Has Anyone Ever Read This About Prayer"?

chicacanella

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Hey everyone,

I read something interesting on a website and I was wondering what you all thought.

I was reading in Daniel that the day he humbled himself and began to seek understanding, his prayers were heard.

Daniel 10
Then he continued, "Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. 13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days.

Yes, I believe God hears all prayers but I also believe that certain things can hinder our prayers. I have to find more scriptures on this but hopefully you will understand. Anyhow, I found an intersting website and I want you all to pray and ask God if this is true or not? I will do so also.

Please, write back.

Here is the site:
http://worldtrumpetmission.org/downloads/teachings/1_-_Opening_Portals__Of_Prayer.pdf
 
WORLD TRUMPET MISSION – PRAYER TEACHINGS
SERIES – COMBAT IN THE HEAVENLIES
1- “OPENING PORTALS OF PRAYER”
Ephesians 6:10-13
Finally my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of
God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Because we wrestle not against
flesh and blood but against principalities and powers, and against the rulers of the darkness of this
world and against spiritual wickedness in high places. Therefore, take unto you the whole armor of
God that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

In this session, we want to focus on the use of our spiritual armor and on what happens when we
pray. In our day, many Christians believe the Bible, but they don’t see a place for spiritual armor. They
read about these weapons of warfare. They love to talk about them. But you ask them,” When did you
last put on your weapons of warfare? Do you know how to use them? Do you know how to apply
them in your day-to-day walk?”

And many Christians don’t even know one from the other. This is not the plan of God. Apostle Paul
wrote to the Corinthians and said,” I don’t want you to be ignorant of spiritual things, lest the devil take
advantage of you.” There are some things, if we don’t care to know about them, the devil will take
advantage of us. Now we cannot go into a full discussion of the spiritual weapons and how to use
them. In Uganda, when we have the opportunity to just handle this alone, we put aside a week to
learn and then to apply. “God, it is not just knowledge we want; we want to walk with it in life. We want
to be over-comers”.

I want to share with you from a testimony of someone who was saved, someone who had been
serving the devil. And when that man gave his testimony, it so challenged me; I did not want to
believe it. I had to go ten days before the Lord in fasting, asking Him,” Lord, is this true?” And it was at
that time that the Lord began to teach me what happens in the spiritual realm when we pray.

This man was born after his parents dedicated themselves to Lucifer. When he was still in the womb,
they made so many rituals dedicating him to serve Lucifer. When he was four years old, he began to
exercise his spiritual power. And his parents began fearing him. When he was six years, his father
surrendered him to the witches to go and be trained. And by ten years, he was doing great things in
the kingdom of the devil. The normal witches feared him.
 
He was still a young boy, but he was so terrible in the things he did. He grew up to be a young man in
his twenties with so much bloodshed on his hands. He killed at will. He had the ability to go out of his
body through transcendental meditation. And he could levitate. Sometimes his body would lift off the
ground and stay in the air. And sometimes he could go into a trance, and come out of his body; his
body would remain behind, and he would go out into the world, called astro-travelling. And this guy
was used by Satan to destroy so many churches, to break down so many churches and to destroy so
many pastors.

One day, he was assigned to destroy a church that was so full of prayer. There were so many
divisions in this church, and so many confusions. And he began to work on this church. But at that
time, the pastor called a fast for the whole church. And the church began to fast, and during the
fasting, there was a lot of repentance and a lot of reconciliation. And the people came together, and
they began to pray for the work of the Lord in their midst. And they continued interceding and crying to
God to have mercy and intervene in their lives. And as they days went by, this man was coming again
and again with demon spirits against this church. But there was a word of prophecy that came telling
the Christians to rise up and to wage warfare against the powers of darkness that were attacking the
church.
 
The rest of the story is in the link. I'm only half way through the article and it's giving me chills. I'm a big skeptic and doubter so I must definitely pray and ask God if this is true. Not knowing until I ask God, I do believe there is some truth to this, but whether it's true or not, there's still a lot to be said for prayer. My pastor is very prayer based and prayer focused.
 
That was quite a read...On the train on the way home tonight I randomly opened up to read Eph., the same portion that was quoted in the article. I know I definitely do not pray often enough, or with proper intensity/devotion. And I hardly know anything about spiritual warfare. I'm looking forward to read some of you ladies reactions.
 
yea this was quite a read...thanks for posting

ETA: Soooo is anyone thinking about asking God for a few days about this...I know we are to be aware of false doctrine and examine it very close with scripture, ask Holy Spirit to teach us...
 
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Couple of Scriptures on Prayer

Proverbs 15:29
The LORD is far from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous.

This is pretty much self-explanatory.

2 Chronicles 7:14-15 (King James Version)



14If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 15Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

To me, this says that there are some things we have to do even as Christians even if we want God to hear our prayer. But this is in the old testament and I believe he is talking to the Hebrews but for some reason I still believe this applies to us even now. If you look at v.15, God says, "Now, my eyes shall be open and my ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place."
Psalm 34:15 (King James Version)


15The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.

Self-explanatory IMO.

Isaiah 1:15
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Finally, we have this scripture in Isaiah where the tribe of Judah (?) have yet again done wrong and God says that he will hide his eyes from them and when they pray, he WILL not hear, for their hands are full of blood. This is not saying that God can not hear them but that he makes the decision to not hear them, meaning that if this decision will result in their prayer being unanswered...and their hands are full of blood of innocent victims. - NIV

We've been discussing the many prayers that God answers and I think there were like six criteria. We already know that the earnest prayer of a righteous man availeth much but I think since prayer is so important, we should delve into this a bit more and finding out if this is true.

I don't know if we should go on a fast, pray, read the Word, research the Word because if this was true and we somehow missed it, that would be very unfortunate. If it isn't, then we would be still learn alot about prayer and be able to keep that information or any other revelation from the holy spirit with us and teach other Christians.
 
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I found something very intersting and I am beginning to think that some of the scripture in the bible may be speaking in a literal spiritual sense. Okay this is the scripture.

Psalm 141:2 (King James Version)


2Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.




Okay, if you look at just the first word, King David says, "let." According to Meriam-Webster.com, these are some of the meaning of the word 'let':

- to cause to,
- to offer or grant for rent of lease
- to give opportunity or fail to prevent
- to free from or as if from confinement
- to permit to enter, pass or leave.

So, here if we replace let with some of the words in the definition provided above, we see that King David is asking God to allow his prayer to be offered before Him as incense. My deductive reasoning may be wrong, so please give your input but if King David is asking for permission then it means that there is possibility for his prayer not to be offered before God as incense. Then, I wonder if certain prayers from certain people are not offered as incense even if they were to ask? Just thinking here.

So, I found this scripture in Revelation 8:4. This is what is happening in heaven.


3And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

4And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
5And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.


I believe that our prayers are offered to God as incense, prayers of the saints or Christians. V.3 says that the incense is offered with the prayer or ALL saints upon the golden altar, and THE SMOKE of the incense comes from the prayer of the saints. We have to view this in context, because we know that in II Corinthians God will hear from heaven if we humble ourselves, pray, seek his face AND turn from our wicked ways. He said, his people called by his name.

Today, we are called Chrisitans because Jesus is Christ and we are His followers - his people. God makes a decision to hear prayers of His people if we do the things mentioned above. This is all interesting and what I need understanding of is when the scripture says ALL saints. Then again, I remember that there are some people who profess to be followers of Christ but Jesus will say he never knew them. So, I think this is talking about true Saints or people who demonstrate they love Jesus by following his commandments. I would like to hear your opinions on this?


Another scripture I think that is a literal spiritural meaning is the one where Jesus says that a pure eye is like a lamp unto your body. What we do in the eartly realm does have an effect in the spiritual realm even if we can't see it. The bible always talks about how Christians are suppose to be the salt of the earth and light of the world. Darkness if not of God, he is light. Often times, I and I know many other people don't really grasp the full meaning of the scripture because we just read but don't ask ourselves; Lord, reveal to me through The Holy spirit living inside of me what I need to know. But now, I am beginning to ask myself many questions when I read the bibel; is this in a literal or figurative sense? Are they talking about an eartly effect or spiritual? Anyhow, here is the scripture:

Matthew 6:22-24 (King James Version)


22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


Oh, yeah and keep a pure eye ladies! :yep:
 
This is a very interesting article. I am not done reading; I am anxious to to see the discussion on this topic.
 
Those last 2 posts (#8 and #9) were so powerful for me Chicanella. Thanks. This whole thread has me blown away. Something spiritual is going on with me right now that's got me very frustrated. I can't even explain it myself. But it has me wondering about prayers reaching God and that fire-filled smoke prayer that melts the rock. Interesting. Thanks Chicanella
 
Those last 2 posts (#8 and #9) were so powerful for me Chicanella. Thanks. This whole thread has me blown away. Something spiritual is going on with me right now that's got me very frustrated. I can't even explain it myself. But it has me wondering about prayers reaching God and that fire-filled smoke prayer that melts the rock. Interesting. Thanks Chicanella



You too! While I was reading my hands were tingling and was so curious I had to share this with others before I had finished the reading. I will be doing some intense study about this.
 
Can someone please post where I left off from the site because I can't see it because I don't have Adobe Acrobat reader? Thanks :yep:

So one day, this man leaves his body in his room and goes astro-travelling. And leads a mighty force
of demonic spirits against this church. Now this is his testimony. He was moving in the spirit in the air
over the church and they were trying to attack, but there was a covering of light over the church. And
suddenly, there was an army of angels that attacked them and there was fighting in the air, and all the
demons fled, but he was arrested.
Arrested by whom? The angels! And he saw himself being held by about six angels, and they brought
him through the roof right before the altar. And there he was. And the people were praying. They were
deep in prayer in spiritual warfare, rebuking, breaking and casting out. And the pastor was on the
platform leading the prayers and the warfare. And the Spirit of the Lord spoke to the pastor, and said,”
The yoke has been broken, and the victim is there before you. Help him through deliverance.” And he
opened his eyes and he saw this young man, who had collapsed there. His body was with him. He
was in his body. The young man says he doesn’t know how his body joined him; he had left it in his
house. But there he was in his body, and he didn’t know how he had entered in except the angel had
carried him through the roof.
Now these things are difficult to believe, but the pastor silenced the church and told the church what
the Lord had told him and asked the young man,” Who are you?” The young man was trembling, and
the demons began coming out of him. So they prayed for deliverance, and afterwards, he began to
share his life. That young man has now come to the Lord and is now an evangelist, preaching the
Gospel. And he is being used by the Lord mightily in setting other people free in the ministry of
deliverance.
But one night, I went to a dinner, and the sole reason I went is that someone told me about this young
man, and I was so curious to see him. So I sat at that dinner and some time in the evening, this man
was given the chance to give his testimony. And he talked about so many things. Sometimes he cried
because of the things he did. And then as he finished, he made an appeal.
There were so many pastors in that room. And he said,” I appeal to you, pastors. Please teach the
people how to pray.” The people who don’t pray can be taken in anything, in anything by the devil,
and there are ways that the enemy exploits their lives and their prayers. People who don’t know how
to pray, they literally pray, and the enemy knows even how to exploit their prayers. We’re going to talk
about that. And he also said to the pastors,” Teach the people how to use the spiritual armor that God
provides.”
Then he began to give a testimony of how he used to lead expositions into the air. He would go with
other satanic agents and lots of demon spirits into the air. It was like a shift, you’ve got to go and work
your shift. So regularly he had a time he had to go and wage war in the heavenlies. And he said that
in the heavenlies, in the spiritual realm, if the land is covered under the blanket of darkness, that
blanket is so thick, it is like a rock. And it covers the whole area. And these spirits are able to go on
top of this as well as below this blanket. And from that level, they influence the events on earth.
Both evil spirits and human agents that are serving the devil and when they leave their shifts they go
down on earth at the points of covenant, even waters or on the land at the points of covenant for
refreshing of their spirit. And how do they refresh their spirit? By the sacrifices that people give at
these altars. They could be sacrifices in open witchcraft; they could be sacrifices in bloodshed of all
types including abortion, including warfare and human sacrifices and animal sacrifices. They could be
sacrifices of sexual immorality where people go into sexual perversions and all kinds of promiscuity.
And that act services the strength of these powers. And many are the different types of sacrifices.
He talked about lots of things, which really troubled my mind. He said when they are up there and the
Christians begin to pray on earth, the prayers of the Christians appear to them in three forms. All
prayers appear like smoke that is rising up into the heavens, and he says that some prayers appear
like smoke and they go meandering and disappear in the air. He says that the people who normally
pray like that and their prayers disappear, are people who have sin in their lives and they are not
willing to deal with it. Their prayers are so weak, they are blown and they disappear in the air. And he
said there are others whose prayers are like smoke that rises up until it reaches this rock, but it does
not break through the rock. He says, usually these are who try to purify themselves, but they lack the
faith in what they are doing as they pray. And usually they ignore the other keys to use/areas that they

need to put together in prayer.
 
It says that the third type of prayer is like smoke that is filled with fire. And as it rises up, it is so hot
that as it reaches the rock, the rock begins to melt like wax and it pierces that rock and goes through,
and he said many times, people begin to pray and their prayers are like the first type of prayer, but as
they continue praying, their prayers change and become like the second prayer. And as they continue
praying, suddenly there is suddenly fire that is filling their prayers. And their prayers become so
powerful, they pierce through the rock. And he said, many times would they notice the prayers of the
saints changing and coming very close to the state of fire, they communicate to other spirits on earth
and they tell them,” Distract that person from prayer. Stop them praying. Pull them out.”
And many times so many Christians yield to these distractions. They are pressing through; they are
repenting. They are allowing the Word to check their spirit up. Faith has been building up. Their
prayers are becoming more focused. Then the devil sees their prayers are gaining strength and the
distractions begin. Telephones ring. Sometimes we are in the middle of very, very intense prayer,
then the telephone rings and you think you can go to answer the phone and then come back and
continue praying. When you come back, you go back to the beginning. And that’s what the devil
wants.
Other kinds of distractions come your way, even if it means touching your body and bringing some
pain somewhere. Even if it means making you hungry and you want to go to the kitchen and fix
something to eat. As long as they can get you out of that place, they have defeated you. And he will
say to the pastors,” Teach people. Set aside some time; not for just some casual kind of praying. They
can do that the rest of the day. Once in a day, they should have a time when they are focusing
wholeheartedly on God, nothing distracting them.
And if people persist in this kind of prayer and allow themselves to be inspired in the spirit and keep
going and keep going, something happens in the spirit. The fire touches that rock, and it melts. And
this man said, when the melting begins, it is so hot, no demon spirit can stand it. No human spirit can
stand it. They all flee. They all run away.
There comes an opening in the spiritual realm. And as soon as this comes, all this trouble in prayer
stops. The person who is praying on the ground just feels like prayer is suddenly so smooth, so
enjoyable and so powerful and intense.
And I’ve discovered at that moment, we normally lose consciousness of time and other things. Not
that we become disorderly. God takes care of our time. But it is like you lay down everything, and you
hook up with God. And this man said that when the prayers go through, from that moment there can
be no resistance at all, and the person praying will continue as long as he wants. There is no
resistance that can stop him.
And then he said, after he finishes praying, the hole remains open, and he said that people, when
they rise out of their place of prayer, and they walk out, this open hole moves along with them. They
are no longer operating under the blanket. They are operating under open heavens. And he said, in
that state, the devil cannot do what he wants against them. And the presence of the Lord is like a
pillar from heaven resting on their lives. They are protected, and there is so much power inside that
pillar that as they move around, that presence touches other people. It discerns what the enemy has
done in other people. And as they talk to people and those people are standing with them, they come
inside this pillar. And as long as they stay inside that pillar, all the bondages of the enemy weaken.
So when these people who have this spiritual break-through share Jesus Christ with the sinners, their
resistance is low. It is so easy to bring them through. When they pray for the sick or pray about things,
the presence, which is there, makes all the difference. And this man said the devil hates such people.
And it said if there are places where prayer is regularly being prayed through like that, the presence
comes upon that place and does not leave. So even the people who don’t know God, when they come
into this place, suddenly all the bondages are weakened.
And if someone cared to just minister to them patiently and with love, they can easily be pulled
through, not by power nor by might but by the Spirit of God, who is present. And he said, if no one
bothers about these people, they come into his presence, they feel convicted, they begin to debate
whether to yield or not, but if they are not pulled through, when they walk away from this place,
 
bondages get stronger. And the devil tries his best not to allow them to come back into such an
environment.
You can imagine we were all seated looking at this man. He was telling us the things he used to do
and what he used to see. Then he told us what they would do to people who have broken through in
prayer. He said they marked such people; they studied such people. They dug up everything they
could find about such people. So they knew their weaknesses, and when someone overcomes them
in prayer and breaks through, they communicate with other spirits and say, ”Target him with this and
with this and with this. These are his weaknesses.” So when this person walks out of the prayer
closet, the spirit of prayer is upon him, the presence is upon him, his spirits are high, the joy of the
Lord is his strength. As he moves the enemy tries to bring those things that can distract him from
focusing on the Lord.
If his weakness is in the area of temper, then the enemy is going to cause people to do things, which
can make him really angry. And if he is not sensitive to the Holy Spirit, and he allows himself to go into
the temper, he takes his eyes off the Lord. He gets angry, he feels so furious, and after a few minutes
later, he wants to put that behind him and move along in the joy of the Lord, but he doesn’t feel it
anymore. He tries to feel good again; he doesn’t feel any good again. Why? As he yielded to the
temptation, they worked hard to close the door upstairs. And once they restore the rock, the presence
is cut off. The person does not cease being a child of God. But that extra anointing that goes on his
life, that presence that could do things without his manipulating anything, it’s just cut off. They seek
out where the weaknesses are.
If it is in the temptation to sexuality, the enemy will prepare people, events, something that will
suddenly draw out that passion to go towards that temptation. And if that man yields to this temptation
and opens up his mind to receive these thoughts, entertains them, when he is through with everything
and wants to move again in the anointing, he just discovers it is no longer there. Maybe you say,”
That’s not fair.” Just remember what the Bible says,” Put on the helmet of salvation. Put on the
breastplate of righteousness.” We normally do not see the position, the place of these weapons of
warfare. But remember what Jesus told us to pray towards the end of the Lord’s prayer,” Take us not
into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.”
Every time you have a breakthrough in prayer, as you come to the end, remember you are still a weak
human being. Remember you have not yet been perfected. Ask the Lord, say” Lord, I’ve enjoyed this
time of prayer, but when I walk out into this world, lead me not into temptation. Don’t allow me to walk
into the devil’s trap. I know the enemy is setting a trap out there. I don’t know what form it is going to
take. And I know I am still weak in certain areas. If I am just put in the right place, I will yield to that.
Protect me, Lord. When you see me turning that corner where the trap is, just cause me to turn to the
other side. Intervene, O Lord. Don’t allow me to move by just my own strength and ability. Deliver me
from the evil one.”
God is able to do that. He is able. That is why sometimes things happen, all you need to say is,”
Thank you, Jesus.” That’s why Apostle Paul wrote in the book of Thessalonians and said,” Thank God
in everything for that is the will of God in Christ for you.” Some things are not good. They are painful,
and we wonder why God would allow it. But if only we knew what He is saving us from, we would
thank Him. When we learn to trust the Lord, we just thank Him in everything.
Beloved, I don’t know whether to go deeper because I do not want to start something I cannot finish.
Let me just try to take one step forward. And this man said that when prayer breaks through like that,
the answer will always come. He said he does not know a case where prayer broke through and the
answer did not come. He said the answer always came, but in most cases, it would never get to the
person who asked. Why? Battle in the heavenlies; He says as long as they succeed in cutting off the
open heavens and the rock is restored, they watch this person, they are waiting because they know
the answer is definitely coming.
And then this man spoke something that really shook my faith. It is because of the next part he shared
that I went into fasting ten days to say, Lord, is this true? Can you prove it to me? This man said that
every Christian has got an angel serving that Christian. Now we know the Bible says angels are
ministering spirits to us. He said that when people pray, the answer comes in the hands of the angel.
The angel brings the answer like we can read it in the book of Daniel. Then he said something really
 
tough; if the one who prays knows the spiritual armour and is clothed with it, the answer comes by an
angel who is also clothed in full armour.
If the one who prays doesn’t care about spiritual armoury, their angels come without spiritual armour.
Christians who don’t care about what kind of thoughts come into their minds. They don’t fight the
battle of their minds. Their angels come without the helmet. Whatever spiritual weapon you ignore on
earth, the angel doesn’t have it as he serves you. In other words, our spiritual armour is not protecting
our physical bodies; it’s protecting our spiritual exploits.
This man said, when the angel is coming, they would focus and look at him and notice the areas,
which are not covered, and those are the areas they would attack. If he has no helmet, they would
shoot at his head. If he has no breastplate, they would shoot at his chest. If he has no shoes, they
would make a fire that he is walking in the fire. Now I am just repeating what this man said. Actually,
we asked him,” Can angels feel fire?” And you know what he said to us? Remember this is a spiritual
realm. These are spirits dealing with spirits. The battle is intensive, and when they overpower an
angel of God, the first thing they target is the answer he is carrying, and they get that from him, that is
what they give through the cults, the witchcraft, and people say, ”I got this because of witchcraft.”
Remember what the Bible says in the book of James? All good things come from God. So where does
the devil get the things he gives to his people? Some people who cannot have children, they go to
witch doctors and satanists, and they get pregnant! Who gave them that baby? Is Satan a creator?
NO! He steals from those who don’t pray to the end. Jesus said,” Pray without ceasing.” And then He
said,” But when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith?” Will He find you still there waiting? Or will
you have given up and the enemy would steal what you have prayed for?
Then this man said that they are not satisfied with just stealing the answer. They are also interested in
detaining the angel. And they start fighting him. And he said sometimes they succeed in holding and
binding the angel. And he says, when that happens, the Christian is a victim on earth. They can do
anything with that Christian because he is totally left without ministry in the Spirit.
I said to him,” Do you mean an angel can be held in captivity by demonic forces?” This man did not
even know the scriptures by the time he was saying all this. He did not know very many scriptures. He
was just sharing his experiences. And he said they wouldn’t hold the angel too long because as other
Christians prayed elsewhere, reinforcement would come, and the angels would go free. If the
Christian responsible did not pray through, he remains a captive. Then the enemy sends his own
angel as an angel of light to this person, and that is where the deceptions come in. False visions and
false prophecies. False leadership, I mean leading, guidance in the spirit, making wrong decisions of
all types. And many times this person is open to all kinds of attack and bondages.
And I asked the Lord. I left that dinner so troubled, so troubled. I said,” Lord, I don’t want even to try
and believe this.” It removes all my confidence, my security. When I went to seek the Lord, it was ten
days, the Lord did two things. He did not only confirm the things I had heard, he opened my mind to
see a lot more that this man could not tell us of what happens in the spiritual realm. And two, he led
me to see what we are supposed to do as the things are happening so that we are not overcome but
that we can overcome. And we need to know three things and really come to terms with these three
things.
One: how to operate with the weapons of our warfare. The Bible calls them the armour of God. It is
not our armour; it is God’s armour. When we use it, we allow God to fight on our behalf. Two:
understand the relationship of the ministering spirits-the angels-to our spiritual lives. And to be
sensitive to what is happening in our hearts as a leading to what needs to be happening in the spirit
concerning us. That brings us to the third thing: that is the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not supposed to come as our servant, serving us and bringing things to us. He does
not run to and fro to the Father to tell Him what we need. That is the work of angels. But He stands by
our side. Doing what? Guiding us, teaching us, leading us, helping us to pray the right way. And when
these things are happening in the spiritual realm, He tells us, sometimes He wakes you up in the night
and says,” Pray.” You say,” No! My time is not yet come.” And He says,” Pray now!” Why? He sees
what is happening in the spirit. Sometimes He says,” Tomorrow-fasting!” You say, ”Oh, no, I’ll start on
Monday!”
 
But He understands what is happening in the spiritual realm. We should learn to be sensitive to the
Holy Spirit. He guides us in the paths of righteousness. Beloved we’ve got to stop here. Maybe
tomorrow morning, we can talk about how we can pray through, knowing the battles in the spirit and
how we can break through. How we can maintain our breakthrough once we have scored it. And once
we learn this, it becomes enjoyable. Then we learn one thing: the battle is not ours; the battle is of the
Lord! Hallelujah!
Let’s just stand up. Look someone in the eye, and just think about how many times that person could
have missed what God had for him. But join your hands if you can, two or three people, and just tell
each other,” There’s no need for more defeat! We can overcome! There is enough power to
overcome! Jesus has already done the whole work.” Pray for each other that the Lord will help us to
overcome. We should not lose. There is enough grace, enough power for victory. Thank you, Jesus.
 
I read this story a long time ago, but it means alot more to me today. Thanks for posting! One of the things I've said I want to perfect in my walk is effective prayer. This story gives a great visual to have while working on something that is unseen. Reminds me that I need to suit up in the armour daily.

ETA: I will say that though the skeptic in me doubts the authenticity of the person and events, the message in it IS very real and very useful.
 
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You know, I thought about the part where he says that your angel has the same spiritual armour as you. And I really don't know how true that is but I thought of the scripture, "a man reaps what he sows."
Galatians 6:5
5For every man shall bear his own burden.

6Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

I think this reaping and sowing not only applies in the eartly realm but also in the spiritual realm. I always have to remind myself that there is the seen and unseen. So maybe if you aren't sowing activities or things that bring peace to you, then you aren't reaping it. We know that is true just by looking at negative people and how they can bring you down. I think this principle of reaping and sowing applies to everyone; saved or unsaved. I have to keep on reading and praying on this because if it is true, I certainly don't want to miss it. I mean, this could blow the enemy out of the sky if it is true.

Either way, I am going to remember Ephesians and make sure my helmet, breastplate, etc is in tact cause the bible says so anyway. I'm also going to read Joyce Meyers book on prayer and make sure I put everything together because whether this be true or not, it has inspired me to pray more.

Jesus says you will know them by their fruit so I am wondering, what kind of fruit does this testimony bear? Is it uplifting; does it bring me closer to God or make me want to seek him more; or does it bring me further away from him and make me want to no seek him- just a few things I am pondering upon as I read this. I'm fasting today btw.
 
Whoa. I need to print this out and pray over this, like OP said - if it is indeed true I dont want to miss it.
 
I've heard of this third heaven before and Paul talks about it here.

2 Corinthians 12Paul's Vision and His Thorn

1I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.


I think back then, the skies were referred to as heaven also. But here he talks about "the third heaven" so what is the first and the second? Any biblical scholars on here with revelation knowledge from The Holy Spirit? Even without that writing I read, this alone is very deep.
 
WOW! it's a lot to read and absorb. I didn't read it all but I am going to. I know people that walk with the "hole" Serita Jakes being one.
 
I know months ago I posted a thread on spiritual warfare and asked if there were angels on our behalf ..were there also enemy angels working to harm...
I'll try to find it and the post the link as an ancillary
 
WOW! it's a lot to read and absorb. I didn't read it all but I am going to. I know people that walk with the "hole" Serita Jakes being one.

That's T.D. Jakes wife right? How did you know that she is talking about the same thing in the writing posted? I want to know where she talks about this at.

Also Kayte - I definitely believe just from reading verses and Ephesians that there is an army fighting on behalf of the enemy and an army of angels fighting for God. We see that all throughout the bible.

The stuff that I am skeptical or want to know the truth about is the man being able to leave his body stuff and then he says the man talks about how the angels that deliver the answers or blessings have the same armour as us. It doesn't say this in the bible or at least I've never read anything like that.
 
The stuff that I am skeptical or want to know the truth about is the man being able to leave his body stuff and then he says the man talks about how the angels that deliver the answers or blessings have the same armour as us. It doesn't say this in the bible or at least I've never read anything like that.

To me it reads like a well made up story. It's supposed to be written by a witness who is recalling the man's story, yet it reads like a sermon, someone who is quoting scriptures and then expounding on it. He quotes the man and then expounds on it as if he were in the mans head explaining it even more in depth than the man supposedly did and with razor sharp memory of his entire story. So from the writing style and also the anonymity of the person, I believe it was made up.

But like I said, even if it is made up the message from it 'pray without ceasing' is very real. There IS a spiritual warfare going on, and to me the specifics about that war don't matter. We'll never be able to physically see our angels to know if they are wearing the helmet, or the breastplate, the point is to make sure WE take that command literally for ourselves in our prayer and in living. The specifics and the details of whether this is really how the spiritual world functions is sort of irrelevent, it's a PERSPECTIVE piece.

It's like the fables natives used to tell and most of them involving animals that talked to man. Obviously far-fetched but the point of it wasn't the story itself, but the message and moral behind the story. For some people things like this are needed to help them understand the importance of things they are told to do.
 
To me it reads like a well made up story. It's supposed to be written by a witness who is recalling the man's story, yet it reads like a sermon, someone who is quoting scriptures and then expounding on it. He quotes the man and then expounds on it as if he were in the mans head explaining it even more in depth than the man supposedly did and with razor sharp memory of his entire story. So from the writing style and also the anonymity of the person, I believe it was made up.

But like I said, even if it is made up the message from it 'pray without ceasing' is very real. There IS a spiritual warfare going on, and to me the specifics about that war don't matter. We'll never be able to physically see our angels to know if they are wearing the helmet, or the breastplate, the point is to make sure WE take that command literally for ourselves in our prayer and in living. The specifics and the details of whether this is really how the spiritual world functions is sort of irrelevent, it's a PERSPECTIVE piece.

It's like the fables natives used to tell and most of them involving animals that talked to man. Obviously far-fetched but the point of it wasn't the story itself, but the message and moral behind the story. For some people things like this are needed to help them understand the importance of things they are told to do.

You know, it is really sad that we have to know exactly why we are commanded to do certain things in order to do them.

But I think this man is trying to say that this is a spiritual truth. He says that he prayed to God and fasted and so I was looking up on the website like, "Who is this man writing all this stuff?" So, I find out it is someone named John Mulinde from Uganda and I even looked up his picture.

So, I looked at his pic like, "Hmmm, this doesn't look like a man of God?":look: Okay, I know there is no look but anyway I don't think he should be making up stories like that. If it is a story to make people want to pray, then he should just say that because otherwise it is a lie even though he may (or may not) have a good intent.

I just think we need to be very careful because the bible says even some of the very elect will be deceived.
 
The stuff that I am skeptical or want to know the truth about is the man being able to leave his body stuff and then he says the man talks about how the angels that deliver the answers or blessings have the same armour as us. It doesn't say this in the bible or at least I've never read anything like that.

I don't know about the armour stuff but astro projection is very real, I think that's what he was talking about "leaving his body".
 
You know, it is really sad that we have to know exactly why we are commanded to do certain things in order to do them.

But I think this man is trying to say that this is a spiritual truth. He says that he prayed to God and fasted and so I was looking up on the website like, "Who is this man writing all this stuff?" So, I find out it is someone named John Mulinde from Uganda and I even looked up his picture.

So, I looked at his pic like, "Hmmm, this doesn't look like a man of God?":look: Okay, I know there is no look but anyway I don't think he should be making up stories like that. If it is a story to make people want to pray, then he should just say that because otherwise it is a lie even though he may (or may not) have a good intent.

I just think we need to be very careful because the bible says even some of the very elect will be deceived.

This is very true...its something I have kept in mind while pondering this article...
 
All that aside, this part sticked with me:

That’s why Apostle Paul wrote in the book of Thessalonians and said,”Thank God in everything for that is the will of God in Christ for you.” Some things are not good. They are painful, and we wonder why God would allow it. But if only we knew what He is saving us from, we would thank Him.

IF WE ONLY KNEW WHAT HE WAS SAVING US FROM... I needed that!
 
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