chicamorena
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The phytorelaxer sound really good and I'm curious about its pH. Either formula will do.
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Does anybody know the pH of the Phytorelaxer?
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sassygirl125
Professional PJ
There is a BHSGO Sub-Club transcript floating around that says that both formulas have a pH of 9-12.
MonaLisa
Well-Known Member
http://www.phytospecific.com/PhytoSpecific_TechnicalCare.html (for more PhytoSpecific relaxer info)
I believe I saw that same Ph range Sassy spoke of /images/graemlins/smile.gif
I believe I saw that same Ph range Sassy spoke of /images/graemlins/smile.gif
KAddy
New Member
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MonaLisa said:
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KAddy said:
Hey Phyto Pusha here. The index is 11.5 to 12.5 for both. This is a fact. I called the company.
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Oh snaps! It is? I don't care. Still getting it.
I knew da pusha was gonna swoop down at some point.
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You know me. I see Phyto anything and I'm there.
I too was surprised at the Ph levels. I guess that may be a reason why their shampoos and conditioners have such low ph levels
MonaLisa said:
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KAddy said:
Hey Phyto Pusha here. The index is 11.5 to 12.5 for both. This is a fact. I called the company.
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Oh snaps! It is? I don't care. Still getting it.
I knew da pusha was gonna swoop down at some point.
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You know me. I see Phyto anything and I'm there.
I too was surprised at the Ph levels. I guess that may be a reason why their shampoos and conditioners have such low ph levels
sengschick
The Bun Master
I think the pH on the Index 1 (mild) is 9. It was tested by an external agency it was in the thread Sassy is mentioning. How is it possible that both mild and regular have the same pH anyway??? And I don't understand the range either. It either is or isn't, right /images/graemlins/look.gif ?
KAddy
New Member
OK I am on the phone with the lady and she says it is 11.5 to 12.5. I ask is one 11.5 and the other 12.5, she says no. It is a range. I ask why is it a range, does it depend on the hair? She put me on hold.
She comes back after talking to someone who knew more and says that it is difficult to determine the exact ph level which is why it is a range. She says the strength (index) depends on the inductor and your hair.
I remember seeing a while ago the list of PH levels for relaxers too, but I don't remember seeing one of PhytoRelaxer. I think that conducting several different tests to determine ph level may be why they (Phyto company) has a range as most of the time (this is my opinion) they must have had ph levels in the range I was told.
She comes back after talking to someone who knew more and says that it is difficult to determine the exact ph level which is why it is a range. She says the strength (index) depends on the inductor and your hair.
I remember seeing a while ago the list of PH levels for relaxers too, but I don't remember seeing one of PhytoRelaxer. I think that conducting several different tests to determine ph level may be why they (Phyto company) has a range as most of the time (this is my opinion) they must have had ph levels in the range I was told.
sengschick
The Bun Master
Okay, I'm still confused. I'm just talking this out Kaddy, not at all directing my doubt towards you in a personal way. /images/graemlins/kiss.gif I appreciate you calling and seeking further clarity.
The inductor has to be of differing strengths b/c the ingredients are the same for both products. So the inductor has to be weaker on the Index 1 otherwise they'd just have one formulation. And this part about depending on your hair /images/graemlins/huh.gif . The pH of your hair may differ from anothers, but they should be able to determine the pH of their own product when mixed and before application. How is that variable? Everyone else can make this determination. But really, I'm stuck on the same issue, how could both indexes be exactly the same??
Re: the list
There are a few threads, one doesn't have Phyto but the other does. It's really old, its from the BHSGO Subgroup as Sassy stated.
The inductor has to be of differing strengths b/c the ingredients are the same for both products. So the inductor has to be weaker on the Index 1 otherwise they'd just have one formulation. And this part about depending on your hair /images/graemlins/huh.gif . The pH of your hair may differ from anothers, but they should be able to determine the pH of their own product when mixed and before application. How is that variable? Everyone else can make this determination. But really, I'm stuck on the same issue, how could both indexes be exactly the same??
Re: the list
There are a few threads, one doesn't have Phyto but the other does. It's really old, its from the BHSGO Subgroup as Sassy stated.
KAddy
New Member
Hey sengs, I don't take it personal so no need for the disclaimer, I understand your confusion. I told the girl on the phone I was confused too. She probably was confused too becuase she put me on hold to find out /images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Girl, I have no clue, but it doesn't matter as I will continue to use it.
Honeyhips,
Some ladies are concerned with ph levels as (I believe) the higher the level the harsher. Here is some information I found on ph levels and relaxers:
Usually hair Damage is a result of incorrect chemical use or excessive use of heat implements. Our hair is a well balanced part of our bodies. It Secretes the natural oil known as Sebum to maintain our moisture balance. But as soon as we introduce products with too high a pH balance we start to loose the needed moisture. What is pH and how does it affect my Hair? We hear the term pH all the time, a simple definition is it is a form of measuring a substance for levels of Acid or Alkaline. The scale is from 0 (strongly Acidic) to 14 (Strongly Alkaline) with 7 representing neutrality. So when most products say they are pH balanced they are a value of 7 on the pH scale. This represents the majority of shampoos you buy at grocery stores.
Is over the counter "pH Balance" necessarily good for your hair? No, not necessarily, a proper level for human hair, what's called the pH Mantle, should actually be between 4.5-5.5 on the pH scale. If it ranges any higher than this, it becomes too close to alkalinity, which will tend to dry hair out, because alkaline strips sebum.
Found here: http://www.hairhealth.com/all_about_hair.htm
Sodium hydroxide relaxer: The strongest formulation contains sodium hydroxide, a powerful chemical known as an alkaline caustic. The percentage of sodium hydroxide will vary depending on the strength of the relaxing solution (they come in mild to strong, depending on the texture of the hair to be treated). As with all alkalies, the higher the pH levels, the stronger the chemical. Hair relaxers generally have pHs ranging from 10 to 14. The higher the pH, the faster your hair will straighten.
Guanidine hydroxide relaxer: These relaxers are commonly known as a “no lye” relaxer -- a term which refers to the absence of sodium hydroxide in the formulation. While guanidine essentially works the same way, it takes two steps to create the proper formulation. The no-lye perm works by combining calcium hydroxide (an alkali created from lime and water) with an “activator” solution of guanidine carbonate -- another alkali. The result is a chemical cocktail thought to be slightly less damaging than a traditional sodium hydroxide relaxer with lower pH levels.
found: http://beauty.ivillage.com/hn/hnreports/...a=adid=12505895
Perms & Relaxers
If you care for your relaxer or perm, it will work well for you. There is such a thing as having healthy strong relaxed hair. Perms and relaxers require special attention.
Even though relaxers break down the strands during the process, your hair can also be built back up and strengthen again.
Favorites: Motions, Affirm, Design Essentials.
LYE RELAXER perform much better than NO LYE Relaxers.
Relaxers: soften and make hair more manageable to straighten coarse or un manegable hair.
Texturizers: make hair more manageble but in a milders form and give the hair a strong look and feel of its texture ...let's say leaving the chemicals on in less time than a relaxer.
A Perm: Is to tames the hair permanetly by getting the effects of waves, body, or curls.
*Have a professional do all your chemical work. When choosing a relaxer, apply ones that encourages moisture. Keep your hair deep conditioned. Since my Lye relaxer encourages professional use only, I wouldn't suggest you apply this relaxer without a professional. I apply this perm very similar to the perms that are sold in small tubs and boxes at other retails stores other than Beauty supply stores.
When you apply the relaxers, you can not apply it the the old growth, no matter how strong your hair is, it will break down your hair excessively and it will break off excessively. You must also use the proper steps when applying or your hair will be damaged.
Tip: Three days after you apply your relaxer, wash your hair with a clarifying shampoo or a silicone shampoo, then deep condition. Do you notice after applying a relaxer and after you've styled your hair that there is a slight build up that's left even though all the perm has been shampooed out? This is what dries your hair out. Wait at least three days to re-shampoo so that you won't wash out all your oils.
No-Lye Relaxers
These are formulated wih Guanidine hydroxide to straigthen the hair. They have a pH of 9-9.5. Which is higher than your hair pH is supposed to be. Your hair should have a pH of 4.5-5.5 Another chemical base name for no-lye relaxers is thioglycolate-based formulations. Many believe that no-lye relaxers are less harsh on the hair, but they seem to be more drying to the hair than lye relaxers. If you have a no-lye relaxer that seems dry, you can still get your relaxer to the proper pH level where it's healthy. On a regular basis, deep conditioning your hair once every week or once every two weeks. Eat the most nutritious foods, add vitamins to your diet, and handle your hair differently.
If for some reason your no-lye relaxer is still shedding or feels like straw, no matter what you do, there is no need to have a no-lye relaxer. Grow your hair out to have the old relaxer clipped out. Wear a natural, or press n curl. I used to wear no-lye relaxers for years and they only made my hair worst. There is supposed to have been one reputable no-lye relaxer that doesn't break your hair off, but I don't know if it's true because I used just about all of them over the years and stopped using them in 1993. Then I put a natural relaxer in that took my hair out from the roots. If your no-lye relaxer is working for you, keep the Abba moisture scentsations in mind, infusium23, clarifying shampoo, and cholesterol. If it's not working for you, it would not be a good thing to put in braid extensions to grow your hair with a no-lye relaxer.
Lye Relaxers/Perms
These are formulated with Sodium hydroxide. They are also refered to as 'alkali relaxers'. The pH levels are higher than no-lye relaxers. the pH is of 12-14, which is high. With both lye and no-lye relaxers, the hair must stay deep conditioned to get the hair back to a normal ph level. When you apply the relaxers, you can not apply it the the old growth, no matter how strong your hair is, it will break down your hair excessively and it will break off and shed excessively. You must also use the proper steps when applying or your hair will be damaged. I recommend lye relaxers be done by a professional. I do my own relaxers sometimes but every one can't do their own.
Found here: http://www.growafrohairlong.com/perms.html
Girl, I have no clue, but it doesn't matter as I will continue to use it.
Honeyhips,
Some ladies are concerned with ph levels as (I believe) the higher the level the harsher. Here is some information I found on ph levels and relaxers:
Usually hair Damage is a result of incorrect chemical use or excessive use of heat implements. Our hair is a well balanced part of our bodies. It Secretes the natural oil known as Sebum to maintain our moisture balance. But as soon as we introduce products with too high a pH balance we start to loose the needed moisture. What is pH and how does it affect my Hair? We hear the term pH all the time, a simple definition is it is a form of measuring a substance for levels of Acid or Alkaline. The scale is from 0 (strongly Acidic) to 14 (Strongly Alkaline) with 7 representing neutrality. So when most products say they are pH balanced they are a value of 7 on the pH scale. This represents the majority of shampoos you buy at grocery stores.
Is over the counter "pH Balance" necessarily good for your hair? No, not necessarily, a proper level for human hair, what's called the pH Mantle, should actually be between 4.5-5.5 on the pH scale. If it ranges any higher than this, it becomes too close to alkalinity, which will tend to dry hair out, because alkaline strips sebum.
Found here: http://www.hairhealth.com/all_about_hair.htm
Sodium hydroxide relaxer: The strongest formulation contains sodium hydroxide, a powerful chemical known as an alkaline caustic. The percentage of sodium hydroxide will vary depending on the strength of the relaxing solution (they come in mild to strong, depending on the texture of the hair to be treated). As with all alkalies, the higher the pH levels, the stronger the chemical. Hair relaxers generally have pHs ranging from 10 to 14. The higher the pH, the faster your hair will straighten.
Guanidine hydroxide relaxer: These relaxers are commonly known as a “no lye” relaxer -- a term which refers to the absence of sodium hydroxide in the formulation. While guanidine essentially works the same way, it takes two steps to create the proper formulation. The no-lye perm works by combining calcium hydroxide (an alkali created from lime and water) with an “activator” solution of guanidine carbonate -- another alkali. The result is a chemical cocktail thought to be slightly less damaging than a traditional sodium hydroxide relaxer with lower pH levels.
found: http://beauty.ivillage.com/hn/hnreports/...a=adid=12505895
Perms & Relaxers
If you care for your relaxer or perm, it will work well for you. There is such a thing as having healthy strong relaxed hair. Perms and relaxers require special attention.
Even though relaxers break down the strands during the process, your hair can also be built back up and strengthen again.
Favorites: Motions, Affirm, Design Essentials.
LYE RELAXER perform much better than NO LYE Relaxers.
Relaxers: soften and make hair more manageable to straighten coarse or un manegable hair.
Texturizers: make hair more manageble but in a milders form and give the hair a strong look and feel of its texture ...let's say leaving the chemicals on in less time than a relaxer.
A Perm: Is to tames the hair permanetly by getting the effects of waves, body, or curls.
*Have a professional do all your chemical work. When choosing a relaxer, apply ones that encourages moisture. Keep your hair deep conditioned. Since my Lye relaxer encourages professional use only, I wouldn't suggest you apply this relaxer without a professional. I apply this perm very similar to the perms that are sold in small tubs and boxes at other retails stores other than Beauty supply stores.
When you apply the relaxers, you can not apply it the the old growth, no matter how strong your hair is, it will break down your hair excessively and it will break off excessively. You must also use the proper steps when applying or your hair will be damaged.
Tip: Three days after you apply your relaxer, wash your hair with a clarifying shampoo or a silicone shampoo, then deep condition. Do you notice after applying a relaxer and after you've styled your hair that there is a slight build up that's left even though all the perm has been shampooed out? This is what dries your hair out. Wait at least three days to re-shampoo so that you won't wash out all your oils.
No-Lye Relaxers
These are formulated wih Guanidine hydroxide to straigthen the hair. They have a pH of 9-9.5. Which is higher than your hair pH is supposed to be. Your hair should have a pH of 4.5-5.5 Another chemical base name for no-lye relaxers is thioglycolate-based formulations. Many believe that no-lye relaxers are less harsh on the hair, but they seem to be more drying to the hair than lye relaxers. If you have a no-lye relaxer that seems dry, you can still get your relaxer to the proper pH level where it's healthy. On a regular basis, deep conditioning your hair once every week or once every two weeks. Eat the most nutritious foods, add vitamins to your diet, and handle your hair differently.
If for some reason your no-lye relaxer is still shedding or feels like straw, no matter what you do, there is no need to have a no-lye relaxer. Grow your hair out to have the old relaxer clipped out. Wear a natural, or press n curl. I used to wear no-lye relaxers for years and they only made my hair worst. There is supposed to have been one reputable no-lye relaxer that doesn't break your hair off, but I don't know if it's true because I used just about all of them over the years and stopped using them in 1993. Then I put a natural relaxer in that took my hair out from the roots. If your no-lye relaxer is working for you, keep the Abba moisture scentsations in mind, infusium23, clarifying shampoo, and cholesterol. If it's not working for you, it would not be a good thing to put in braid extensions to grow your hair with a no-lye relaxer.
Lye Relaxers/Perms
These are formulated with Sodium hydroxide. They are also refered to as 'alkali relaxers'. The pH levels are higher than no-lye relaxers. the pH is of 12-14, which is high. With both lye and no-lye relaxers, the hair must stay deep conditioned to get the hair back to a normal ph level. When you apply the relaxers, you can not apply it the the old growth, no matter how strong your hair is, it will break down your hair excessively and it will break off and shed excessively. You must also use the proper steps when applying or your hair will be damaged. I recommend lye relaxers be done by a professional. I do my own relaxers sometimes but every one can't do their own.
Found here: http://www.growafrohairlong.com/perms.html
Dare~to~Dream
Well-Known Member
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sassygirl125 said:
There is a BHSGO Sub-Club transcript floating around that says that both formulas have a pH of 9-12.
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Is this the same transcript from the "Catalyst for your Obsession" thread? Or is there another one? I've been trying to access the Blackhairsupergrowout archives for a while now but they can't be found /images/graemlins/frown.gif.
sassygirl125 said:
There is a BHSGO Sub-Club transcript floating around that says that both formulas have a pH of 9-12.
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Is this the same transcript from the "Catalyst for your Obsession" thread? Or is there another one? I've been trying to access the Blackhairsupergrowout archives for a while now but they can't be found /images/graemlins/frown.gif.
