For the frustated christian.... (LONG)!
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Irresistible
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OMG! this is such a true word of wisdom, this is where I am at after a hellish , hellish storm in my life. Which God has lead me and my child ALL they way out now. SO MUCH PRAISE IN ME. Here is a vid , not sure if it's been posted here before, that now I totally understand more than ever, also the scripture that the enemy comes to STEAL KILL AND DESTROY, man that scripture is so real and so not a joke. I am thankful today, that I just simply STOOD, where would we be today had I not 'just stood' even while falling not to mention obeying, I shudder to think of it. I do know we would not be here today
YouTube - It Will Cost You Everything
when the enemy started messing with my promise birthed in flesh, it was ugly, and sooo painful. I did lay her at his feet more and more it was not about me being her mother anymore, only what he said, ONLY WHAT HE SAID...it was not about ME anymore whatsoever. I litterally laid my life down and ME down. He is so Amazing. When I think now how he asked abraham to sacrifice his son, we know the reasons, I understand every layer now of what I had to walk through and what it got me AND her to. The blessings after the storm are so GREAT, the things birthed in us, that could not have been born in us any other way.....He is going to birth his will in this earth and in us however he chooses, period dot!
I like how you said if you have not got frustrated yet , just wait...lol....so true
ppl tell me today they could not have stood ten minutes in my shoes, and I deserve to be happy now, I do not dare fall for the trap, of 'what I deserve now' from God, thus when it doesnt happen, my spirit fall into deep sorrow and grief, *lesson learnt* None of my peace or happiness can be EVER attached to flesh OR circumstances *lesson learnt* and trust me I GOT SLAMMED hard enough. it did indeed all almost cost me my life, in so many ways, I did lay down my life, Although it's still difficult , of course I am still flesh , but After the trial/storm most assuredly , and thus far that was the darkest i've seen, I see the many , MANY blessings. He is indeed faithful and has a purpose for the trials and tribulations. He indeed wants us to surrender more and more of ourselves and our lives to him. That's not comfortable , but dying and birthing isn't supposed to be. but oh my the blessing in it is so great. SO GREAT!
YouTube - It Will Cost You Everything
when the enemy started messing with my promise birthed in flesh, it was ugly, and sooo painful. I did lay her at his feet more and more it was not about me being her mother anymore, only what he said, ONLY WHAT HE SAID...it was not about ME anymore whatsoever. I litterally laid my life down and ME down. He is so Amazing. When I think now how he asked abraham to sacrifice his son, we know the reasons, I understand every layer now of what I had to walk through and what it got me AND her to. The blessings after the storm are so GREAT, the things birthed in us, that could not have been born in us any other way.....He is going to birth his will in this earth and in us however he chooses, period dot!
I like how you said if you have not got frustrated yet , just wait...lol....so true
ppl tell me today they could not have stood ten minutes in my shoes, and I deserve to be happy now, I do not dare fall for the trap, of 'what I deserve now' from God, thus when it doesnt happen, my spirit fall into deep sorrow and grief, *lesson learnt* None of my peace or happiness can be EVER attached to flesh OR circumstances *lesson learnt* and trust me I GOT SLAMMED hard enough. it did indeed all almost cost me my life, in so many ways, I did lay down my life, Although it's still difficult , of course I am still flesh , but After the trial/storm most assuredly , and thus far that was the darkest i've seen, I see the many , MANY blessings. He is indeed faithful and has a purpose for the trials and tribulations. He indeed wants us to surrender more and more of ourselves and our lives to him. That's not comfortable , but dying and birthing isn't supposed to be. but oh my the blessing in it is so great. SO GREAT!
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Irresistible
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I do understand 'contending with God' or pleading our case (pouring out our feelings) and asking for things , even asking questions (he answers how he chooses) we are allowed to do that and sometimes it truly births very powerful things from him. It's scriptural that we do this. But once you do that , the answer is still surrendering to his will, his way. His answers. The only truth, the only thing that will truly come to pass
crwnandglory
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I think the part that so many of us struggle with is this fantasy that when we get saved and if we live a certain way that we won't have to go through any great struggles. We think that whenever we are walking in God's will that everything will look good, smell good, feel good and sound good which will serve as confirmation that it is right. So when we hit a roadblock we are so shocked that for a moment we forget who is in control. I know I've walked though some muddy places trying to reach God's will and I got dirty... very dirty. Now I am learning that my walk as a kingdom woman does not mean I won't have to walk through mud but if I allow God to be Lord of my life and if I am wearing the armor of God (Ephesian 6:10-17) then I will be able to walk through mud and not get dirty.
Great word Sidney, thank you for sharing
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Guitarhero
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Man, Sidney, if that isn't the truth! More frustrating in other areas you never knew existed as the years go by! But we gain strength and see our utter helplessness - our total dependence upon Him. One of the biggest eye-openers I ever got when I joined the church was the witness of so many funerals, illness, tragedies. Maybe it was that it's a lot larger membership...in thousands per parish and the more likely I'd come across death and tragedy? I dunno, but I'd look around at all the faithful, despite their ordeals...it was uphill, fall, get back up, uphill, fall, get back up...focusing just on Him. We aren't promised a million dollar mansion and full health, we were promised He'd be with us in this life journey.
Irresistible
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wow this is such a witness to me, this thread ,this post,
The one you are responding to ....all of it....I wrote something a long these lines...and it was even before what I feel to date was the darkest storm, required (not that any other didn't) total reliance on God just to think straight, or know how to react in a spit second with trust in him, in the face serious danger/destruction
but it applied then, even more real to me now than ever, I now understand the more this is a revelation in me the more the blessing
FATHER ONLY YOU KNOW ME
THE STRENGTHS THE WEAKNESS WITHIN ME
MY GREATEST JOY'S
MY DEEPEST PAINS
I AM NOTHING WITHOUT THEE
YOU HAVE FORMED ME
YOU HAVE MOLDED ME
EVEN IN MY HUMAN RESISTANCE
ONLY YOU KNOW
HOW I LET YOU FREELY
ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE HOW I AM
DISPLEASING TO THEE
HOW IT SADDENS ME TO KNOW
I ALWAYS WILL BE
TO SOME DEGREE
HOW I DEEPLY HATE HOW OTHERS
ARE SO QUICK TO POINT A FINGER
AND NOT SEE
THE LOG IN THEIR EYE
DUE TO THE SPECK IN MINE
HOW THAT HATE HAS TRAPPED ME
HOW I JUST WANT THEM TO SEE
THAT WHEN THEY DO SUCH A THING
THEY TOO DISPLEASE THEE
HOW I JUST WANT TO BE FREE
TO BE
HOW THAT ALSO ENTRAPS ME
HOW I FIND HOPE
ONLY IN YOUR MERCY
HOW YOU HAVE MIGHTILY
SHOWN ME YOUR GRACE
AND POWER
HOW I AM BROKEN BEFORE YOU
REPEATEDLY
HOW I TRY TO STAND
LIKE YOUR BIG GIRL
AND BE BRAVE
HOW I FEAR I AM MESSING UP
AND WILL BE BROUGHT BACK INTO PLACE
BY YOUR CHASTENING
WHICH IS YOUR
LOVE AND GRACE
HOW I WANT SO DESPERATELY
TO BE FREE
FROM ME
MY WORST ENEMY
I FIGHT TO MAKE POINTS
THAT SEEM TOTALLY POINTLESS
ANYWAY
IS IT FOR THEM
OR ME
I CAN NEVER STAND ALONE
NOT THAT I WANT TO
I JUST WANT TO BREATHE
IN A PLACE WHERE I AM NOT GRASPING
FOR YOU TO SUSTAIN ME
EVERY MOMENT
OF EVERY DAY
WILL I EVER SEE THAT PLACE?
FORGIVE MY FOOLISHNESS
FOR I KNOW
FOR ALL MY LONGING TO HAVE LOVE AND THINGS IN THIS WORLD
IN THIS TIME AND SPACE
TO BE UPHELD BY ANTHING OR ANYONE
IN THIS WORLD
IS FOLLY
AND MY HURTING WHEN I ALWAYS FALL ON MY FACE
THERE IS NOTHING AND NOONE THAT CAN HOLD ME LIKE YOUR LOVING GRACE
ONLY YOU CAN HOLD ME
KEEP ME AND THINGS TOGETHER
I KNOW ITS NOT WITHIN MY POWER
ONLY YOU KNOW HOW I HAVE NEED OF THEE
I AM NOT WITHOUT SIN BEFORE THEE
NEVER HAVE BEEN
I UNDERSTAND I NEVER WILL BE
I KNOW YOU SEE MY HEART
AND ALL THAT I AM TRYING TO BE
AS I FIGHT TO NEVER WITHHOLD YOUR LOVE
FROM ANOTHER
I KNOW YOU WONT WITHHOLD FROM ME
I AM AFRAID OF BEING BROKEN AGAIN
IT HAS SEEMED SO CONSTANT
MY IT WAS LONELY
AND DARK
MY HOW I GOT WEARY
MY HOW I HURT!
I ADMIT TO THE WORLD OPENLY
AND TO THEE
I AM RUNNING
NOWHERE QUICKLY
OH BUT NOT FROM ME
BUT FROM BEING BROKEN
TIME AND TIME AGAIN
BEFORE THEE
AND I AM AFRAID
I JUST WANT A SEASON OF LIFTING UP
A SEASON FREE FROM PAIN
BUT EVEN IN THIS SEASON OF NO MAJOR BATTLE
I AM WEARY JUST THE SAME
I CAN NEVER STEP OUT OF THE PLACE
OF NEEDING TO CALL ON YOUR NAME
I DECLARE BEFORE THE WORLD
WHAT YOU KNOW IS IN THE DEPTHS OF ME
IN ALL PRETENSES OF APPEARANCES
MY HEART ALREADY KNOWS
IT IS TRULY ALL IN VAIN
TIME AND TIME AGAIN
NO MATTER WHERE I MIGHT WANDER
I AM YOUR CHILD
AND YOU ARE MY FATHER
APART FROM THEE I AM NOTHING
AND EVERYTHING IS NOTHING
JUST THE SAME
ONLY YOU KNOW
THROUGH MY POINTLESS FIGHTS
THE NEVER ENDING BATTLE OF SOME SORT
TO FINALLY ACHIEVE
SOMETHING
ANYTHING
TO KEEP MY PEACE
& FOR THE WORLD TO BE ABLE TO SAY
IN THEIR SIGHT
"SHE IS BLESSED"
FOR ONCE
INSTEAD OF SAYING 'SHE IS A MESS'
THROUGH THE ENDLESS HURT
AND POINTLESS BATTLES
I TAKE ON MYSELF
YOU AND ONLY YOU
STILL ARE
AND ALWAYS WERE TRULY FIRST!
AND FOR ALL MY FIGHTING
I AM TIRED
AND I FINALLY SIMPLY
CONFESS
I AM GREATLY BLESSED!
THAT THOU ART SIMPLY WITH ME
IN THIS MESS!
WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE THINKS? I HAVE NO POINT TO PROVE ANYMORE!
NOT FOR THE WORLD AND NOT FOR YOU, IT NEVER WAS ABOUT ME AND THEM IT WAS ALWAYS ONLY ABOUT ME AND YOU!
Irresistible
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I have to say, because it is on my heart to do so, do not let the enemy coward you in the darkness in shame, expose him, talk, open yourself to hear from God , and his people. It's a very hard thing to do, and yes chances are good if God is leading you to talk about it, there will be fear, fear of judgment and attack , but TALK if thats where God leads you, The reason is, he has some of is warriors ready to pray for you and speak to you right at that time, don't be afraid, no matter how many devils come forth/attack and speak lies against you or at you right when you are about to get the breakthrough and the truth they get loud. But understanding spiritual warfare, it's not always be careful who you talk to, sometimes you might be lead by God to be transparent and doing so is tied to your victory and the enemy knows you are also opening doors to the Saints , their faith, their word from God for you, their love, their covering , their prayers etc. It's a warfare tactic to not let him have you covered in shame. also be careful to NEVER cover anyone in shame over anything, ONLY HIS LOVE AND HIS TRUTH
That is all, all if this is very close to my heart now in ways I cannot express.
That is all, all if this is very close to my heart now in ways I cannot express.
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Poohbear
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Sidney,
Not trying to disturb the peace but this is easier said than done. I’ve read messages like this over and over and over, but no one is ever able to give any real life solutions.
In other words, let me ask these series of questions for the Christians here who feel like they are not as frustrated or no longer frustrated…
How do you go about believing God for His will concerning only those things that He has placed on your heart? How do you tell the difference between your hearts’ desires and what God desires? (Please do not say the whole selfish rendition. I’m talking about your hearts’ UNSELFISH desires. Not all of our desires are selfish or self-serving).
How can a Christian renew his or her mind in the things of God?
How can a Christian know the will of God after praying for that will?
How do you get in tune with God? I know there are Christians who DO NOT conform to the pattern of this world and still not be in tune with what God wants. How can a Christian be transformed by the renewing of their mind? I’m talking realistically, no fluffy flattering commonplace sayings like “just think positive.” No, what is it?
And we’re always told to pray for wisdom. We’re always told to seek His kingdom and His righteousness. How? We can pray for wisdom, and even obtain it and still left clueless about a lot of things. After seeking His kingdom and righteousness, what’s next?
Then you say a frustrated Christian does not know the will of God… then you say it’s because of wrong motives. Ok so what are the right motives? We already know that selfishness is the wrong motive. I know there are some frustrated Christians who are not praying with the wrong motives.
How do you put God’s will first before everything? Literally? Realistically? In today’s time when we have jobs/careers, families, friends, bills and responsibilities? The only option I see is surrendering all and doing exactly like Jesus who had no job, no money, no shelter, no bills, no family like we have today. I don’t see how anyone can be a 100% true servant of God without giving up their jobs/careers and being homeless and just going around spreading the Gospel on foot.
There are Christians that are willing to occasionally go through something to effectively witness to others. But what’s next after being a witness?
How do you commit everything you have to God? How can one focus on accomplishing what He desires for you?
And about God’s promises…. I know there’s a promise that God will supply every need we have. I know there’s a promise that God’s grace is sufficient for us. I know there’s a promise that God’s children will not be overtaken with temptation. I know there’s a promise that we have victory over death. I know there’s a promise that all things work together for good to those who love and serve Him faithfully. I know there’s a promise that those who believe in Jesus and are baptized for the forgiveness of sins will be saved and that God promises His people eternal life…. What more is there to it? What if a frustrated Christian is not frustrated about these promises? What if they are content but still frustrated about other things? (Not sure if I’m asking what I really wanted to ask here, but I’ll be back later once I think about it more).
Not trying to disturb the peace but this is easier said than done. I’ve read messages like this over and over and over, but no one is ever able to give any real life solutions.
In other words, let me ask these series of questions for the Christians here who feel like they are not as frustrated or no longer frustrated…
How do you go about believing God for His will concerning only those things that He has placed on your heart? How do you tell the difference between your hearts’ desires and what God desires? (Please do not say the whole selfish rendition. I’m talking about your hearts’ UNSELFISH desires. Not all of our desires are selfish or self-serving).
How can a Christian renew his or her mind in the things of God?
How can a Christian know the will of God after praying for that will?
How do you get in tune with God? I know there are Christians who DO NOT conform to the pattern of this world and still not be in tune with what God wants. How can a Christian be transformed by the renewing of their mind? I’m talking realistically, no fluffy flattering commonplace sayings like “just think positive.” No, what is it?
And we’re always told to pray for wisdom. We’re always told to seek His kingdom and His righteousness. How? We can pray for wisdom, and even obtain it and still left clueless about a lot of things. After seeking His kingdom and righteousness, what’s next?
Then you say a frustrated Christian does not know the will of God… then you say it’s because of wrong motives. Ok so what are the right motives? We already know that selfishness is the wrong motive. I know there are some frustrated Christians who are not praying with the wrong motives.
How do you put God’s will first before everything? Literally? Realistically? In today’s time when we have jobs/careers, families, friends, bills and responsibilities? The only option I see is surrendering all and doing exactly like Jesus who had no job, no money, no shelter, no bills, no family like we have today. I don’t see how anyone can be a 100% true servant of God without giving up their jobs/careers and being homeless and just going around spreading the Gospel on foot.
There are Christians that are willing to occasionally go through something to effectively witness to others. But what’s next after being a witness?
How do you commit everything you have to God? How can one focus on accomplishing what He desires for you?
And about God’s promises…. I know there’s a promise that God will supply every need we have. I know there’s a promise that God’s grace is sufficient for us. I know there’s a promise that God’s children will not be overtaken with temptation. I know there’s a promise that we have victory over death. I know there’s a promise that all things work together for good to those who love and serve Him faithfully. I know there’s a promise that those who believe in Jesus and are baptized for the forgiveness of sins will be saved and that God promises His people eternal life…. What more is there to it? What if a frustrated Christian is not frustrated about these promises? What if they are content but still frustrated about other things? (Not sure if I’m asking what I really wanted to ask here, but I’ll be back later once I think about it more).
sidney
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Irresistable, thank you for your comments, you've brought up some very good points, and I will definitely be back on later to respond to what you've shared! Thank you for being transparent and I agree it's important to expose these issues!
sidney
New Member
Thanks for posting this, Sidney...it's a very edifying post ! :Rose:
Thank you for your original post Laela!!!
Poohbear
Fearfully Wonderfully Made
^^^ Still doesn't help answer any of my questions. You just reiterated what was in your initial post, nothing new or any life applications.
What if you put all your cares on Him and put His will first? What if you already feel He will take care of you? And despite all that, you're still frustrated!? Sometimes thoughts and plans do not line up even if you HONESTLY submit the problem to God. I willing to hear the truth but there's nothing a spiritual leader or godly counsel is saying any different than what you have stated.
What if you put all your cares on Him and put His will first? What if you already feel He will take care of you? And despite all that, you're still frustrated!? Sometimes thoughts and plans do not line up even if you HONESTLY submit the problem to God. I willing to hear the truth but there's nothing a spiritual leader or godly counsel is saying any different than what you have stated.
Irresistible
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PB
I do agree that we can be frustrated and still be in his will, because we are process or learning and growing, we are human. I do think the final answer is going to be 'do it his way' 'go his way' do what he asks, etc. . In other words frustration doesnt mean you are out of his will, I do believe he knows our aches, pains, feelings etc. but to get out of the frustration or pain or whatever, it does take constant surrender
renewing of the mind, I know the enemy can be lying to you, I know how I had to recently do it on many things to break some bondages out of my life, I know that it took daily telling myself the truth , not positive thinking, but speaking the word to the lies, speaking faith to the fears, speaking healing to the pain/brokeness etc.
as far as giving up everything to be in his will, or to fully surrender to him,
from what I can see he pretty much probably does not ask you to give up all things at once , or surrender everything to him at once, although it might seem/feel like it at the time, most often he is patiently loving us through our process in this flesh, but as long as our heart truly desires him, it's about him and not us. He still bares with us lovingly no matter where we are at in our process , how long we are crying 'what about me' or whatever it is he is asking us to surrender, he is patient and not necessarily displeased if we are frustrated.
I just told my sister last night when we will get the total victory is when we can stop asking what about me? over one thing or another, not that we are wrong when doing that-or that its ever possible for us to stop totally-he knows us. just at some point he is going to say back to you , yes and' what about me'?
The Christian that is willing to go through some things, I think was just addressing that many of us, think our lives are going to be a certain way walking with him, our relationships, our successes, nobody prepared us for the real pits we could fall into, or how things really would not be 'how we perceived' with our own logic and feelings, how things just should be.
I think if we can help others to know, whats really ahead is not a God that serves us, but a God we must serve first, then he does all things in order and it's always above our understanding. And hey girl I dont profess to know it all here with what I'm saying either, cause I understand now I can only pray I can keep surrendering everything and every way he asks. I truly stood to lose everything and my life. I look ahead just simply day by day now, and not without ache and pain ....For all I thought God would do for me , He actually did greater, but his way and not by anyway I would understand what was being birthed out of it. I do believe it's a process and he allows our process. So mostly just wanted to say I get what you were asking, being frustrated does not mean that across the board you are not in his will. In fact I most often was, I was being broken, molded, renewed, etc. We are truly allowed our 'human' experience and process in what he asks of us. He does meet us all where we are at. Thank God for that .....Amen :Rose: We can't get what we are supposed to get out of it-until we go through it. that will mean some pain and frustration a long the way
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Irresistible
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Just wanted to also share this song here, again not sure if it's been shared , since I havent been around here
YouTube - James Fortune & Fiya 'I Trust You'
it blessed me so greatly
YouTube - James Fortune & Fiya 'I Trust You'
it blessed me so greatly
Laela made a great post in a thread a few nights ago about frustration, and I wanted to discuss the issue of the frustrated christian. If you are a new christian and you haven't been frustrated yet...just wait lol! But I think it's important to know how to navigate this kind of frustration, because when people feel like the word is not working for them, they can depart from it.
So, have you ever felt like God's promises were not working in your life despite the numerous reassurances in his word? I know this is a sensitive topic, but can I be honest? I think the problem for many christians is that they spend a lot of time believing promises OR even acting on promises that God has never given them in the first place....and then later becoming dissapointed with God. Faith is not believing God for whatever your heart desires (yes I know about the scripture about God giving you the desires of your heart). Real faith, is believing God FOR HIS WILL, concerning ONLY THOSE THINGS that HE HIMSELF PLACED IN YOUR HEART. Do not trust every desire in your heart, DO NOT ASSUME that because you feel strongly about something that GOD HAS PLACED IT THERE. Because the bible says that the heart is desperately wicked, and no one can understand it. In the end, trusting your heart to lead and guide you could cause you to end up in a real mess. But I will get back on this later.
Regarding faith, all of those scriptures about faith are true, but only when God has willed what you are believing for. God indeed gives us the desires of our hearts...but only if he placed those desires there. You can speak unto mountains if you want, grow some mustard seeds, speak things into existence, summon the law of attraction....put the holy water AND annointing oil on it, march around your city of jericho seven times....but you are not getting "nada", if it's not according to his will. Many faith preachers leave out the scripture in 1 John 5:14-15, and it grieves me because when it fails people end up angry at God for some failed promise that he never agreed to. Here's the scripture:
"This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him."
John seems pretty confident here, if we ask ANYTHING? Really, anything? Yes, but the key here is that it must be according to his will!
See I don't believe these promises will be available for everybody. And may I be bold and say that these promises are not even available for all of us christians....and this is why we have the issue of the frustrated christian. These promises for those who conform their hearts and renew their minds in the things of God. Because the christian that renews his minds in the things of God KNOWS the will of God. He prays for that will, and it happens just like the word says in 1 John 5:14. It happens because he/she is in tune with God. Romans 12:2. "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will."
God has a a pleasing,perfect will. Your job is to discover and pray for this will, and not just for what you feel strongly about in your heart. This comes only by renewing your mind in the word of God. And if you still don't know, pray for wisdom because God says he will give it to anyone that asks (James 1 5:6). It says "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him." So then, honestly, we all are without excuse because God promises to provide wisdom for any situation. Whatever God's will is, I am willing to bet everything I have that it has something to do with the kingdom or his righteousness, because those are the only things in the bible he EVER tells us to seek after. And it doesn't mean you won't have other things, it just means God will "add" those things. Even marrital relationships are "added" because Proverbs 19:14, says "a prudent wife is from the lord." You can't manipulate yourself into a relationship until God wills it and if you do, there is a chance it can turn out to be a mess. When we renew our minds and pray his true will, His word works! The problem is that the frustrated christian, does not know what the will of the Lord is. God says, "you ask and receive not because you ask amiss, or you ask with wrong motives." James 4:3.
Asking amiss and asking with wrong motives, is like having "Me" syndrome. If your prayer life, is still all about "me", "my life," "my goals," "my caeer," "my marriage," "my breakthrough," "my million dollar business" then I dare say, EXPECT to be frustrated and to be so FOR A LONG TIME!! If we continue to act on our own accord without seeking wisdom from God, we can also expect to be frustrated. And if we never learn what the will of God is, we can expect to be frustrated. Because God is willing to dissapoint you and frustrate your plans, to conform you to the image of his son. To be a servant of God, means to put his will first. To use your time, your gifts, your efforts for HIS WILL! The gospel that serves self and preserves self is no gospel at all.
But the gospel that lays everything down for God and is willing to occassionally GO THROUGH SOMETHING to effectively witness to others is the kind that God can use. God said it there in his word, "he who saves his life will lose it." But he who lays down his life for the sake of the gospel will gain it." Mark 8:35. If you really want to not be frustrated,then try this. Commit everything you have to God. You talents, and everything. Focus on accomplishing what he desires for you, and I know he will establish your plans. Yes, that is prophetic...but only because it comes straight out of his word.
"Roll your works upon the Lord [commit and trust them wholly to Him; He will cause your thougths to become agreeable to His will, and]so shall your plans be established and succeed." Proverbs 16:3
In all you do, do it for God. "His will" will become "the only will"....and there will be no need to be frustrated. When you commit everything to God, you can be confident because you know it's all being done for him. And if you lose something, it's okay...because you are working for him....and not for yourself. So if you don't get the promotion, praise God....it wasn't his will. If you're not married yet, praise God, it's not yet time. Don't listen to the world, listen to what God says. Let us be kingdom-minded about all things, let us do it for the glory of God. Because when we do this, we can win others for him.
When you are in your low valley, you will win others.
When you are on your high mountains, we can win others. Let us remember the point, it's not about us!!! If we have no victory when things don't work out the way WE think they should, we become like the salt God talks about in Matthew 5:13. You are the salt of the earth, but when the salt loses it's flavor, what use is it? How can we reach anyone when we give up on God when things don't turn out the way we plan? Luckily we serve a God that is mindful of us anyhow. And he is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you. (2 Peter 3:9). His promises for you will come to pass! Be assured, but if we are for God, let us be for God. Let us have the wisom to put his kingdom first as Solomon did. And because he put God's kingdom and did not serve himself when he had the opportunity to gain all for himself, God gave him EVERYTHING anyway! I'm not speaking as someone who has mastered anything....but as someone who is also trying to "die daily to this self!"(Luke 9:23). I hope this helps and that the true intent of message is received, it's all stated in love.
Such a good word, Sidney. Keep it coming.
You're such a blessing. :Rose:At the bolded... YES, YES, YES... The Valley!
Poohbear
Fearfully Wonderfully Made
Thanks Irresistible for your post and this video. I've heard this song so many times but never really paid too much attention to the words until now.
So I guess in order to trust God, do we just basically need not to worry about anything at all in this life since earth is our temporary dwelling place?
Irresistible
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lol Poohbear, oh girl you are funny, that just ain't gonna happen, you can see a mountain be moved, yet the next mountain is bigger, you can walk a valley, yet the next valley is darker, you can walk the wilderness yet the next wilderness is longer, it's a fight daily. There is no way in this flesh to not see things how we see it, feel it how we feel it, or not see things we can't see, etc etc and it goes on and on. It's just that when we are done 'feeling' it ALL. He is still there saying 'surrender all those feelings to me' it never fails that he asks that of us. It will never ever never ever be easy. Nobody can pretend to have it all down , I think I heard it put this way, 'New level , New Devil' then there is the Word, 'Pride cometh before a fall' As soon as we think we stand so strong.......pshhh. I think the main point of the first post was saying the only way to stand was get ready to 'fall' some, and also lay yourself 'your will, your feelings, your understanding' and everything that can be named down. I really really don't believe he would ever expect us not to feel, he is way way more loving than that. I know that any and all of us had we been told in advance what we would have to walk through we would have said upfront , 'I can't , I won't. most of us went kicking and screaming to some degree. No , Not this Lord, Not that person, not that relationship, Not my job...etc etc etc. But for all our protesting and frustration and pain and logic and feelings , after we hit the dirt, cry with our faces in the carpet, or whatever, it still comes back to 1 answer. It all was his in the first place, he wants to be Lord in our lives and show us that he is , He wants us to learn more and more to act like it, live like it , believe like it , love like it, etc. I don't really think this is going to just get easy , on any given day, at any given time. I do think God is good to give us seasons of restoration after the battles. which seemingly to me -lately- those seasons are shorter and shorter-like whoa-might be just me though....lol. But in all seriousness, this is so not a joke. All that you might feel is ok girl. It's just he will keep asking you to bring it to him....surrender them to him
Although I'm newly saved maybe this will help.
Anything that you want that does not line up with God's will, is a selfish desire. Yes you might want to spend your life feeding the hungry and giving money to the poor. But if that's not the way God wants you to serve him, it's a selfish desire. It's something you want to do, not what he wants you to do. God may have something different and/or greater planned for your life.
To renew your mind you have to read God's word faithfully. You have to separate man's will from God's will. Throughout our lives we are bombarded with man's idea of what's good and what's right. Through television, music,movies,the media, books,other people, etc. We even get wrong messages from our churches. Right now most of our minds are completely filled with what the world thinks is right. I've learned that some of man's ideas are rooted in bible passages, but twisted around to serve man's purposes.
So when you renew your mind, you check to make sure that your thoughts, line up with God's words. You make sure that any concept you have, is what God says is right( and not man). You even check what your church is saying to make sure it's God' words(and not their own interpretation). If your thoughts aren't correct, you replace them with thoughts straight from the bible.
Everything we do is from our thoughts. We have to think about eating first, before we go to the kitchen and cook. We have to think about going to work before we go. When you are in tune with God, your thoughts and words are in tune. Which transforms you because now your actions are in tune. You aren't the same person you were before. You do things because you love God, not because you want something. You gladly seek God out, to ask for his guidance. When things are going badly, you thank God just as much as you did when things were going well. You pray for God's will and not things you think will please God ( or things you think are unselfish).
The right motives are because you love God. You pray because you love God. You serve and obey because you love God. You spread his word because you love God. You hold your tongue, you turn the other cheek, you get out of bed, you love your neighbors, you love those that gossip about you, you love those trying to destroy you, you help, you give you do, because you love God.
As an example, when you are in love with your husband, you spend time with him because you want to. You call him up and ask his opinion because you want to. You do all kinds of things you never thought you would because you love your husband. You do lots of things to obtain and keep worldly love. You should be doing this and more for God.
People spend hundreds of hours pursuing worldly love, and only give God a couple of hours. They spend hours on the phone talking to girlfriends about men, hours talking to the man, hours daydreaming about the man, reading books about how to get the man,etc. But show up in church on Sundays, and pray a couple of minutes to God daily, and read a few bible passages, and believe that's loving God. If your parents loved you like that, they would be called abusive parents. If your husband loved your child this way, he would be a deadbeat.
Your motives are right, when you spend your time seeking God. When the things you do because you love God, don't seem like chores.
Praying for wisdom doesn't mean that God will reveal everything to you. You may be praying for wisdom, and its something that God doesn't want you to know. So first, its about making sure that having wisdom about that situation, is God's will and not your own. Secondly, it's about God giving you a chance to fall back on your faith. To blindly follow without knowing anything about where you are going. Thirdly, I think that the bible is God's gift of wisdom to us. So if you prayed and haven't directly received wisdom, read the bible to find it.
And you asked what's next after seeking his kingdom and righteousness? You keep on seeking it. You don't get a job one day and say okay, now whats next. You keep working there day after day. Everyday you work at that job you get better, you learn more, you become more experienced. That's the same thing that happens when you keep seeking his kingdom and righteousness. Keep gladly seeking it with love and God will show you what's next.
You don't have to be like Jesus to put God's will before everything. Jesus had his mission and you have yours. You have to find out what God's will for you is. How God wants you to serve him. Use the tools that God has given us, prayer, the bible, and the holy ghost to find out what God wants in your life.
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PG480
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Sidney you are truly under the anointing and walking in it. This is an excellent post!
I can truly testify to the TRUTH in your post due to my experience of going through a season/period of brokenness. It was only after I yielded to the process and began to walk in total dependence and obedience, that I was able to grasp what it is to truly love Him. And truly loving Him meant trusting Him and in His will for me. I now know what it means when it says we must continually "die to our self" daily to fulfill His perfect will for us and the kingdom. God Bless you sis and keep them coming!
I can truly testify to the TRUTH in your post due to my experience of going through a season/period of brokenness. It was only after I yielded to the process and began to walk in total dependence and obedience, that I was able to grasp what it is to truly love Him. And truly loving Him meant trusting Him and in His will for me. I now know what it means when it says we must continually "die to our self" daily to fulfill His perfect will for us and the kingdom. God Bless you sis and keep them coming!
sidney
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Irresistable, sorry I took so long to respond to you but I wanted to thank you for your testimony and for everything you posted here!! You are a true witness that God can take you through but also bring you out. Through everything you have gone through, you are still standing and you are still believing....and others are blessed by reading what you have said. The video you posted spoke volumes, epecially these parts 3:20, 5:00, 6:22, 8:00. I'm going to try to find the entire sermon because I think these were exerpts from his message. You know someone is truly preaching the word of God, when the message points to God and not the messenger and this message certainty did just that. Thank you for encouraging us, your post was a blessing.
Thank you!!!
sidney
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Great point! There are many illustrations like this, Hannah and Hezekiah come to mind.
sidney
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You know what, when you think about it, there really isn't a precedence in the bible for a ease for doing God's will. The true disciples of Christ went through a lot to accomplish God's willDavid, Elijah, and Paul come to mind. It got so bad for Elijah that he begged God to kill him. And David, was persecured by Saul. T. Think of Paul, he was stoned, beaten, shipwrecked, three times, whipped almost unto death, all to accomplish the will of God. Great point!
sidney
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I love the bolded points!
sidney
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wow this is such a witness to me, this thread ,this post,
The one you are responding to ....all of it....I wrote something a long these lines...and it was even before what I feel to date was the darkest storm, required (not that any other didn't) total reliance on God just to think straight, or know how to react in a spit second with trust in him, in the face serious danger/destruction
but it applied then, even more real to me now than ever, I now understand the more this is a revelation in me the more the blessing
FATHER ONLY YOU KNOW ME
THE STRENGTHS THE WEAKNESS WITHIN ME
MY GREATEST JOY'S
MY DEEPEST PAINS
I AM NOTHING WITHOUT THEE
YOU HAVE FORMED ME
YOU HAVE MOLDED ME
EVEN IN MY HUMAN RESISTANCE
ONLY YOU KNOW
HOW I LET YOU FREELY
ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE HOW I AM
DISPLEASING TO THEE
HOW IT SADDENS ME TO KNOW
I ALWAYS WILL BE
TO SOME DEGREE
HOW I DEEPLY HATE HOW OTHERS
ARE SO QUICK TO POINT A FINGER
AND NOT SEE
THE LOG IN THEIR EYE
DUE TO THE SPECK IN MINE
HOW THAT HATE HAS TRAPPED ME
HOW I JUST WANT THEM TO SEE
THAT WHEN THEY DO SUCH A THING
THEY TOO DISPLEASE THEE
HOW I JUST WANT TO BE FREE
TO BE
HOW THAT ALSO ENTRAPS ME
HOW I FIND HOPE
ONLY IN YOUR MERCY
HOW YOU HAVE MIGHTILY
SHOWN ME YOUR GRACE
AND POWER
HOW I AM BROKEN BEFORE YOU
REPEATEDLY
HOW I TRY TO STAND
LIKE YOUR BIG GIRL
AND BE BRAVE
HOW I FEAR I AM MESSING UP
AND WILL BE BROUGHT BACK INTO PLACE
BY YOUR CHASTENING
WHICH IS YOUR
LOVE AND GRACE
HOW I WANT SO DESPERATELY
TO BE FREE
FROM ME
MY WORST ENEMY
I FIGHT TO MAKE POINTS
THAT SEEM TOTALLY POINTLESS
ANYWAY
IS IT FOR THEM
OR ME
I CAN NEVER STAND ALONE
NOT THAT I WANT TO
I JUST WANT TO BREATHE
IN A PLACE WHERE I AM NOT GRASPING
FOR YOU TO SUSTAIN ME
EVERY MOMENT
OF EVERY DAY
WILL I EVER SEE THAT PLACE?
FORGIVE MY FOOLISHNESS
FOR I KNOW
FOR ALL MY LONGING TO HAVE LOVE AND THINGS IN THIS WORLD
IN THIS TIME AND SPACE
TO BE UPHELD BY ANTHING OR ANYONE
IN THIS WORLD
IS FOLLY
AND MY HURTING WHEN I ALWAYS FALL ON MY FACE
THERE IS NOTHING AND NOONE THAT CAN HOLD ME LIKE YOUR LOVING GRACE
ONLY YOU CAN HOLD ME
KEEP ME AND THINGS TOGETHER
I KNOW ITS NOT WITHIN MY POWER
ONLY YOU KNOW HOW I HAVE NEED OF THEE
I AM NOT WITHOUT SIN BEFORE THEE
NEVER HAVE BEEN
I UNDERSTAND I NEVER WILL BE
I KNOW YOU SEE MY HEART
AND ALL THAT I AM TRYING TO BE
AS I FIGHT TO NEVER WITHHOLD YOUR LOVE
FROM ANOTHER
I KNOW YOU WONT WITHHOLD FROM ME
I AM AFRAID OF BEING BROKEN AGAIN
IT HAS SEEMED SO CONSTANT
MY IT WAS LONELY
AND DARK
MY HOW I GOT WEARY
MY HOW I HURT!
I ADMIT TO THE WORLD OPENLY
AND TO THEE
I AM RUNNING
NOWHERE QUICKLY
OH BUT NOT FROM ME
BUT FROM BEING BROKEN
TIME AND TIME AGAIN
BEFORE THEE
AND I AM AFRAID
I JUST WANT A SEASON OF LIFTING UP
A SEASON FREE FROM PAIN
BUT EVEN IN THIS SEASON OF NO MAJOR BATTLE
I AM WEARY JUST THE SAME
I CAN NEVER STEP OUT OF THE PLACE
OF NEEDING TO CALL ON YOUR NAME
I DECLARE BEFORE THE WORLD
WHAT YOU KNOW IS IN THE DEPTHS OF ME
IN ALL PRETENSES OF APPEARANCES
MY HEART ALREADY KNOWS
IT IS TRULY ALL IN VAIN
TIME AND TIME AGAIN
NO MATTER WHERE I MIGHT WANDER
I AM YOUR CHILD
AND YOU ARE MY FATHER
APART FROM THEE I AM NOTHING
AND EVERYTHING IS NOTHING
JUST THE SAME
ONLY YOU KNOW
THROUGH MY POINTLESS FIGHTS
THE NEVER ENDING BATTLE OF SOME SORT
TO FINALLY ACHIEVE
SOMETHING
ANYTHING
TO KEEP MY PEACE
& FOR THE WORLD TO BE ABLE TO SAY
IN THEIR SIGHT
"SHE IS BLESSED"
FOR ONCE
INSTEAD OF SAYING 'SHE IS A MESS'
THROUGH THE ENDLESS HURT
AND POINTLESS BATTLES
I TAKE ON MYSELF
YOU AND ONLY YOU
STILL ARE
AND ALWAYS WERE TRULY FIRST!
AND FOR ALL MY FIGHTING
I AM TIRED
AND I FINALLY SIMPLY
CONFESS
I AM GREATLY BLESSED!
THAT THOU ART SIMPLY WITH ME
IN THIS MESS!
WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE THINKS? I HAVE NO POINT TO PROVE ANYMORE!
NOT FOR THE WORLD AND NOT FOR YOU, IT NEVER WAS ABOUT ME AND THEM IT WAS ALWAYS ONLY ABOUT ME AND YOU!
Wow, wow, wow....this poem speaks volumes, thank you for sharing it with us!! It's really a testimony in these words!!
sidney
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sidney
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Such a good word, Sidney. Keep it coming.
At the bolded... YES, YES, YES... The Valley!
Thank you Shimmie! The things we do to avoid the valley! But even in the valley there is a way out. I found this scripture on someone else's blog and a statement they made that I thought was great, and it reminded me of a "Shimmie Word"...."He will also provide a way out so you can stand up under it."
1 Corinthians 10:13
“No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.”
David was not a perfect example on how to live because of his monumental mistakes that he made in his life. But I believe the reason God called him “A Man after his own Heart” was because of his faithfulness to God in times of trouble and despair. In that aspect David gives us a perfect example of how are we are supposed to handle those valleys in life. By remembering who we are serving. Who led us to that valley? God did. God led you there and “he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.” and then (when his time is right) he will lead you out of there and onto a hill. You may go back into valleys but as long as you remember the example of David and Praise God and have Faith in him through the valley, even when you don’t think anybody is listening. You will come out of it and be all the more stronger of a person ready and able to do God’s Will. Praise his name because he is faithful.
sidney
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Wow, there was a lot of wisdom in this post, thank you!! Especially the bolded. All great points mvonnesha.
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