• ⏰ Welcome, Guest! You are viewing only 2 out of 27 total forums. Register today to view more, then Subscribe to view all forums, submit posts, reply to posts, create new threads, view photos, access private messages, change your avatar, create a photo album, customize your profile, and possibly be selected as our next Feature of the Month.

Finally FED UP!! (Long Post)

⏳ Limited Access:

Register today to view all forum posts.

AngieK

New Member
<font color="brown">My saga began last Friday . . .

Well, I was supposed to get my relaxer done last Friday at the JC Penney salon. Since my regular stylist has moved away due to an illness in his family, this was my first time going to this salon. Anyway, once I got there, I chatted with the stylist and she determined that I have "soft" hair. However, she did not have an appropriate relaxer for my hair type. She only had Dudley's (too strong), and Affirm no-lye (I won't use a no-lye). Discouraged, I asked her if it would be okay to bring my own relaxer. I planned on letting her use the Elucence since I had always gotten the best results with it. She agreed that it would be better to wait until I could bring the relaxer that works well on my hair and suggested that we do a wash and set.

Okay, there I was almost 13 weeks post relaxer with a TON of new growth. I normally get it done every 8 to 10 weeks, but I was waiting to see if my other stylist was going to return. I did not want to bother with having to wash and set it myself (too much new growth), so I welcomed the prospect of her doing it for me.

She washed it and gave it 2 conditioners. I assume the first one was protein, and the second was a moisturizer. I went under the dryer for both of them. Up until this point, everything was pretty uneventful.

Once she rinsed my hair, she proceeded to set my hair . . . no oil, no leave-in conditioner, only a foaming setting lotion. After the rollers came out, she was getting ready to wrap it. I commented that I looked a little dry and stated that it needed some oil. She took some "hair grease" and rubbed it between her palms and applied a light coating to the outside layer of my hair. Then she wrapped it and placed me under the dryer. It looked okay when it was done, but it looked and felt dry.

Once I got home, I oiled it with my Mango Butter oil mixture and wrapped it again. It felt much better, but not like it would had the oil been applied before it was set. Well, my hair felt dry all weekend and started shedding and I noticed that it was breaking when I combed it. It was breaking A LOT (snap-crackle-pop
cry3.gif
). By Monday my scalp started to itch (my scalp rarely itches). I did not want to scratch it because my relaxer appointment was set for Wednesday. HOWEVER, my scalp in the back really started itching to the point where I could not ignore it. I started to rub it lightly and then it started to itch - - and BURN! My scalp was inflamed and I could actually feel heat coming from it
shocked.gif
. Well, I had no choice but to wash it. I used a mild shampoo (Aubrey's White Camillia and Jasmine), and a balanced natural conditioner (Druide Tangle-Free). I could tell that my scalp had been traumatized because the shampoo burned a little during the first application. I left the conditioner on for 1 hour with no heat. By the time I rinsed, the burning/itching had subsided. During the combout, I also noticed that elasticity had been restored to my hair. I suspect that my hair was not rinsed well at that salon, which would explain the burning scalp, as well as the brittle hair. I was really discouraged by all the breakage and shedding. It just did not seem right for me to go for a year of careful combing, oiling, trims, conditioning, etc., only to lose a TON of hair in ONE WEEKEND
angry2.gif
.

That was the final straw . . . I have been trough 4 stylists in the last year and a half. It was last February when I stopped traveling to my stylist back home (I have only lived here for a little over 2 years). I was now determined to take my hair care into my own hands. I have been relaxing my daughter's hair since last year, and I finally decided to relax my own hair. I had been toying with the idea for a few months now, but I finally made the decision that now is the time.

I had to wait until I felt that my scalp was healed and I made sure to keep the new growth soft and moisturized for the remainder of the week. I relaxed it today with Elucence (normal strength). After rinsing, I used Nexxus Emergencee (a tip I picked up from a salon manual). Then I WASHED out the Emergencee (not supposed to rinse it out) using Elucence Moisture Acidifying shampoo 2x, and then Elucence Moisture Benefits shampoo. I acidified again with a Vitamin C rinse and then applied Joico K-Pac (thanks Supergirl
cool.gif
). This stayed in for 20 minutes with heat. After rinsing, I acidified again with herbal ACV rinse. Then I applied my "END ALL SAVE ALL" of conditioning concoctions: One part Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner, one part Elucence Extended Moisture Repair, and one part Kenra Intensive Emollient Treatment - 20 minutes with heat.

After a roller set and wrap, my hair looked great! It was relaxed evenly with no underprocessed areas (thanks to multiple mirrors), and it was soft, shiny and moisturized
love.gif
.

And so my saga ends here. Now, if I could only learn to cut and trim . . .

AngieK</font>
 
Well girlie!

It sounds like you had alot of drama, but that you came out okay. Now, I'm gonna have to try this blend you do with Elucence MB, Elucence EMR, and Kenra KIE. I have the Elucence products, but I have the regular Kenra Moisturizing, not the KIE. (but I love that regular Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner). What a fun combination!

Girl, do you think you did enough conditioning
laugh.gif


I don't think your year of "hair-discipline" has been ruined by this one experience. Truthfully, that stylist probably didn't know how to deal with hair that was 13 weeks post-relaxer. She should have just had you to come back for your re-touch without servicing you on that day. Anyway, sounds like you're okay now
smile.gif
 
congrats on taking matters into your own hands. If I could relax my own hair I would be so happy!
 
If a stylist fails at a simple wash and set, they definitely shouldn't get a chance to put chemicals in your hair! Good for you.
up.gif
 
[ QUOTE ]
If a stylist fails at a simple wash and set, they definitely shouldn't get a chance to put chemicals in your hair! Good for you.
up.gif


[/ QUOTE ]
D I T T O
 
Girl...I know how you feel....I only trust ME to do my hair. I have a friend who used to be a hairdresser to trim it...but I'd really like to do it myself....maybe one day. Doesn't it feel good to not have to depend on somone else's mood and lack of knowledge to do your hair? I love being able to do my own hair.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Girl...I know how you feel....I only trust ME to do my hair.

[/ QUOTE ]

DITTO! Im glad everything worked out.
 
Hi Angie K.

I am really glad that everything worked out for you. My old stylist was also employed by JC Penney. She used Affirm No-Lye and overprocessed my hair. I currently do my own relaxers (Elucence Gentle) and my hair has never looked better. I know nothing about cutting or trimming either, but I just take a chance and trim my ends with every touchup. I am trying to get rid of the overprocessed hair gradually.

Please forgive me if I have you mixed up with someone else. But, I believe at one point you were using Tresemme 4 X 4 Sealant???? I purchased this product and got amazing results (soft, super hydrated hair). However, over time it stopped working. It started to dry out my hair for some reason. What was your final opinion of this product after using it over time?

Thanks.
 
AngieK,

This is wonderful ending to an otherwise traumatizing experience. I applaud you for taking matters into your own hands - a very proactive approach - becasue it was done with much deliberation and careful thought. You're a smart lady.
smile.gif


I agree that the bout with the rollerset (although upseting I understand) probably had less of a permanant effect than you suspected as evidenced by your hiar turning out wonderfully, and looking fine, when you did it on your own. As long as chemicals or scissors aren't involved with stylist mishaps, you can usually manage the "fallout" (npi) yourself and come out no worse for wear.

YAY ANGIEK!
clap.gif
 
Hi Angiek,
I usually do my own hair too and glad to know you fixed things. Question for you is 'what is a vitamin c rinse'?
Peace
 
Congradulations on taking matters into your own hands! You must feel sooo empowered right about now. I'm so proud of you!
 
I'm so proud of you Angie K, it sounds like you did an excellent job on your own hair and now you'll have more money to spend on products instead of some inept stylist!
clap.gif


Power to the people!
woot.gif
 
You go girl! Congratulations on taking control of your hair's well being. I would love to see some pics.

You have really accomplished something here. Keep up the good work!
 
<font color="brown">Whitelily,

Yes, it was me who posted the review of the Tresemme 4+4 Mango Sealant (sometime last year). I still have some, but I don't use it very often anymore. It never dried out my hair, but I found that it didn't always give consistent results. Somtimes, my hair was soft and "super hydrated", while other times it just felt like a basic conditioner. I have other conditioners that I like better.

I really try to pay attention to my conditioners that have silicones in them because I think my hair may be sensitive to them. However, not all silicone conditioners are the same - - I have found that it is the total formulation that matters moreso than the simple presence of the silicones. For instance, I have a problem with many of the Rusk conditoners - - but I absolutely LOVE my Aveda conditioners. Maybe that is the problem with the Mango Sealant. Anyway, I still use it, but not on a regular basis - - very infrequently.

AngieK

P.S. I will take your advice about the gradual trimming. I don't have any over/under processed hair, but I want to keep my ends looking healthy. </font>
 
<font color="brown">Myhairsos,

Regarding the Vitamin C rinse, it is simply an acidic rinse that is made with Vitamin C powder and distilled water. It seems to be a little stronger than an ACV rinse, though I don't have the actual pH numbers. I tend to use it in conjunction with any heavy duty protein conditioners. Mahalialee (sp?) introduced the concept a year or so back and I experimented with it in comparison to ACV. When compared with the ACV rinse, I noticed the biggest difference when used before and/or after protein conditoners, ESPECIALLY with the ApHogee treatment.

AngieK</font>
 
<font color="brown">Thanks SO MUCH for the words of encouragement - - and YES, I do feel empowered
king.gif
.

Although I did experience a lot of breakage and shedding, it wasn't enough to warrant a chop job (which is what I was expecting). It looks a little thinned out in the back to me (where all of the burning and breakage occurred), but my husband doesn't seem to think so. In fact, he thinks that it looks better than it ever has following a relaxer! Anyway, I will be able to tell the degree of damage moreso the next time I air dry.

Anyway, I will try to get some pictures to post within the next 2 weeks (not sure how to post them). My husband stated that he will take them for me
grin.gif


AngieK </font>
 
[ QUOTE ]
You go girl! Congratulations on taking control of your hair's well being. I would love to see some pics.

You have really accomplished something here. Keep up the good work!

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah we'dlove to see some pics angie!
 
[ QUOTE ]
<font color="brown">Myhairsos,

Regarding the Vitamin C rinse, it is simply an acidic rinse that is made with Vitamin C powder and distilled water. It seems to be a little stronger than an ACV rinse, though I don't have the actual pH numbers. I tend to use it in conjunction with any heavy duty protein conditioners. Mahalialee (sp?) introduced the concept a year or so back and I experimented with it in comparison to ACV. When compared with the ACV rinse, I noticed the biggest difference when used before and/or after protein conditoners, ESPECIALLY with the ApHogee treatment.

AngieK</font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Yay, hair buddy!
trampoline.gif
That's so great you can do your own hair. I noticed you also use Mahalia Lee's vitamin C rinse. She had some great recipes!
smile.gif
Congratulations on your successful touchup.
 
AngieK, I am glad that I found this post because it really inspires me to do my own relaxers.
I just have to get some good mirrors and decide between Elucence and Affirm.
 
i've had the same "dry" experience at a jcpenney salon before and the stylist told me that my hair was damaged. no you didn't put any oil on my hair. I had to go and wash and do some deep moisturizing conditioning for my parched hair
 
Yeah! Good for you! This is the direction I know I need to go. One day I'll get up the courage and experience to do my own. Thanks for sharing.

Did I hear you say "cone" sensitive. PM coming your way.
 
You did good!
bouncy.gif


? You mentioned in your post that you washed out Emergencee instead of rinsed, Why? And what difference did you noticed doing it this way?

Thanks
 
<font color="brown">HOTCHOCOLATE,

I can't remember the technical reason for washing it out vs. rinsing the Emergencee, but here is what I DO remember.

The article mentioned that for relaxers, the salon trend was moving toward using conditioners for neutralizing vs. shampoos. The conditioners that should be used for this purpose are those with a low pH. Emergencee was listed as having a pH of 3.5 and was suggested for the purpose of neutralizing and conditioning. Also, since the cuticle is very open at this time, this is the best time to apply a reconstructing conditioner.

The article also stated that "blasting" the hair with water during the relaxer rinse, and then again during aggressive shampooing is actually damaging to the cuticle and may cause them to be "roughed up", leaving a rough feeling to the hair. They suggested rinsing the relaxer completely, then use a low Ph conditioner/reconstructor. Then they stated that the conditioner should be lathered out with the shampoo (I use a post-chemical acidifying shampoo). I think it had something to do with being able to retain the conditioning benefits and not roughing up the cuticle in the process. Actually rinsing the conditioner with water (7 ph) would lift the cuticle and remove more of it. It had a lot to do with keeping an acidic environment (low pH conditioner and shampoo) and not roughing up the cuticle.

Anyway, I will try to find that article so that I can obtain the exact expalnation about this.

AngieK

P.S. Regarding my personal results, I noticed that my hair was VERY shiny and smooth. Once dry and styled, it felt more swingy than usual, and it was well conditoned. I acidified after each step, and I really think that it made a HUGE difference. </font>
 
Back
Top