage Hydratherapie as my moisture. I'm going to try Silicon Mix on my next wash, I think that will be great! My hair seems to like things with light cones and protein now...

After I wash I use Joico Reconstructor spray leave in and I seal with a touch of EV Coconut oil. I don't use heat right now I wrap and air dry or dry on low under the soft bonnet dryer.

I workout a lot and sweat so the BKT wears off my roots faster than the length of my hair.

Oh and I use the Pantene wrap & set spray for my wrap.

 

[angenoir]

Did a patch test today! I like the results. My hair is very soft and strong and smooth. Still have not decided when I will do my whole head but it will be soon I hope.
I will be watching that patch to see how it behaves over time

 

[lwilliams1922]

For my last application I used the softliss brand which loosened my texture quite a bit versus rejeuvenol. The length of my hair hasn't returned to its normal texture pattern and my new growth is quite thick. Thank you Sheba1 for the youtube link; it was Brit who took this idea to a possibility. Do you think she worries about overlap? Hmm? Do you think we should worry about the junction between the two textures?




oooo Lwilliams,

Please let me know how this goes. .

i did the root touch up this morning with 4% global.

I pooed once with the global poo then once with the clarifying poo that came with the QOD Gold. I could tell my hair was clean but not really stripped as I expected.

I applied with a color brush about an inch of the roots. I then used a fine tooth comb to comb it to coat the strands. Any excess I just let go on to the length of my strands.

I think I used a tad bit over an ounce (It was too early for me to measure exactly though).

I then blew it dry using the tention method. I flat ironed the roots 1-2 inches 10 times and went the length of each piece once or twice.

I have to say the process was a lot easier than I anticipated. The BKT acts as a protectant so I didn't have to worry about over lap and I didn't apply much heat to the length of the hair that didn't need it.

I'm VERY happy with the process and I think I will do the roots once a month and the length every 2-3 months.

 

[*fabulosity*]

i did the root touch up this morning with 4% global.

I pooed once with the global poo then once with the clarifying poo that came with the QOD Gold. I could tell my hair was clean but not really stripped as I expected.

I applied with a color brush about an inch of the roots. I then used a fine tooth comb to comb it to coat the strands. Any excess I just let go on to the length of my strands.

I think I used a tad bit over an ounce (It was too early for me to measure exactly though).

I then blew it dry using the tention method. I flat ironed the roots 1-2 inches 10 times and went the length of each piece once or twice.

I have to say the process was a lot easier than I anticipated. The BKT acts as a protectant so I didn't have to worry about over lap and I didn't apply much heat to the length of the hair that didn't need it.

I'm VERY happy with the process and I think I will do the roots once a month and the length every 2-3 months.

4% .. how were the fumes??

 

[chicacanella]

Is There A List of Shampoos and Conditioners that Are Keratin Safe?

I heard only certain products...something about sodium free (blah,blah, blah) can't be used.