"Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Potion!

[preciouslove0x]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

^^^ Is that gif from a show or real life???

 

[reeko43]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

I read this whole thread and viewed both the length check and apology. My two cents:

I find what she said offensive, if not to myself to anyone, she meant it to be offensive and so it was. I will never click on another video she uploads because I found her apology lacking contriteness, so say the least. When you apologize, you don't have to recount what the other did or said to make you angry, you simply apologize and end it with asking their forgiveness.
JMO

Oh my gosh, your post is dead on, every word.

 

[mzteaze]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Really? I have found that many women would rather pay big bucks for some magic potion than take the simple, tried and true steps to long healthy hair. I know people who keep looking for some product that will grow their hair while they keep abusing it, and doing nothing different. I keep telling folks, to get unusual results, you need to do unusual things. Madness is doing the same things and expecting different results. But folks just can't break free from the habits that hurt their hair. I can't count how many of my friends almost had panic attacks because I suggested washing their hair more often. Yet they keep asking "what do you use?"

"A fool and his money are soon parted." There is a price to be paid for ignorance. It's unfortunate but it's the way life is.

Very true...and when you add in the fact that people want INSTANT results. Just consistently taking better care of your hair yields results - as long as you are PATIENT.

 

[fiyahwerks]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Very true...and when you add in the fact that people want INSTANT results. Just consistently taking better care of your hair yields results - as long as you are PATIENT.

^ 100% Truth.

And training yourself for patience isn't fun... It's so hard not to become a product junkie or bandwagoneer on here (and I only been here a short period of time). You see all the pictures, products, promises and you want it instantly. I completely understand why so many lose their money and mind to so much nonsense.

 

[cocosweet]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

@cocosweet

Chitlin juice consist of magnificent properties that excelerate the hair growth.
Some buy it from the store but I like mines fresh so I go out to a farm every 2-3 weeks to shoot and gut a pig for the juice. You know what? Maybe I should start a chitlin juice challenge.

Oh yes. I prefer Georgia chitlin juice myself. Preferably kept at room temperature so that the chemical reaction that creates the funk will stimulate my scalp.
Let the stinky shenanigans begin!

 

[adamson]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Ladies prepare yourself for this

After reading through the comments and seeing the price of the 32oz was $70. WEll, check this out

http://www.hairdrenalin.com/How_To_Order.html

Now that she has taken out the garlic and onion shouldnt the prices be different. Hmmmm I smell something funny here

$124, though?!?!?!?!!!

I need to get into this youtube game, seriously. I could use a job...

eta: I was looking at the international part. Still, though, dang.

 

[SerenavanderWoodsen]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Why do I have to be angry because I am writing how I feel. I may be irritated but not angry. I only get irritated when people try to pull the wool over the eyes of others.

Or in this instance, pull an eye length fro' over people's eyes .

Her attitude really pisses me off. I didn't know about her b4 this thread but she gives off such a knowitall vibe yet her hair is weird beyond my comprehension. Why is her fro relaxed? I wish people would stop falling for stuff She's sitting back getting rich laughing lol.

 

[prettypithy]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

I didn't know about her b4 this thread but she gives off such a knowitall vibe yet her hair is weird beyond my comprehension. Why is her fro relaxed?

 

[lilyofthenile]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

BTW, Valerie has now decided to use a measuring tape to measure her hair growth. Too little too late LOL.

 

[lilyofthenile]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

I think you're talking about me ^^


*Refers to bolded section*

 

[lilyofthenile]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

maybe now they are. i dunno, i don't stalk the thread. at the time tho when it was new and already many pages deep (this ish caught on like wildfire!) most people did not want to go through the effort of mixing everything and just wanted to buy the potion already made.

it doesn't matter tho, that wasn't my point. my point was that many people are buying or MAKING (like it matters) her magic potion and adding pure sulphur to it, the one item most can agree has direct impact on growth, and then they are continuing to talk about how good the potion is.

once additional ingredients are added it's not even the same thing anymore and people are just lying to themselves about how great the original product is.

anyhoo, like i said already women can do whatever; it's not like the potion is gonna make someone's hair fall out.

--> ALTHOUGH i did actually visit the lhcf thread dedicated to the potion last night after seeing this thread and read that recently someone was complaining of excessive shedding due to the potion and another helpful poster told her the shedding meant her follicles were being renewed or some such and it meant the potion is working. LMAO!!!! i almost died

don't mind me y'all, i have nothing better to do than hate on a poor woman and her clientelle. tho i would also caution those of you caping for her to find something worthwhile to defend.

I think you're talking about me ^^


*Refers to bolded section*

Don't knock what you haven't tried

 

[lilyofthenile]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

I find it so sad that a couple of ladies here chose to make fun of what I said without researching what I said. It's really sad to just go to this thread and point out what someone said on another thread, without researching or even trying the potion. I never gave my money to Valerie, I never bought anything from her. I made my own potion.

I had a hard time growing hair due to medication and I wanted to make up for it. I have a really extensive regimen and I take good care of my health and my hair. I had nothing to lose by using this potion because I had all of the ingredients at home. It worked on my edges - although I haven't been consistent with it. I really thought that we would have been able to do our own thing, without being knocked down for it. I guess my expectations of this forum was high. It's just really sad how some ladies here chose to make fun of someone using something that has shown to work for a lot of ladies. BTW a lot of the ingredients in the potion have been proven to stimulate hair growth. I'm going to do me.

 

[curlycrocheter]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

I've read this whole thread and think some people are forgetting something.

Regardless of whether or not this person had a business plan/is just a regular woman/is only human/makes mistakes/whatever other excuse people are trying to give.....Once she accepted $$$ in exchange for goods&services she BECAME a business woman. And she needs to act accordingly. Whether or not someone was trying to throw shade, she should have remained professional. That's not good customer service.

I would never go back into a brick&mortar establisment if I heard the owner berating a potential customer.

 

[reeko43]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

@KumakoXsd, I understand your situation as I am hair loss issues as well due to medical reasons. I don't knock people who try different things because I have tried some of the suggestions here on the forum. I started this thread and another one regarding Valerie because I don't like con artists. The only reason why this woman made and continues to make ridiculous growth claims is to hype up interest in her "potion" and drum up business.

Does she really care about healthy hair growth? The truth is evident. Valerie is evasive when answering questions and proving her hair growth claims. When she initially came on the scene claiming 3" in 7 weeks, she did not report onion and garlic oil as part of her ingredients. Now, its a excuse, if the oils are not used for people not getting the growth.
When people report that they have had no growth out of the ordinary, her cult followers swoop down on these people making it seem as if the user did something wrong. Did you massage daily, ghe, take vitamins, exercise, spin on your head, etc? If you have to do all of that, who needs the potion?

I don't think people give themselves enough credit for the ability to do their own research. Yes, people are seeing results; however, they are also taking better care of their hair massaging and tending to it on a daily basis. Summer is a time of growth spurt without any potion.

There have been women here who have shared their "potion" recipes and their hair is their advertisement. There is no need to make outlandish claims. There is also no need for people to blindly follow these overnight sensations, freely emptying their pockets and worshipping them as gods. People have the right to question bogus claims and get real answers. It is obvious that common sense left the building when people think nothing is wrong about a person targeting African American women for business uses a derogatory hair slur as a verbal put down.

I wish you well in your hair journey and I am glad that something is working for you. Sorry for the long post.

 

[EllePixie]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Bravo, reeko43. I truly hope that no one thinks that the ladies in this thread are knocking people for using this mixture for growth, as the ingredients have proven to be beneficial for hair. But...imo, there is a difference between sharing growth methods and taking advantage of people.

 

[lilyofthenile]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

@KumakoXsd, I understand your situation as I am hair loss issues as well due to medical reasons. I don't knock people who try different things because I have tried some of the suggestions here on the forum. I started this thread and another one regarding Valerie because I don't like con artists. The only reason why this woman made and continues to make ridiculous growth claims is to hype up interest in her "potion" and drum up business.

Does she really care about healthy hair growth? The truth is evident. Valerie is evasive when answering questions and proving her hair growth claims. When she initially came on the scene claiming 3" in 7 weeks, she did not report onion and garlic oil as part of her ingredients. Now, its a excuse, if the oils are not used for people not getting the growth.
When people report that they have had no growth out of the ordinary, her cult followers swoop down on these people making it seem as if the user did something wrong. Did you massage daily, ghe, take vitamins, exercise, spin on your head, etc? If you have to do all of that, who needs the potion?

I don't think people give themselves enough credit for the ability to do their own research. Yes, people are seeing results; however, they are also taking better care of their hair massaging and tending to it on a daily basis. Summer is a time of growth spurt without any potion.

There have been women here who have shared their "potion" recipes and their hair is their advertisement. There is no need to make outlandish claims. There is also no need for people to blindly follow these overnight sensations, freely emptying their pockets and worshipping them as gods. People have the right to question bogus claims and get real answers. It is obvious that common sense left the building when people think nothing is wrong about a person targeting African American women for business uses a derogatory hair slur as a verbal put down.

I wish you well in your hair journey and I am glad that something is working for you. Sorry for the long post.

Thank you for your response and I completely agree with you. I really appreciate this response and that is something I always keep in mind.

 

[*Frisky*]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Ok I am just gonna say it...whoever is paying this kind of money for something they really have no clue as to what is really in it, is not very smart. Now, I am not doubting the so called ingredients will not promote hair growth but come on yall, this board is full of very intelligent women that can make this stuff themselves and know for a fact what's in it. Another thing that concerns me is that did Valerie go through all the business channels before she decided to sell her products? Some states you have to have business license, trade name registration, insurance, following FDA laws etc. If she doesn't have all that stuff in place, she is not very smart either. Maybe she does but it seems like she got the ball rolling real quick on this and it takes sometimes 30 to 45 days to get your paperwork back unless like someone else said, she already had it in the works to market her products but acted like she didn't. If she doesn't have liability insurance and someone decides to sue her, it's a wrap. She really needs to provide more proof especially if she is actually using the phrase "grow 3 inches in 7 weeks". As far as the buckshot comment, once you crossover to the business side of things you need to practice more professionalism no matter what the situation is. It is a given that skeptism is going to come from everywhere when dealing with stuff like this and you have to refrain from saying something you might regret.

 

[reeko43]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Bravo, @reeko43. I truly hope that no one thinks that the ladies in this thread are knocking people for using this mixture for growth, as the ingredients have proven to be beneficial for hair. But...imo, there is a difference between sharing growth methods and taking advantage of people.

Amen! Oh and by the way, I am drooling looking at that gif! Ok, back to reality reeko, lol!

 

[nzeee]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

maybe now they are. i dunno, i don't stalk the thread. at the time tho when it was new and already many pages deep (this ish caught on like wildfire!) most people did not want to go through the effort of mixing everything and just wanted to buy the potion already made.

it doesn't matter tho, that wasn't my point. my point was that many people are buying or MAKING (like it matters) her magic potion and adding pure sulphur to it, the one item most can agree has direct impact on growth, and then they are continuing to talk about how good the potion is.

once additional ingredients are added it's not even the same thing anymore and people are just lying to themselves about how great the original product is.

anyhoo, like i said already women can do whatever; it's not like the potion is gonna make someone's hair fall out.

--> ALTHOUGH i did actually visit the lhcf thread dedicated to the potion last night after seeing this thread and read that recently someone was complaining of excessive shedding due to the potion and another helpful poster told her the shedding meant her follicles were being renewed or some such and it meant the potion is working. LMAO!!!! i almost died

don't mind me y'all, i have nothing better to do than hate on a poor woman and her clientelle. tho i would also caution those of you caping for her to find something worthwhile to defend.

I think you're talking about me ^^


*Refers to bolded section*

Don't knock what you haven't tried

I find it so sad that a couple of ladies here chose to make fun of what I said without researching what I said. It's really sad to just go to this thread and point out what someone said on another thread, without researching or even trying the potion. I never gave my money to Valerie, I never bought anything from her. I made my own potion.

I had a hard time growing hair due to medication and I wanted to make up for it. I have a really extensive regimen and I take good care of my health and my hair. I had nothing to lose by using this potion because I had all of the ingredients at home. It worked on my edges - although I haven't been consistent with it. I really thought that we would have been able to do our own thing, without being knocked down for it. I guess my expectations of this forum was high. It's just really sad how some ladies here chose to make fun of someone using something that has shown to work for a lot of ladies. BTW a lot of the ingredients in the potion have been proven to stimulate hair growth. I'm going to do me.

KumakoXsd awwww, don't take it so hard. i'm glad reeko43 was on the board and able to respond before i did because she handled it beautifully; identifying where Valerie is dead wrong while not disparaging her clients (or just believers in your case since you hadn't purchased anything).

but as your comment was directed at me i should say something (less eloquently of course). so here goes:

i was purposely not linking to the existing thread and purposely didn't quote you direct because i didn't want to specifically call anyone out. pls understand tho that my comment was more about the blind faith everyone is putting into this 'potion' by making excuses when it doesn't work the way it's being advertised.

I'm sorry, but if you are using something on your head that you know is causing excessive shedding, the completely non-scientific response you received is just not OK. if you are experiencing more than normal shedding stop what you're using and reassess -- it doesn't mean the product is working really well.

the blind faith based on lack of evidence is problematic. luckily you made your own mix so you know exactly what was in it and the proportions used so it will be easier for you to confirm what the problem might be, but consider how dangerous that kind of advice could be for another person reading the board (lurking) w/ the same problem who had actually purchased the product. her mind would be put at ease and she would continue to use something that was actually harming her.

it deeply troubles me how quickly that thread grew and how supportive women are being based on NO EVIDENCE of valerie's claims. once again, as i've said a few times, if she is being honest about what she puts in her product then there's nothing 'wrong' w/ it and many people will likely see 'some' amt of growth just by virtue of them adopting a consistent regimen of oiling their hair and stimulating their follicles. But the fact remains that 3-in-7 based on the combination of ingredients she's using is IMO not possible, definitely not proven, and instead of questioning the claim and approaching the product w/ a critical eye, educated women w/ access to incredible amts of research from this and other boards are falling all over themselves to buy her out and will be sitting ducks for her other 2 products to come. the additional products have NO ingredients listed. This is madness.

Before anyone else calls me out for not knocking something i haven't tried, pls first ask yourself why you're so eager to follow so uncritically.

 

[iri9109]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

she needs to use some of that money and upgrade her website...it looks so ghetto and unprofessional, idc how the reviews were, if i went to her site to order and saw that mess i would click the [X]...she even has typos on there...it just doesn't look reputable.

 

[*Frisky*]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

she needs to use some of that money and upgrade her website...it looks so ghetto and unprofessional, idc how the reviews were, if i went to her site to order and saw that mess i would click the [X]...she even has typos on there...it just doesn't look reputable.

Yes this is another thing. I know when you are first starting out you may not have a whole lot of money to spend on creating your website but there are several hosting sites that don't charge an arm and leg that offer decent templates etc.

I was just on Hairlista reading some comments and I didn't know the bald man was her dad!

Has she ever said what her hair type is or showed it wet? Her hair still looks relaxed or at least texlaxed to me especially if she saying she's not using any heat to get it straight like that and combing through airdried hair the way she does usually results in some breakage.

 

[lilyofthenile]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

@KumakoXsd awwww, don't take it so hard. i'm glad @reeko43 was on the board and able to respond before i did because she handled it beautifully; identifying where Valerie is dead wrong while not disparaging her clients (or just believers in your case since you hadn't purchased anything).

but as your comment was directed at me i should say something (less eloquently of course). so here goes:

i was purposely not linking to the existing thread and purposely didn't quote you direct because i didn't want to specifically call anyone out. pls understand tho that my comment was more about the blind faith everyone is putting into this 'potion' by making excuses when it doesn't work the way it's being advertised.

I'm sorry, but if you are using something on your head that you know is causing excessive shedding, the completely non-scientific response you received is just not OK. if you are experiencing more than normal shedding stop what you're using and reassess -- it doesn't mean the product is working really well.

the blind faith based on lack of evidence is problematic. luckily you made your own mix so you know exactly what was in it and the proportions used so it will be easier for you to confirm what the problem might be, but consider how dangerous that kind of advice could be for another person reading the board (lurking) w/ the same problem who had actually purchased the product. her mind would be put at ease and she would continue to use something that was actually harming her.

it deeply troubles me how quickly that thread grew and how supportive women are being based on NO EVIDENCE of valerie's claims. once again, as i've said a few times, if she is being honest about what she puts in her product then there's nothing 'wrong' w/ it and many people will likely see 'some' amt of growth just by virtue of them adopting a consistent regimen of oiling their hair and stimulating their follicles. But the fact remains that 3-in-7 based on the combination of ingredients she's using is IMO not possible, definitely not proven, and instead of questioning the claim and approaching the product w/ a critical eye, educated women w/ access to incredible amts of research from this and other boards are falling all over themselves to buy her out and will be sitting ducks for her other 2 products to come. the additional products have NO ingredients listed. This is madness.

Before anyone else calls me out for not knocking something i haven't tried, pls first ask yourself why you're so eager to follow so uncritically.

Thank you. I really appreciate your response. I was just hurt because I felt I was being made fun of when you and the other ladies who agreed with you could have come to me straight away and talked to me about it.

You've raised some very valid points which I do agree with.

I never jumped on the bandwagon. I was very skeptical at first and I still am about the 3 inches in 7 weeks. I didn't go into this expecting three inches at the end of seven weeks. I wanted to see some growth that I would be happy with. I struggled growing even an inch of hair in months because of my medication which I'm happy to report I'm completely off.

Valerie's lack of results and lack of consistency when 'measuring' her hair growth and the dodging of questions regarding her hair, is something that made me feel that she had an ulterior motive; to make money and lots of it.

But the women elsewhere who had good results were the ones who made me think I had nothing to lose and the thing is, I don't. I made my own with the things I already had. I would never purchase from Valerie because 1) I don't know what she puts in it and 2) she isn't licensed, regulated, etc.

Regarding the shedding, I have looked around about it and a lot of people experience shedding with topical growth aids. I have also thought about, what if it isn't because it's growing but what if it is because there's something very wrong?

And if it is very wrong, I can pick myself up and move on from that, just with any other setback I have had in life.

I did sit back and reassess, I've changed a few things in my regimen (to help retain any length I get) and I'm just hoping that it will make a difference. But my whole experience with this potion, is that I plan on quitting entirely when I've finished with it. I just want to carry on with my hair regimen and just let hair growth be and focus on health of hair.

I understand your and the other ladies' concerns regarding Valerie's antics and products because I myself am too. But if one wants to spend $70 on oil...

 

[mEmYSELFaNDj]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

^^ Hold on Hold on!! The Potion costs $70??!! WTF you've got to be kidding me right. What size does a person get for that, a gallon I hope. OMG I just can't believe people are paying that much.

 

[greenandchic]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

^^ Hold on Hold on!! The Potion costs $70??!! WTF you've got to be kidding me right. What size does a person get for that, a gallon I hope. OMG I just can't believe people are paying that much.

I know, right?! Just buy a bottle of castor oil and call it a day!

 

[EllePixie]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Amen! Oh and by the way, I am drooling looking at that gif! Ok, back to reality reeko, lol!

I know right??? I keep looking at it like

 

[Myjourney2009]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

^^ Hold on Hold on!! The Potion costs $70??!! WTF you've got to be kidding me right. What size does a person get for that, a gallon I hope. OMG I just can't believe people are paying that much.

32 ozs!!!!!

 

[OsnapCnapp!]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

$124, though?!?!?!?!!!

I need to get into this youtube game, seriously. I could use a job...

eta: I was looking at the international part. Still, though, dang.

The 4 oz is now 17.95 whoa! I paid 5.95 for it but that was in the beginning, I can't believe that!!!

 

[Jewell]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

^^^Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing.... what does buck-shot mean and why is it so offensive?

A buckshot is a pellet (usually made of lead) that comes out of a shotgun cartridge when fired. Usually up to 12 buckshots (tiny pellets) can come out of one single shotgun or .410 caliber cartridge or round. In your average cartridge, you have a lead slug (solid rounded piece of metal) that sits underneath or behind the buckshots or pellets.

When the handgun or rifle is fired, they all shoot out of the barrel at once toward the target, which is why damage from a shotgun (pellets and a slug) is much worse than one single projectile bullet from a handgun.

Buckshots have been said to resemble the coiling and curling highly-textured black hair is known to do, esp. in the "kitchen" or nape area.

A buckshot looks like a BB from a BB gun. That is why the term is derogatory. It is in essence saying that buckshots are naps, and naps are bad. I guess that is what the old lady on YT was saying by making such a stupid comment.

Remember Martin Lawrence on "Martin" (tv comedy show) telling Pam (Tichina Arnold) about her "beedee bees?" well same thing...its relegating the texture of black hair to buckshots or BB pellets. Still I think its wrong to say, just like the word "nappy."

As for the OP: I would NOT spend $ on this lady's stuff, or anyone else's stuff who isn't transparent with the ingredients and results. And, I can make my own oil for much less than what I hear in this thread she is charging.

Karma is no joke so I really hope she isn't ripping ppl off, otherwise she might just wake up one morning with all her hair on her pillow (not wishing that on her, but the universe has a way of paying dirt back, if that is indeed what is being done here by this woman).

 

[Poohbear]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Thanks ladies for the definition of a buck-shot. Now I understand why people got upset with her statement.

Wow, just wow! So I guess the "Hairdrenalin Potion Guru" did a length check video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-W-OFAuuTE&feature=channel_video_title

I didn't see a drastic change in her hair length from 6/14 to 7/14. erplexed

 

[manter26]

Re: "Don't be mad cause ya'll have BUCK-SHOTS and can't afford to buy or make the Pot

Ok I am just gonna say it...whoever is paying this kind of money for something they really have no clue as to what is really in it, is not very smart. Now, I am not doubting the so called ingredients will not promote hair growth but come on yall, this board is full of very intelligent women that can make this stuff themselves and know for a fact what's in it. Another thing that concerns me is that did Valerie go through all the business channels before she decided to sell her products? Some states you have to have business license, trade name registration, insurance, following FDA laws etc. If she doesn't have all that stuff in place, she is not very smart either. Maybe she does but it seems like she got the ball rolling real quick on this and it takes sometimes 30 to 45 days to get your paperwork back unless like someone else said, she already had it in the works to market her products but acted like she didn't. If she doesn't have liability insurance and someone decides to sue her, it's a wrap. She really needs to provide more proof especially if she is actually using the phrase "grow 3 inches in 7 weeks". As far as the buckshot comment, once you crossover to the business side of things you need to practice more professionalism no matter what the situation is. It is a given that skeptism is going to come from everywhere when dealing with stuff like this and you have to refrain from saying something you might regret.

There are no labels on the bottles...I think that should answer the bolded for you...erplexed