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I just got a new perm Friday and the stylist used no lye instead of lye (LIKE I ASKED).

My previous one was lye. In anticipation of some problem I was gonna do a Aphogee 6 wk treatement to head off anything. Is this wise or should I do the 3 day UBH thing.

And if I do the Aphogee can I use UBH during the 6 weeks or would this be too much???

Thanks
 
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Hi Mindymouse, /images/graemlins/frown.gif Sorry to hear that the hairdresser didn't do what you requested.

After my relaxer, I followed C. Howse's process for the first two week. Then I used the Aphogee treatment after two weeks. This turned out great! I didn't used the UBH deep conditioner until 7 days later. Between that time I washed my hair twice using ORS Hair Mayo for my deep conditionings. I haven't had any problems w/ my hair being too dry. I'm on week 4 of my relaxer. It might depend on if your hair can take alot of protein? /images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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Thanks Titansgirl.. I'm gonna do that. Now you say you watied 7 days after the last UBH treatment or 7 days after the perm?
 
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I waited two weeks after my relaxer before I did the Aphogee treatment. Then I waited another week after the Aphogee treatment before I used the UBH conditioner. My hair felt lightly hard after using the Aphogee treatment. I didn't want to dry my hair out too much. I was being on the safe side w/ taking a break from the UBH conditioner. I did do several conditioner washes after the Aphogee treatment. I also used alot of moisturizing conditioners. I used Pantene Smooth @ Sleek and Heat Activated Moisturizing conditioner.
 
Hi Mindymouse,

Did the lady use the Affirm no-lye relaxer? If so, then she used the 5 in 1 reconstructor, right?

If that's the case, you don't need to do the Aphogee. Do the UBH conditioner every 3 days for approx. 4 weeks. At that time, use Nexxus Keraphix or the 5 in 1 reconstructor with heat for 30 minutes. The Aphogee is so strong that I only use it if I'm experiencing a lot of uncontrollable breakage. Save that treatment for any signs of real trouble.

In case they didn't use a reconstructor at the time of your relaxer, use one of the reconstructors above or try the Nexxus Emergencee.

With the no-lye relaxer, what your hair is going to need more than anything now is moisture, moisture and more moisture. As long as you have that covered, you should be o.k until your next relaxer when you can have them use a lye formula this time. Hope that helped, and good luck girl! /images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Thanks Pebbles, that Aphogee is strong the last time I use it wow crispy, crispy and I swear during rinsing hair was just breaking down the drain.

I don't know if she used the 5 in 1, she conditioned first no heat just sat there it seems less than 10 minutes then she shampooed.

Does the 5 in 1 need heat?

Will it be ok to get the lye one next time or will have problems with 5 inches lye, 1 inch no lye, 1 inch lye /images/graemlins/confused.gif

I did'nt wash last night I got lazy, but DEFINITELY tonight this is 5 days... /images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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I don't know if she used the 5 in 1, she conditioned first no heat just sat there it seems less than 10 minutes then she shampooed.


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Hi Mindymouse,

That was the reconstructor. After the relaxer application, the bottle says to apply, leave in for 5 minutes, then rinse.

For a good deep conditioning, the 5 in 1 is recommended for 30 minutes with a plastic cap. I use it with heat. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

It is definately o.k to get the lye formula next time. It should cause you no problems. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Good Luck! /images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Thanks again, you are sooooo Helpful.

Now you all really think Lye is Better. Is the only difference the drying? Cause they say they all are. I had the no lye one for years and only noticed drying and breaking and problems the last 1 1/2 to 2 yrs I attributed it to bad hairdresser months.
 
Hi Pebbles,

When I got my hair relaxed w/ the Affirm Mild relaxer, the hairdresser did not condition my hair until after the shampoo. She didn't sit me under the dryer either. She put the conditioner in and put a plastic bag on my hair. She let it sit for about 10 minutes. Do you think she used a reconstructor? /images/graemlins/confused.gif She rinsed the conditioner out and then sat me under the hair dryer.. I was concerned that I didn't receive a protein conditioner.
 
You're welcome Mindy! /images/graemlins/smile.gif The lye relaxer really is better for the hair. It's definately less drying than the no-lye. Over time the no-lye dries your hair out. It's happened to me several times where I experienced so much breakage I had to cut off all of my hair. I didn't know then what it was, but now that I use a lye relaxer, (and I know how to care for my hair now), I don't get the breakage and damage that I used to experience. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Hi Titansgirl,

She most likely did use the reconstructor, just in reverse order. Cathy Howes has stated that she uses Affirm, and though the directions call for conditioning first, then neutralizing shampoo, she does it the other way around because she prefers to bring the ph of her hair back down with the shampoo first, then condition it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Also, Titansgirl, how long was it? They recently changed thier formula/instructions within the last year I believe..

Maybe 2.
 
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Thanks Pebbles, that Aphogee is strong the last time I use it wow crispy, crispy and I swear during rinsing hair was just breaking down the drain.


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I know everyone says the Aphogee makes their hair so hard and the 1st time I did it it made mine hard as well, but last Saturday I used the Aphogee (was getting MONSTER BREAKAGE /images/graemlins/frown.gif ) First I washed w/ Elucence then I used the Aphogee and sat under the dryer (that's when it got crispy) then I went back under the shower nozzle and completely rinsed out the Aphogee (after this rinse my hair was not hard anymore) then I used Motions CPR for 10 min. and then used the Elucence Moisture Balance Conditioner for 1 min and rinsed, then I added more as a leave-in, my hair was fine and no crispiness or hardness and YAY, no MONSTER BREAKAGE!!!
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Hi Ms Kenesha,

I think a lot of people don't know that when the Aphogee dries it's supposed to get hard. It is super potent and excellent for stopping excessive breakage. For regular maintenance I prefer to use other more mild, cream protein conditioners. I only use the Aphogee if nothing else will work. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Hey Pebbles,

I agree I only pull out the Aphogee for the BIG JOBS. I like the Nexxus Emergencee and the Elucence Extended Moisture Repair Treatment (better deal money wise &amp; the same consistency as the Nexxus) for the smaller jobs. With both you can use once a week or every two weeks.
 
Hey Ms Kenesha,

Speaking of Motions CPR, last month I sent a message to the Motions Company asking them if the CPR was a protein treatment or regular conditioner. Here is the exact response I got back, grin and all, verbatim:
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"Hi Pebbles! /images/graemlins/grin.gif (the smilie was twice as big)
The CPR Conditioner is made up of 15 african herbs to feed, heal and nourish your hair! The Oil Moisturizer with Silk Protein and the Moisture Plus Conditioner are full of healthy protein, nutrients, andmoisturizers!
Okay?!! Both are the BOMB!"



Take Care!!
"The Expert"
Motions Professional
Hair Care Products
-------Original Message-------

From: Pebbles
Date: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:42:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Motions CPR

Hello,

Can you tell me if the Motions CPR is a protein treatment or a regular conditioner?

Thanks,

Pebbles
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Now, does this mean that the CPR is NOT a protein conditioner? That's what I get out of this email, but what do you think?
 
It is a bit unprofessional. But is it me, or does the response seem a bit vague? /images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Maybe they dont know. I hate the marketing tone in their email. I mean, why preach to the converted?? why tell you about products you did not ask about? /images/graemlins/mad.gif It does contain protein, they have just put in a lot of herbs in it. people have testified to it reducing breakage so i guess so.
 
If I understand correctly, No-Lye relaxers contain Calcium Hydroxide (?) in which calcium will leave deposit on your hair coating it where it's much more difficult to replenish the hair with moisture.

Now as far as Lye Relexers if I understand this correctly, they contain Sodium Hydroxide which doesn't leave a build-up (film) such as the Calcium. Therefore it's easier to replenish the hair w/moisture by using a Lye relaxer.

is this right?
 
This is so odd because I emailed them yesterday asking the same question and this was their reply....

Is CPR a protein conditioner?

Hi BronxDiva!
CPR Conditioner is an amazing, nourishing blend of 15 African herbs to strengthen and check hair breakage! It is not a protein conditioner, but a healing, moisturizing conditioner to heal and PREVENT damage!! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Take Care!!
"The Expert"
Motions Professional
Hair Care Products
 
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This is so odd because I emailed them yesterday asking the same question and this was their reply....

Is CPR a protein conditioner?

Hi BronxDiva!
CPR Conditioner is an amazing, nourishing blend of 15 African herbs to strengthen and check hair breakage! It is not a protein conditioner, but a healing, moisturizing conditioner to heal and PREVENT damage!! /images/graemlins/smile.gif


Take Care!!
"The Expert"
Motions Professional
Hair Care Products

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What the hell, I could have sworn I saw PROTEIN listed as one of the ingredients. I'm upset at the fact that they said Healing? Nothing can heal the hair, it's DEAD, you can only Camouflage damage!
 
hold up...they said the bomb????? /images/graemlins/shocked.gif /images/graemlins/shocked.gif i know some people may find that a bit nice that a company is so casual with their consumers but the bomb??? come on. you asked a question about whether something was protein conditioner and they didnt even answer your question but mentioned another product you didnt even ask about. that is beyond strange and it does seem unprofessional.

o/t about the affirm i really would like to try it but i am not sure where to go to get it done. i dont want to buy the whole system because some sites that sell them are more than it cost for me to get a touchup. i would consider buying the system if i were doing the system at home. i am just wondering if it is worth it. i mean i know a place in nyc that sells mizani in a tub similar to the motions size but i was interested in affirm since the people who had the same problem i had with motions are using this one and have had great results. i just want to make a smart decision. God bless you all.
 
Amillion, I read that the Affirm no lye your right contains Calcium Hydroxide it is mixed with somthing (can't remember right now) to create Guanidine.
 
I think a Yes or NO would have sufficed... LOL

Yeah it sounds like it does'nt.
 
Ms. Kenesha, remember that Thermasilk Commerical where the ladies hair turned to tree branches then she rinsed and it turned soft, I just got that visual from your post. LOL..

I knew from this board that it would get hard but when I felt it, I thought about that commercial...
 
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