They work with me, but only by using clips to secure them. i do not think its wise to tie your bun with a band. this restricts the ends and stresses em out BIG TIME. also, the heavy oil thing, has only worked with me when my hair is heat strightened. when i airdry my hair is a completely different texture, much softer and wirey, so i dont risk it. if i do use oil i use a medium oil such as Le Kair - Castor Oil after i have used my keracare hydrating moisturiser. this keeps my ends nice and slick and compact in the morn, so i can easily do my donut bun (without the foam, the foam tried 2 drink all the moisture). i noticed more breakage usin heavy oils on my ends then ever before. but only good when my hair was blowdryed (as it was more tough and straight).