I saw heaven
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Nice Lady
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Heaven and hell is a real place. So, it reminds of John the Baptist issuing warnings because at anytime our lives can be ended. It would horrible to be publicly doing the right thing, but privately belong to the 
2 “Turn away from your sins,” he said, “because the Kingdom of heaven is near!”
2 “Turn away from your sins,” he said, “because the Kingdom of heaven is near!”
Crucible
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After listening to the first 45-50 mins.(it is a long video) I think he is speaking from his mind or experience, but that is not to say that I am convinced it is spiritual reality. I hope I'm clear... I believe some folks have various "spiritual like" experiences that are not heavenly or godly. That is, some are just personal experiences. I'm not sure about his experience. What are your impressions of his testimony?
Choclatcotton
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Roberts Liardon, 2001[edit]
Pastor and Pentecostal historian Roberts Liardon is the founder of Embassy Christian Center and Spirit Life Bible College in Irvine, California stepped out as pastor of his congregation after admitting to a moral failure involving a short term homosexual relationship with his church youth minister, John Carette. Liardon took a three-month leave of absence from Roberts Liardon Ministries to seek counseling and undergo a process of restoration. The scandal devastated many of Liardon's followers, students and missionaries who left the church, bible college and ministry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...vangelical_Christians#Roberts_Liardon.2C_2001
Pastor and Pentecostal historian Roberts Liardon is the founder of Embassy Christian Center and Spirit Life Bible College in Irvine, California stepped out as pastor of his congregation after admitting to a moral failure involving a short term homosexual relationship with his church youth minister, John Carette. Liardon took a three-month leave of absence from Roberts Liardon Ministries to seek counseling and undergo a process of restoration. The scandal devastated many of Liardon's followers, students and missionaries who left the church, bible college and ministry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...vangelical_Christians#Roberts_Liardon.2C_2001
Nice Lady
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That may have happened but he publicly acknowledged it and repented. So, there's no story. It's under the blood. As I was growing (and still am), in 2005, I read a couple of his books....It reminds us that the devil is always seeking to destroy our witness. I am happy he decided not to stay in his stuff for years...That itself makes a huge difference....
Amour
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I am really not sure. I can't wrap my head around it.
I feel that I believe it but then it seems the worldly/ thinking part of me stops me.
I have been fortunate enough to have attended one of his services and I do believe he is a spirit filled/ led man of God.
Amour
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I was sad to read that but as Nice Lady said it is under the blood. I found an interview where I believe he addresses it:
There are talks among Christians that there was some kind of dark period in your life…
True, true…
What helped you to go through all of this and do you use this experience to serve other people now?
Yeah, I had a dark time about ten-twelve years ago. I went through a tough personal thing and Oral Roberts, the board and my family came together to help me to overcome it. I took time to make sure I was restored, to make sure I was ready to go. They were supporting me and made sure I can do it. It makes me aware of certain things, more aware of my humanity, it makes me kinder to other folks that go through stuff. When you go through something then all of a sudden you become like: I know how that feels. There were certain things I couldn’t relate to before and I know you don’t have to go through trouble to relate but it does help. Now when somebody walks up to me in a prayer line and they say this and they say that, my attitude is totally different. So yeah, it does help and hopefully people can look at me and say: if he can make it, I can make it. If he could through, I can too. And then history – use my generals thing – everybody you read about should not have made something, they all went through something. According to tradition, according to social and cultural taboos they shouldn’t have made it but why they made it? Because they didn’t give up. And so whatever you are going through – keep going. Go THROUGH it, don’t stop in the middle of it. So yeah, it’s true and I am happy I am now on the other side of it. Talking about it doesn’t bother me, so it’s OK.
So what helped you to go through this – were there some specific things?
My family and my covering prayed with me, walked with me, giving more time to focus on me and taking my attention off of the ministry for a season to focus on me, to get me stronger, to get me back on my feet, the way it should be in my thinking. So that was it. And also learning just to rest and to let the Word heal and let the strength in you to become alive and not be worried about the ministry. The gifts and the cause without repentance are always there. So I had to take my mind off of that and to focus on me, so it could all work together again. So I did that. And my covering was a great blessing – praying with me, walking with me and helping me in those things. It was tough but it was good.
blazingthru
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At first I was not going to comment, but there are many things that are popping up that are taking people off of the real thing they should be focusing on. Which Satan is so good at is making people loose focus and eventually their very soul. So no, I will not be listening to this. As everyone knows I have spoken many times on heaven and hell, the bible is our example and who saw heaven for real? very, very few people and how was their relationship with God and the Holy Spirit. Ok... so really!!! in my opinion this is another way to get off track. Remember this one thing Christian are going to be destroying other Christians believing they are doing a service for God and God says they do not know him. AT ALL!! that is a stumbling block.
John 16
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 “These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you[a] because they have not known the Father nor Me. 4 But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.
And these things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.
John 16
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 “These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you[a] because they have not known the Father nor Me. 4 But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.
And these things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.
gn1g
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I don't really want to talk about it here.
Amour
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I ask with a sincere heart and ignorant of this matter, mind; why exactly do you perceive/ believe this to be a stumbling block?
I'm really confused. As I said previously I don't know what to think. Does the bible tell us this is impossible? Do u feel liardon is not worthy enough to be given this opportunity (not sure that's the right word.) These are not rhetorical questions.
JaneBond007
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The irony of his surname? 
Well, I do hope he is well and progressing up the mountain.
Well, I do hope he is well and progressing up the mountain.
blazingthru
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My apologies, I didn't realize that it sounded so harsh. I can't answer the question the best way because i didn't listen. So I will not be able to expound on anything that was said in the message, so I probably should not even commented, but this is the thing, the bible is our example. You have to be full of the Holy Spirit to see into heaven. Full! John saw into heaven through a vision, which in my opinion means he was there, I think he was in spirit form, but forgive me I haven't had a moment to look it up. Stephen saw heaven, he saw the spirit of God and Jesus at his side. But he was so full of the Holy Spirit his face glowed. If these were our example how in the world can we, being full of sin, see into heaven, let alone visit and come back. And, for what purpose? so we can tell the world what we saw? When God has already told us. No, it contradicts the message that Jesus left us. He is coming back to take us to heaven with him. We are not going to just arrive. We need the key and that is Jesus.
blazingthru
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When I say its a stumbling block, because most folks can't get pass certain things and in the end they cannot stand in the fight. Its a fight to remain a christian the world pull is so, so strong. If your not grounded in Christ you will end up believing anything. People run after so many foolish things such as the boy who went to heaven and return and the man who went to hell. I mean really! They could not keep the books on the shelves so many were swooping it up. When the bible tells us that when we die we sleep and then there is judgement. That judgement comes at the end of the world.
